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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Saturday April 05 00:42:06 2003 Re: Bondage as it is done in the movies |
| > Brian, or someone from this group, saw a demo I did at
> the DSF Society a couple months ago and he asked about my > experience doing bondage in the movies. Well, it's great to have someone on board who has some experience in the mechanics of movie bondage. A lot of the stuff we do is speculation. I've got a lot of questions. To start with, what is the DSF Society? > I'm a long term > member of SAG and I've tied up several actresses, they > hate it, because the guy tying them up is the prop > person, who usually has no clue as to what he is doing, > so for a time in the 90's I was called when they knew > they were going to have a paroblem and I would do it > right. Who calls on you? The director? The producer? And how do they know they are going to have a problem? The nature of the bondage? The nature of the actress? Or both? Did you have a rep established for doing bondage scenes right? > The most notorious situation I had to deal with > was Annabella Scoria in Whispers in the Dark. She bitched > and moaned so much that I had to do what I consider a > lousy job just to make her happy. > you rememember the scene it's pretty long. She must have > been tied for 4 or more hours. She spent four hours in a hogtie without being released? That would make most pro bondage models kinda grumpy. |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday April 05 01:27:27 2003 Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| Pat, Raffish, others...
...don't take the bait. Obvious bullsh*t (or maybe his calendar is a few days behind). |
| Roper |
| Saturday April 05 04:23:22 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > Pat, Raffish, others...
> > ...don't take the bait. Wouldn't dream of it. |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 05:55:59 2003 RD Cartoon |
| There is a cartoon on recent edition of Reader's Digest
A couple went to marriage consellor for advice about fighting. The consellor gagged the wife and husband (not bound). He said: "Now we make a progress" |
| Saturday April 05 06:42:40 2003 Re: Raffish's Post- Professionals, |
| > > Killer scene. Now if only I can get hold of the
> initial chloro... > > Just in general Raffish, > about 3 or 4 years back we got the entire ep brought over > from UK - > transfered to US VHS machine system. > Had the initial chloro in the garage scene on it. > > If that was the one shown on Granda plus, some of it was cut (some of the closes up with Judy crying where edited out). Just to let you know. |
| steve a |
| Saturday April 05 07:51:20 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| >or maybe his
> calendar is a few days behind I would think it took him 4 days, from he got the idea, until he finished writing the post. |
| Per |
| Saturday April 05 10:36:53 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > Pat, Raffish, others...
> > ...don't take the bait. Obvious bullsh*t (or maybe his > calendar is a few days behind). I'm willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt unless he says somethign that's obviously BS. Granted, there's a high TGTBT (Too Good To Be True) factor on this one, but that alone isn't proof the post is bogus. What's your point about his calendar? |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday April 05 11:00:16 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
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> ...don't take the bait. Obvious bullsh*t (or maybe his > calendar is a few days behind). As mentioned, this guy didn't just drop in out of the blue. I had extensive contact with him on this subject at a few years back. That doesn't mean that his story is true, but it isn't something he just made up. I investigated him at the time, he had an extensive posting history of reasonable (non-trolling) posts on usenet, and in all dealings seemed to be on the level. If you have some sort of proof that he is not telling the truth, then you are free to post it. Simply declaring him a liar will from this point be considered abuse and deleted under the rules. Clear? |
| Brian R |
| Saturday April 05 11:42:34 2003 humble request |
| I have heard alot about the scene from spun, and saw tidbits in the trailer on movies.com, but was wondering if anyone actually had the scene. I don't really have anything to trade, but would love to see it. If anyone has the scene or knows someone who does could they e-mail me at the listed adress.
Tahnks alot |
| Nad |
| Nad_namllig@hotmail.com |
| Saturday April 05 13:05:36 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
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calling him a liar will from this point be considered abuse and deleted under the rules. Clear? Crystal clear Brian... Just another example of why this site has been along for so long. My opinion, for what is worth... even though it does seem TGTBT he just doesn't strike me as a liar or phoney. |
| Snowcat |
| Saturday April 05 13:47:34 2003 Re: humble request |
| > If anyone
> has the scene or knows someone who does could they e-mail > me at the listed adress. This is not the trade page, you are not allowed to make requests for personal reasons. You may ask if there are sites where clips or caps are located, as that is for the general benefit of the group. |
| The Moderator |
| Saturday April 05 14:25:08 2003 Re: Bondage as it is done in the movies |
| I'm sure Ms Sciorra didn't like the packing that went with her cleave gag. |
| Saturday April 05 14:40:41 2003 Re; Marsha Brady tape gagged |
| Marsha tape gagged from the episode mentioned a few days ago. |
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| Reggie Dulop |
| Saturday April 05 14:48:37 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| As Carl Sagan used to say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
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| Paul |
| Saturday April 05 15:46:10 2003 Re: Bondage as it is done in the movies |
| > I'm sure Ms Sciorra didn't like the packing that went
> with her cleave gag. That, at least, I imagine got removed fairly early on. |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 15:54:20 2003 Re: Bondage as it is done in the movies |
| > Well, it's great to have someone on board who has some
> experience in the mechanics of movie bondage. A lot of > the stuff we do is speculation. I've got a lot of > questions. To start with, what is the DSF Society? The DomSubFriends Society. It's one of the SM groups here in NYC. > > Who calls on you? The director? The producer? And how do > they know they are going to have a problem? The nature of > the bondage? The nature of the actress? Or both? Did you > have a rep established for doing bondage scenes right? I've been out for a long time to just about everyone. Until she died I had a manager who handled all that stuff. Usually it was a casting director who called my manager, but the ultimate decision was made by the director and I suspect it had to do with how much negotiation he had to do to get her to do the scene. I was never a party to that, but sometimes the crew would warn me. On the other hand I was called for another job where the actress requested me specifically because I'd done one of her friends in an off-off Broadway show and she wanted someone to teach the co-star how to tie her up. Can't remember the name of the show, but I could look it up if anyone in interested. > > She spent four hours in a hogtie without being released? > That would make most pro bondage models kinda grumpy. No argument here. I noticed someone asked about the gag. If you notice how easily he pulls it out of her mouth in the scene. It was rigged so that all she had to do was spit if out if it became uncomfortable. Rick Umbaugh qui bene amat bene castigat |
| Rick Umbaugh |
| nayat326@cs.com |
| Saturday April 05 16:07:00 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > As Carl Sagan used to say, extraordinary claims require
> extraordinary proof. > Paul, I agree with you. What kind of proof do you need? As Brian said, I'm a long term member of the S/m community, you can check out my column at http://www.crystal-bridge.com. I've been a member of SAG for 30+ years and frankly the reason I'm coming out now about this is that it is more accepted in the mainstream, because of movies like Secretary. The name at the bottom of the post is my acting name and the name I use in RL. I suppose, it was a long time and 4 moves ago, if I went back into my records I might still have my copy of the contract but I don't know how I could post it here. As for this being too good to be true, I'm pretty sure that my experience with this is unique, so if I'm the only one who is both into the scene and a professional actor there aren't going to be dozens of people coming out of the woodwork to make it not too good to be true. Rick Umbaugh qui bene amat bene castigat |
| Rick Umbaugh |
| nayat326@cs.com |
| Saturday April 05 16:14:25 2003 Water Rats "Final Chapter"/"Silent Running" |
| Major props to Lee and Jay L. for this one! First time I've ever made 24 caps for one scene -- though of course the cap specialists would probably squeeze even more out of it.
If there had been just a bit more gaggage, I'd rate it as a classic. (Okay, maybe I just will anyway...) |
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| Raffish |
| http://www.abductor.com/raffish/canuck/ |
| Saturday April 05 16:16:58 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > As Carl Sagan used to say, extraordinary claims require
> extraordinary proof. Skepticism is natural, and warranted under the circumstances, but the rules have been made clear. Those that don't follow them will deal with that Moderator guy. |
| Brian R |
| Saturday April 05 16:37:56 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > > As Carl Sagan used to say, extraordinary claims require
> > > extraordinary proof. > > Skepticism is natural, and warranted under the > circumstances, but the rules have been made clear. Indeed...and, BTW, I wish to offer a personal apology to Rick for jumping to conclusions. (Some of the trolls we get around here...yikes.) |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 17:36:12 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| Raffish wrote...
Indeed...and, BTW, I wish to offer a personal apology to Rick for jumping to conclusions. (Some of the trolls we get around here...yikes.) *Pelts Raff with a PIE* That'll LEARN him! ;) |
| Snowcat |
| Saturday April 05 19:34:56 2003 Re: Mister Umbaugh |
| I am not saying whether this means phony or not,
but I would hope we can just continue discussing TV/Movie bondage without people getting upset about these things. |
| Rich |
| bindherupx@yahoo.com |
| http://bindherupx.net/videos.htm |
| Saturday April 05 19:49:22 2003 Re: Mister Umbaugh |
| > I am not saying whether this means phony or not,
> but I would hope we can just continue discussing > TV/Movie bondage without people getting upset > about these things. What? How DARE you, mister? I've never heard such an insulting preposition in all of my 69 years. This is wartime, and I frankly don't think you're supporting the troops. skating along that thin line of topicality, and possibly falling off (sorry brian), |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 20:11:07 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > *Pelts Raff with a PIE*
> That'll LEARN him! > ;) Awwww, yeah...free pie. I'll willingly give up immunity for that, especially since I have officially concluded that it's pecan. |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 20:23:06 2003 Re: JENNIFER/DOOL |
| > into a tight cleve! Now let's get Rebecca Herbst on "GH"
> into a b/g dillema, as well as Cyndi Preston, who had a > good scene years ago in Rin-Tin-Tin series. Pics of Cyndy's B&G scene can be found at her Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyndypreston/ |
| http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/cyndypreston/ |
| Saturday April 05 20:23:54 2003 A Quiet Day In Belfast |
| Oh, forget about the (in)effectiveness of the gag and just enjoy it. You know you want to. Decent-sized update.
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| Raffish |
| http://www.abductor.com/raffish/canuck/ |
| Saturday April 05 20:30:56 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| FITW
There actually does seem to be a real live Rick Umbaugh actor/columnist/BDSM enthusiast. The homepage link has an interview, with picture. Whether or not the Rick Umbaugh in the interview is actually the person posting here, or just somebody who saw the interview and used the name, who can tell. |
| JaCOT |
| http://www.sensuoussadie.com/rickumbaugh.htm |
| Saturday April 05 20:36:36 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| >> Awwww, yeah...free pie. I'll willingly give up immunity
> for that, especially since I have officially concluded > that it's pecan. Aha!!! OBVIOUSLY a man of GREAT taste... I hate war too too bad all future wars couldn't be solved with pie fights... Waitaminute I'm onto something we'll call it "The Curley Doctrine" |
| Snowcat |
| Saturday April 05 20:46:10 2003 Re: Bondage as it is done in the movies |
| > I'm sure Ms Sciorra didn't like the packing that went
> with her cleave gag. Fuzz's site has another cute doctor with a gag that obviously is a bit of a mouthful as well |
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| Dario Pula |
| Saturday April 05 21:12:48 2003 Anyone have caps?? |
| Record number: 8604
Title: Commissaire moulin, police judiciaire (2002) Medium: TV Movie Actress: Natacha Amal Description: Natacha Amal is hogtied and gagged with a scarf at the end of the movie. |
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| Clouseau |
| Saturday April 05 21:26:25 2003 Miami? |
| We're there, dude |
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| Saturday April 05 21:43:14 2003 DOOL Preview from the NBC Site |
| Monday, April 7
Bo and Roman make an illegal entry; Jennifer is in danger; Rex decides to move home. Tuesday, April 8 Jack and Hope try to find Jennifer; shots ring out at Vin's house; Belle, Cassie and Mimi audition for a TV dating show. Wednesday, April 9 Hope, Jennifer and Jack take down Maria; Tony demands Cassie quit the TV show; there is trouble between Kate and Roman. |
| Saturday April 05 21:53:03 2003 Re: DOOL Preview from the NBC Site |
| > Monday, April 7
> Bo and Roman make an illegal entry; Jennifer is in > danger; Rex decides to move home. Drool is actually coming out of my TiVo. (And they say pets don't imitate their masters.) |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 21:53:12 2003 The Gwendoline Game |
| While we wait for Mr. Moderator to descend on the forum & clean up the clutter from the Great Purported Professional Rigger Flame War... let's play THE GWENDOLINE GAME!
I've decided we have NO CHOICE but to cast Catherine Zeta-Jones in the role of U-89, *especially* since she'll be in her Chicago Lulu bob. (See below.) The real problem remains: Who do we cast as Gwendoline? I'll be honest... I'm stumped. (Tall as C.Z-J., blonde, hooters, figure to die for, classically beautiful features... 'tis a puzzlement.) Who would *you* cast as Sweet Gwen? How 'bout the role of The Mysterious Countess? Fifi the maid? U-89's aunt? Zaza the *evil* maid? :-) |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Saturday April 05 21:58:19 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
| > The real problem remains: Who do we cast as Gwendoline?
Cameron, maybe? |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 22:01:13 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > Aha!!! OBVIOUSLY a man of GREAT taste...
> I hate war too > too bad all future wars couldn't be solved with pie > fights... > Waitaminute I'm onto something we'll call it > "The Curley Doctrine" Hey wait a minute! That Coily to you! Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo... |
| J. Howard |
| Saturday April 05 22:07:20 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
| > > The real problem remains: Who do we cast as
> Gwendoline? > > Cameron, maybe? I thought of her, Raff, but she's got that "goofy-cute" thing going. She could pull it off, but what we need is a *CLASSICALLY BEAUTIFUL* blonde. Hmm... Christina Applegate? |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Saturday April 05 22:12:16 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
| > Hmm... Christina Applegate?
Elisha, maybe? (Assuming we can lure her away from a show in which she's literally hanging on by her admittedly fantastic breasts.) Ethan |
| Raffish |
| Saturday April 05 22:59:57 2003 Re: Purported Mainstream Rigger |
| > FITW
> > There actually does seem to be a real live Rick Umbaugh > actor/columnist/BDSM enthusiast. > Yup, that's me. I would send you the picture I use online but there is no one tied up in it so it probably doesn't belong here. This is going to be my last post on my bona fides, I want to thank all those who defended me and particularly thank Raffish for the apology, one seldom sees something like that on line. I quite understand that there are a lot of phonys out there and I'm sure this place draws them like flies so skepticism is warrented. I just don't know how to prove anything. I'm not on that film website because I've never had a major role. I've been limited to small parts and stunt work over the years. (You can see me as a butler in Maid in Manhattan, the J Lo movie, but I wouldn't go see it just to see me as my big scene was cut.) Per, as Monard will tell you, I do much of my bondage without knots. As to Gwendolyn, I have a picture from some porn site that could be a double for her, but I don't know where I got it, image thief that I am. Rick Umbaugh qui bene amat bene castigat |
| Rick Umbaugh |
| nayat326@cs.com |
| Saturday April 05 23:04:04 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
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> Cameron, maybe? She doesn't look much like Gwen, but she does enjoy getting tied up. Rick Umbaugh qui bene amat bene castigat |
| Rick Umbaugh |
| nayat326@cs.com |
| Saturday April 05 23:26:58 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
| >
> The real problem remains: Who do we cast as Gwendoline? > I'll be honest... I'm stumped. (Tall as C.Z-J., blonde, > hooters, figure to die for, classically beautiful > features... 'tis a puzzlement.) Who would *you* cast as > Sweet Gwen? For Gwen I'd go with Sandra Reinhardt (aka Sandra Ferguson) who starred in the soap "Another World". She falls into my "classically beautiful" cagegory. FYI, she is a Miss America contestant, I think Miss Pennsylvania. Here's a URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Star/6471/sandra_ferguson001.htm |
| Hermango |
| hermango@hotmail.com |
| Saturday April 05 23:39:41 2003 Off-topic I know.... |
| I know this isn't exactly on-topic, so I'll make it very quick & short (I was afraid to brave the AG page!). Does anyone know how to get ahold of G-Man? The e-mail address I have for him (which is the same as on his site) doesn't seem to get any response (I know he moved a few months ago). We were in the middle of a trade & I stopped hearing from him. Any info appreciated. |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Saturday April 05 23:42:08 2003 Re: Off-topic I know.... |
| > I know this isn't exactly on-topic, so I'll make it very
> quick & short [snip] Nevermind...I just re-read a previous post by the Moderator about not using this page for personal requests (and this was kind of a request). I'll post on the AG page. Sorry Brian! |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Saturday April 05 23:53:19 2003 Re: The Gwendoline Game |
| > > > The real problem remains: Who do we cast as
> > Gwendoline? Heather Graham; beautiful, blonde, innocent face, tall enough and a smoking body. No one else clomes close, imho. |
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