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| Tuesday January 28 00:04:22 2003 HDTV and clear images |
| We've all seen caps that lost most of their detail, were fuzzy and off-color (colorimetric-wise) and recordings that were terrible ("What am I looking at?"), but this new HD stuff blows me away. I was watching "CSI: Miami" tonight and they had an outdoor sequence (not bondage) that you could have walked into! Absolutely stunning! Now, if Hollywood doesn't screw us to the point where we can't record anything, then we might just have something.
Think 1280x720 32-bit color true resolution! |
| Hermango |
| hermango@hotmail.com |
| Tuesday January 28 00:16:27 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
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> > > > If you don't think bondage scenes interest people, why > do > > you think it's so common for bondage imagery to be used > > > in marketing films and TV shows? Even misleadingly > used, > > as in "Maximum Breakout"? > > You are definately on to something, Pat. I think that > many people have an interest in mainstream bondage at > some level. For some, the interest is in the action and > suspense. For others, the interest is more than that, > and for some, a whole lot more than that. How the > numbers concerning the level of interest break down, I do > not know. However, I suspect that the group including > those whose interest is more than or a lot more than the > action and suspense may be larger that some have > imagined. > Do you know how Irving Klaw got into bondage photography? He was originally selling movie stills, and guess which ones kept selling out? He apparently told the studios to please send him anything with bondage. Eventually realized he could do it himself. |
| ss |
| Tuesday January 28 00:17:05 2003 Re: Van on Buffy (heh, heh) |
| > course.) Anyhoo... a *bad* episode of "Buffy" is still
> good television. A *GOOD* episode of "Buffy" is... > TIMELESS. As a huge fan of this show since it premiered, oh, 7 1/2 years ago -- and even as a fan of seeing women bound and gagged since I can remember -- I've got to back Van 100 percent on this one. I would be disappointed if the writing on Buffy went to hell, even if it did result in a couple of additional scenes. Disappointed as I am that with so many babes, the show doesn't find a way to get them "distressed" more often, the fact is that the rare bondage scene on this show really is that much better because the hotties are all such well-rounded, interesting characters--the same reason, I suspect, so many of us prefer mainstream scenes to commerical bondage scenes. Sure, we all went crazy when the invisible guys closed in on Willow with the duct tape and then... nada. And all of the other near misses, especially where it comes to gags. Sure, I'd give my right arm for a mass Buffy/Willow/Anya/Dawn/Faith/Amy/Harmony/all the Potentials scene with hogties and thick, tight cleave gags... but since that quite likely ain't gonna happen, I'll still be (relatively) happy with the numerous tie-ups to date, the dual full treatment action Willow and Dawn got last year, the lengthy scene with Joyce a few seasons ago, and the nice tight tape gag on Azura Skye this season. Hey, it still beats the crap out of Smallville to date... |
| Hibiscus |
| Tuesday January 28 00:18:26 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
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> Who is the *ULTIMATE* one-that-got-away? > AUDREY HEPBURN ...or... JULIE ANDREWS? > Discuss. :-) For me, neither. Probably Lauren Bacall (I personally don't count "hand gags"). |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound |
| Tuesday January 28 00:24:06 2003 Re: Veritas: The Quest |
| > > The ABC series looks like it has potential and the lead is a definite hottie.
True, but I'm also getting red flags on this one. Too many guys mucking about, like the whole "father-son adventurers" thing (lends itself to putz scenes, IMHO). Also seems to take itself a little too seriously/politically correct to go with making the female lead the ususal victim. My (admittedly completely uneducated) prediction would be that several scenes will have dudes, the young lady MIGHT get a scene here or there, or some combination of the above. And that this midseason replacement lasts all of six eps before vanishing. Of course, we all hope otherwise. |
| Hibiscus |
| Tuesday January 28 00:25:25 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
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> Sorry if this is off topic Moderator, but this BS has > been going on for far too long. I agree, this incredible spate of whining is getting ridiculous. I'll say it one last time, YOU GUYS ARE WRONG! The great public out there is not clamoring for bondage scenes. They don't care if the actresses get tied up or not. Half the bondage community doesn't give a damn. Nobody but a few of us care whether the scene on the box cover shows up in the movie. In the old days, we each thought we were unique and alone, so we sure didn't go projecting our desires on the community at large. One of the problems with forums like this is it gives you a false sense of numbers. In absolute terms, we are tiny. I'll say it again, hear it, believe it. Nobody else cares. Nobody else cares. Nobody else cares. Got it? Now let's drop these whiny posts or I'll drop them for you. Get on to some constructive topics. |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday January 28 00:27:41 2003 Re: rejected post |
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> I think I know what happened. While trimming the quoted > portion, I accidentally deleted the ">" symbol at the > beginning of the first line. How do you think the program tells whether a line is a quote or not? |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday January 28 00:43:37 2003 Re: Van on Buffy (heh, heh) |
| > course.) Anyhoo... a *bad* episode of "Buffy" is still
> good television. A *GOOD* episode of "Buffy" is... > TIMELESS. As a huge fan of this show since it premiered, oh, 7 1/2 years ago -- and even as a fan of seeing women bound and gagged since I can remember -- I've got to back Van 100 percent on this one. I would be disappointed if the writing on Buffy went to hell, even if it did result in a couple of additional scenes. Disappointed as I am that with so many babes, the show doesn't find a way to get them "distressed" more often, the fact is that the rare bondage scene on this show really is that much better because the hotties are all such well-rounded, interesting characters--the same reason, I suspect, so many of us prefer mainstream scenes to commerical bondage scenes. Sure, we all went crazy when the invisible guys closed in on Willow with the duct tape and then... nada. And all of the other near misses, especially where it comes to gags. Sure, I'd give my right arm for a mass Buffy/Willow/Anya/Dawn/Faith/Amy/Harmony/all the Potentials scene with hogties and thick, tight cleave gags... but since that quite likely ain't gonna happen, I'll still be (relatively) happy with the numerous tie-ups to date, the dual full treatment action Willow and Dawn got last year, the lengthy scene with Joyce a few seasons ago, and the nice tight tape gag on Azura Skye this season. Hey, it still beats the crap out of Smallville to date... |
| Hibiscus |
| Tuesday January 28 01:45:53 2003 Re: Mornad's Post- Canadian VCR Alerts |
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> may never get to take advantage of one of his alerts, Thanx for the kind words Mornad. I hope everyone realises here?, the Canadian Alerts are posted for everyone here. Fellas in US greatly outnumber Canadians using them. Try to get as many shows taped for passing around as I can. That, and the DiDcap/clip sites have assisted greatly in letting everyone interested see the scenes. Bindher has been incredible about posting them, same Anubis, Biff, Fuzz & Frank. Lost G-Man & AVI-Fan, two DiDclippers who were great, but when they get back, imagine they'll post up the foreign scenes as well. So even if can't receive Canadian channels, everyone interested should be able to make some use of the alerts. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 28 01:48:00 2003 Re: Van on Buffy (heh, heh) |
| > Disappointed as I am that with so many babes, the show
> doesn't find a way to get them "distressed" more often, > the fact is that the rare bondage scene on this show > really is that much better because the hotties are all > such well-rounded, interesting characters--the same > reason, I suspect, so many of us prefer mainstream scenes > to commerical bondage scenes. It's a big part of why I prefer mainstream over commercial, that's for sure. It's more satisfying to see someone I "know" get into a situation, and see what they do in it. It's more genuinely exciting than seeing a mere model posing. In fact, unless the imagery is profound, aesthetically pleasing, or seems to tell a good enough story by itself, I can't really care for a scene unless there's enough of a setup, and a reason for it to occur. Does anyone else feel this way? I just can't separate the scene from its context. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Tuesday January 28 01:52:36 2003 Dragnet 1969 |
| At last! I have finally taped a personal holy grail of mine. Thank you AMC. My god, Thordis looked absolutely great! |
| AP |
| Tuesday January 28 02:33:34 2003 Rerun Stuff |
| Bravo will air a 12 hour "Boomtown" marathon on Sunday, March 2nd. It will feature every episode that has aired so far, leading up to the series return to NBC (from a brief hiatus) later that night. Sometime in March, Bravo will also air a marathon of NBC's upcoming drug dealer drama "Kingpin". NBC recently aquired Bravo, just in case it wasn't obvious.
The Western Channel (Encore Westerns) has picked up "Alias Smith and Jones". WAM! has picked up repeats of "Weird Science" and "Young Hercules". And ABC Family has picked up repeats of "King Of Queens", "Malcolm In The Middle" and "The Gilmore Girls". Yeah, I know that none of these three shows has produced a scene but I'm still dreaming of a mother/daughter hogtie on "The Gilmore Girls". |
| CM |
| Tuesday January 28 03:09:28 2003 Re: Feb sweeps |
| > Yeah, I'm getting optimistic about Alias. It's clearly
> heading into that shark-jumping zone known as 'attract > male viewers'. Last night had JG in two lingerie getups, > next week preview featured her in a bikini--seems like > bondage is a natural next step. I'm actually going the other way on this. I think Garner in a bikini/lingerie and the occassional tie-up without a gag is all we'll get from this show, although I'll watch next week. Did you notice the lingerie scenes were right at the start, when the Super Bowl leftover audience was biggest, and they added in the bikini promo for next week? Now they had to discuss that with Garner, or she must know she's in lingerie for the Super Bowl night episode. Off course ABC may have outsmarted themselves. Due to the idiotic post-game show running until 11:01, "Alias" received the lowest rating for a post-Super Bowl game in 15 years, only a 10.6, meaning only 25 percent of the audience from the game (40.6 rating) stuck around from 10:15 onward waiting for the Jennifer lingerie show. Garner also stars in "Daredevil" due out in February. Maybe something there. Probably not. |
| Brian W. |
| Tuesday January 28 07:20:24 2003 24 DVD |
| Does anyone have 24 Season 1 on DVD? According to IMDB, it includes two alternate endings, both centering arround the fate of Terri (Leslie Hope.) |
| Cody |
| Tuesday January 28 07:33:25 2003 Dragnet |
| Just some idle speculation.
Was that tool box really 1/3 full of DID pics ?? What happened to them ??? |
| Jacot |
| Tuesday January 28 08:42:17 2003 Re: Night Trap |
| > > > Does anyone remember this Full Motion Video game
> > starring > > > Dana Plato? There really was nothing...I suffered through that game all the way to the end. At the end, if you let the bad guys get her, they simply grabbed her arm and dragged her away through a door. Not even a hand gag, she's calling for you to help as she's dragged away. |
| Steven |
| Tuesday January 28 10:45:40 2003 Crossing Jordan |
| Saw last night that next week's Crossing Jordan is about the Boston Strangler. They showed a short clip of a scene with a woman having both her wrists held tightly in the hand of a man (a look that I love) and I was wondering if anyone had heard if there was going to be anything of interest in this ep? |
| jessi |
| jarbabyj@yahoo.com |
| http://www.firehousex.com |
| Tuesday January 28 11:32:37 2003 Japanese DiD anime website |
| I do not know if anyone in here as ever mentioned this website before.
http://bindherupx.net |
| Rich |
| bindherupx@yahoo.com |
| http://www.ume.sakura.ne.jp/~harumido/top.html |
| Tuesday January 28 11:44:26 2003 Re: Japanese DiD anime website |
| > I do not know if anyone in here as ever mentioned this
> website before. > > http://bindherupx.net Where's the anime? I see computer generated images, but no cartoons. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Tuesday January 28 12:47:10 2003 Veritas? |
| Anyone bother checking this one out? Having watched the ads, and seen it described by one reviewer as "...“Raiders of the Lost Ark” as told by a slow 9th-grader on Sominex...", I sorta gave it a miss, but is there any indication there might be fun, games, and hijinks ahead? |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound |
| Tuesday January 28 14:03:17 2003 Re: Veritas? |
| is > there any indication there might be fun, games, and hijinks ahead?
Hey Jeb, the regular girl is a super hottie, and it is a bit like Indiana Jones, but nothing close in episode 1 and preview did not look promising because they go to the artic and there is a lot of ice climbing and such, very outdoorsy. |
| Tuesday January 28 14:30:41 2003 Re: Tapemaster's Post |
| > We need to
> get the message out there May want to look at it this way Tapemaster? The general public hasn't interfered with Mainstream scenes, nor our group here in passing them around/posting them, etc. Therefore, not bothering us, so no need to explain anything to them either. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 28 14:38:28 2003 THE NEVADAN (1950) |
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This airs Wednesday morning at 450 on AMC (running time listed at 81' ... I assume that doesn't account for ads). There *was* a scene with Dorothy Malone with her wrists bound to a saddlehorn atop her horse that came in around the 65' mark during a two-hour presentation on TNT. Allen Marburger's listings mention a gag but caution that it might be missing from TV showings, as indeed was the case. This was discussed some time back when it aired on AMC, but I can't recall the upshot. Was she gagged in that version? Thanks in advance. |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Tuesday January 28 17:30:36 2003 Re: Tapemaster's Post |
| > > We need to
> > get the message out there > > May want to look at it this way Tapemaster? > > The general public hasn't interfered with Mainstream > scenes, nor our group here in passing them around/posting > them, etc. > Therefore, not bothering us, so no need to explain > anything to them either. I'm just saying that we should reach out to all the other guys out there who are like us but don't admit it. I think there are a lot of them. I also think that they would be glad to find out about us. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 28 20:17:21 2003 Todd |
| I saw your response, but I'm not going down the same road I did when 'Anna' came in here awhile back trying to drum up publicity for her site by flaming Jerry from TAG Video. |
| Jacot |
| Tuesday January 28 20:40:54 2003 Re: Todd |
| > I saw your response, but I'm not going down the same road
> I did when 'Anna' came in here awhile back trying to drum > up publicity for her site by flaming Jerry from TAG > Video. 1)I'm not Anna. She's got bigger tits than me. 2)I'm not selling a bloody thing. Nor am I trying to drum up publicity for anything. Hell, I don't even begin filming my next film for another two months. 3)I'm simply coming from the standpoint of a person who works damn hard at what he does, works harder still for what he can get, and knows the meaning of the word gratitude. Everytime I read of a conspiracy theory or a constant whine about a scene that was begged for for years, I wanna hit the roof. Mostly because the theories are either asinine or because the people doing all the crying are plain out ingrates. I suspect Brian has a rough idea of what I'm talking about to. He's spent a lot of time working on this site and taken a lot of abuse for doing the job he does, even though I personally consider him the fairest moderator on the net. Maybe he'll delete this post. Maybe he'll delete the whole thread, though I think at least some interesting discussion was actually had from it. If he does, I'll know he'll only be doing what he considers his job and I won't hold a grudge. Though I wonder how many of you tomorrow might come in and type "Brian, how dare you delete that thread!" I tend to think some of those things that have been said in reference to Brian's moderation, later followed by these comments on conspiracy theories and such are what really set me off. Especially since many of the same people making the comments about Brian are the ones with the half-cocked theories about scenes they feel they're owed. Last time: If you can't appreciate what you've got, better go out and get what you can appreciate! |
| Todd 3-D |
| todd3d@yahoo.com |
| http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com |
| Tuesday January 28 20:49:28 2003 Holy Grails |
| There has been a little discussion about Holy Grails lately.
What exactly makes something a Holy Grail, is it a: 1. Specific Actress 2. Specific scene type [comical, serious, escape challenge, hogtie, spreadeagle, etc] 3. Unique/Unexpected scene [ie Lucy and Ethel back to back in the candy store, Eve Arden tied on the couch making gag noises even though she isn't gagged] 4. Unique materials/equipment used [ballgag, computer wiring harness, stick bit gag and vines, etc] 5. First time something happened in a mainstream movie [ballgag, visible mouth packing, topless, nudity, etc] 6. Something viewed only once a long time ago 7. Something only known from a Vidcap or photo 8. Combination of the above, ie 1960s Elizabeth Taylor hogtied in her "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof" slip [no such scene, just an example] Any others ?? |
| Jacot |
| Tuesday January 28 21:06:02 2003 Todd/Conspiracy Theories |
| Agree with Todd 1000000000000000% about the job Brian does here, been saying so for years.
The only discussion type group/board that came anywhere close to this one in having a owner/operator who clearly defined and enforced the rules was the Yahoo Club 'Bondage In Everyday Life' run by UHUH CLEM and that didn't survive the switch to Yahoo Groups. It is functioning now as a seperate site and CLEM is still doing a great job keeping the pics on topic, bt it is now pretty much a photo site. Brian is the sole example of what a good moderator/owner/operator of a discussion group should be. If I want laughable conspiracy theories I go to the USENET groups, not here. |
| Jacot |
| Tuesday January 28 21:17:15 2003 Re: Rerun Stuff |
| > The Western Channel (Encore Westerns) has picked up
> "Alias Smith and Jones". Yeehaw! Thanks CM. Where did you read this? I couldn't find anything on Encore Westerns website. > And ABC Family has picked up repeats of "King Of > Queens", "Malcolm In The Middle" and "The Gilmore > Girls". Yeah, I know that none of these three shows has > produced a scene but I'm still dreaming of a > mother/daughter hogtie on "The Gilmore Girls". I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see? |
| MadFish |
| Tuesday January 28 21:39:02 2003 Re: Rerun Stuff |
| > I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else
> have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see? The daughter on 8 Simple Rules springs to mind for some reason. |
| Todd 3-D |
| todd3d@yahoo.com |
| http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com |
| Tuesday January 28 21:39:38 2003 Re: Holy Grails |
| > There has been a little discussion about Holy Grails
> lately. > > What exactly makes something a Holy Grail? From my long dormant site: A "Holy Grail" describes a scene that greatly affected you when you were young, and that you have searched for over the years. What elements exactly constitute a Holy Grail scene vary from person-to-person. They are certainly rarer these days than in the pre-VCR, pre-Internet days. |
| Brian L |
| westy@asianavenue.com |
| Tuesday January 28 21:48:15 2003 Movie-Two Coyotes |
| Has anybody here seen the film Two Coyotes? The DVD case shows an attractive Latina woman tied up, and sporting a thick cleave gag. I'm just wondering if it delivers a scene, and if so if the scene is any good. Since I've been taken in by false advertising on video covers before, I'm wondering whether it's worth the money. And, yes I've checked the database.
If anyone can help, thanks in advance. |
| KSwolf |
| Tuesday January 28 21:59:38 2003 Not ADIOS AMOR |
| The early-AM Monday Mexican movie I wanted the title for was not the one Philly Ed mentioned on his site. The one I saw was a sort of action-comedy. A buxom woman with light brown hair wearing a military-style suit (dark double-breasted jacket with brass buttons and braids on the sleeves, skirt, dark stockings and black low-heeled shoes) is shown tied to a chair and sports a blue knotted cleave-gag.
The hero sees her through a window, and she tries to warn him of an armed man hiding under the window. She nods at the unseen man and is shown (in close-up) chewing on the knot between her teeth... It's played for laughs. The hero doesn't seem to take her plight seriously. When the comical hero finally rescues her, he kneels down and unties her feet, then reaches around her waist to free her hands, pressing the side of his head against her considerable bosom. |
| LatinaFan |
| Tuesday January 28 22:11:20 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
| > Now let's drop these whiny posts or I'll drop them for
> you. Get on to some constructive topics. Apparently, people didn't understand this phrase. The post containing this was by The Moderator, and meant what it said, move on. People didn't, so posts had to die. |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday January 28 22:20:43 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
| > > Now let's drop these whiny posts or I'll drop them for
> > you. Get on to some constructive topics. > > Apparently, people didn't understand this phrase. > The post containing this was by The Moderator, and > meant what it said, move on. People didn't, so posts > had to die. Well Jeezo-Pete, mebbe if you had just said that instead of bellowing out your own opinions on the matter first people would've gotten the message better. In the future, post your opinions under a different, like name or something, and keep your rulings short and sweet. |
| Brian R |
| Tuesday January 28 22:26:05 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
| > Well Jeezo-Pete, mebbe if you had just said that instead
> of bellowing out your own opinions on the matter first > people would've gotten the message better. > > In the future, post your opinions under a different, > like > name or something, and keep your rulings short and sweet. LOL! Brian, you are positively schizophrenic! But we love you all the same. Brian W--you and I actually had an intelligent debate going on. I freely invite you over to Anything Goes to continue it. I enjoy a good intelligent debate. Anyone else with input is welcome as well. |
| Todd 3-D |
| todd3d@yahoo.com |
| http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com |
| Tuesday January 28 22:27:03 2003 Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE? |
| Get on to some constructive topics.
Alexandra Holden in Wishcraft!!! Tied in a Standing Spreadeagle Is ANY damsel hotter??? :O She would look INCREDIBLE gagged (maybe next time) :( |
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| Snowcat |
| Tuesday January 28 22:29:13 2003 Re: Holy Grails |
| > There has been a little discussion about Holy Grails
> lately. > > What exactly makes something a Holy Grail, is it a: > 6. Something viewed only once a long time ago This is the classic one, for us old guys that saw things in the Days Before VCRs. > 7. Something only known from a Vidcap or photo This came about not too much longer, when the Bound For Hollywood column started with stills and caps. The combination of these two were the ones that drove the coining of the term. |
| Brian R |
| Tuesday January 28 22:31:44 2003 Rescue Maiden |
| Somebody at Lionel Trains has a Dudley Doright fixation, bless 'em. The 2003 Vol 1 catalog just came out, and guess what's on page 100? Gotta order one of these!
Check it out: http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/cat-2003-c-1/pgs-100-101.htm Now, if I could only find one of those "Spy's-a-Poppin" games... |
| Rich McGill |
| Tuesday January 28 22:44:25 2003 Re: Rerun Stuff |
| > I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else
> have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see? I've had a crush on Helen Hunt ever since "Twister" and would LOVE to see her tied & gagged!! |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Tuesday January 28 23:11:41 2003 Re: Rerun Stuff |
| > I'm hoping for a Leah Rimini scene myself. Anyone else
> have a favorite sitcom actress they'd like to see? Jami Gertz, from that new sitcom... that I can't think of the name right now. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 28 23:12:06 2003 Re: Rescue Maiden |
| > Somebody at Lionel Trains has a Dudley Doright fixation,
> bless 'em. The 2003 Vol 1 catalog just came out, and > guess what's on page 100? Gotta order one of these! > > Check it out: Interesting, but it appears that unfortunately, the fair maiden is not part of the kit. |
| LV |
| Tuesday January 28 23:17:55 2003 Re: Rescue Maiden |
| > Interesting, but it appears that unfortunately, the fair
> maiden is not part of the kit. Fair maiden sold separately. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 28 23:30:24 2003 Re: Holy Grails |
| > From my long dormant site: A "Holy Grail" describes a
> scene that greatly affected you when you were young, and > that you have searched for over the years. Good definition. When I was a kid, I saw the commercial for Vegas "Mixed Blessing". It had a three second shot of the gagged girl in the phonebooth. That was all I saw of that scene, didn't know what else there was to it. I never got the title or anything. I never saw reruns of Vegas until years later, and never saw the episode. I still didn't that scene was from that show. 20 years later and I never came across it. A couple of years ago by chance I read a description of the scene so I knew it was from Vegas, and picked it up recently in a trade. Turned out to be a great lengthy scene. Anyway, that was my holy grail. I don't think any other scene will ever be that hard to find, so I wouldn't call them my grails. |
| Anubis |
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