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Wednesday January 08 00:22:32 2003
While the G-MaN is away...
Thanks for the possible heads up, Zinger. And don't worry I'll have two VCRs and a few free GBs on my computer burning away while we're gone. One of the VCRs is for the TV series we watch regardless of bondage (but I just happen to enjoy "John Doe".<g>)

With any luck, I'll have a dozen brand new clips when we get back.
G-MaN
gman22471@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 08 00:58:12 2003
Sites on the Friends page
As it says on the page:

I do NOT keep track of these sites. Don't send me questions about them. If a link no longer works, you can let me know but don't bug me about what happened. I DON'T KNOW.

Brian R
Wednesday January 08 01:15:17 2003
Re: Guardian - Wendy Moniz
> This could be one of those cases where they lock
> the good guy up and the bad guy is still after her.

Actually, I'm thinking it may be the blonde policewoman that the "Guardian" stood up at the restaurant. She looked pretty pissed. I'd say there's a fairly good chance that this show will produce at least a tie up (or cuffing) for Wendy this season. Of course that could just be wishful thinking on my part.
CM
Wednesday January 08 01:29:46 2003
Re: Guardian - Wendy Moniz
> > This could be one of those cases where they lock
> > the good guy up and the bad guy is still after her.
>
> Actually, I'm thinking it may be the blonde policewoman
> that the "Guardian" stood up at the restaurant. She
> looked pretty pissed. I'd say there's a fairly good
> chance that this show will produce at least a tie up (or
> cuffing) for Wendy this season.

That's a great theory, and that could be exactly where they're going. I went right past the pissed off policewoman at the end of the show, but you're right, that would be a good angle. The policewoman, who they already have indicated is off the wall, has a perfect setup as a cop to grab Wendy anytime, anywhere, especially with the stalker angle.

Now I have to keep watching.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 08 06:38:18 2003
Lumley, Sewer
IIRC the "New Avenger"'s DID scene occur inside a tunnel / sewer. The villain bound and gagged Purdey as a bait. Steed rescue Purdey (Lumley) and remove the fruit gag from her mouth. Is this the scene mentioned on the interview?

Asian
Wednesday January 08 06:55:42 2003
Re: Guardian - Wendy Moniz
> That's a great theory, and that could be exactly where
> they're going. I went right past the pissed off
> policewoman at the end of the show, but you're right,
> that would be a good angle. The policewoman, who they
> already have indicated is off the wall, has a perfect
> setup as a cop to grab Wendy anytime, anywhere,
> especially with the stalker angle.

Of course, she could go after HIM and we wind up with another putz scene. That does seem to be the case more often these days.

Sorry to spoil all your fantasies.
Wednesday January 08 08:47:42 2003
RETURN OF A CERTAIN INFAMOUS SERIAL
Watch these and other boards...I may have an interesting piece of news regarding King of the Park Rangers in the comiing weeks (which may even include better distribution, granting it more mainstream status).

If this post is off-topic, I apologize and will repost it on AG.
http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com/traceytaped.jpg
Todd 3-D
todd3d@yahoo.com
http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com
Wednesday January 08 10:09:57 2003
So many proto-Slayers!
...so many possibilities.

Not that I'm getting my hopes up -- especially because, if the First wants to use one or more Scoobies to get to the rest, it's probably better off just killing them and inhabiting their bodies as it did this week. Still, the show's had a good enough track record that you just never know...
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/posts/Slayers.jpg
Raffish
Wednesday January 08 10:23:29 2003
Three Questions
What do you consider to be the best scenes involving middle-aged actresses?

Since Jamie King just joined the troops of ex-models in bondage, in what order would you rank former models DiD scenes?

Which currently well-known actresses do you think had the best DiD scenes before they became stars?
CD
Wednesday January 08 10:31:39 2003
Re: Lumley, Sewer
> IIRC the "New Avenger"'s DID scene occur inside a tunnel
> / sewer. The villain bound and gagged Purdey as a bait.
> Steed rescue Purdey (Lumley) and remove the fruit gag
> from her mouth. Is this the scene mentioned on the
> interview?

I looked throught the Avengers book a while ago and it has small B&G pics of Diana Rigg from 'The Bird Who Knew Too Much' & Honor Blackman from 'The Medicine Men' (OTM gag) as well as Linda Thorson handgagged in 'Getaway'.

I doubt the fruit gag would cause a split lip but I could be wrong.

Ed
Wednesday January 08 11:27:29 2003
LXG:TMP
The "Comics2Film" site has posted a 20th Century Fox publicity still from the currently-in-production *League of Extraordinary Gentlemen*, giving us the first real look at Peta Wilson as Mina (...first look for *me*, anyhow.) The URL leads to a big uncropped version.

There's no indication at this time that Mina (Peta) will have a DiD-scene in LXG... but we can dream, can't we??? :-)
http://www.comics2film.com/images/LoEG/LGXcar150.gif
Van Haroutunian Jr.
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.comics2film.com/images/LoEG/LGXcar.jpg
Wednesday January 08 14:34:57 2003
Re: Wendy Moniz, Birds
>
> Of course, she could go after HIM and we wind up with
> another putz scene. That does seem to be the case more
> often these days.
>
> Sorry to spoil all your fantasies.

Unless the "Crossing Jordan" writers suddenly move to CBS, I think we're safe with Wendy as the target. Hopefully.

Also, last two episodes of "Birds of Prey" air back-to-back tonight, then it's gone forever. Might be a good idea to record them just in case something develops. The descriptions hold some promise for each epiosde.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 08 14:49:43 2003
Re: Three Questions
> What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> middle-aged actresses?
>
> Since Jamie King just joined the troops of ex-models in
> bondage, in what order would you rank former models DiD
> scenes?
>
> Which currently well-known actresses do you think had the
> best DiD scenes before they became stars?

Couldn't really come up with much for middle-age, which in this case, I'd take for over 40. Maybe Cheryl Ladd in "One West Wakiki." That scene wasn't that great, but it WAS Cheryl Ladd. Elizabeth Montgomery's scene with a red-headed sidekick in a CBS movie from the early 1990s was a good scene as they struggled on the floor and hopped around to reach the phone.

Models: Kathy Ireland, Kathy Ireland and Kathy Ireland.

Before they were stars: Debra Messing. If we count Heather Locklear, who was starring in two shows early in her career, I'd add her name to this list.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 08 16:22:46 2003
Lexx: bad craziness!
I just noticed that the infamous "P4X" episode of Lexx (4-03) is airing late tonight, so I'll post an alert.

But what else do I see? All the hype about this scene when it first aired, and it's *not in the database*? Shame on us!

I'll actually be seeing this scene for the first time tonight, but the e-zine entry seems descriptive enough that I can just copy it to the DB.

Remember, though, folks: more DB entries = more alerts = more chances for everyone to catch the scenes they've missed.
http://brianspage.com/ezine/issue-2.1/images/lexx1.jpg
Raffish
Wednesday January 08 16:22:57 2003
Re: young&restless
> G-Man: On today's episode of Y&R in Canada,(which will be
> shown on CBS Wednesday) pretty "Brittany"

Anything happen today???

Wednesday January 08 16:36:28 2003
Re: Three Questions
> > What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> > middle-aged actresses?
> >
The bondage scenes Kate Jackson had on "Scarecrow and Mrs. King" and Faye Dunaway's bondage scene in "Three Days of the Condor", in which she is bound and gagged in a shower by Robert Redford.

> > Since Jamie King just joined the troops of ex-models in
>
> > bondage, in what order would you rank former models DiD
>
> > scenes?

Monika Schnarre, a popular model from the late 1980s, had a delectable scene in "Friday the 13tH: The Series".

> > Which currently well-known actresses do you think had
> the
> > best DiD scenes before they became stars?

Michelle Pfeiffer had two great scenes, one in the series "B.A.D. Cats", and the other in "Charlie Chan and the Curse of the Dragon Queen".
Hadji
Wednesday January 08 16:51:24 2003
Re: Three Questions
> WAS Cheryl Ladd. Elizabeth Montgomery's scene with a
> red-headed sidekick in a CBS movie from the early 1990s
> was a good scene

You serious? Liz aged pretty badly
Wednesday January 08 17:14:53 2003
Re: Three Questions
> > WAS Cheryl Ladd. Elizabeth Montgomery's scene with a
> > red-headed sidekick in a CBS movie from the early 1990s
>
> > was a good scene
>
> You serious? Liz aged pretty badly

Agreed, although that was a bad hairstyle more than anything else. The redhead was very attractive, especially rolling around on the floor. It was more the combo scene than anything else. I did say I was reaching for a scene for over-40s. It's not a favorite.

I also was going to include Kate Jackson's white tape-gag scene from "Scarecrow" but she was probably in her mid-30s when that was filmed, so I didn't include it.
Brian W.
Wednesday January 08 17:21:20 2003
Re: Three Questions
>> Elizabeth Montgomery's scene with a
> > red-headed sidekick in a CBS movie from the early 1990s

> You serious? Liz aged pretty badly

Speaking of Liz's (Lizzies?), Elizabeth Taylor in "X, Y and Zee." She was starting to go to seed, but not too far, and her hands were really tied. And it *was* Elizabeth Taylor. (Will we be saying things like that 20 year from now about Jennifer Anniston or Kristin Kreuk?) The dialog was pretty cool, too: "No, (don't untie me) I like it like that."

Also (showing my age here), Ida Lupino made hundreds of movies, but most often played the bad girl, so nothing ever happened. Then in the 60s or so--and her 60s too, I'd guess--she got a thick cleave gag in some TV movie. She still looked pretty good, and it *was* Ida Lupino.

And June Allyson, once "America's Sweetheart" handcuffed in "They Only Kill Their Masters." Not much of a scene, and she was fading, but at least it got her on the list.

Paul
Wednesday January 08 17:34:29 2003
Re: Three Questions
> What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> middle-aged actresses?

Depends on the definition-- both of Jane Seymour's B & G scenes came when she was... well, no longer a starlet.. and they're pretty darn good.


> Which currently well-known actresses do you think had the
> best DiD scenes before they became stars?

Well, again, depends on your definitions-- Cameron Diaz certainly wasn't a "star" when she made "The Mask" or "Head Above Water" (granted the "Mask" scene wasn't much, but "Head Above Water" is a classic, IMHO). And while she was nominally the star of "A Life Less Ordinary", she was still a ways from her breakthrough.

I'd agree Pfeiffer's "pre-stardom" scenes were good ones. Might also cast a vote for Demi Moore, since she had the nice extended one on "General Hospital".
Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebond
Wednesday January 08 17:37:46 2003
"Terminal"
The C.H.U.D. movie website has a review today of the DVD release of the TV-movie, "Terminal", with a nice 'cap of Khandi Alexander's scene (can't recall if this one came up during the recent discussion of scenes with black actresses, but it appears to be a nice one).
Jeb
http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/terminal.php3
Wednesday January 08 17:46:30 2003
Re: "Terminal"
Actually reading through the DVD review I mentioned above, there is this cute bit at the end, describing the cover of the DVD box:

"[The cover shows] A picture of the eyes of an “evil” doctor and a syringe, neither of which figure into the film in the least.

It’s kind of like those Marvel Comics covers of the 70’s that always had a scantily clad damsel in distress on the cover, and you’d see Iron Fist or Shang-Chi in front of her trying to fend off some mega badguy with a word bubble to the effect of “If I can’t defeat this fiend with my channeled chi, we’re both doomed!”

Then you’d buy the issue, and she was nowhere to be found inside. Ok, well this cover isn’t really like that, but I would have liked this better if they used that type of cover to promote this DVD."

Personally, I think that kind of illustration ought to be part of Marketing 101, but what do I know?

Jeb
Wednesday January 08 18:05:12 2003
Birds of Prey
Birds of Prey has two episodes un-aired . These episodes are currently filming. I would imagine the WB will burn these episodes off in March or April.
Lenny S
Wednesday January 08 19:01:51 2003
Re: Three Questions
> What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> middle-aged actresses

1 Belinda Metz in "secret service" the TV show ( also a very good show) IMOP was an above average scene.

2 Jessica Beels in "four rooms" I think many woud agree ?

3 that older, but hot woman in "Dune" A nice plug gag.

4 cant remember the name ,but maybe someone can help on it. A british show with a very hot blond 9 30 something"in a white skirt and black top with buttons, tightly cleave gagged and tied to a chair with a shot gun booby trap on her.

Alex Bond
http://www.sosbound.com
Wednesday January 08 19:02:09 2003
Re: Three Questions
> > > What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> > > middle-aged actresses?

Without a doubt - Joanna Lumley in Class Act
Dario Pula
Wednesday January 08 19:06:39 2003
Jessica Beels
Alex: Jennifer Beals was in "4 Rooms".
anon22
Wednesday January 08 19:44:22 2003
Jennifer Beals in Four Rooms
Jennifer Beals was in "4 Rooms".
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Four Rooms was also about after a decade after Beals' breakout in "Flashdance". Beals was not a model, but a genuine Ivy League student (Yale or Harvard, I believe).
Kinky-napper
Wednesday January 08 19:54:18 2003
Elizabeth Montgomery - With Murder in Mind (1992)
> > You serious? Liz aged pretty badly
> > >
> Agreed, although that was a bad hairstyle more than anything else. The redhead was very attractive...It was more the combo scene than anything else. I did say I was reaching for a scene for over-40s. It's not a favorite.
----------------
To be fair, I'd have to say that Elizabeth Montgomery didn't look bad at all considering she was age 59(!) at the time, with the exception of the unflattering hairstyle. The "combo" scene did include excellent struggling/escape attempt work by both actresses, plus gag-talk between them.
Wednesday January 08 20:45:09 2003
Re: Elizabeth Montgomery - With Murder in Mind (1992)
> You serious? Liz aged pretty badly

I think Elizabeth Montgomery aged fine. I agree with others here that she could have had a better hairstyle in that scene. However, I think it's a great scene with some excellent close-ups. I love white over-the-mouth gags!


Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 08 22:14:04 2003
Re: young&restless
> > G-Man: On today's episode of Y&R in Canada,(which will
> be
> > shown on CBS Wednesday) pretty "Brittany"
>
> Anything happen today???
>

A spoiler site for tomorrow (Thursday) show says that Brittany will be rescued. it describes some fight scenes and how the bad guys get away. Brittany is quoted so there probably won't be a gag or it will only be very quick. It said nothing to indicate if she will be tied or not. She was not mentioned as fighting like the others were so maybe her hands will be tied.
Wednesday January 08 22:16:55 2003
Re: Three Questions
> What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> middle-aged actresses?

Let's see, according to the IMDB, Gayle Hunnicutt was in her early 40's when she had her scene in 'Target,' and I count that as one of my all-time favs, period.
Magellan
Magellan58@yahoo.com
Wednesday January 08 22:19:20 2003
WEST COAST ALERT: TWILIGHT ZONE
Very quick duct tape gag scene at the end of tonight's Twilight Zone on UPN. Aborted abduction attempt. Cute brunette gets gagged, but stuns her attacker and removes her gag. One MMMMMPH.
Wednesday January 08 22:23:15 2003
Three Questions
> 1) What do you consider to be the best scenes involving middle-aged actresses?
>
If one defines "Middle-aged" as 40 and over, I might also go with Cheryl Ladd in "One West Waikiki". A damsel long on the full-treatment Wish-List, some of the most memorable rescuer gloating ("I don't know, I kinda like you like this!") and declination to remove her gag, and mmphing by Ladd.

Jane Seymour's scenes in "Memories of Midnight" (1991) and "Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman" also represented a Wish-lister. She was hardly an ex-starlet at the time: she was still the "Queen of the Mini-series" for the former, and because the latter was a long-running primetime network TV series, by being the title character by definition kept her in the "A-list" among TV actresses. And IMHO, Ms. Seymour has to be one of today's most attractive actresses who've attained the half-century mark.
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> 2) in what order would you rank former models DiD scenes?
>
A favorite topic of mine.
* Pamela Gidley
* Kathy Ireland ("Gridlock")
* Carol Alt
* Cybill Shepherd ("Yellow Rose" scene)
* Rachel Hunter ("Tripfall")
* Jennifer O'Neill ("Cover Up")
* Angie Everhart

A special mention for Cindy Crawford. "Bodyguards" hasn't come out on VHS for North America, but the vidcaps made by several Brian's Pagers sure looked wonderful!
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> Which currently well-known actresses do you think had the best DiD scenes before they became stars?
>
I'll also go with the General Hospital boat scenes, since the three b&g'd damsels not only included an ingenue Demi Moore, but also Janine Turner. Kim Basinger also had a nice b&g scene (with closeups and mmphing) in "Mother Lode".

I don't think Heather Locklear's scenes in T.J. Hooker should qualify: She didn't receive the full-treatment till about the 3rd or 4th-season, when she was the first actress in Hollywood to be a series regular simultaneously in two long-running primetime network TV series (i.e., she was then already a star).
Kinky-napper
Wednesday January 08 22:39:30 2003
Re: Jessica Beels
> Alex: Jennifer Beals was in "4 Rooms".

Yes I know know thanks I did mean WOULD not woud , man I can't type to save it ha ha
Alex Bond
http://www.sosbound.com
Wednesday January 08 22:39:34 2003
Re: Three Questions
> > What do you consider to be the best scenes involving
> > middle-aged actresses?
>
Other nominees I'd like to add:

Kate Nelligan - Terror Stalks the Class Reunion (42)
Dey Young - Outer Limits "The Last Supper" (40)
Francesca Annis - Dune (40)
Barbara Eden - Amazing Dobermans (42)


MadFish
Wednesday January 08 22:54:06 2003
Sequels no prequels
Do you ever get the feeling certain video stores aim their collections directly at us? I found a store that has "Silent Night Deadly Night part 4" (Not the two preceding flicks), "House 2" (Not House 1), and DeathWish Four (minus part 2). They also have some of the more obscure titles, like "Terror at the Opera" So, they also have Sorority Slumber Party 2 (Not part one), which I haven't rented yet. Anybody know anything about it? The database showed nothing
somerset
Wednesday January 08 23:06:07 2003
Re: Friendly Video Stores
> Do you ever get the feeling certain video stores aim
> their collections directly at us?

Yeah, a small chain where I live has the Justine series in one story and the Story of O ten-part series in another, plus a ton of others. They certainly lured ME away from Blockbuster. (Not that it takes much).
Pat Powers

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