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Thursday May 08 00:19:39 2003
Re: Site search
> htf didcaps or something like that. All I know is it has

Please follow the link:
http://htfvidcaps.dyndns.org/masterframe.htm
Thursday May 08 03:23:04 2003
Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
Okay, so (a) I haven't had time to enter these as formal alerts, (b) this isn't complete even for the series mentioned, since I glossed over the episodes I'd already clipped, (c) it only goes through "S" (though I hope to finish it off tomorrow), and (d) you'll need to check your favorite listings and/or email me if you're desperate for showtimes.

Nonetheless, I was experimenting with my newly-expanded cable lineup, and here's some of what my TiVo will be doing over the next week and a half:

Avengers, The (1961)
"Escape In Time" (5.3)
"Fear Merchants" (5.2)
"See-Through Man" (5.4)
Bonanza
"The Lady and the Mark" (11.18)
Diagnosis Murder
"An Explosive Murder" (4.8)
Family Guy
"Brian Does Hollywood" (3.2)
Gene Autry Show, The
"Bandidos" (3.8)
"Ghost Mountain" (3.3)
Honey, I Shrunk The Kids
"Honey, I've Been Duped" (1.7)
I Love Lucy
"The Amateur Hour" (1.14)
Inuyasha
"The Toad Who Would Be Prince" (1.8)
Justice League
"Secret Origins" (1.1)
Knight Rider
"Redemption of a Champion" (4.16)
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit
"Counterfeit" (3.14)
Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman (1993)
"Green, Green Glow Of Home" (1.9)
"Honeymoon in Metropolis" (1.12)
"I've Got a Crush on You" (1.7)
"Smart Kids" (1.8)
Lost World, The
"Absolute Power" (1.11)
"Camelot" (1.12)
"Out Of The Blue" (3.1)
"Time After Time" (1.14)
"Travelers" (3.2)
"Unnatural Selection" (1.13)
MacGyver
"Obsessed" (7.3)
"Prometheus Syndrome" (7.4)
Mary-Kate and Ashley in Action!
"Gift with Purchase" (1.2)
"Bug Off!" (1.19)
Medabots
"I Dream of Hushi" (1.15)
Miami Vice
"Bad Timing" (5.4)
"Cell Within" (5.13)
"Heart of Night" (5.3)
Outer Limits (1995)
"Sarcophagus" (4.19)
Pretender
"Cold Dick" (4.11)
Profiler
"Old Ghosts" (4.4)
Rifleman, The
"Lou Mallory" (5.4)
Rockford Files
"Resurrection in Black and White" (2.8)
Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (1969)
"Decoy for a Dognapper" (1.5)
"Mystery Mask Mix-up" (2.2)
Sliders
"Slide by Wire" (4.16)

(BTW, if anyone wants a similar list of *all* standard-format TV series entries from the DB: I'm working on it. DB editors with more available time might find my Perl script particularly useful, in that it tends to zero in fairly well on inconsistencies within the title field. I'd be happy to post the raw output somewhere if it would help.)
Raffish
raffish@abductor.com
Thursday May 08 03:24:36 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
Sorry about the formatting there, BTW. Should've figured that Brian's form wouldn't much like tabs. :)
Raffish
Thursday May 08 06:16:08 2003
Re: West Wing
> Nothing for us re: Zoey's kidnapping this week, but Leo's
> ex-wife is blindfolded for a bit when he drives her to
> receive a surprise.

Frankly, I don't see a genuine DiD scene coming out of this. It's just not what Sorkin does. In fact, I'd find it jarring, and not beneficial to the program as a whole.

Of course, now that Sorkin is leaving, we could easily find TWW on a desperate ratings quest that leads to contrived DiD scenes for CJ, or Donna, or Amy, or Elsie, or...

Sorry, but in this case, I'd rather just not think about it.
Raffish
Thursday May 08 07:34:04 2003
Re: Murphys Law
> >
> > > The damsel is actually his boss, an Inspector. So far,
> she has been so gung-ho that if I worked for her, I'd
> want to tie her up on every job!
>
>

Its was his ex-wife, not his boss (who hopefully will get the treatment in an upcoming show)
steve a
Thursday May 08 07:38:34 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
> Nonetheless, I was experimenting with my newly-expanded
> cable lineup, and here's some of what my TiVo will be
> doing over the next week and a half:
>
> Family Guy
> Inuyasha
> Justice League
> Mary-Kate and Ashley in Action!
> Medabots
> Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (1969)

You do vidclips of cartoons also? I'd visited your site often when you update, and if you include cartoon vidclips with your next update (or next couple of updates), that would be awesome. I'd gladly check out the vidclips from Mary-Kate and Ashley in Action, and Scooby Doo (both of which I'd seen vidcaps from, and know what to expect).
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Thursday May 08 08:56:02 2003
Re: Celeb & blindfold
> > It's from an AIDS campaign: "What's going On".
> > Guy alert. Not bound. At least 10 singers, including
> > Destiny Child,
> > Britney Spears etc.
>
> When Britney pulls down her blindfold, a freeze-frame
> when it's over her mouth makes a nice image of her being
> gagged.

The pictures are at my group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boundsingers/

Christina Aguilera, Jennifer Lopez, Alicia Keys and Nelly Furtado are also in the video, but I don't have pics of these!



xc5003
xc5003@yahoo.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boundsingers/
Thursday May 08 09:50:55 2003
Re: Bad Girls
> Tomorrow evening in the UK a new series of women's prison
> drama 'Bad Girls'

If there are B&G scenes, hopefully the DinD's will be better looking than in those in Prisoner Cell Block H
Thursday May 08 11:57:33 2003
Re: Liv Tyler as Bettie Page
> Martin Scorsese's about to start The Aviator with
> DiCaprio this summer, so if he's still attached to
> direct, it's a long, long time away.


Sorry, guys
http://members.aol.com/paige7961/ebay3/c61.jpeg
Leonardo Dicrapio
Thursday May 08 12:03:47 2003
Re: Site search
> > htf didcaps or something like that. All I know is it
> has
>
> Please follow the link:

On that cap site, they have extended footage of the Robin Deardon scene from "Knight Rider." Caps show the bad guys taking her out of the van and tying her to the ground, which I've never seen on any of the USA rerun versions.

Brian W.
Thursday May 08 12:08:50 2003
Re: West Wing
>
> Frankly, I don't see a genuine DiD scene coming out of
> this>
> Of course, now that Sorkin is leaving, we could easily
> find TWW on a desperate ratings quest that leads to
> contrived DiD scenes for CJ, or Donna, or Amy, or Elsie,
> or...
>
I'd agree, although you can't ask for a better setup. I'm also expecting nothing with Poppy Montgomery in this 2-part season finale and I'm not expecting much with the Paige Turco scene, but maybe one of the three will surprise us.
Brian W.
Thursday May 08 12:17:21 2003
Knight Rider "Give Me Liberty..."
> On that cap site, they have extended footage of the Robin Deardon scene from "Knight Rider." Caps show the bad guys taking her out of the van and tying her to the ground, which I've never seen on any of the USA rerun versions.
--------
I believe "Knight Rider" re-runs currently air on the Sci-Fi channel (weekdays @ 5:00PM ET).

Additional footage may have aired when the TV series originally aired. Of course, anyone remembering such a scene might have to admit that they watched the show then, even without the sole purpose of catching a known B&G scene. :-)
Kinky-napper
Thursday May 08 12:36:21 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
> > > Also Daphne Zuniga was B&g'd on Melrose Place.
>
> Whatever happened to her?

Or Heather Medway??
Thursday May 08 12:50:29 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
> > > > Also Daphne Zuniga was B&g'd on Melrose Place.
> >
> > Whatever happened to her?
>
> Or Heather Medway??

I can think of a long line of great DiDs who disappeared from the airwaves, but if I had to file one missing person's report it would be on Cyrielle Claire of "Counterstrike." I wish she'd turn up in something...anything.
Brian W.
Thursday May 08 13:45:39 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
I can think of a long line of great DiDs who disappeared
from the airwaves


On this topic, 'Tara King' from the later Avengers series -haven't seen her since - she was B&G'd at least 4 times in multiple episodes and simply disappeared after that...

Major John
www.fuzzweb.com
Thursday May 08 14:08:50 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
> I can think of a long line of great DiDs who disappeared
> from the airwaves
>

Has Robin Blair from the Hardy Boys 'Campus Terror' scene appeared anywhere else (not as a DinD)? She only had those distant shots on the episode.

Thursday May 08 14:48:21 2003
Re: Site search
> > htf didcaps or something like that. All I know is it
> has
>
> Please follow the link:

Thank you very much. I thought that was what it was called.

Thursday May 08 14:58:38 2003
Possible Alert for One Life to Live tomorrow
At the end of today's episode, an attractive blonde named Jessica was taped to a chair, with a middle aged woman holding a small piece of duct tape ready to gag her. Aparently, it's a trap to lure a man named Mitch out of hiding.

Looks like One Life to Live may come through yet again...

On previews for tomorrow's show, she's plastered with duct tape over her mouth.
East Coast Dan
Thursday May 08 15:03:10 2003
Re: Bad Girls
> Tomorrow evening in the UK a new series of women's prison
> drama 'Bad Girls' begins and all the TV mags here have
> pictures of recaptured escapee 'Shell' Dockley (Debra
> Stephenson) being returned to jail with a bitgag(!!) in
> place.

Well, the show kicks off in just over an hour here and then we'll see. I did just manage to find this one small picture of Debra Stephenson, as I described, on the TV company's webpage, so hopefully this link will give you an idea. I would have tried to post the image (never tried before) but as the image is only a small part of a big page I thought it would take too much space, sorry).
The link may well only work today since I think the page changes daily.
Martin
http://itv.com/page.asp?partid=90&referer=
Thursday May 08 15:11:41 2003
Bad Girls
Just thought this link may help too. Not a bondage shot, but at least you get a better idea of what Debra actually looks like, although obviosly her hair is dark in the DID scenes (doubtless as part of her disguise whilst on the run).
Martin
http://www.geocities.com/debrastephenson/newdeb.html
Thursday May 08 15:35:39 2003
Re: Possible Alert for One Life to Live tomorrow
> >
> On previews for tomorrow's show, she's plastered with
> duct tape over her mouth.

And what a mouth it is! A pair of the best lips in the bidness! Can't wait till tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up. Whoo hoo!

doug
doug5759
Thursday May 08 15:38:44 2003
Re: Possible Alert for One Life to Live tomorrow
> And what a mouth it is! A pair of the best lips in the
> bidness! Can't wait till tomorrow. Thanks for the heads
> up. Whoo hoo!

Bree Williamson??
http://destined.to/BreeWilliamson
Thursday May 08 16:03:01 2003
Re: Possible Alert for One Life to Live tomorrow
> > And what a mouth it is! A pair of the best lips in the
>
> > bidness! Can't wait till tomorrow. Thanks for the
> heads
> > up. Whoo hoo!
>
> Bree Williamson??

If only Erin Torpey had stayed in this role. But this replacement is incredible.

9 p.m. tonight on SoapNet id the first rerun of today's episode. Be there at the end, I guess.
Brian W.
Thursday May 08 16:59:16 2003
Hidden Obsession
Bet the director saw Heather's short B&G scenes on 'Fall Guy' and felt she was due for a extra-long sequence.
http://www.bindher.com/vidsdids/hiddenobsession/hiddenobsession03.jpg
Colt S
Thursday May 08 17:16:17 2003
Re: Bad Girls
> Tomorrow evening in the UK a new series of women's prison
> drama 'Bad Girls' begins and all the TV mags here have
> pictures of recaptured escapee 'Shell' Dockley (Debra
> Stephenson) being returned to jail with a bitgag(!!) in
> place. Sadly I haven't yet been able to find a picture on
> the net that I could post a link to.
> Until the show starts none of us here know whether this
> is just a publicity shot or whether it will actually be
> in the programme. If it is on screen, it must be one of
> the first times ever for a bitgag in a mainstream UK
> drama series.

Thanks for the details cocnerning Robs Site. I have been out tonight and have missed Bad Girls - looking forward to an update. As we are both UK side I have included my E Mail if you would like to correspond.

Ukman
melhedley@msn.com
Thursday May 08 17:17:02 2003
Bad Girls
We’ve just enjoyed a good bit gag scene in the new series of the UK series “Bad Girls”, set in a women’s prison. An escaped prisoner is being extradited from Holland to the UK and, presumably, she was been a little vociferous on the journey – so they gagged her!!

Watching this prompted a thought. I can think of several soaps and series originating in the UK and Australia based on women in prison, but I can’t think of a US one. Has there ever been one?
DB
Thursday May 08 17:59:58 2003
Re: West Wing
It's kind of bizarre, but the West Wing scene is actually playing out very closely to a "nightmare" President Bartlett shared with Zoey in an episode titled "Enemies" from way back in Season 1:

ZOEY
The Secret Service should
worry about you getting shot.

BARTLET
They are worried about me getting shot. I'm
worried about me getting shot. But that is
nothing compared to how terrified we are of
you. You scare the hell out of the Secret
Service Zoey, and you scare the hell out of me
too. My getting killed would be bad enough,
but that is not the nightmare scenario. The
nightmare scenario, sweetheart, is YOU getting
kidnapped. You go out to a bar or a party in
some club, and you get up to go to the
restroom, somebody comes up from behind, puts
their hand across your mouth, and whisks you
out the back door. You're so petrified, you
don't even notice the bodies of two secret
service agents lying on the ground with bullet
holes in their heads. Then you're whisked away
in a car. It's a big party with lots of noise,
and lots of people coming and going. And It's
a half hour before someone says, "Hey where's
Zoey?" Another 15 minutes before the first
phone call. Another hour and a half before
anyone even THINKS to shut down all the
airports. Now we're off to the races. You're
tied to a chair in a cargo shack, somewhere in
the middle of Uganda. And I'm told that I have
72 hours to get Israel to free 460 terrorist
prisoners. So I'm on the phone pleading with
Benjamin and he's saying, "I'm sorry Mr.
President, but Israel simply does not negotiate
with terrorists, period. It's the only way we
can survive." So now we've got a new problem,
because this country no longer has a commander
in chief, it has a father who's out of his mind
because his little girl is in a shack somewhere
in Uganda with a gun to her head. DO YOU GET IT?!

Maybe it's just coincidence, but if it happens that the similarity between Bartlet's premonition and Zoe's current predicament is intentional, it seems like we have a nice chair-tie scene to look forward to :-)
Eric
Thursday May 08 18:35:00 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
> I can think of a long line of great DiDs who disappeared
>
> from the airwaves
>
>
> On this topic, 'Tara King' from the later Avengers series
> -haven't seen her since - she was B&G'd at least 4 times
> in multiple episodes and simply disappeared after
> that...

actually that would be Linda Thorson who went on to "One Life To Live" for a brief stint and managed to get herself bound and gagged in that as well...

thomerson
Thursday May 08 18:44:10 2003
Re: Linda Evans scenes on Dynasty
> The original VHS tape I got this
> from did not have the tpae gag
> scene on it.
> I feel cheated.
> Was the tape gag part as good as the cleave gag part?

Not really. She was tape-gagged for about five seconds.
One closeup before tape was pulled off. I saw the scenes
for the first time this week and didn't think they were
worth saving. But I'm not a Linda Evans fan.

Thanx !
Rich
bindherupx@yahoo.com
http://bindherupx.net/videos.htm
Thursday May 08 18:55:20 2003
Re: Panyhose dids
> Does anyone know of anyone with caps of damsels that are
> tied up while wearing sheer pantyhose? I've been looking
> and I can't find many that show the damsel's feet a lot.
> Thank you for any information.

click on the LINK
click on "JPGs of TV/Movie bondage scenes"
click on "stocking feet"
(the last entry on the top menu)
sorry about the DiDcap quality
Rich
bindherupx@yahoo.com
http://bindherupx.tripod.com/home.htm
Thursday May 08 18:59:08 2003
Bad Girls
The scenes on Bad Girls were not bad at all and Debra certainly emoted, mmphed and glared wonderfully.
The scenes were in the final 10 minutes and as I said, excellent close-ups of her gagged face.
Basically, she was recaptured in Holland and, rather than go thru a lengthy and costly extradition case, the British authorities rather implausibly spirited her back home in a helicopter. (Yeah right!)
She was driven, under the pretext of being aided to escape by her British Embassy boyfriend, to a small airfield and once out of the car had her hands bound behind her with some kind of white strap or webbing. Then she was hustled on to a waiting helicopter, but as yet ungagged.
When we next see her she is being unloaded from a prison van, this time with the bit gag in place and mmphing and snarling away. She is marched to the office still gagged and a strip search is ordered (but not seen) and that's it.
There is no explanation for the gag other than, as DB pointed out, perhaps for being too loud. Certainly she is not gagged prior to getting on the chopper, and we don't see what happens to her after getting in the helicopter until the prison van returns her to jail.
The scenes were short but the close-ups, sounds and facial expressions were excellent.
As to whether bit gags are common practice in the British judiciary system, I honestly do not know (sorry).
Rumour has it that another later storyline in this series will concern Karen Betts, played by Claire King, being taken hostage in an escape attempt. Claire is older than Miss Stephenson but quite a looker, and I have long dreamed of seeing her receive the full treatment. No guarantees she will, but a guy can hope.
***Ukman, hope to see you on Rob's site too, joining in the banter and alerts. No offence, I hope, and apologies too, but I don't exchange emails. However, I post quite a bit at Rob's and we're pretty friendly there, as everybody is here.
Martin
Thursday May 08 20:11:09 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
> Raffish
> Sorry about the formatting there, BTW. Should've figured
> that Brian's form wouldn't much like tabs. :)

It's not the form, it's HTML. Tabs are just another type
of whitespace. I could put in an explicit handler for
them like I do with carriage returns, but there hasn't
been much of a need.


Brian R
Thursday May 08 20:50:25 2003
Re: Bad Girls
Perhaps the bit gag was supposed lead the viewers to infer that she's a biter, as it's next to impossible to be "too loud" in a helicopter.
Thursday May 08 20:58:17 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
> You do vidclips of cartoons also? I'd visited your site > often when you update, and if you include cartoon
> vidclips with your next update (or next couple of
> updates), that would be awesome. I'd gladly check out the
> vidclips from Mary-Kate and Ashley in Action, and Scooby
> Doo (both of which I'd seen vidcaps from, and know what to expect).

Well, I've got a small collection of cartoon clips in my member area, and one of my goals for the site is to increase its size. Of course, it's a bit harder to come by the classic scenes, since not as many folks collect them -- which is also why I'd have to think hard before using up too much space on them in the free updates. I'll consider it in the case of really top-notch scenes, though.
Raffish
Thursday May 08 21:06:40 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
> > Raffish
> > Sorry about the formatting there, BTW. Should've
> figured
> > that Brian's form wouldn't much like tabs. :)
>
> It's not the form, it's HTML. Tabs are just another type
> of whitespace.

Yeah, I realize that, which is why I said I should've figured...didn't mean to imply that your code was falling down on the job!

> I could put in an explicit handler for
> them like I do with carriage returns,

Something like three non-breaking spaces would work.

> but there hasn't been much of a need.

Nope.
Raffish
Thursday May 08 21:21:53 2003
Re: Bad Girls & bit gags
> Perhaps the bit gag was supposed lead the viewers to
> infer that she's a biter, as it's next to impossible to
> be "too loud" in a helicopter.

Quite possible. Also, it might have been simply to keep the girl in line. I've always thought of bit gags as the least effective gag as far as keeping a person quiet. However, I've also thought of them as more of a "humility-inducing" device, sort of letting that person know who's in charge. Other gag types may do that too, but also serve as at least partial silencers.
I remember some years ago watching one of those miniseries about the Civil War ("North and South" maybe??) and there were some soldiers of one side or the other who had been captured and all were tied up on the ground and had bit gags fashioned from sticks & cord. I remember thinking how much easier cloths would have been to use (unless there was a cloth shortage & sticks were more available, as well as being "disposable"), and figuring it was more of a humiliating "look who's in charge now...not you guys!" type of thing.
It's possible that the girl in the copter, since she was a prisoner, was just being "kept down" by the cops. Just a thought.

JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Thursday May 08 21:24:10 2003
Re: TV show casts w/ Actresses who've been B&G'd
> actually that would be Linda Thorson who went on to "One
> Life To Live" for a brief stint and managed to get
> herself bound and gagged in that as well...

really? I never knew that. Was it a good scene? How was she tied/gagged?



JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Thursday May 08 21:25:53 2003
Re: Caveat-laden pseudo-alert list
> Well, I've got a small collection of cartoon clips in my
> member area, and one of my goals for the site is to
> increase its size. Of course, it's a bit harder to come
> by the classic scenes, since not as many folks collect
> them -- which is also why I'd have to think hard before
> using up too much space on them in the free updates.
> I'll consider it in the case of really top-notch scenes, though.

Judging from the vidcaps I've seen, as well as the description I was given, the Mary-Kate and Ashley In Action scene from "Bug Off!" sounds top-notch. I'd love to see that in the next free update if you could spare the space.
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Thursday May 08 22:00:41 2003
Re: Bad Girls
> The scenes on Bad Girls were not bad at all and Debra
> certainly emoted, mmphed and glared wonderfully.

Mmm, interesting. As things now, I'd have to call it a gratuitous scene -- there's no logical explanation for the gag, and given that it's not standard practice, it would kinda have to be explained in some way. Makes you wonder if there isn't a scene or two on the cutting room floor somewhere.

Then again, I think gagged captives are a lot more visually powerful and add a lot of dramatic punch to any scene they're in. I'm just surprised to see someone in TV sharing that opinion.

Sounds like you guys in the UK are off to a great start with that series.
Pat Powers
Thursday May 08 22:26:32 2003
Re: Bad Girls & bit gags
> I remember some years ago watching one of those
> miniseries about the Civil War ("North and South"
> maybe??) and there were some soldiers of one side or the
> other who had been captured and all were tied up on the
> ground and had bit gags fashioned from sticks & cord.

There was a very unpleasant 19th century Army punishment called "Buck and gag". For the "buck" part, the offender's knees were drawn up in front and the ankles bound, with the wrists bound in front of the legs and either a tree branch or broomsctick shoved into the gap between the arms and drawn up knees.

The "gag" protion was not pristine white hankie. It was indeed a bit gag, and depending on the commanding officer's mood, it could be s twig, tent peg or bayonet. A description of buck and gag can be found in My story "The Horse Thieves" at the below web site
http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound


Historian
historian64@hotmail.com
Thursday May 08 23:25:15 2003
Without a Trace
Nothing happened DiD-wise tonight.

The kidnapper said the victim was being held by his partner.

Poppy Montgomery's character may have been shot at the cliffhanger, so a scene with her is unlikely.
LV
Thursday May 08 23:27:12 2003
Re: Without a Trace
> Possible double action on "Without a Trace" on Thursday.

Any scenes ? Does Pt II look promising ?
Thursday May 08 23:28:48 2003
Re: Without a Trace
> Any scenes ? Does Pt II look promising ?

Shoulda waited a few minutes more before submitting - sorry bout that


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