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Monday March 03 00:03:45 2003
Boomtown ballgag DiD
OK, we could have hoped for a better-lit DiD .. and a younger DiD ... and definitely a more attractive DiD of the same age ... but anyway, she IS the first ballgagged damsel in a network TV show.
http://www.jollyroper.com/1extras/boomballgag1.jpg
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 00:47:46 2003
Re: Elvira
> Does anyone besides me think Cassandra Peterson is hot in
> her Elvira character? I caught the Elvira's Haunted Hills
> movie ...and there were a few interesting scenes...

I have a soft spot for Gothic girls sometimes, and Ms. Peterson has a bod and a half besides. Moreover, I have the distinct impression that she doesn't mind being tied up once in a while. Besides all the scenes you mention, in the first Elvira movie she was tied to a stake (to be burned).

Not only that, but back in the 1980s I was watching either somebody's variety show or some kind of Halloween special, and Cassandra/Elvira was a guest. In one bit, they did their own "music video" with lots of fast images while playing Michel Jackson's song "Thriller." At one point there was a very brief flase of Elvira tied to a chair, twisting to turn her face away from the camera in an "I'm such a helpess distressed damsel!" fashion. The scene lasted about half a second, and when it appeared you heard a wolf howl (I don't recall whether that sound effect is in "Thriller" or they added it.) I *think* Elvira's hands were tied behind her, and her ankles were each tied to a chair leg. She *may* have been "tied" with chain. No gag.

She really needs to have a complete, gagged scene.
WK
wknt@hotmail.com
Monday March 03 01:29:47 2003
Re: Nightmare in Columbia County
> > Has anyone else seen this movie, maybe on
> > another channel, with the scene intact? I wouldn't
> think
> > Lifetime would edit a movie made specifically for
> > Lifetime, but I guess they saw fit to. Bummer!!!
> Grrr!
>
> I taped it when it first aired, the scene wasn't in the
> original broadcast.
I agree. I doubt they ever shown the damsel in question. Seeing this scene on two seperate occasions on two seperate networks, her face nor any part of her body is ever shown. This movie should be taken from the database to avoid waste of VCR tape space.

Big Lebowski
Monday March 03 09:31:39 2003
Virtual Prey Trailer
>Address.

For Linux users who are unable to view the trailer, because APPLE Inc refused to release QT browser plugin for Linux:

http://lightsout.bla-bla.com/random/vp/teaser.mov

http://lightsout.bla-bla.com/random/vp/trailer.mov

http://lightsout.bla-bla.com/random/vp/trailer2.mov

http://lightsout.bla-bla.com/random/vp/featurette.mov
asian
Monday March 03 10:16:00 2003
Disappointing scenes?
I was looking through some old tapes recently and came across several scenes with actresses that, before they did a scene, they were high on my wish-list. Only I didn't care much for them as DiDs, even though the scene set-ups were decent to good. Anyone else got a disappointment list that might surprise? I've got a couple that might stun.

Courteney Cox: This one I don't get. She's stunning, but I think she's more attractive when not tied up and gagged. Her two scenes were quick but they did have nice closeups. They just didn't do much for me.

Jennifer Garner: Maybe if something happenes on "Alias" it'll look better, but her two scenes were disappointing, especially the setups, bubblewrap gagged and red tape (the worst kind of tape).

Carolyn Dunn: She was the attractive redhead on "Sweating Bullets" from the CBS' late-night series in the early 1990s. I waited two years for her to get gagged, and when she finally did, despite a great setup, she just didn't look that good. I wanted a scene with her as bad as Mitzi Kapture, Janet Gunn and Michael Michele and Lise Cutter on the other CBS shows. They all delivered, and even though Kapture and Gunn were quick and distant, I still liked them better.

Cybil Sheppard: Another stunner who just didn't appeal to me when gagged on "Moonlighting."

On the soaps, blonde stunner Jensen Buchanan wins out. I thought she'd be awesome. She did two scenes on "One Life to Live," very nice setups each time, but both disappointed me and I hadn't seen the scenes for years until recently.
Brian W.
Monday March 03 10:20:09 2003
Oops, forgot one
How could I forget this one. Maybe my all-time disappointment: Yasmine Bleeth.
Brian W.
Monday March 03 10:24:26 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
> OK, we could have hoped for a better-lit DiD .. and a
> younger DiD ... and definitely a more attractive DiD of
> the same age ... but anyway, she IS the first ballgagged
> damsel in a network TV show.

Don't forget about Marge Simpson being ball-gagged on The Simpsons.

I wish the villains in 'Boomtown' could have first B&G the family with cute daughters towards the end of the show and then have had Donnie Wahlberg come in for the rescue.

Homer
Monday March 03 10:48:58 2003
Whispers In The Dark
Hello, I've been looking everywhere for a DVD version of Whispers In The Dark. Apparently Amazon doesn't have it.

Anyway, there's good scene near the end of the movie. About the scene where Ann Hecker is gagged my her psycho-client, Annabella told a female interviewer for the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain: "I spent 12 hours tied up. I was so pissed off."

Mick
Monday March 03 11:39:34 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
> Don't forget about Marge Simpson being ball-gagged on The
> Simpsons.

D'oh! I should have said, "MAJOR television network." It also occurred to me that the "King of the Hill" ep of whatever that series was with the gal ballgagged in the car trunk, but I think that series was syndicated.

> I wish the villains in 'Boomtown' could have first B&G
> the family with cute daughters towards the end of the
> show and then have had Donnie Wahlberg come in for the rescue.

Well, I think I can speak without spoiling now. The ep was really badly structured. They did a great job on the set-up: the opening established the perp's methods, then afterward the cop's investigation established just how horribly the perps treated their victims, without actually showing what they did (which they couldn't have anyway, it being network TV and all). So, why didn't they have a second home invasion going along just like the first, to build up suspense? Sure would have worked well after that nice set-up.
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 12:25:56 2003
Code 11-14
>from DB: Not mentioned on IMDB.

There is an IMDB entry about the TV Movie "Code 11-14" (2003).
But the status is "In Production".

Is this the same TV movie in the database or a re-make?
Is there any mistake on the "IMDB status"?
asian
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0353314
Monday March 03 13:14:41 2003
No bondage in Agent Cody Banks
Saw it at a preview this weekend. Big disapointment becasue there was so much potential with Hillary Duff getting kidnapped(Lizzie Macguire) and Angie Harmon as a hot CIA agent. Angie does get grabbed by some henchmen and restained by the arms but that's it. What a waste. Just an aside, Angie does look hot in her secret agent type bodysuits and at the end of the movie she's wearing this skirt and top with zippers. The zippers in her top are positioned in just a way that it looks like she has nipple rings. Don't know if this was done intentionally by wardrobe designers but I wouldn't be surprised.
Trent
Monday March 03 15:37:02 2003
Re: No bondage in Agent Cody Banks
Thanks Trent. This board is great for heads up news. I had just seen the previews and they looked promising. Now I don't have to waste one more second of thought in my already over crowded head on that stupid film. Thanks again, man.
Monday March 03 16:32:18 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
>
> D'oh! I should have said, "MAJOR television network." It
> also occurred to me that the "King of the Hill" ep of
> whatever that series was with the gal ballgagged in the
> car trunk, but I think that series was syndicated.

That was from Tales From The Crypt and was origanaly an HBO series before going to syndication.
Mark C
Monday March 03 18:08:58 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
Much as I hate to admit it, the French seem to have beat everyone to the punch in the 'Nestor Burma' series - and as a bonus, she's certainly not hard on the eyes.

http://www.geocities.com/silent_night_022003/image014.jpg
Major John
Monday March 03 18:56:53 2003
Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding
> I think the Baywatch reunion movie was a bondage extravaganza. Extremely well thought out from all angles, which I'll prolly cover in a Banter...

I'm sorry about the lack of gags, but anytime the deathtrap is a watery one, gags are unlikely.
---------
If you do a writeup, a thought that came to my mind was why the Evil captor didn't use his noggin' like the one in Walker Texas Ranger's "Return of LaRue" episode. He placed Chuck Norris in the slow, painful, and overly elaborate deathtrap. But he kept Sheree J. Wilson spread-eagled on a bed with leather cuffs, chains, and a Velcro-close leather strap Gag. And barefoot too--just so viewers knew that his intentions were less than honorable.

Similarly, Baywatch's evil captor could've placed the three guys in the deathtraps, but put the ladies to more constructive uses. Say spread-eagled on beds back on his boat -- one for himself, and one each for the two goons who did the DiD-capturing. If they were kept gagged when brought on board and placed in separate cabins, even if one should escape, as long as she was never informed that others were being held on board, her natural inclination would be to jump overboard as soon as possible, so that she wouldn't run into one of the goons onboard.

And if you were an evil captor, where would you place your monitoring cameras? On the three guys spluttering water, or on Electra, Bleeth, and Eggert writhing & mmphing back on your boat?!

Kinky-napper
Monday March 03 19:06:33 2003
Future Classic Scenes
> Which scenes from the last ten years does everyone believe will become "classics" in a decade?
------------
Walker, Texas Ranger "Return of LaRue" episode (1996).
Kinky-napper
Monday March 03 19:08:15 2003
Re: Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding
> I'm sorry about the lack of gags, but anytime the
> deathtrap is a watery one, gags are unlikely.
> ---------

Unless it's a bathtub, given such examples as Profiler and its German inspiration.
Monday March 03 19:12:22 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
It is not the first if you recall "Tails from the Crypt"



Alex Bond
http://www.sosbound.com
Monday March 03 19:21:08 2003
Disappointing scenes?
> I was looking through some old tapes recently and came across several scenes with actresses that, before they did a scene, they were high on my wish-list. Only I didn't care much for them as DiDs, even though the scene set-ups were decent to good. Anyone else got a disappointment list that might surprise?

> Cybil Sheppard: Another stunner who just didn't appeal to me when gagged on "Moonlighting."
-------------
However, I really liked Cybill Shepherd in The Yellow Rose ("Far Side of Fear" episode) 1983-1984, which she starred in before Moonlighting (1985-1989). Her scene in Yellow Rose included onscreen gagging, some mmphing, and closeups.
Kinky-napper
Monday March 03 20:42:34 2003
Primal Instinct
I just rented this DVD last night. The plot is asinine and incoherent, and seems to concern a parole officer out to avenge the murder of her sister, who was a porn star specializing in bondage.
There are a few scenes of the actress, Celia Xander, restrained with handcuffs and silenced with a ballgag, but otherwise the plot is rather lame.
Hadji
Monday March 03 20:42:40 2003
"Fear Factor" WOW!!!
Well, now I've seen just about everything! On "Fear Factor" they had a big-busted blonde fastened in a chair and sticking needles in her arm! Lots of needles! Amazing! I wonder what's next? The Rack? The Wheel? Whipped in the stocks? Notice that this is on NBC!!!!!
Hermango
hermango@hotmail.com
Monday March 03 21:11:42 2003
Scenes
Does anyone have any caps of these scenes. Or even a movie? If so could you either e-mail me or post to the message board. Thanx

Title: F/X, The Series
Actress: Leelee Sobieski
Description: Episode: "Thin Air" aka "Evil Eye" (2.15)

This cute teenager is kidnapped by some bad guy (nice handgag) and taken to an old bank vault. He binds her ankles together and her wrists to the chair arms, but doesn't gag her

Title: Joy Ride (2001)
Medium: Movie
Actress: Leelee Sobieski, Jessica Bowman

Description: Venna Wilcox (Sobieski) is captured by the killer and used as bait. Venna is handgagged in a dark corn field at about 1:12 into the movie. She is held captive in a hotel room, tied to a chair, and gagged with clear tape that is wrapped around her mouth several times. This happens at about 1:16 in
Doug
cobrakingus@yahoo.com
Monday March 03 21:23:27 2003
Re: "Fear Factor" WOW!!!
> Amazing! I wonder what's next? The Rack? The Wheel?
> Whipped in the stocks? Notice that this is on NBC!!!!!

It's interesting; I'm sure the producers rack their brains to come up with fun, scarey stuff for this show (like MTV's Fear). I think they also try to come up with stuff that's not really dangerous but is intense enough to scare off someone.
It actually surprises me they have not done something like mummification, or heavy bondage in a dark closet ala Patty Hearst. Maybe they will soon.

Monday March 03 21:48:46 2003
Re: Elvira
> Not only that, but back in the 1980s I was watching
> either somebody's variety show or some kind of Halloween
> special, and Cassandra/Elvira was a guest. In one bit,
> they did their own "music video" with lots of fast images
> while playing Michel Jackson's song "Thriller." At one
> point there was a very brief flase of Elvira tied to a
> chair, twisting to turn her face away from the camera in
> an "I'm such a helpess distressed damsel!" fashion.

I'm on the case. :) Here are the clues from Elvira's website: In 1984 there was an "Elvira's Halloween Special" on MTV, and she also made an apperance on "Solid Gold". In 1985, a video series called "Elvira's Thriller Videos" was released. In 1988, Elvira hosted "Friday Night Videos."

PRW
www.elvira.com
Monday March 03 21:55:21 2003
Re: "Fear Factor"
> It actually surprises me they have not done something
> like mummification, or heavy bondage in a dark closet ala
> Patty Hearst. Maybe they will soon.

I saw the first few minutes of one of those reality shows & it featured a pair of undersea divers trying to communicate (via "charades") something to some people watching them from a submarine. It reminded me of the "Sex Lies & Videotape" episode of "Lois & Clark" where Lois plays charades with Superman. Who knows? Maybe they could tie up a guest & force her (I hope it's a her) to try to communicate something or do something. Kind of like "Beat the clock".

PRW
Monday March 03 21:59:05 2003
Re: Elvira
Let's try that again.



PRW
http://www.elvira.com
Monday March 03 22:35:19 2003
Re: No bondage in Agent Cody Banks
> The zippers in her top
> are positioned in just a way that it looks like she has
> nipple rings. Don't know if this was done intentionally
> by wardrobe designers but I wouldn't be surprised.

Don't see how a thing like this could ever be done accidentally by wardrobe designers. Intentionally all the way. Hollywood may have a certain amount of cluelessness about bondage, though less it seems every day, but they are absolute sticklers about clothes. For whatever reasons.
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 22:35:46 2003
Re: Future Classic Scenes
> > Which scenes from the last ten years does everyone
> believe will become "classics" in a decade?
> ------------
Certainly Charisma Carpenter in "Angel" the "The Parting Gifts" Epidsode. It instantly made me a Cordy fan and I watched the show faithfully for a whole season(which paid off at the end w/the "cow" enslavement scene. She needs to get it again (her and Amy Acker's character).
Paco The Bandit
Monday March 03 22:37:50 2003
Re: Elvira
I've always kept an eye on Elvira's exploits but overall, I'd have to conclude that she's a bit of a tease....and KNOWS it - have to say not a lot of potential until she ages a bit and gets a little more desperate for attention.


Dario Pula
Monday March 03 22:46:08 2003
Re: Boomtown ballgag DiD
> Much as I hate to admit it, the French seem to have beat
> everyone to the punch in the 'Nestor Burma' series - and
> as a bonus, she's certainly not hard on the eyes.

Can't argue the point about Nestor Burma, especially the attractiveness of the damsel, except that I specified U.S. television because of Nestor Burma and (IIRC) an Italian scene involving a woman in red ballgag, which I think came from a TV series. There was also a red ballgag in the Canadian series DaVinci's Inquest (thanks, Jay L!) a white ballgag in the Spanish soap Reyes y Reyes, all of them predating Nestor Burma as well as Boomtown.

Had to phrase that initial post pretty carefully, because there was also the Jenny McCarthy MTV ballgag scene.

The think that was kinda neat about the Boomtown ballgag was that it was properly fitted inside the damsel's mouth. Sometimes, as in the Jenny McCarthy ballgag, the ballgag is sort of outside the mouth.
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 22:54:22 2003
Re: Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding
> If you do a writeup, a thought that came to my mind

A great idea. Have the male characters facing death, and the female characters facing a fate worse than death. You could also tie the female characters up in ways that render them sexually vulnerable (in subtle ways, suitable for TV, though if they're in bikinis subtlety may be a little more difficult).

But I don't think that's a likely scenario for reasons that will lead us straight to Anything Goes. I think the Baywatch scenes were set up as couples for a reason.
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 22:56:46 2003
Re: Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding
> Unless it's a bathtub, given such examples as Profiler
> and its German inspiration.

True enough. Still, exceptions that prove the rule.
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 23:15:39 2003
Re: Primal Instinct
> There are a few scenes of the actress, Celia Xander,
> restrained with handcuffs and silenced with a ballgag,
> but otherwise the plot is rather lame.

By coincidence, I just finished a review of this dreck, and I pretty much agree with you. Interestingluy enough, Celia also was the Executive Producer, wrote the screenplay and was the producer of the film. And her last name is listed as Xavier, not Xander. (I'm assuming you are a Buffista.)
Pat Powers
Monday March 03 23:21:06 2003
Re: "Fear Factor" WOW!!!
> Well, now I've seen just about everything! On "Fear
> Factor" they had a big-busted blonde fastened in a chair
> and sticking needles in her arm!

I thought this was pretty far out there, too. I liked the bondage, but didn't really like the needles. The thing I like about Fear Factor is, it's a contest. This was just torture.

Interesting that the big-busted blonde won the whole shebang.
Pat Powers

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