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| Friday May 23 00:00:09 2003 Re: Viola Kisses Everyone |
| > > How's Asia Argento tied in this? [SNIP]
> > There are two or three shots of her on > the floor sitting and one good closeup of her gagged face. What is Viola Kisses Everyone? A new movie?? I never heard of it before. |
| Friday May 23 00:09:52 2003 Asia Argento |
| To quote an earlier post,"The Database is your friend!" |
| anon22 |
| Friday May 23 00:36:46 2003 Off-topic posts |
| There seems to be some confusion about what went on the other day, when several posts were deleted, but some material saved and reposted.
If you reply to an off-topic post, your post is off-topic. Even if you add new, on-topic material, that doesn't matter, it's still off-topic. I don't edit posts. The best I can do is what I did the other night, which is to move the on-topic portions into a new post. I now see that was a mistake because it gave at least one person the mistaken impression that he hadn't done any wrong, when indeed he had. He did wrong by replying to an off-topic post, which made his post off-topic and caused me extra work to deal with it. I hope that clears things up. |
| The Moderator |
| Friday May 23 01:07:10 2003 Re: Asia Argento |
| > To quote an earlier post,"The Database is your friend!"
True, but the entry for the film he was seeking simply reads "bound and gagged." Some folks prefer more detail. |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound |
| Friday May 23 01:27:01 2003 Re: Off-topic posts |
| > I hope that clears things up.
OK -- something to keep in mind in the future. Anyway, my original point: "Wrong Turn" with Eliza Dushku opens May 30. You may know her from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" as Faith. There is almost definitely a lengthy scene in the movie. Also, at risk of entering dangerous territory -- there was not a scene in the Buffy finale. But there was a joke at the beginning about Buffy not being a damsel in distress. After what's transpired here, I would call that ironical. |
| gasface |
| Friday May 23 01:46:19 2003 New Charlize Theron's movie |
| Anything in this movie for Ms. Theron?. I saw a preview of a woman showing her scared expression on her face in a close-up but I could't see her mouth, so we can presume that it might be a gag in a lower take of that close-up.
I think the name of that movie is "The Italian job"... Also take a look of my Spanish Did's website. I just opened it a month ago. There's the link. |
| Overlaid |
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| Friday May 23 02:03:45 2003 Too Disgusting? |
| Leo here, back following a long absence.
This query is prompted by the Video Alert posting of FUNNY GAMES being run on IFC recently. The question may have been answered before, but do you folks find some movies just too blamed ugly/disgusting to watch, even if they contain really good scenes? For me, FUNNY GAMES fills the bill. It has a couple of very interesting scenes which prove that even an ordinary looking woman can be alluring in the right accoutrements, but the plot itself is simply despicable. Far too despicable for an old warhouse like me. The sadistic angles are dwelt upon too long and too lovingly, and then the two little sweethearts get away with it in the end (after one is brought back to life by a ridiculous deus ex machina). It's obviously a copy of NATURAL BORN KILLERS, but that pile of tripe was too poorly written, directed, and acted to inspire anything like the revulsion I feel for FUNNY GAMES. As one poster pointed out, the lead actress seems to be really suffering and strangling through most of her scenes, and that kills my interest p.d.q. I still wish the victims had been a Ma/Pa/Sonny group from my neck of the American Southeast. I feel confident that the fey boys would have fish food in the lake long before they could have carried out the first of their "funny games." Leo the Angry |
| Leo |
| CuffColl@hotmail.com |
| Friday May 23 02:48:03 2003 Re: Too Disgusting? |
| > The question may
> have been answered before, but do you folks find some > movies just too blamed ugly/disgusting to watch, even if > they contain really good scenes? Not sure about "disgusting", but the scenes in "One False Move" and "L.A. Confidential" (both excellent films) were of a level of intensity that did dampen my enthusiasm (even though I was sure the damsel in "L.A. Confidential" was going to pull through). |
| Jeb |
| Friday May 23 09:54:00 2003 Re: Too Disgusting? |
| > The question may
> have been answered before, but do you folks find some > movies just too blamed ugly/disgusting to watch, even if > they contain really good scenes? I'm with you on Funny Games. That is one INCREDIBLE bondage scene, but the movie itself is such a nasty piece of crap that I have no interest in it other than vidcaps, which nicely remove the bondage from the context of the movie. Another example that's exactly along the lines you've mentioned is "B.U.S.T.E.D." aka "Everybody Loves Sunshine." In this case the villain is not a serial killer, just a gangster, but interestingly enough, he's gay like the fey boys in Funny Games. Over the bulk of the movie he brutally assaults, has his boys gang-rape and then kills a totally innocent woman just because the guy he's attacted to is having an affair with her. There's some dramatically powerful bondage imagery, but jeebus, the movie is so forking disgusting it just isn't worth it. I am wondering if it's a coincidence that the women who are treated ultra-violently in these two films are treated that way at the hands of gay bad guys. Maybe the assault on the women constitutes a sort of gay bonding thing that the filmmakers enjoy. Frankly, the serial killer genre as a whole leaves me cold. It's been very productive of scenes, but I'm just not into torture and murder, no matter how cinematically appealing they are. I much prefer scenes in the context of adventure shows, and I much prefer villains who are using the damsels as bait, or are just keeping them on ice. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday May 23 11:13:12 2003 FUZZWEB |
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| Friday May 23 11:31:01 2003 Re: Asia Argento |
| > > To quote an earlier post,"The Database is your
> friend!" That's true, Anon 22, but the database entry is rather vague, simply saying she was "bound & gagged"; also, I believe the original post was more about if this was a movie that was just released (even though it was made several years ago, maybe it's just now getting here in theatres or on video). The DB didn't mention that & obviously the poster was wondering if the movie was available for viewing (in the theatre) or to rent. Personally, I think we all are a little bit too quick to "direct" folks into using the Database when a question is asked. Now granted, some answers to questions ARE in the DB & it should have probably been checked before the question was asked ( "Duh, has Heather Locklear ever been tied & gagged before?"), but not everything. Sometimes I think it would be easier & quicker just to provide the answer ("'Viola Kisses Everybody' is a foreign film that just made its US debut on video") rather than giving a "use the Database" lesson (unless, like I said above, it's a rather obvious question that the Database would have answered in 2 seconds). End of (mild) rant. By the way....I've never heard of the movie either & would be interested in knowing also if it's available in video stores, as Asia is quite hot & has never really had a nice tie-and-gag scene (Stendehl Syndrome was FAR too short & murky!) |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Friday May 23 12:09:24 2003 Re: New Charlize Theron's movie |
| There's nothing in the Italian Job. Sneak happened Tuesday.
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| JJ |
| Friday May 23 12:41:18 2003 Re: Too Disgusting? |
| > > The question may
> > have been answered before, but do you folks find some > > movies just too blamed ugly/disgusting to watch, even > if > > they contain really good scenes? > Well, I taped/watched Funny Cide... uh, Funny Games last night and thought it ***could*** have been one of the better scenes I've seen in a long time... except for 2 things. And, the "too disgusting" angle wasn't one of them. That stuff doesn't bother me in the least --- after all, keep saying to yourself... "IT'S ONLY A MOVIE"... "IT'S ONLY A MOVIE"... (Besides, when you edit the scene - you "lose" the terrible happenings). Anyway, what killed it for me was --- 1... the terrible editing - no binding/gagging shown on screen, for example 2... the actress was downright VERY unattractive BTW, recently watched another "brutal, terrible" (but realistic) movie that COULD have contained one of the greatest scenes of all time. The late 1960's movie "Last House On The Left." Don't recall it ever beeing written about here. Make a long story short - 2 teenie bopper hippie-like girls, going to a rock concert wander into an apartment inhabited by psychotic criminal types, looking to buy marijuana for the concert. They're attacked and kidnapped... bound and gagged (kind of a "loosie" though) and stuffed into a car's trunk. They soon meet a violent ending in the woods. If really done right, this movie's scene could have been truly exceptional. And, of course, the brutal aspect of the movie didn't bother me at all. Anyone else see this one? |
| Friday May 23 13:12:58 2003 Scene context (Re: Too Disgusting?) |
| >> Frankly, the serial killer genre as a whole leaves me
> cold. It's been very productive of scenes, but I'm just > not into torture and murder, no matter how cinematically > appealing they are. I much prefer scenes in the context > of adventure shows, and I much prefer villains who are using the damsels as bait, or are just keeping them on ice. Don't know what you mean by "on ice" (I always thought that term meant to kill someone - "put someone on ice"), but I agree with you about the adventure aspect. Adventure scenes have a certain "unreal" quality to them, even when you're taking them and the shows at (more or less) face value and really getting into them, that makes the scenes more bearable and more fun. Though I also have a thing for the "damsel" being the heroine herself. I find that more exciting than if she's just a passive friend of a hero. |
| Jazz411 |
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| Friday May 23 13:21:29 2003 Too Disgusting! |
| Hear Hear! This is one of those rare occasions I strongly AGREE with what people are saying here, namely that there are some ugly, repellant movies that just happen to have good bondage scenes. They are really only interesting for our fetish when taken out of context--the bondage and nothing but the bondage.
Leading the list in my opinion are these: Funny Games The Bone Collector Last House on the Left And any other movie in which the damsel is tortured and then killed, especially when they attempt to make it 'humorous.' These are horrible, sickeningly sadistic movies, and those who enjoy the scenes AND their context, should see a psychiatric professional posthaste (and perhaps should have profilers monitoring their every move IMHO). |
| Clarifier |
| Friday May 23 13:28:50 2003 And... |
| Oh, and about 'on ice' --
To 'put someone on ice' is to preserve, keep them (as in keeping something stored in the fridge or freezer). 'To ice' them means to kill them -- don't ask me why. Anyone beg to differ? |
| Clarifier |
| Friday May 23 13:46:11 2003 Re: New Charlize Theron's movie |
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> Also take a look of my Spanish Did's website. I just > opened it a month ago. There's the link. Great site Mr Overlaid. Spanish and other Euro DiDs always look hotter to me. I tell you fellas, we need more of this. |
| marzman |
| Friday May 23 13:50:48 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
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> These are horrible, sickeningly sadistic movies, and > those who enjoy the scenes AND their context, should see > a psychiatric professional posthaste (and perhaps should > have profilers monitoring their every move IMHO). You're missing the point of Funny Games. Go read about the movie. The director made the film in order to directly respond to a trend that he saw regarding movies. This trend was glorified violence. In Funny Games, only 4 people die, much less than say Friday the 13th, but it truly shows how horrifying and terrible it is. That's the point behind Funny Games and is also the reason the bondage is "unattractive". It's meant to be. It's meant to be realistic, cruel and not something out of a Dick Tracy cartoon. If you were uncomfortable, disgusted, or revolted the director did his job. |
| P |
| Friday May 23 14:38:04 2003 Glad I'm Not Alone |
| I taped Funny Games and did not enjoy the bondage at all. It was too sadistic and cruel for me. It disturbed me.
The fact that the actress was not very goodlooking and the bondage was overly cruel did not help. I like it all light or at least semi-light and less torture and sadness. More adventure or comedy combined with a cleave gag on a goodlooking actress is more my thing. |
| Friday May 23 14:47:00 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| Oh, I'm sure the director claims this as his purpose, but if you watch the glob of garbage once, you understand what he was really after. Any movie that kills a kid is right out the window with me. The torture and bondage scenes certainly glorified violence just as much as any silly, "how did they do that?" decapitations in a "Friday the 13th" flick or its ilk. Any pretence to "realism" he may make is shot to hell when the leader gay boy uses the TV remote to save his fat lover from a well-deserved shotgun blast to the gut. Seems very clear to me that the director just doesn't like women or children very much.
"Last House on the Left" was, in its way, a much more responsible film. Its violence was realistic and repellant, as well (and the innocent girls were very heartrending), but it shows the other side of the coin, too. Most killers wind up paying for their orgiastic larks, either as sex toys behind bars or in brutal, vengeful sanctioned murders by the state or on the street. The monsters in "Last House" met their ends in quite satisfying spasms of blood, dismemberment (after a fashion -- see the mother's revenge), and electrocution. Both films are ugly, but "Funny Games" has NOTHING to recommend it. I'm no censor, but if every copy of that fecal effort were to vanish in a puff of cleansing smoke, I certainly wouldn't feel that the world had lost a single degree of "art." |
| Leo |
| CuffColl@hotmail.com |
| Friday May 23 14:58:33 2003 Asia |
| I think that this sounds like a great scene so far, I can't wait for DiDcappers to get their hands on this one. My Blockbuster hasn't even heard of it yet.
Also, does anyone know where to find fakes of Avril Lavigne? |
| Friday May 23 16:28:43 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| > Oh, I'm sure the director claims this as his purpose, but
> if you watch the glob of garbage once, you understand > what he was really after. No, it's quite evident he suceeded by the fact that everyone is so mad at the killers and disgusted at the film. It was an independent film made with a specific purpose, and it worked. Any movie that kills a kid is > right out the window with me. The torture and bondage > scenes certainly glorified violence just as much as any > silly, "how did they do that?" decapitations in a "Friday > the 13th" flick or its ilk. Nope. In those films, it was commonplace for the people watching to cheer the killers. In this film, the killers were portrayed as horrible, sadistic idiots that the audience was supposed to hate. Every second they were on the screen was uncomfortable. It was. He suceeded. Any pretence to "realism" he > may make is shot to hell when the leader gay boy uses the > TV remote to save his fat lover from a well-deserved > shotgun blast to the gut. Seems very clear to me that > the director just doesn't like women or children very > much. That's a horrible and wrong assumption. The guy makes a statement about how movies glorify violence so much and shows how terrible this violence actually is. > > "Last House on the Left" was, in its way, a much more > responsible film. Its violence was realistic and > repellant, as well (and the innocent girls were very > heartrending), but it shows the other side of the coin, > too. Most killers wind up paying for their orgiastic > larks, either as sex toys behind bars or in brutal, > vengeful sanctioned murders by the state or on the > street. The monsters in "Last House" met their ends in > quite satisfying spasms of blood, dismemberment (after a > fashion -- see the mother's revenge), and electrocution. Again showing you are missing the point. You're not supposed to "feel good" after seeing this movie. You're supposed to feel uncomfortable and horrified. If they died, that's tacking on a happy ending and ruining the whole point of the movie. > > Both films are ugly, but "Funny Games" has NOTHING to > recommend it. I'm no censor, but if every copy of that > fecal effort were to vanish in a puff of cleansing smoke, > I certainly wouldn't feel that the world had lost a single degree of "art." The reason why the bondage and the murders are so unattractive and violent is an artistic choice. It makes sense that people feel uncomfortable and angry after seeing this movie. It makes sense that people aren't comfortable using it for watching and finding DID clips. It's meant to shatter those hollywood stereotypes. And let's face it...forced bondage in the real world is a scary/horrible thing. Much different than how most movies portray it. Saying it isn't the best thing for DID clips may be accurate, saying it is without artistic merit and glorifies violence shows a lack of understanding of the director's intent and execution. BTW, I'm trying to talk about the bondage as much as I can, but if this is veering off-topic, just let me know Brian. |
| P |
| Friday May 23 16:47:11 2003 Re: Asia Argento |
| > True, but the entry for the film he was seeking simply
> reads "bound and gagged." Some folks prefer more detail. Yes but his question was:"What is Viola Kisses Everyone? A new movie?? I never heard of it before." See- the Database is your friend. |
| Friday May 23 17:12:19 2003 Re: Asia Argento |
| I wasn't being dismissive to the anonymous poster; if you review the posts you will see that 'Phil' had already answered the 'how was she tied' question; I was merely pointing out that the DB listed the movie. Anyway, like everybody else - I'd love to see the scene!! |
| anon22 |
| Friday May 23 17:14:37 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| >
> > These are horrible, sickeningly sadistic movies, and > > those who enjoy the scenes AND their context, should > see > > a psychiatric professional posthaste (and perhaps > should > > have profilers monitoring their every move IMHO). > As the poster who first brought up "Last House On The Left" a few hours ago, I just wanted to add a point to my other post. I definitely agree with the above, and DON'T enjoy the context of these sickening, real life brutalities... BUT, I DO enjoy the bondage scenes in these movies... the terrifying theme of the overall movie doesn't make me want to "skip the scene." I think THAT is silly. Horror films are NOT going to "go away," and that being the case, I'd prefer them to have some binding and gagging in them. And, the "terror" and "danger/peril" aspect to the bondage IMO does add to the powerfulness of the scene. Again, keep repeating to yourself --- "IT'S JUST A MOVIE." |
| Friday May 23 18:10:15 2003 Texas chainsaw NEW ??????? |
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Any one here anything new about this movie ? I have not been this excited about a movie since bound. LOL |
| Alex Bond |
| http://www.sosbound.com |
| Friday May 23 19:30:05 2003 Funny Games and Last House |
| Very interesting postings regarding reality and fantasy..I suspect the arguments supporting the vicious reality of death could also be applied to a true bondage situation, where the captive fights violently for life and is injured and horrified...or worse.
This type of situation does not entice me at all. I'll stick to non-reality bondage scenes, even extreme loosies. The turn on is zero when the "damsel" experiences agony. |
| Introspector |
| Friday May 23 20:24:44 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| > > Saying it isn't the best thing for
> DID clips may be accurate, saying it is without artistic > merit and glorifies violence shows a lack of > understanding of the director's intent and execution. > As passionate as you may be, your entire argument falls to pieces due to one unaddressed point: the TV remote. That elminates all sense of "reality" from the offal and negates any logical points to be made about "realistic violence" or how Hollywood glorifies it. Beat me if I'm wrong, but I can't come up with a single instance of some cretinous killer successfully utilizing a common TV remote to reverse time and resurrect his dead boyfriend. If you want a look at horrifying realistic violence, watch HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER or DIARY OF A SERIAL KILLER. The director/writer's desperate assertions aside, FUNNY GAMES has absolutely nothing to recommend its smarmy, self-satisfied content other than good performances from the victimized couple. In my opinion, it was simply an indulgent exercise by a would-be autur with more money than scruples. It's going to take a lot more than righteous proclamations from its "creative" team to convince me otherwise. It's excrement. |
| Leo |
| CuffColl@hotmail.com |
| Friday May 23 21:08:41 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| > > > Saying it isn't the best thing for
> > DID clips may be accurate, saying it is without > artistic > > merit and glorifies violence shows a lack of > > understanding of the director's intent and execution. > > > As passionate as you may be, your entire argument falls > to pieces due to one unaddressed point: the TV remote. > That elminates all sense of "reality" from the offal and > negates any logical points to be made about "realistic > violence" or how Hollywood glorifies it. Beat me if I'm > wrong, but I can't come up with a single instance of some > cretinous killer successfully utilizing a common TV > remote to reverse time and resurrect his dead boyfriend. The TV remote is there for a very specific reason. Do you recall what happened before the TV remote? The kid broke free, found a shotgun and managed to kill the killer. Much like you would find in a typical Hollywood picture. Much like the scene you said you wanted at the end of the movie. The TV remote is there to say "This is how you all think it should end". If the bad guy dies in the end it is all ok. Much like how in HellRaiser 3, Pinhead can kill many more people than died in Funny Games, but as long as Terry Ferrel makes it out OK, then the bondage scene is OK and the film is fine. The fact of the matter is that this wasn't a Hollywood film. This was an independent film making a statement about Hollywood. And the TV remote directly references the Hollywood thinking. That is why it is in there. It shocks the audience and horrifies them. Just when they think they have an ending they can be satisfied with, it pulls them back into the horrible situation. And once again...it worked. |
| P |
| Friday May 23 21:43:35 2003 Gag talk |
| I am loking for scenes with a lot of gag talk. Talking through the gag. anyone know of any good scenes like Linda Carter in the starships are comming? Also does anyone know of interviews with actresses talking about being gagged on tv or a movie. Thanks. |
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| Friday May 23 22:00:00 2003 Deleted post report |
| Title: Re: Eliza Dushku
Poster: Steve Reason: Image too large. Limit is 480px in either dimension. |
| The Moderator |
| Friday May 23 22:07:49 2003 Re: Too Disgusting! |
| Ok, let's wrap this thread up. It's already veering off-topic and will continue to get worse. This site is not about violence in the mainstream media.
I think what needs to be said has been said. |
| The Moderator |
| Friday May 23 22:09:44 2003 Re: Gag talk |
| > I am loking for scenes with a lot of gag talk.
Don't put bogus values in the email (or homepage) slots. If you don't want to say, leave it blank. |
| The Moderator |
| Friday May 23 22:47:26 2003 Re: Gag talk |
| > I am loking for scenes with a lot of gag talk.
Drop me a line and I'll fix you up. |
| Major John |
| silent_night_022003 |
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| Friday May 23 23:14:12 2003 Re: putting on ice |
| > Don't know what you mean by "on ice" (I always thought
> that term meant to kill someone - "put someone on ice"), In old movies, the term "put 'em on ice," was gangster slang for keeping someone prisoner. Preserving them as it were. As has been pointed out, 'to ice someone' is to kill them, also archaic gangster slang. Could be from the old use of an icepick as a preferred murder weapon by some gangsters, or might be from the notion of turning them to a "stiff" as in "frozen stiff." I'm not really sure. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday May 23 23:42:13 2003 Bye Buffy! |
| It was a week of landmarks: I hit the thousand-clip mark (yay), and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" went off the air (boo). Who cares if SMG never got gagged? I'll miss it anyway. From "Buffy," here's Azura Skye in "Help," Kristine Sutherland in "Helpless," Alyson Hannigan and Michelle Trachtenberg in "Normal Again," and Alexandra Johnes in "School Hard"...and from the spinoff "Angel," here's Charisma Carpenter in "Over The Rainbow" and "Parting Gifts." |
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