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| Wednesday February 12 00:05:02 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| > > > Who is a better
> > damsel in distress in Superman productions? Noel Neill > or Terri Hatcher? > > Phyllis Coates, by a country mile. I agree. Phyllis Coates was the best Lois Lane in my opinion. It is too bad that she didn't stay with the show. Her bound and gagged scene in "Night of Terror" had a great close-up. As far as Noel Neill goes, I think her best bound-and-gagged scene was actually in the 1948 SUPERMAN movie serial, where a bomb is about to explode. The one in "Perils of Superman" where she was gagged and tied to the railroad tracks was great too. Teri Hatcher had some good scenes. My favorite is "Dead Lois Walking" where she is bound and gagged in the bell tower. I really don't know who would make the best Lois Lane now. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 00:14:09 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| > I really don't know who would make the best Lois Lane now.
Of course! I just mentioned her earlier tonight. Liz Vassey would make a great Lois Lane! Some of you may remember her as the actress who played "American Maid" (or rather the character based on her) from the short lived live-action "The Tick." |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 00:41:11 2003 Conan O'Brien possibility |
| I just saw a preview for tonight's "Late Night with Conan O'Brien." They are doing a sketch where an attractive female audience member speaks "out of turn." Conan yells "Detain her!" and we see two security guards grabbing her out of her seat. We will have to see what happens. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 00:55:54 2003 Re: Conan O'Brien possibility |
| > I just saw a preview for tonight's "Late Night with Conan
> O'Brien." They are doing a sketch where an attractive > female audience member speaks "out of turn." Conan yells > "Detain her!" and we see two security guards grabbing her > out of her seat. We will have to see what happens. No bondage. The security guards take her off stage and then we hear gunshots implying that she has been executed. The premise of the sketch was "debunking the myths of Late Night." Conan "reveals" that the show seceded from the USA in 1998 and is actually now the small independent nation of Latenightia for tax purposes. A female audience member doesn't believe him so Conan has her executed. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 01:51:35 2003 Next week's "Buffy" |
| Previews for next week's "Buffy" show SMG in chains (bolted to the ground). Since it was all quick-cuts, there might be more. |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound |
| Wednesday February 12 05:28:17 2003 Lois Lane |
| > Yes, Courtney would make a great Lois! Actually, I like Courtney in anything at all. . . :)
----------- Agreed, Courteney Cox's blue eyes would look great peering over the Gags that the Lois Lane role entails. The possible obstacle I see to my wishlist would be that if Hollywood wanted to go with a twenty-something Superman, they would also likely try to cast a twenty-something Lois. Margot Kidder also made a good Lois Lane in the Superman movies -- it seems that that Hollywood hasn't made a serious misstep in its various TV and movie castings of Lois thru the years. Then again, casting the Lois part is pretty straightforward, whereas her co-star has to be convincing both as "Superman" and as "Clark Kent". |
| Kinky-napper |
| Wednesday February 12 08:18:35 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| Terry Farrell was by FAR the hottest babe ever to play Lois Lane. I've seen Farrell in a couple of her erotic thriller scenes, and she is definitely the possessor of a pornbody -- nice womanly curves everywhere. Whereas Neill and Coates were kinda sticklike in comparison. Plus, Farreel has great eyes -- huge, luminous, very feminine. Really, she's gonna be hard to beat. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday February 12 08:30:05 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| > Terry Farrell was by FAR the hottest babe ever to play
> Lois Lane. {Snip} ======= Pat, was there an episode of Deep Space Nine I missed? You mean Teri "Howie!" Hatcher, of course, & I agree with you completely. :-) (I liked her best early in *L&C* when she had her hair in that floppy pageboy. {sigh}) |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Wednesday February 12 09:31:34 2003 Re: Delete post report |
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> > S-O-O-O-O... let me see now. This show, albeit a "sucky > > > one," is on a national TV channel > > > The decision I came to was that it didn't fit with the > theme of the page> > Agreed, but at the same time it seems that some leeway could have applied here. It WAS a big mainstream happening (and BTW, I didn't even watch this crap) and it appeared to be close enough to the "theme of this page" to be included. Hell, there's lots of things allowed that are far less "on topic." Believe it or not, my post was meant to be a constructive bit of fromadistance commentary. > Old-timers have always dropped away because they've > played out the old topics. > Maybe, or maybe not. In my own case, I've been here since the beginning in 1996 and still try to check the site out whenever possible. I'm NOT bored by the repetition... always interested in NEW opinions/interpretations. > And I think you have your head up your ass.>> Curiously, your response to my posting (up to this above sentence) was reasonably polite and attempted to justify your actions, whether I agree with them or not. Why the above "your head up your ass" was added doesn't flatter, I don't think. At any rate, thanks for your reply. |
| no trekkie |
| Wednesday February 12 09:38:55 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| I always really enjoyed the comic book Lois Lane from the early 1970s. She got knocked out and tied up quite often,and she wore fairly skimpy clothing! |
| gytalf2000 |
| Wednesday February 12 10:55:05 2003 OLTL |
| She looked much sexier when tied up in her underwear. |
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| Wednesday February 12 10:56:35 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
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> > . > > As one of the few (VERY few > I know) around here who happen to kinda like the "stuff > gag", I like the scene so far...hope more follows! > To me, stuff gags more signify a damsel's total > helplessness & submissiveness to her captor...she can > spit it out, yes, but doesn't. That facet of the > situation always adds to it for me, the submissiveness to > the bad guy. Also, something about the fact that a grown > woman can be so easily made silent by simply stuffing a > cloth into her mouth. Oh well, maybe it's just me.....! :-) I agree. The stuff gag is not truly a "gag" It is a symbol. It is a reflection of his dominance and her submission, and in that regard, it is sexy. Yes she can spit it out, but she doesn't. She chooses to remain silent. It's a different form of bondage, that's all it is. It isn't as good as a great gag, but its better than no gag. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 11:03:58 2003 John Doe |
| Ashes to Ashes : Karen is kidnapped by a secret group, and John is prompted to return to Horseshoe Island.
------------------------------------------------------ Secret groups don't make very good kidnappers. They usually keep captives locked in a room. |
| Wednesday February 12 11:06:24 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| Yes, I meant Teri Hatcher not Teri Ferrell. Hatcher was really memorable in an erotic thriller called "Cool Surface" in which she wore a white dress which was very short and very tight, straining desperately to hold in all the womanly goodness beneath it. (Later, she does a nude scene and we got to see why it was straining.) I've found a cap to the shot of her in the dress, it's kinda blurry but does make the point. It's linked to rather than shown because Terri's not in bondage in the shot.
I defy Coates or Neill to look anywhere near this sexy. (It wasn't allowed back in the 50s anyway.) |
| Pat Powers |
| http://www.jollyroper.com/1extras/teridress.jpg |
| Wednesday February 12 11:17:54 2003 Saturday's 'The District' |
| Debreno is assigned to protect a popular singer who has received multiple death threats. Country singer Lee Ann Womack guest stars.
- Might be worth taping. |
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| Wednesday February 12 11:31:50 2003 Re: OLTL |
| Stuff gags suck
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| Wednesday February 12 11:36:54 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > > To me, stuff gags more signify a damsel's total
> > helplessness & submissiveness to her captor...she can > > spit it out, yes, but doesn't. That facet of the > > situation always adds to it for me, the submissiveness > to > > the bad guy. Also, something about the fact that a > grown > > woman can be so easily made silent by simply stuffing a > > > cloth into her mouth. With the understanding that it's all ultimately a matter of taste and no one's going to come up with a rational reason why one form of bondage is "better" than another, I have to disagree on this point. To me, a stuff gag is all wrong for DiD scene because it is technically consensual -- the damsel is voluntarily not spitting it out in a situation where it may be very much in her interest to do so (as in this instance, yelling out some clue to her location to the guy on the other end of the phone). It's actually kind of demeaning to the damsel when you think about it -- would anyone expect a male captive not to spit out a stuff gag and yell for help at an opportune moment? But I don't even like stuff gags in consensual scenes because to me they indicate less submission than real gags. There's a certain amount of bargaining implied here -- "You don't need to tie that gag in place, I'll hold it in my mouth, I promise." And bargaining isn't really submission. The next step down that road is "being gagged by her master's will" which some RL couples engage in, in which the woman is not physically gagged but cannot make a sound without her master's permission. There are people who say that this indicates even more submission than wearing a gag, but I don't buy that one, either. It seems to me that a damsel who is actually gagged and/or bound so that she is physically helpless in fact as well as in theory, has submitted to her captor's will to a much greater extent than one who is not, however steadfast her willingness to pretend gaggage and bondage. To me, real submission means submitting to wear the gag, or the bonds, and all this "voluntary" stuff is just "topping from below." That said, it's all still a matter of taste. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday February 12 11:47:57 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| > > I defy Coates or Neill to look anywhere near this sexy.
> (It wasn't allowed back in the 50s anyway.) If you put Coates in that outfit, she'd do very well up against Hatcher. Hatcher was hotter in her prime, but her Lois days extended well past her prime. Coates had the whole package. She had a great figure, despite someone's comments that she was like a stick. She had a tremendous figure. It was covered up by period clothing. She emoted and played the damsel very realisticly, unlike Hatcher, who is not a great actress to begin with. All in all, Coates rules. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 12:22:29 2003 Re: OLTL |
| I've got a banter up with a couple more caps of the Feb. 10 ep of One Life to Live. Click the homepage link to see 'em.
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| Pat Powers |
| http://www.jollyroper.com/banter/soapytown.html |
| Wednesday February 12 13:23:36 2003 Re: OLTL |
| I don't know if it has been mentioned here before, but there's a clip of the scene here:
http://www.bindher.com/bullboard/index.html -Thanks a lot guys for hearing my prayers! |
| Per |
| Wednesday February 12 13:35:44 2003 Re: OLTL |
| -and you should, of course, go to "daytime damsels".
(Thanks Pat for a very funny banter) |
| Per |
| Wednesday February 12 13:47:03 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > Actually, a gag stuffed into an actress' mouth expands as
> it absorbs saliva, and becomes rather difficult to spit > out. That is nonsense. But I agree with the "submission" thing a couple of guys mentioned above. |
| Per |
| Wednesday February 12 13:53:07 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > That is nonsense.
My apologies, was too hasty, I did not mean to be abusive or inpolite. Should have written "I do not interely agree" or something..... |
| Per |
| Wednesday February 12 14:03:05 2003 Re: Per's Post |
| > The Moderator
> Why hesitate now? > > Ha,ha! You know what would happen! |
| Per |
| Wednesday February 12 15:26:47 2003 Re: OLTL |
| > She looked much sexier when tied up in her underwear.
'by the way, I really like the fact that we know what she is wearing under her clothes. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 15:35:53 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > Besides, the reason that you mentioned is why there are
> so many tape gags. You can put them on and off very quickly. Tape over the mouth is actually much more realistic, too. When I hear of true crime stories where someone is silenced it seems to always be with duct tape. |
| Wednesday February 12 15:45:57 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > > Besides, the reason that you mentioned is why there are
> > > so many tape gags. You can put them on and off very > quickly. > > Tape over the mouth is actually much more realistic, too. > When I hear of true crime stories where someone is > silenced it seems to always be with duct tape. Duct tape is easily purchased from a hardware store, and is simlply placed securely over the damsel's mouth. There is a physical danger that accompanies stuffing a cloth into a damsel's mouth, and that is getting the fingers bitten, which can be painful. |
| Hadji |
| Wednesday February 12 15:57:03 2003 Re: OLTL |
| > > She looked much sexier when tied up in her underwear.
> > 'by the way, I really like the fact that we know what she > is wearing under her clothes. Yeah! ...& under her undies... SHE'S NEKKID!!! ;-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Wednesday February 12 17:11:27 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| Coates is by far the best Lois on film. She came across as kind of a tough girl - one you wouldn't want to mess with. When she was bound and gagged, she looked pissed off and annoyed, which is very exciting. Too bad she didn't have more scenes.
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| Nelson |
| Wednesday February 12 17:12:39 2003 VIP |
| I watched a rerun of "VIP" last night on TNN that featured a brief bondage scene. A lovely young woman was bound and gagged and stashed in the trunk of a car. She was a hotel guest, and the villains aho bound and gagged her occupied her room.
I recall that Fuzz had a Didclip of this scene on his Website, but didn't know the episode in which it occurred. Well, Fuzz, I can help you answer your question. The episode occurred during the first or second season, most likely the first, and if you can find out which episode TNN aired last night, on February 12, at 1AM PST, then you'll know its title. |
| Hadji |
| Wednesday February 12 17:45:02 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > Actually, a gag stuffed into an actress' mouth expands as
> it absorbs saliva, and becomes rather difficult to spit > out. It is also a more effective gag than one tied over > the mouth. True in general, but in this scene she is simply holding the cloth between her teeth. |
| Paul |
| Wednesday February 12 17:50:34 2003 Re: OLTL 2.12.03 |
| > I've got a banter up with a couple more caps of the Feb.
> 10 ep of One Life to Live. So today she burns the ropes with a candle with her new captors, and is about to escape. The good thing is they will probably retie her; hopefully better than before. |
| Wednesday February 12 18:00:54 2003 Re: OLTL 2.12.03 |
| > > I've got a banter up with a couple more caps of the
> Feb. > > 10 ep of One Life to Live. > > So today she burns the ropes with a candle with her new > captors, and is about to escape. The good thing is they > will probably retie her; hopefully better than before. And Todd has shown up to grab Natalie, while Mitch is stalking Jen at her hospital bed, although this one may just be a dream. |
| Brian W. |
| Wednesday February 12 18:08:12 2003 Scene ID |
| Frank,
Of the two unknown scenes on your TV page, the one on the left is Diane McBain being ungagged in "Par-A-Kee" from Surfside 6. Scene Database # 1999, first aired 11-7-1960. |
| Wednesday February 12 19:19:23 2003 Hog-Ties and Literature |
| Nice combo |
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| Wednesday February 12 19:55:34 2003 Blair |
| Who is the actress that plays Blair on One Life To Live? Also, will she gettied up again tomorrow? I can't stand seeing a damsel escape. |
| Wednesday February 12 19:56:10 2003 Re: OLTL |
| > > > She looked much sexier when tied up in her
> underwear. > > > > 'by the way, I really like the fact that we know what > she > > is wearing under her clothes. I have to say, this is a very odd kidnap situation. So the bad guy kidnaps Blair, strips her to her undies (nice to look at, but why on earth did he do that???) to tie her to a railing to make a phone call, then gets her dressed again to take her someplace else. Although Kassie looks totally hot in her skivies, I can't imagine why, except to give us males a bit of eye candy, would he strip her down to make a phone call. I guess the same reasoning (whatever it was) that Jamie Luner got stripped to HER undies before being tied up on Melrose Place. maybe it's a gesture on the part of the kidnapper to make the damsel even more vulnerable (but then, why dress her again to take her to the hideout?) AAARRGG! SO MANY QUESTIONS!! Maybe I shouldn't think about it so much & just enjoy the scenery! :-) |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Wednesday February 12 20:31:02 2003 Re: Blair |
| > Who is the actress that plays Blair on One Life To Live?
Kassie DePaiva. Incidently, her husband, James DePaiva plays "Max" on the show as well. > Also, will she gettied up again tomorrow? I can't stand > seeing a damsel escape. Dunno. |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Wednesday February 12 20:58:30 2003 Re: Delete post report |
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> > The decision I came to was that it didn't fit with the > > theme of the page > > Agreed, but at the same time it seems that some leeway > could have applied here. There *was* leeway applied. I allowed all the initial posts on the matter to remain rather than deleting them. However, once I decided they were inappropriate for the page and said so, then there was little point in allowing them. > It WAS a big mainstream > happening (and BTW, I didn't even watch this crap) and it > appeared to be close enough to the "theme of this page" > to be included. Not your call to make. > Hell, there's lots of things allowed that > are far less "on topic." Believe it or not, my post was > meant to be a constructive bit of fromadistance > commentary. Name some. > > Old-timers have always dropped away because they've > > played out the old topics. > > > Maybe, or maybe not. In my own case, I've been here since > the beginning in 1996 and still try to check the site out > whenever possible. I'm NOT bored by the repetition... > always interested in NEW opinions/interpretations. > > > > > > And I think you have your head up your ass.>> > > Curiously, your response to my posting (up to this above > sentence) was reasonably polite and attempted to justify > your actions, whether I agree with them or not. Why the > above "your head up your ass" was added doesn't flatter, > I don't think. I wasn't particularly excited by your whole mealy-mouthed "Maybe it's NOT a coincidence that oldtimers DON'T spend much time on this site anymore" and "Otherwise, I think you need a vacation from this" bullshit. You've been here since 1996? I've been here since the beginning. I'm getting pretty FUCKING tired of people taking shots at me for doing my job. You could have made your objection without implying that my judgment is faulty. |
| The Moderator |
| Wednesday February 12 21:02:15 2003 Re: Per's Post |
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> > The Moderator > > Why hesitate now? > Ha,ha! You know what would happen! My point is that you haven't had any reluctance to post over there about other things. |
| The Moderator |
| Wednesday February 12 21:14:07 2003 Re: OLTL |
| > AAARRGG! SO MANY QUESTIONS!!
> Maybe I shouldn't think about it so much & just enjoy the scenery! :-) Forget it, JP ... it's Soapytown. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday February 12 22:16:15 2003 Re: OLTL |
| >I guess the same
> reasoning (whatever it was) that Jamie Luner got stripped > to HER undies before being tied up on Melrose Place. > maybe it's a gesture on the part of the kidnapper to make > the damsel even more vulnerable Jamie Luner was stripped because Rena Sofer was wearing her clothes and a wig to impersonate Jamie and to fool Michael. So at least there was a reason Jamie was stripped. The Blair stripped scene makes no sense storywise, since Mitch had no intention of assaulting her, just threatening Todd, who couldn't see Blair anyway since he was on the phone. |
| Brian W. |
| Wednesday February 12 22:17:07 2003 Re: One Life To Live - Dumb Dumb! |
| > With the understanding that it's all ultimately a matter
> of taste and no one's going to come up with a rational > reason why one form of bondage is "better" than another, > I have to disagree on this point. > > To me, a stuff gag is all wrong for DiD scene because it > is technically consensual -- the damsel is voluntarily > not spitting it out in a situation where it may be very > much in her interest to do so (as in this instance, > yelling out some clue to her location to the guy on the > other end of the phone). Well stated, Pat! As a general rule, a mainstream DID scene is not a "consentual" scene in any sense of the word, and ineffective, consntual stuff gags just don't cut it, IMO. While cloth OTM "detective" style gags are also often ineffective, they conceivably could be relatively effective if they are tied tightly enough. A stuff gag can be spit out shorly after being put in, and there is little reason that a damsel in a conventional DID scene would not do so in most, if not all situations. I am also am not crazy about the way stuff gags look, and am also sympathetic to your other points concerning consentual scenes. However, but my comments directed to those points would probably not be appropriate here. As for the best Lois Lane debate, I agree that Coates made a great Lois. However, she only played the role for one season, and had only one scene, albeit a very good multi-damsel one. Hence, I question whetether it is really fair to compare her to Terry Hatcher and Noel Neal both as Lois, and especially as a DID. Between, Noel and Terry, I lean towards Terry as the better DID. IMO, she had more diverse array of bondage scenes and a much better variety of gags. However, I have to acknowledge that a lot of it has to do twith the times in which they each played the role. |
| mornad |
| mornad4@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday February 12 23:29:16 2003 Re: Lois Lane |
| > I defy Coates or Neill to look anywhere near this sexy.
Aren't you being a bit biased there Pat old buddy ?? Do you have access to photos you could share of Coates and Neill in similar costumes ??? Besides, dress material like the one Teri's was made of just wasn't available back in the early 50s. Not to mention that most DIDCAPS of Coates and Neill are grainy black and white photos from low res kinescopes, while Teri's are generally in color and much higher res captures. Even the best quality black and white photo pales in comparison to a color version of the same shot. It is like comparing the black and white photos of the beautiful Honor Blackman as Cathy Gale with the color photos of Diana Riggs as Emma Peel and saying Diana was better looking. Compare the black and white last season of Honor and the following black and white season of Diana and it is very obvious that Diana was just trying to carry on what Honor pioneered, but without her physical attributes, same wit and chemistry with Patrick, but not the same kind of beauty as Honor. The Encore Mystery Channel is now running the Blackman segments, the first Riggs segments [in black and white] should be following shortly, compare for yourself. Rent 'Goldfinger' and see just how great Honor looks in color. It is just like asking who was the best 'Big Man' in basketball, George Mikan from the 1950s Minneaoplis Lakers [the NBA rewrote the rules to end his dominance of the game], or, Shaq who gets mega international media coverage now. |
| Jacot |
| Wednesday February 12 23:30:57 2003 Re: Per's Post |
| to the moderator! this page is cool and I like that you edit it and keep a structure. I do not like "anything goes" so I just do not go there,but I think this is a great page and I would feel a big loss if it was gone. Keep up the good work. I keep my name out cause I do not want to seem like a sycophant.
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| me |
| Wednesday February 12 23:43:04 2003 Re: OLTL 2.12.03 |
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> So today she burns the ropes with a candle with her new > captors, and is about to escape. The good thing is they > will probably retie her; hopefully better than before. Don't hold your breath these guys look your typical idiot soap underlings, they probably couldn't outwit a two year old. Blair will probably kick the bejesus out of them. Our best hope is that Mitch shows up before she can outwith these lummoxes. |
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