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Wednesday January 29 00:12:22 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> A couple of years ago by chance I read a description of
> the scene so I knew it was from Vegas, and picked it up
> recently in a trade. Turned out to be a great lengthy
> scene.

Hope I could find my holy grail. I'm lookng for the episode of Falcon Crest where the guest, Laurel Schaefer, is tied up and gagged by kids.

*Sigh!* Hope someone has a complete schene of this. Do let me know guys.
Cris
crisostomoibarra@hotmail.com
Wednesday January 29 00:18:58 2003
Daredevil, X-Men 2
From quick preview, perhaps there will be DID scenes on the 2 new movies (suspension)
Wednesday January 29 00:32:32 2003
Ramblings
Just a couple of thoughts on some shows that are apparently aggravating folks (me included, at times)...

1) Buffy- Even money, the show's gone after this year. No word yet on Gellar re-upping and they've pretty much set the stage for her to move on. I think what we've got is all there's gonna be.

2) Fastlane- This show will deliver...SOMETHING. Probably not Tiffani Thiessen, but hell, I would've been happy to have something with Jaime Pressley a couple of weeks ago. Something's gonna happen and I guarantee it'll be a guest. Not that I'll be disappointed if I'm wrong...

3) Charmed- something worth noting: all three have been B&G before, and all three have been nude before (or at least topless, in HM Combs' case). Bummer that it wasn't both at the same time.

4) Crossing Jordan- I wouldn't expect much from next week; from the synopsis it sounds more like an hour-long discussion of a bunch of cases while they're at a bar. It'd be nice to have Jill Hennessy NOT look like crud for once, though.

5) Cancellations- I'm betting all of the above and Angel will be gone by the end of the season, clearing the way for more heartwarming muck or worse, more reality series.
DAK
Wednesday January 29 01:10:01 2003
Re: Ramblings
> 1) Buffy- Even money, the show's gone after this year. No
> word yet on Gellar re-upping and they've pretty much set
> the stage for her to move on. I think what we've got is
> all there's gonna be.

Actually, Les Moonves (CBS/UPN President) said at the recent midseason press tour that while he didn't expect Sarah Michelle Gellar to return to the show, he DOES think that the show will be back in the form of a spinoff. In the past both Eliza Dushku (Faith) and Michelle Trachtenberg (Dawn) have been mentioned as possible candidates to take over the vampire slaying reigns.

> 5) Cancellations- I'm betting all of the above and Angel
> will be gone by the end of the season, clearing the way
> for more heartwarming muck or worse, more reality series.

Even if the WB cancels "Angel" the show has a two year guaranteed pick up from UPN. That was part of the deal that brought "Buffy" to UPN two years ago.
CM
Wednesday January 29 01:16:24 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> > The Western Channel (Encore Westerns) has picked up
> > "Alias Smith and Jones".
>
> Yeehaw! Thanks CM. Where did you read this? I couldn't
> find anything on Encore Westerns website.

Read that on the "Broadcasting and Cable" website a few days ago. That show as well as "Young Hercules" and "Weird Science" were part of a larger movie package that the Starz Networks made with Universal. No air date has been announced. Since the deal just happened, don't be surprised if it takes a couple of months before this stuff gets on the air.
CM
Wednesday January 29 01:37:57 2003
Re: Mornad's Post- Canadian VCR Alerts
> > I
> > may never get to take advantage of one of his alerts,

>
> I hope everyone realises here?,
> the Canadian Alerts are posted for everyone here. Fellas
> in US greatly outnumber Canadians using them.
>
> Try to get as many shows taped for passing around as I
> can. That, and the DiDcap/clip sites have assisted
> greatly in letting everyone interested see the scenes.
> Bindher has been incredible about posting them, same
> Anubis, Biff, Fuzz & Frank.
>
> So even if can't receive Canadian channels, everyone
> interested should be able to make some use of the alerts.

I can vouch for Jay on this. We've been trading partners for over a year now, and he sends a ton of Canadian alert material down my way. He asked me to mention here that a lot of this stuff is available for trade. So if something pops on the Canadian alerts, chances are Jay has taped it and passed it along to me. Anyone interested in trading for Canadian scenes with me can simply let Jay know and we can arrange trades from there.

I won't say anything more about it here, since this isn't the trade page. I just wanted to help Jay L point out that Canadian alerts are not exactly "useless" or unavailable to U.S. collectors.




KEVIN
Wednesday January 29 01:43:24 2003
Re: Sitcoms
> > I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see?

Going back a bit, but I would love to have seen Pam Dawber gagged on Mork and Mindy.
Gaz
Wednesday January 29 02:38:40 2003
Re: Ramblings
> Just a couple of thoughts on some shows that are
> apparently aggravating folks (me included, at times)...
>
> 1) Buffy- Even money, the show's gone after this year. No
> word yet on Gellar re-upping and they've pretty much set
> the stage for her to move on. I think what we've got is
> all there's gonna be.

Trachtenberg appears to gaining a large following, and because it's UPN what do they have to lose by keeping it going. I wouldn't expect the regulars, especially Alyson Hannigan, to stick around. She should have little trouble getting roles.
>
> 2) Fastlane- This show will deliver...SOMETHING. Probably
> not Tiffani Thiessen, but hell, I would've been happy to
> have something with Jaime Pressley a couple of weeks ago.
> Something's gonna happen and I guarantee it'll be a
> guest. Not that I'll be disappointed if I'm wrong...

Ratings are in a nosedive and rightly so. But maybe a late push as they seek a renewal, similar to the "Dark Angel" push late last year, which was nice but eventually failed.
>
> 3) Charmed- something worth noting: all three have been
> B&G before, and all three have been nude before (or at
> least topless, in HM Combs' case). Bummer that it wasn't
> both at the same time.

Nothing left to say on this show, except it's worthless. One of those cases where I really hope I'm wrong.
>
> 5) Cancellations- I'm betting all of the above and Angel
> will be gone by the end of the season, clearing the way
> for more heartwarming muck or worse, more reality series.

"Crossing Jordan" is a lock to be back. The show's ratings have soared the last month (don't ask me how). Last week it placed in the top 25. It's back.

"Charmed" is in the second year of a 3-year renewal for the WB. So it's likely next season will be its last. Despite the hype this show gets (TV Guide covers, etc.) its ratings are atrocious. It barely scores over a 3.1 and never places in the top 90 shows. To compare, "Birds of Prey" averaged around a 2.5 and was canceled. Not much difference.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 29 02:46:15 2003
Re: Dragnet 1969
> At last! I have finally taped a personal holy grail of
> mine.

Argh! I had to be somewhere on Monday and didn't set my VCR, since I saw the earlier postings about it being the comedy version of "Dragnet"- I even checked the local TV listings on Sunday just to be sure, and it listed the comedy version for that time. Patience. :)
PRW
Wednesday January 29 02:54:54 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?
> > Who is the *ULTIMATE* one-that-got-away?
> > AUDREY HEPBURN ...or... JULIE ANDREWS?
> > Discuss. :-)

I like them both, but I would enjoy seeing something from Julie Andrews. Hey, she's still with us, and you never know. Apparently someone was b&g very briefly during an episode of her very short-lived sitcom.

> For me, neither. Probably Lauren Bacall (I personally
> don't count "hand gags").

Another good choice. "You just put your lips together and. . ." :)

PRW
Wednesday January 29 03:01:23 2003
Re: Sitcoms
> Going back a bit, but I would love to have seen Pam
> Dawber gagged on Mork and Mindy.

Hear, hear! She was quite attractive & I remember hoping for a scene while watching that show. There was one episode where she was "captured" and locked in a dungeon, but IIRC, not chained up or anything like that. She did get briefly tied up in "The girl, the gold watch, and everything", but without a gag.

PRW
Wednesday January 29 07:44:36 2003
Re: Ramblings
> > 2) Fastlane- This show will deliver...SOMETHING.
> > I would've been happy to
> > have something with Jaime Pressley a couple of weeks ago.

I think it's unlikely that Fastlane will deliver, and that if it does deliver, it won't be very good. Fastlane feels a lot like Chromiumblue on cable -- the Playboy approach to sexy imagery, very fast paced, very glitzy, very superficial everybody looks like a model, nobody's interesting -- and nobody's interested in bondage.

I would also point out that Thiessen and Pressly lip locking in a hot tub would definitely constitute "something" though admittedly not bondage.

> Despite the hype this show gets (TV Guide covers, etc.)
> its ratings are atrocious. It barely scores over a 3.1
> and never places in the top 90 shows.

The folks over on the "Charmed" board who track the ratings are saying that the ratins this season are the best ever for the show, part of a general improvement in ratings for the WB's Sunday night lineup. It's not a LARGE increase in ratings over the previous season, but it's a definite increase. So I dunno if it's likely to go away if its ratings maintain, low as they are compared to the networks in general.

Then again, with reality TV doing so well in the ratings, every drama is in jeopardy to some extent.
Pat Powers
Wednesday January 29 07:53:05 2003
Christine Baranski likes to be tied
I read a quote from, Christine Baranski, probably best known for her co-starring role on "Cybill," in which she said she really likes being tied. Specifically, she said of one of her movie roles (X-men?), "They spent a lot of time on the shoot tying me into this harness -- it was very naughty, very sexy, and I loved every second of it." That was from the recent issue of Entertainment Weekly with Rebecca Romijn Stamos on the cover in her Mystique gear.
Pat Powers
Wednesday January 29 08:15:18 2003
VR - Dead Actress
>Got away

On recent BBC Clickonline, they feature Virtual Reality / small wearable devices that can be scanned by computer (real time) for creating dynamic 3D games or movies.

Perhaps someday they can use the device with a living actress and combined it with the face of deceased actress to create new movies.
Wednesday January 29 08:43:16 2003
BoP wasn't sexy
I have to take issue with the notion that BoP was sexy. Sure, the show's ads and promos PROMISED sexy, but on the show itself, everybody wore a lot of clothing. I mean, they had Huntress writhing aound half naked in a slip on the promos, then on the show she wears street clothes and a big cape/jacket so you could barely see her.

That's why the show tanked, it promised sexy but didn't deliver. With movies you can do that, which is why you get so many videos with bondage on the box cover but nowhere else. They're only looking for the one rental from each customer. But with TV, a sexy ad or promo might make people check a show out, but once they figure out they're being hosed, they stop watching and the ratings tank.

Which is EXACTLY what happened to BoP. High ratings first ep, tanking steadily thereafter.
Pat Powers
Wednesday January 29 08:51:44 2003
Bold & Beautiful
I'm looking for pics of Maggie from The Bold And The Beautiful from old episodes. She was kidnapped by a security guard and tied and gagged to chair wearing a pink shirt and a blue suit. If anyone has any pics, send an email at hobwuzzle@hotmail.com but send the pics. Send the web address of where I can find the pics. If you don't have any, then tell me a website where I can find them.
hobwuzzle@hotmail.com
Wednesday January 29 09:08:32 2003
Re: BoP wasn't sexy
You know,when "Birds of Prey" first debuted,I figured it would be Rachel Skarsten (who,by the way,seemed to get more attractive and appealing with each episode),the young and inexperienced heroine,who would be KOed and/or put in DID-type scenes. Instead it was the Huntress who got KOed and captured. Did any one else here feel it should have been the other way around--with the Huntress having to rescue the poor little bound and KOed Canary-in-training?
Wednesday January 29 09:19:17 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else
> have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see?

=======

No question: DEBRA MESSING!!!

I have a "Wacky Catburglar" script for *Will & Grace* all mapped out in my head. Catburgler burgles apartment not knowing Grace (Messing) is home (in her pajamas.) He ties her up & they have a nice talk while he ransacks the place. Burglar is convinced Grace is holding out on him & tickles her bare feet. The phone rings. Burglar hand gags Grace then holds phone for her so she can talk. It's Will. Grace tries to cue Will in to situation but he's self absorbed in petty problems. Burglar tricks Grace into getting Will to tell where his coin collection is hidden. Burglar gags Grace before leaving. Grace tries to use phone but fails. Hops around looking for escape/release (very comical & slapstick.) Makes it into hall (still B&G'd) & hops from door to door, thumping with her head & m'mmpfhing for help. Her neighbors ignore her. Finally she hops into the elevator (still B&G'd) & is carried down to the busy lobby. Hilarity ensues. :-)
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1751/DebraMessi_Ausse_733221_400.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
Wednesday January 29 12:18:22 2003
Re: Dragnet 1969
> >
>
> Argh! I had to be somewhere on Monday and didn't set my
> VCR, since I saw the earlier postings about it being the
> comedy version of "Dragnet"

You're in luck. It repeats next month on AMC on Wednesday, Feb. 19 at 8:50 a.m. CST.


KEVIN
Wednesday January 29 13:22:07 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
>
> No question: DEBRA MESSING!!!
>
Everything about her scene in "Prey" was excellent: sexy clothes, tied with rope, gagged with tape, closeups, great facial expressions. Your "Grace" script would be nice, but that "Prey" scene is good enough for me.

As for sitcom stars, the best chance is for some to break off to movie of the weeks after their shows end, like Tracey Gold, Megan Gallagher, etc. Patricia Heaton is likely headed there after "Raymond" ends.
bRIAN w.
Wednesday January 29 13:24:32 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> > What exactly makes something a Holy Grail?
>
> From my long dormant site: A "Holy Grail" describes a
> scene that greatly affected you when you were young, and
> that you have searched for over the years.

I believe the most important points of Jacot's list are
No. 2.: It simply has to be your favourite kind of bondage, whatever that may be.
And 6. Typically you have seen it only once, without being able to record it (not necessariliy when you were young), and I agree that you must have been looking or waiting for it some time. It's the same as with a classic movie - it takes a while to become one.

They are certainly rarer these
> days than in the pre-VCR, pre-Internet days.

I disagree regarding the Internet. A few years ago, I simply did not know how many excellent scenes were out there, or where to look for them. I have a list of - well, maybe not Holy Grails, - but MWS (Most Wanted Scenes :-). Many of these scenes made it to this list based on information I gathered on the web: Posts, Vidcaps, Vidclips, Database Descriptions. Before the Internet age, my list was a lot shorter.
Peter de K
Wednesday January 29 14:41:23 2003
Re: Bold & Beautiful
> I'm looking for pics of Maggie from The Bold And The
> Beautiful from old episodes.

I found vidcaps of that scene from a web page about Barbara Crampton ("Maggie") some time ago. I e-mailed copies of the pictures to Rich McGill's site (Bindherupx.) They should be at that website. Or, I could e-mail copies of those pictures to you myself. It's up to you.

Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 15:01:46 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> >
> {Snip}... Your "Grace" script would be
> nice, but that "Prey" scene is good enough for me.

=======

Okay then... LAURA SAN GIACOMO!!! (*Just Shoot Me*)

Her *Quigley Down Under* "DiD-scene" was just a sad tease.
5'2", *killer* figure, feisty... Papa *like*!!!
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/1092/wi20010305_LauraSanGiacomo_Granitz_154870.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
Wednesday January 29 15:02:44 2003
Re: Holy Grails

> When I was a kid, I saw the commercial for Vegas "Mixed
> Blessing". >


> Anyway, that was my holy grail. I don't think any other
> scene will ever be that hard to find, so I wouldn't call them my grails. >>

I think the main point about "holy grail" is the "hard to find" factor.
For the longest time, the Brackens World episode with Karen Jensen - when she was kidnapped, b/g for the entire episode(AND SHOWN LIKE THAT!!) was one of mine. Luckily, I remembered the original airing (1969) pretty accurately, although I never expected to see the whole episode ever again. (I DO have those almost black/very hard to see segments from assorted videos), but goodguy Fuzz recently mailed me the complete episode (a fairly decent copy), which apparently DID get rerun some time after 1969.
Otherwise, old soap opera scenes - which will probably NEVER be rerun ever again, I think are the "holiest" of grails.
For now, I hope to someday see the complete/a decent copy of the De Frente Al Sol Spanish soap opera, which went on for weeks. Even though I have several copies, they are all of the mediocre to poor visual quality. These extended scenes are, to me, the greatest mainstream bondage scenes ever - the one that I would take over any other. For any of you who have never seen it, you don't know what you're missing.

no trekke
Wednesday January 29 15:22:19 2003
THE NEVADAN epilogue

Well, I taped from 530 to 6 this morning, or from the 40' to 70' marks, assuming the film started at 450, as listed ... and the sequence began after that. There's no entry in the DB ... I'll stick one in with the info about the potentially missing gagging, and give a broad scene time estimate.

My 65' notation may have been for an AMC airing back in the day ... before ads were as numerous (The movie was listed as having an 81' running time, but the starting time for the film after it was given as 635).
Biff
http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff
Wednesday January 29 15:31:56 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> Okay then... LAURA SAN GIACOMO!!! (*Just Shoot Me*)
>
> 5'2", *killer* figure, feisty...

And has seen better days

Wednesday January 29 15:44:57 2003
Holy Grails
I've always wondered what my true Holy Grail was in terms of the ONE scene or show that really made me stand up and take notice that my tastes were 'different' than other people's. the Collector is a book and I hated the movie, so I don't count that (and it was easy to find).

Another one is an ongoing story line that was on Santa Barbara (soap opera) where Cain kept Eden hostage in a mountain cabin trying to make him love her. I may have scene creep, but I like to remember that she was tied up for a good portion of it. Santa Barbara was good for sexually menacing plots.

but number one has to be The Equalizer guest starring Adam Ant as a white slave dealer. All I remember clearly is a little blonde girl wearing a white nightgown and chained to a bed with a black iron chain and an ankle shackle.

I reacted to that scene in completely the wrong way (for a thirteen or fourteen year old girl to react) and I've never been the same since.

I wonder how I could get a hold of that episode.
jessi
jarbabyj@yahoo.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jarbabyj
Wednesday January 29 16:05:39 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> For now, I hope to someday see the complete/a decent copy
> of the De Frente Al Sol Spanish soap opera, which went on
> for weeks. These
> extended scenes are, to me, the greatest mainstream
> bondage scenes ever - the one that I would take over any
> other. For any of you who have never seen it, you don't know what you're missing.

Well, bindher.com currently has a video clip of the first part of this GREAT, GREAT scene. Since I too do not have a complete copy of this one, I am anxiously awaiting part 2, when the baddie stuffs the mouth-packing in.

Those of you who have never seen this one, I suggest you hustle on over to Bindher's site and check out his "global damsels" page.
Brian L
Wednesday January 29 16:06:36 2003
Question
What are some examples of scenes where the villian wasn't planning on gagging the damsel, but her talking iritated him into gagging her?
Wednesday January 29 16:10:46 2003
Re: Jessi's Post- Holy Grails
> was good for
> sexually menacing plots.

> The Equalizer guest starring
> Adam Ant as a white slave dealer.
> I wonder how I could get a hold of that episode.

Whilst you're trying to get ahold of Equalizer ep Jessi,
figure you may want to ask about Ekis, with Sunshine Cruz scene as well?
It's one we snagged off Asian TV that has a sexually menacing whilst B&G'd scene.
One thing,
villians are Asians, (Philippine Islanders), not burly Germans.
If not a problem? Sounds as if you'd enjoy it?
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 16:53:03 2003
Re: Question
> What are some examples of scenes where the villian wasn't
> planning on gagging the damsel, but her talking iritated
> him into gagging her?

Hunter: "Night of the Dragons" - Stepfanie Kramer

Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 16:56:55 2003
Joe Millionaire
Check out the Drudge Report!! Apparently, the Smoking Gun has learned that one of the Joe Millionaire finalists was a bondage model. She's pretty hot too.
Donny
Wednesday January 29 16:59:29 2003
Holy Grails
FIVE ASHORE IN SINGAPORE (aka SINGAPORE, SINGAPORE), a late 60s film.

I was flipping around the channels and I caught a bound and gagged scene from this film. I was at a friend's place and there was no VCR. I've been looking for it ever since. Let's see how many people even know what movie I'm talking about. It's not in the database.
Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 17:03:33 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> Check out the Drudge Report!! Apparently, the Smoking
> Gun has learned that one of the Joe Millionaire finalists
> was a bondage model. She's pretty hot too.

What's the Drudge Report? What's the Smoking Gun? If you find out her name, please let us know. Thanks.

Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 17:31:18 2003
Joe Millionaire
I just heard this on the radio. Apparently she was in a movie called "Novices in Knots".

I think it's commercial bondage porn rather than DiD though.

Didn't catch her name
jessi
jarbabyj@yahoo.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jarbabyj
Wednesday January 29 17:35:27 2003
Re: BoP wasn't sexy
> I have to take issue with the notion that BoP was sexy.
> Sure, the show's ads and promos PROMISED sexy, but on the
> show itself, everybody wore a lot of clothing. I mean,
> they had Huntress writhing aound half naked in a slip on
> the promos, then on the show she wears street clothes and
> a big cape/jacket so you could barely see her.

I SO agree. Another reason you could barely see her is that she's in ALL BLACK, like SO MANY other characters and, hell, women on the town. Helps to conceal all the CGI stuff, sure. But dark clothing is "slimming" because it HIDES stuff!

In addition to Huntress, characters with scenes that have been hindered, IMHO, by the flawed thinking that "all black" is the best way to look kick-ass, cool and/or sexy include:

Jessica Alba's "(way too) Dark Angel"
Halle Berry (Storm) and Famke Janssen
Peta Wilson
Tia Carrere (okay, dark brown, but still)

Hmm. The list ain't as long as I thought. Guess I'm just grumpy that they decided to dress Jennifer Garner in the standard crappy all-black super-heroine thing in the upcoming "Daredevil." Oh, hey, yeah, there was also Nicole Eggert in "Demolitionist." I dunno. Give me Helen Slater in her "Supergirl" outfit any time.
Not Brian
Wednesday January 29 17:35:39 2003
Joe Millionaire
Here is the link to learn more. Pretty cool, I think. It's too bad the girl is gonna raked over the coals for doing a job she enjoyed. You know the media is gonna make light bondage look sleazy and perverse.
Viking
http://www.drudgereport.com
Wednesday January 29 17:39:51 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> > Okay then... LAURA SAN GIACOMO!!! (*Just Shoot Me*)
> >
> > 5'2", *killer* figure, feisty...
>
> And has seen better days
>

You aren't *seriously* suggesting that people... *age*... are you? :-)

Imagine an Indiana Jones style made-for-TV movie. *Now* imagine Laura as the Professor character, with a cute little redhead as her grad student/field assistant. *NOW* imagine Musetta Vander as her evil rival. **NOW** imagine that Laura & her assistant are captured & bound and gagged and... and... THUNK! {Sound of Van fainting.} :-)
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
Wednesday January 29 17:46:59 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> > Check out the Drudge Report!! Apparently, the Smoking
>
> > Gun has learned that one of the Joe Millionaire
> finalists
> > was a bondage model. She's pretty hot too.
>
> What's the Drudge Report? What's the Smoking Gun? If you
> find out her name, please let us know. Thanks.

There's a story about this that's on CNN Headline News and also shows some REALLY small shots of her tied up and another one with her blindfolded and being gagged.

Alan Smithee
Wednesday January 29 17:52:50 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> > > Check out the Drudge Report!! Apparently, the
> Smoking
> >
> > > Gun has learned that one of the Joe Millionaire
> > finalists
> > > was a bondage model. She's pretty hot too.
> >
> > What's the Drudge Report? What's the Smoking Gun? If
> you
> > find out her name, please let us know. Thanks.
>
her actress name is Cindy Schubert, and she's part of the FM Concepts group...(http://www.helplessheroines.com, fmconceptsinc.com, etc) - done the foot fetish, bondage, and even the men tied stuff sometimes... lots of photos on the smokinggun.com website.

I've seen pics of her on that site, and in newsgroups but never put two and two together...women look different gagged...LOL

Well, that clicks it for me...she's the one I'd keep...LOL...

(sorry if it's ot, but it is on TV...)
Cindy Schubert's #1 new fan
Wednesday January 29 17:59:52 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> Check out the Drudge Report!! Apparently, the Smoking
> Gun has learned that one of the Joe Millionaire finalists
> was a bondage model. She's pretty hot too.

I'm suprised no one else picked up on that. I recognized her right away from the first episode. Her name is Sarah and she's all over the "Helpless Heiroines" site.
P.S. not sure if she goes by the name Sarah on the "H.H." site, but that's definately her. Check it out.
J.J.
Wednesday January 29 18:01:20 2003
Re: Sitcoms
> > Pam Dawber...
> She did
> get briefly tied up in "The girl, the gold watch, and
> everything", but without a gag.

See also "Stay Tuned," where she was strapped to a chair early on and tied to train near the end. Effect somewhat dimninished by the knowledge that she was seriously pregnant at the time.



Paul
Wednesday January 29 18:04:13 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> I just heard this on the radio. Apparently she was in a
> movie called "Novices in Knots".
>
> I think it's commercial bondage porn rather than DiD
> though.
>
> Didn't catch her name

Sara, and will be in the show for at least another week.
I heard that on a morning radio show in Atlanta.
Wednesday January 29 18:10:17 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kozer6.html
Wednesday January 29 18:11:23 2003
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Wednesday January 29 18:13:42 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
Jeez...and when we asked her what the wildest thing she'd ever done was, she said it was when she backpacked through Spain! This show could have been a whole lot more interesting than it turned out, is all I have to say.

The Executive Producer
Wednesday January 29 18:15:11 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> her actress name is Cindy Schubert, and she's part of the
> FM Concepts group...(http://www.helplessheroines.com,
> fmconceptsinc.com, etc) - done the foot fetish, bondage,
> and even the men tied stuff sometimes... lots of photos
> on the smokinggun.com website.

Thanks for the information. I am very familiar with Cindy Schubert. She is gorgeous. She also puts some ACTING into her bondage scenes, which is very enjoyable. When is Joe Millionaire on and what channel?


Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 18:22:11 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> I just heard this on the radio. Apparently she was in a
> movie called "Novices in Knots".
> >

Interesting article
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11204,00.html?tnews
Wednesday January 29 18:22:52 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire

>When is Joe Millionaire on and what channel?

9 PM EST, Mondays on Fox



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Wednesday January 29 18:43:46 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
> I'm suprised no one else picked up on that. I recognized
> her right away from the first episode.

I'm sure some of us did, but I don't think it's a big deal. If everyone wants to read about it, fine; but it's not mainstream material and that's what this page is about. I know models who would not want to deal with the big deal. I for one would be happy if it was dropped here.
Wednesday January 29 18:48:05 2003
Re: Angel

Same here. Charisma Carpenter has lost all appeal. If
she's B&G again, fine, but I won't make a big deal

I agree that she has lost "SOME" appeal and I know others that agree. My reason is she was very hot as a brunet and that is rare any more, so what do they do? They give her a new look with blond highlights. I mean to me it is no diferent then doing it to Jennifer Love Hewitt and I like blonds best 98 % of the time but Jenn Hewitt would look bad as a blond. It would not match her skin tone and let me tell you as a producer; a good brunet is very hard to find, but very sexy if you can find a good one. Debra Lee comes to mind. I have been quite lucky at getting 2 amazing one by the way and that is one out of over 30 blonds. Charisma Carpenter is still cute and that 2 nd scene was not to bad,but why the hell would you take Linda Carter or any other HOT brunet and do that to her hair ? Are there not enough blonds ? , well of course not ha ha, but dam I do not like what they did to her at all. I also hate tattoos, what is it with Allisa Millano or whatever her name is from Charmed ? Did anyone else notice them ? If a girl has tattoos I will not even work with her most of the time. Just my opinion, it is really a matter of taste .

Alex Bond
http://www.sosbound.com
Wednesday January 29 18:48:14 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
There are 12 pages of pics vidcaps on the smoking gun site.
Wednesday January 29 18:50:15 2003
Gagged Sara on Joe $$$
It was freaky at work. Someone sent me the link (we're all Joe Millionaire fans) and a few people were in my office when I clicked it and read the story. We all watch the show so it didn't seem unusual, but it was weird looking at bondage photos in the office.

Evan
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.shtml
Wednesday January 29 19:16:58 2003
Re: Angel
> Same here. Charisma Carpenter has lost all appeal. If
> she's B&G again, fine, but I won't make a big deal
>

She was a lot more attractive playing a snob on Buffy. She's not getting prettier as she's getting older (unlike Tiffani Thiessen).
Wednesday January 29 19:19:55 2003
Joe $$$$
They are about to do the story on E!News, complete with the evidence. If you miss it, I'd try E!News at 7am tomorrow for a repeat.
Evan
Wednesday January 29 19:23:11 2003
Spanish Scenes
I posted some info about some fantastic Spanish language action movie scenes over on Movie/Video Alerts.

By the way, at the risk of getting this deleted, that whole thing about Cindy Schubert being on Joe Millionaire really is crazy. Seeing the articles on E! Online are like having your video collection discovered by your girlfriend (a sad experience which I have been through).

So we've got Cindy Schubert as a contestant on Joe Millionaire, Regina Bartkowski as a Juggie dancer on The Man Show, and (if you recall) Stacy Burke as a contestant on Love Connection. Are there other instances of this phenomenon that I'm leaving out? Is it okay to talk about this on this board?
Johnny R.
johnnyrocketeater@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 19:32:58 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> For the longest time, the Brackens World episode with
> Karen Jensen - when she was kidnapped, b/g for the entire
> episode(AND SHOWN LIKE THAT!!) was one of mine.

Mine too. I saw it both times it ran originally in 1969 on NBC and then didn't see it again until the mid-1990's. It wasn't as satisfying as I had thought it would be, perhaps because the scenes seemed dark.

Still, she was quite a cutie.
Gag Fan
Wednesday January 29 19:40:57 2003
Re: Question
> What are some examples of scenes where the villian wasn't
> planning on gagging the damsel, but her talking iritated
> him into gagging her?

A re-gagging of Tammy Isbell in "A Shaolin Treasure" episode of "Kung Fu: The Next Geberation".

Overlooker
Wednesday January 29 19:41:36 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> FIVE ASHORE IN SINGAPORE (aka SINGAPORE, SINGAPORE), a
> late 60s film.
>
> I was flipping around the channels and I caught a bound
> and gagged scene from this film. I was at a friend's
> place and there was no VCR. I've been looking for it ever
> since. Let's see how many people even know what movie I'm
> talking about. It's not in the database.


I have that scene, I got it in a trade a few years ago. Marika Green, Jessy Greek, & Trudy Connor tied together & gagged. Haven't looked at it in a LONG time but I think it was a pretty fair scene.
JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Wednesday January 29 19:56:06 2003
Re: Question
> > What are some examples of scenes where the villian
> wasn't
> > planning on gagging the damsel, but her talking
> iritated
> > him into gagging her?


Charisma Carpenter is gagged b/c being a "chatty cow" would bring down her price at the local demon bazaar. I was so turned on when the two demons barter over the captive Cordy(Charisma)as she struggles and moans against her restraints.
"A bit talkative but you can whip that out of her."

OHH BABY!!!

Paco The Bandit
Wednesday January 29 20:14:20 2003
Re: Bold & Beautiful
> > I'm looking for pics of Maggie from The Bold And The
> > Beautiful from old episodes.
>
I found vidcaps of that scene from a web page about
Barbara Crampton ("Maggie") some time ago. I e-mailed
copies of the pictures to Rich McGill's site
(Bindherupx.) They should be at that website. Or, I could
e-mail copies of those pictures to you myself. It's up to you.
------------------------------------
I am just "Rich".
Rich McGill is a different person.
Rich
bindherupx@yahoo.com
http://bindherupx.net/barbaracrampton.htm
Wednesday January 29 20:14:36 2003
Re: Holy Grails
How coincidental about the Cindy Schubert/ Joe Millionaire thing...My wife & I bought our first "guys & gals tied together" video from HH & it arrived yesterday and..yes...it's the one with that "game show contestant" plotline they talked about. Small world.

Anyway, a Holy Grail for me, a scene I've been looking for forever, would be a COMPLETE version of Lynn Marta's scene from "The Rookies". I remember seeing it in it's entirety when it first aired WAY back in the day, before VCR's & such. I've since gotten it several times in trades, and the recent TV Land showing, but always in the edited version. I'd love to see again the whole thing.

Same goes for the All My Children scene from WAY back when where Brooke English (Julia Barr) was tied & gagged (with packing) in the garage (or was it a basement?) and tried to cut herself free with a saw that's hanging around. Again, I've gotten this scene a few times in trade but never complete. I was non more than 10-12 when I saw it on it's original airing but I remember it pretty vividly.

A Holy Grail that isn't just a matter of a complete scene of one I already have (let's see if anyone remembers this one) also came from All My Children, probably early 80's. Erica's evil (well, bad but not really evil!) sister Silver, played by Deborah Goodrich, is seen in a dream sequence tied to a pole & nicely cleave gagged by Erica & the man I think the 2 sisters were fighting over. It wasn't very long, as dream sequences tend to not be, but I still remember it as a nice scene. I remember being in the kitchen & my sister, who was a big AMC fan, turned the TV on right when the scene started. She didn't know it was a dream & was going on about "Oh my God! Someone has kidnapped Silver? Who's got her??" before the scene ended & she (and I) found out it was just a dream sequence. Of course I acted very uninterested the whole time, but didn't take my eyes off the TV for a second! Has anyone else ever seen this one?
JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Wednesday January 29 20:17:11 2003
Farscape semi-alert!
I was reading a spoiler for the episode *Bringing Home the Beacon* & there were the magic words: "...the episode ends with Aeryn in Scarren captivity..." Aeryn is, of course, Claudia Black's character. (Schwing!!!} No other details were in the spoiler (about Aeryn's captivity, that is); however, it's clear they're setting up at least part of the story arc for the final episodes as a quest to find & rescue Aeryn. The "Bringing Home..." episode is the one *after* this Friday's episode (in the US.) I understand things are running faster in the UK, so forum brethren in the "Fair & Pleasant Land" please keep us informed! :-)
http://www.scifi.com/freezone/farscape/images2/aeryn13.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
Wednesday January 29 20:41:50 2003
Re: Angel, Alyssa
>
> Same here. Charisma Carpenter has lost all appeal. If
>
> she's B&G again, fine, but I won't make a big deal
>
> I agree that she has lost "SOME" appeal and I know
> others that agree. My reason is she was very hot as a
> brunet and that is rare any more, so what do they do?
> They give her a new look with blond highlights. I mean to
> me it is no diferent then doing it to Jennifer Love
> Hewitt and I like blonds best 98 % of the time but Jenn
> Hewitt would look bad as a blond. It would not match her
> skin tone and let me tell you as a producer; a good
> brunet is very hard to find, but very sexy if you can
> find a good one. Charisma Carpenter is
> still cute and that 2 nd scene was not to bad,but why the
> hell would you take Linda Carter or any other HOT brunet
> and do that to her hair ? Are there not enough blonds ? ,
> well of course not ha ha, but dam I do not like what they
> did to her at all. I also hate tattoos, what is it with
> Allisa Millano or whatever her name is from Charmed ? Did
> anyone else notice them ? If a girl has tattoos I will
> not even work with her most of the time. Just my opinion, it is really a matter of taste.

I agree 100 percent with your entire post. On Charisma, why alter her hair? It's stupid. Good example with Jennifer Love-Hewitt; she'd look terrible as anything but a brunette. Another example is Jennifer Garner wearing those wigs on "Alias." Amazing to say, but she looks terrible when it's not her natural hair showing. You just know if she gets gagged on that show, she'll be in a wig.

As for Alyssa, I didn't think it was possible for her to be a turnoff, but she does it in two ways: the tattoes, which she NEVER exposed on the show in the first couple seasons, now they're everywhere you turn since she became a producer of the show. Second, her constant hair changes and color changes. I didn't mind the slight blondish highlights when it was still long last year, but that short, firm style she has this season is a terrible look.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 29 20:51:54 2003
Stargate -- Amanda Tapping Tapegaged
When is the Stargate episode scheduled with our hottie Amanda Tapping B&G'ed

Bondoboy
Bondoboy
Wednesday January 29 21:11:46 2003
Re: Rerun Stuff
> > I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else
>
> > have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see?
>
> The daughter on 8 Simple Rules springs to mind for some
> reason.

If you're referring to thesexy blonde Kaley Cuoco, then she was bound and gagged in the movie "Virtuosity", but she was about eight or nine years old at the time.

Hadji
Wednesday January 29 21:27:11 2003
Re: BoP wasn't sexy
> In addition to Huntress, characters with scenes that have
> been hindered, IMHO, by the flawed thinking that "all
> black" is the best way to look kick-ass, cool and/or sexy
> include:
>
> Jessica Alba's "(way too) Dark Angel"
> Halle Berry (Storm) and Famke Janssen
> Peta Wilson
> Tia Carrere (okay, dark brown, but still)
>
> Hmm. The list ain't as long as I thought.

How could you forget She Spies? Looks like they have about fifty dollars to spend on the wardrobe for the entire season. Get out those black tank tops and pants again, gals...
ss
Wednesday January 29 21:33:27 2003
Re: Stargate -- Amanda Tapping Tapegaged
> When is the Stargate episode scheduled with our hottie
> Amanda Tapping B&G'ed
>
> Bondoboy

The episode title is "FORSAKEN" & it's scheduled to air in the US on 21 FEB 2003.

The URL below is the best site I've found for keeping up with "The Amanda Tapping Show."
http://www.gateworld.net/news/graphics/forsaken.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.gateworld.net/index.shtml
Wednesday January 29 21:52:34 2003
Re: Holy Grails
> Erica's evil (well, bad but not really evil!)
> sister Silver, played by Deborah Goodrich, is seen in a
> dream sequence tied to a pole & nicely cleave gagged by
> Erica & the man I think the 2 sisters were fighting over.

The character they were fighting over was Kent Bogard, who Silver ended up killing (much later).

As a side note, at one point befoe Erica realized how evil Silver was, she helped Silver get a modeling job. (Silver wanted to be a model.) Silver was very unhappy about the specifics of the job, however, which was to model pantyhose. "Pantyhose!", she said. "That's *underwear*!"

Don't we know it.

Apparently Brookie had a couple of B&G scenes. I haven't seen the one to which you refer, but would like to. There was a different scene where a psycho had kidnapped Brookie while Sting's "Every Move You Make" played endlessly. An unfortunately sloppy gag in that scene.

And I think we *all* would like to see the deleted Lynne Marta theater scene from "The Rookies"!
Gag Fan
Wednesday January 29 22:06:42 2003
Re: Joe Millionaire
Cindy Shubert isn't the only bondage model to appear in these reality TV shows, but now she's probably the most famous. I saw bondage star Alexis Taylor on an episode of "Blind Date" a few years ago.

I wonder what the big deal is? It's not as if these women are Rhodes scholars or the Virgin Mary. The whole premise of the show is money-grubbing women who are willing to marry a guy they barely know for money. IMO, they all deserve to be bound and gagged.
MadFish
Wednesday January 29 22:08:29 2003
Re: Rescue Maiden
> Interesting, but it appears that unfortunately, the fair
> maiden is not part of the kit.

LV, Tapemaster: Not sure what you guys are talking about. Without the 'Fair Maiden', there's really no toy. It is pretty clear to me that the little molded bound damsel is an integral part of the product.

What is sold separately is the 'insulated track section' which is a Lionel item that can be used to electrically activate the rescue action (in this instance; it also has many other possible uses) instead of the contactor (which uses the weight of train as I understand it).

I thought the inset photo where she and the Mountie look like they might kiss at any moment was pretty kinky for a mainstream toy/hobby product! ;-) And I find it quite amusing that she appears to be holding her purse throughout her ordeal.

And yes, Rich is correct--I am a different person! I used to post as "Rich" until he came along. My stuff (stories about a female escapologist named 'Baylea Kensington' as well as other more generic bondage stories) is in the "Tight Corners" section of "Restrained Tastes".
Rich McGill
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/entrance.htm
Wednesday January 29 22:29:30 2003
Re: Daredevil, X-Men 2
> From quick preview, perhaps there will be DID scenes on
> the 2 new movies (suspension)


I saw the previews in the theaters and the Super Bowl and didnt catch anything. although the plot lines may allow for it how do you figure suspension?
MAV
Wednesday January 29 22:30:35 2003
Re: Holy Grails (Falcon Crest)
> I'm lookng for the episode of Falcon Crest where the
> guest, Laurel Schaefer, is tied up and gagged by kids.
> *Sigh!* Hope someone has a complete schene of this. Do
> let me know guys.

You may be able to get this one on your own if your providers carries the Soap Network. Falcon Crest is currently airing on that network Mondays through Fridays. They are currently in the middle of Season 4. I did a check on TVTome.com and Laurel Schaefer is only credited with appearing in 16 episodes of Falcon Crest, all in Season 6.

At five episodes per week, they should start airing those episodes around the beginning of April. The link below lists the episodes in which she appeared.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-46852


MadFish
Wednesday January 29 22:38:32 2003
Re: Spanish Scenes
> So we've got Cindy Schubert as a contestant on Joe
> Millionaire, Regina Bartkowski as a Juggie dancer on The
> Man Show, and (if you recall) Stacy Burke as a contestant
> on Love Connection. Are there other instances of this
> phenomenon that I'm leaving out? Is it okay to talk
> about this on this board?

Well, if you were around for those discussions, you were probably around when we pointed out that bondage models also do an awful lot of work in mainstream productions, esp. horror flicks and softcore, but lots of other things as well, obviously.

This has been going on for awhile -- Michelle Bauer did a lot of work in mainstream, and she's pretty out about it, in fact, most of it was under the name Michelle Bauer. Even appeared under that name in some Walter Matthau films.

We decided not to reveal them by name when they use a different name for the two different kinds of work, but I don't think we said not to discuss the topic generally. I guess that would be Brian's call.

My two cents: I think it's reasonable on a discussion board about bondage scenes in mainstream media to note when bondage models show up in mainstream media. Although it's fast becoming a commonplace.

Also, I checked out several of the vidcaps of Schubert on the Drudge site, and they struck me as kind of ... innocuous. Not really far from the photos that show up regularly on the Bondage in Everyday Life site. I know FM Concepts does nude stuff, but I didn't see any on Drudge. Plus the images of her with males tied up and tying up males gives it a nice "equal opportunity" angle.

I don't think any but the biggest prudes are gonna be offended by these photos. Let's just hope we don't have any Insex or ZFX models show up in a big mainstream venue.
Pat Powers
Wednesday January 29 22:54:19 2003
Re: Holy Grails (Falcon Crest)
> You may be able to get this one on your own if your
> providers carries the Soap Network. Falcon Crest is
> currently airing on that network Mondays through Fridays.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I'm in Asia and my cable company doesn't carry this. I wish some of of our "videographers" like Anubis, Kerhop, GMan, AVIFan can record the episode (no idea which episode of Season 6) where Emma turns Angela's house to a kids' day care center.
Cris
crisostomoibarra@hotmail.com
Wednesday January 29 23:08:07 2003
Re: Christine Baranski likes to be tied
> I read a quote from, Christine Baranski, probably best
> known for her co-starring role on "Cybill," in which she
> said she really likes being tied. Specifically, she said
> of one of her movie roles (X-men?), "They spent a lot of
> time on the shoot tying me into this harness -- it was
> very naughty, very sexy, and I loved every second of it."
> That was from the recent issue of Entertainment Weekly
> with Rebecca Romijn Stamos on the cover in her Mystique gear.

She had a funny scene in 'The Ref' (aka Hostile Hostages) where she was tied up and tape gagged (thoroughly) by her kids when the hostage taker told them to do so.
Cris
crisostomoibarra@hotmail.com
Wednesday January 29 23:56:13 2003
Re: "Wacky Catburgler"
> No question: DEBRA MESSING!!!
>
> I have a "Wacky Catburglar" script for *Will & Grace.... > He
> ties her up & they have a nice talk while he ransacks the
> place. ... Burglar gags Grace before leaving. Grace
> tries to use phone but fails. Hops around looking for
> escape/release (very comical & slapstick.) Makes it into
> hall (still B&G'd) & hops from door to door, thumping
> with her head & m'mmpfhing for help. Her neighbors
> ignore her. Finally she hops into the elevator (still
> B&G'd) & is carried down to the busy lobby. Hilarity ensues. :-)

Van,

I really liked your above script idea. my omly suggestion would be to have a femal catburgler, played by someone who has received the full treatment in herself like Tracey Gold, Megan Gallagher, or maybe Allyson hannigan from Buffy. You should definately think about send your idea to the producers of Will & Grace.

mornad
mornad4@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 29 23:59:49 2003
Re: Rescue Maiden
> > Interesting, but it appears that unfortunately, the
> fair
> > maiden is not part of the kit.
>
> LV, Tapemaster: Not sure what you guys are talking about.
> Without the 'Fair Maiden', there's really no toy. It is
> pretty clear to me that the little molded bound damsel is
> an integral part of the product.

I'm terribly sorry! I was just making a joke! The phrase "Fair Maiden sold separately" came into my head and it struck me as very funny, so I posted it.

Also, sorry for the name mixup Rich McGill.

Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com

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