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| Friday March 14 01:57:39 2003 Re: She Spie & Other Syndicated Renewals |
| > > No word yet on "The Lost World".
> > I'm pretty sure that on this board it was reported that > the series has been cancelled. Definitely the worst news of the season. It was declared cancelled in January when New Line decided not to sell the fourth season at this year's NATPE convention. The thinking being that with out a US sale, there was no way to afford the production cost. HOWEVER, producers Jeff Hayes and Peter Berggman now say that they've been contacted by two seperate companies that want to produce a season 4. So now the official status of "The Lost World" is "delayed, not cancelled". It's a small chance but at least it's something. I'd be surprised if it ever returns with original episodes but "Lost World" has always been "the little show that could", returning from certain death twice already, so you never know. |
| CM |
| Friday March 14 07:33:57 2003 Survey: Gorean flicks |
| I was wondering if the guys on this board could name a few Gorean flicks.
I call a flick "Gorean" if it involves romantic feelings between a male captor and his female captive. The romantic feelings don't have to result in sex, but there has to be some indication that they exist. There also has to be at least one bondage scene for the captive, but it doesn't have to involve sexual bondage, though it definitely can. I'll list a few examples: 1. Jupiter's Darling -- romance between captive Amytis and captor Hannibal. 2. Cheyenne -- romance between runaway wife Cheyenne and her bounty hunter captor. 3. Son of Sinbad -- romance between male leads and two harem slavegirls. (They aren't really captives of the male leads, but given that they are slavegirls and seen in bondage, it's a reasonable exception.) 4. Kiss the Girls Goodbye -- romance between female lead and her psycho captor. Any others ya'll can think of offhand? Now, I know you are all thinking of "The Collector" and "9 1/2 Weeks," but I don't know that Miranda ever has any real romantic feelings for Ferdy, and there's no bondage in the movie version of 9 1/2 Weeks. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday March 14 09:33:51 2003 "Lost World" news |
| I had heard about the slim hope for a fourth season a few days ago. I sure hope this can become a reality! "The Lost World" is one of the best fantasy/adventure series ever made, in my opinion! If there is a fourth season, I hope they continue knocking Veronica out on a fairly regular basis. Actually, now they have an additional cast member, Finn, played by Lara Cox -- one more hot blonde to KO/capture! It would also be nice to see Marguerite in a skimpier costume, with some KO/capture/tie-up scenes for her as well! Does any one remember the sexy native girl Assai, Veronica's friend? She has only been featured in a few episodes, but she certainly left a definite impression on me --very sexy, sultry brunette! Actually, I think she was captured in an episode a while back, but I cannot remember the details right now! |
| gytalf2000 |
| Friday March 14 10:59:57 2003 Re: Survey: Gorean flicks |
| > Now, I know you
> are all thinking of "The Collector" and "9 1/2 Weeks," > but I don't know that Miranda ever has any real romantic > feelings for Ferdy She certainly didn't, in the book at least. As for others I have a video clip of a scene somewhere but I can't find it, or remember the title right now- Highway abduction or something like that. It should go, if you include sexual desire in "romantic feelings". We are in a room, on a bed I think, the DiD has her hands tied behind her back. The young captor doesn't look especially evil. He fondles her, in a kinda gentle way. She hesitates, gives him a moist look, then throws herself on top of him and kisses him, her hands still bound. Ring a bell? |
| Per |
| Friday March 14 14:54:03 2003 Gorean Movies |
| Well Pat, how about these:
Ten Tall Men The Story of O The Big Hit The Transporter The Black Swan The Flame and the Arrow The Return Of Monte Cristo Head Above Water A Life Less Ordinary Being John Malkovich The Prince Who Was a Thief The Vikings My Favorite Spy |
| southbound |
| southbound@webtv.net |
| Friday March 14 15:44:34 2003 Re: Gorean Movies |
| > Well Pat, how about these:
AND..Bebe Loncar in the Long Ships |
| Dario Pula |
| Friday March 14 15:52:02 2003 "Gorean?" |
| Excuse me, but "I call a flick 'Gorean' if it involves romantic feelings between a male captor and his female captive" is about like saying "I call a flick 'NAZI' if one or more of the characters is German."
John Norman's Gorean characters (& apparently ol' John himself) believe women are *objects* with no civil rights, unnatural in any role but *slave*, and that simple courtesy towards women is a sign of sniveling weakness. The closest thing to a "Gorean" film I can think of is *The Abduction of Kari Swenson*, in which the abductors think that being "free" means they can kidnap & enslave any woman they happen to meet (& call it a marriage.) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Friday March 14 16:45:24 2003 Charmed scene |
| I heard Rose McGowan was supposed to have a scene on the last "Charmed", but there's no mention of it in the DB. Can anyone confirm if the scene did take place, and if so if it was any good? |
| Wwwyzzerd |
| Friday March 14 17:24:11 2003 How Will They Screw This Up, I Wonder |
| Fastlane
8:00 P.M. -FOX- Billie assigns Van and Deaq to protect the rich 19-year-old daughter of an ex-arms dealer after learning there's been a hit put out on her. Yet even when deemed a target for murder, the spoiled brat doesn't offer an ounce of cooperation to her protectorates. |
| Friday March 14 17:26:32 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| > John Norman's Gorean characters (& apparently ol' John
> himself) believe women are *objects* with no civil > rights, unnatural in any role but *slave*, and that > simple courtesy towards women is a sign of sniveling > weakness. True, Van, and thanks. I thought of posting something like your post, was beginning to write it actually, but then gave up, my English being as it is. Thank you for expressing my opinion too. |
| Per |
| Friday March 14 17:33:23 2003 Re: Charmed scene |
| > I heard Rose McGowan was supposed to have a scene on the
> last "Charmed", but there's no mention of it in the DB. > Can anyone confirm if the scene did take place, and if so > if it was any good? The WB changed their schedule & right now it looks like the episode in question ("Baby's First Demon") will air the 30th of March (in the US.) I found a Charmed site with some photos... (http://www.aboutcharmed.com/episodes/index.php?episode=516&show=photography) ...I'm posting one of two that show some rope. None at the site show a gag, but the advance word is there will be one. :-) |
| http://www.aboutcharmed.com/x_images/stills/516_004.jpg |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Friday March 14 17:34:52 2003 Re: Charmed scene |
| Loosie or what?? |
| Friday March 14 17:47:48 2003 Re: Charmed scene |
| > Loosie or what??
Hey, it's *Charmed*! What did you expect? :-) However... check out the dress. It looks like a LATEX Loosie!!! |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
| Friday March 14 18:09:33 2003 Survey: Captor/Captive Romantic feelings |
| > The romantic feelings don't have to result in sex, but there has to be some indication that they exist. There also has to be at least one bondage scene for the captive, but it doesn't have to involve sexual bondage, though it definitely can.
------------ Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down! (aka ATAME). Which works as both a male fantasy + a female fantasy. I'm guessing that there are more than a few women who wouldn't have minded being kidnapped by Antonio Banderas (even with a bad haircut), kept bound & gagged to a bed, just because he wants to be the father to her children. I imagine too, there have to be a sizeable number of Hostage/Kidnap storylines involving the "Stockholm Effect" of the captive falling under the sway of her captor(s). No, not the Patty Hearst movies, that was a product of brainwashing & tortue. But Soap operas probably have explored this theme more than once. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday March 14 18:20:33 2003 Archie Comix |
| Nice to see Veronica in bondage but I'm more a Bettyophile (she's been B&G 7 times in her comic career). |
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| Jug |
| Friday March 14 18:41:07 2003 Re: LIV---BETTIE!!! |
| > > Hot off the cinescape.com presses:
> > ------- > > Bettie Page: WENN reports that Liv Tyler has signed up > to > > play the bondage-loving 1950s icon Bettie Page, a part > > > that requires us seeing Miss Tyler in various leather > > outfits. I guess it really doesn't matter, but the original Bettie Page was supposedly a short girl... barely five feet tall, if that. Liv Tyler is a freaking Amazon at 5' 10" barefooted. |
| The Greyman |
| Friday March 14 18:55:37 2003 Re: LIV---BETTIE!!! |
| > I guess it really doesn't matter, but the original Bettie
> Page was supposedly a short girl... barely five feet > tall, if that. Liv Tyler is a freaking Amazon at 5' 10" barefooted. I think we're in for a disappointment here. I doubt we're going to see Liv tied up at all. There was the Domanatrix side to bettie. They could focus on that, without showing anything. Large Hollywood productions like that are the last place to find good bondage. People make it sound like Liv wanted to do this just to be bound. She could just like wearing leather, |
| Roc |
| Friday March 14 19:02:22 2003 Re: Buck Rogers: Planet of the Slave Girls |
| > I'll buy that. While it's a relatively tame scene,
> "Cruise Ship to the Stars" is still one of my nostalgic > holy grails. I definitely look forward to its re-airing on 3/25. (Alert posted.) If we are on the subject of Buck Rogers, I always loved the scene from 'The Fighting 69th' (or something) where a lackey was inexplicably instructed to place restraints on Col. Wilma's ankles in a short but memorable scene. I've always been a booted ankles fan so it has stuck in my memory as the spandex clad beauty gives the extra a sly look as he bends over and starts fastening the space-age cuffs about her ankles. As a satisfied Raffish customer I'd be even more delighted if this clip shown up in the members area sometime soon. ;) |
| Steve O |
| Friday March 14 19:39:00 2003 LIV---BETTIE!!! |
| > I guess it really doesn't matter, but the original Bettie Page was supposedly a short girl... barely five feet tall, if that. Liv Tyler is a freaking Amazon at 5' 10" barefooted.
--------- Celebrity Sleuth (Volume 11, No. 1) "Star-tistics" issue listed Bettie Page at 5'5-1/2, 127 lbs. In other words, Bettie was at least of average height for an American woman in the 1950s, and fit the 1950's ideal of fleshy curves. I can accept Liv Tyler for Bettie because: (1) She wants the part; (2) She seems to respect the history of Bettie; and (3) Tyler's figure is also made of fleshy curves, rather than the Size-2 shape of many of other Hollywood actresses her age. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday March 14 19:48:14 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| > John Norman's Gorean characters (& apparently ol' John
> himself) believe women are *objects* with no civil > rights, unnatural in any role but *slave*, and that > simple courtesy towards women is a sign of sniveling > weakness. What you're referring to is the rants Norman included in his stories about women being naturally subservient to men, yadda-yadda-yadda. I sorta skip over them, and don't tend to take them too seriously. Besides, Van, careful observation of the Gor novels will show that they're fiction. Also, careful observation of the Gor novels will show that they are adventure romances. There's generally a heroine (slavegirl) who is trying to find her true love (master) against the backdrop of an exotic society in distant lands. The proud, brave, very masculine true love (master) treats her with disdain at first (enslaves her and sells her) but over the course of the story he cannot deny the powerful attraction he feels for her, and so is forced to seek her out and propose marriage (put her in his chains as his love slave). The Gor novels are ROMANCES, Van, if you'll analyze their structure. The gaudy crap that constitutes Norman's sexual philosophy is just so much easily discarded tinsel. That's why so many women get into the Gorean thing online and in person. I'm surprised I have to tell you these things. > The closest thing to a "Gorean" film I can think of is > *The Abduction of Kari Swenson*, in which the abductors > think that being "free" means they can kidnap & enslave > any woman they happen to meet (& call it a marriage.) Yeah, but Kari never has any feelings for the mountain guy, so it doesn't work. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday March 14 19:54:18 2003 Last Lives |
| Does anyone know anything about the movie "Last Lives"? The description in TV Guide is as follows: "A bride (Jennifer Rubin) is kidnapped on her wedding day by a terrorist from a parallel world." Besides Rubin -- who is hot -- the movie also stars Judge Reinhold and Billy Wirth. I checked the scene database under the movie's title and Rubin's name and came up with nothing. The movie is playing in the New York area tonight, 3/14, at 8pm EST on WLNY. Thanks in advance. |
| Al |
| Friday March 14 20:04:11 2003 Buck Rogers in the 25th Century |
| >...I always loved the scene from 'The Fighting 69th' (or something) where a lackey was inexplicably instructed to place restraints on Col. Wilma's ankles in a short but memorable scene. I've always been a booted ankles fan so it has stuck in my memory as the spandex clad beauty...
--------- Nearly all of the Database's entries for Buck Rogers occur in its 1st season. Today Sci-Fi's three airings "The Fighting 69th", "Unchained Woman", and "Planet of the Amazon Women". Two of Erin Gray's best scenes took place in the first two hours. There was a specific reason for Col. Deering ankles being cuffed, without her hands being shackled. It's how the two villains will revenge themselves on her. Years ago, her bombing raid caused a fire that burned the man's face, ruining one side and losing an eye. His wife put out the fire with her bare hands, causing both hands to be replaced by metallic prosthetics. So fellow captive Captain Rogers is manacled, and threatened with a blowtorch. The only way that Deering can save him will be to use her bare hands to put out the searing heat... P.S.: Gray wasn't in her spandex suit during the scene, but in her white "pilot" uniform. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday March 14 20:19:33 2003 Re: Buck Rogers: Planet of the Slave Girls |
| > If we are on the subject of Buck Rogers, I always loved
> the scene from 'The Fighting 69th' (or something) > > As a satisfied Raffish customer I'd be even more > delighted if this clip shown up in the members area sometime soon. ;) Well, I haven't been on the lookout for this one since it's not in the database, but it looks like SciFi is showing it...oh, wait, about four hours ago. Drat the luck. |
| Raffish |
| Friday March 14 20:48:45 2003 Any thing on "Agent Cody Banks"? |
| Several reviewers have mentioned that Hillary Duff is kidnapped. I also wonder if Angie Harmon might not be a DID in this film. |
| The Knotty Professor |
| Friday March 14 20:53:24 2003 Re: LIV---BETTIE!!! |
| > I think we're in for a disappointment here. I doubt
> we're going to see Liv tied up at all. Betty has said she didn't really "get" the bondage thing and was well aware that that was why they were prosecuting Klaw. Her fetish appeal, historically, is significant but not for bondage per say. Her agressivness and her prettieness is what most media people identify with, not her submission in bondage. It's too bad because if the truth be told, it is her bondage pics that put her in a rareified league. Almost no one else ever had her combination of girl next door innocence and kinky bombshell. Monroe and Russell were the only ones close and they were not kinky at all. Emma Peel is the only prototype who is in the same league, but of course in another era; 60's liberated, sexy, powerful female thing; Bettie was the first, and in a sense, the only bondage star we've ever had. I don't know the stats, but I'll bet her later bondage pics far outsold any other genre. So yeah, I agree, there will probably be a nod to bondage kink only, I'd be shocked if we see a gag. One can only hope the screewriter "really" knows her full appeal. |
| Friday March 14 20:54:44 2003 Re: Archie Comix |
| > Nice to see Veronica in bondage but I'm more a
> Bettyophile (she's been B&G 7 times in her comic career). You sure you don't have a close-up of Ronnie? |
| Zorak |
| Friday March 14 20:58:29 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| > > John Norman's Gorean characters (& apparently ol' John
> > himself) believe women are *objects* with no civil > > rights, unnatural in any role but *slave*, and that > > simple courtesy towards women is a sign of sniveling > > weakness. > > What you're referring to is the rants Norman included in > his stories about women being naturally subservient to > men, yadda-yadda-yadda. I sorta skip over them, and don't > tend to take them too seriously. Besides, Van, careful > observation of the Gor novels will show that they're > fiction. Fiction? Really? That explains a lot, like why the self-indulgent naked wish fullfilment running rampant through every page doesn't resemble the world around me (...not to mention the flying saucers, giant birds of prey being ridden by weighlifters with swords, & the Priest-Kings.) :-) > Also, careful observation of the Gor novels will show > that they are adventure romances. There's generally a > heroine (slavegirl) who is trying to find her true love > (master) against the backdrop of an exotic society in > distant lands. The proud, brave, very masculine true love > (master) treats her with disdain at first (enslaves her > and sells her) but over the course of the story he cannot > deny the powerful attraction he feels for her, and so is > forced to seek her out and propose marriage (put her in > his chains as his love slave). > The Gor novels are ROMANCES, Van, if you'll analyze their > structure. The gaudy crap that constitutes Norman's > sexual philosophy is just so much easily discarded > tinsel. That's why so many women get into the Gorean > thing online and in person. Oh... so you're saying it's formulaic fluff & I can discard Norman's philosophical 'tinsel' & *savor* the juvenile, third-rate, Edgar Rice Burroughs-wannabe plots? Thanks! & here *I* thought that just because Norman indulges in endless semi-coherent diatribes about the female's natural state being slavery that he was a woman-hater. > I'm surprised I have to tell you these things. I'm surprised too, Pat. It's kinda silly. My original point holds: if "Gorean" means "romance between captor & captive" then "Like Moby Dick" means "any novel set in or near salt water." :-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.aussiebondage.com/dug/index.htm |
| Friday March 14 21:07:10 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| > What you're referring to is the rants Norman included in
> his stories about women being naturally subservient to > men, yadda-yadda-yadda. That is his philosophy, and the core of the novels. >I sorta skip over them, and don't > tend to take them too seriously. >There's generally a > heroine (slavegirl) who is trying to find her true love > (master) against the backdrop of an exotic society in > distant lands. The proud, brave, very masculine true love > (master) treats her with disdain at first (enslaves her > and sells her) but over the course of the story he cannot > deny the powerful attraction he feels for her, and so is > forced to seek her out and propose marriage (put her in > his chains as his love slave). First of all, the very way the Heroine falls in love with this very masculine, proud and brave Master tells a lot about Norman's self-understanding. All he has to do is enslave her, put her in chains or a hogtie; the next morning she wants nothing more in her life than have him raping her all the time. True? In your dreams Norman! Also, even after the romantic feelings between the super-masculine Master and the beautiful submissive slavegirl has been established, the feelings on his part are not that reliable. He often sells her, in spite. I think, because Norman wanted him to have the full control , and prove it- on a continous basis. The novels may be interesting as fairy tales with bondage content. They have nothing to do with real men-women relationships, or real female sexuality- and thank God for that. |
| Per |
| Friday March 14 21:37:42 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| Yes let me just add, even though Norman sometimes wrote "how beautiful women are" - and I am sure he genuinely desired their bodies- there's no doubt in my mind he really hated their guts.
If not he would not treat them that way. Especially revealing as to Norman's feelings towards women is the scene (I can't remember which novel- dancers of Gor maybe) where a female librarian, the day before her abduction, meets with her future Master. What he says......no I will go find it! Anyway, a study of Norman's relationship with his mother could be interesting! |
| Per |
| Friday March 14 21:51:47 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| Quote from "Dancers of Gor":
"I have read a little," I said, uncertainly, uneasily. "Perhaps you are the sort of woman who has read more than she has lived," he said. "The book is on the bottom shelf," I said. "But soon perhaps," he said, "books will be behind you." "It is down there," I said, "on the shelf, on the bottom." "Are you a modern woman?" he asked. "Of course," I said. I did not know what else to say. In one sense, of course, I supposed this was terribly false. "Yes," he said. "I can see that it is true. You are tight, and prissy." I made as though to leave, but his eyes held me where I was, immobile. It was almost as though I was held in place, standing there, before him, by a fixed collar, mounted on a horizontal rod, extending from a wall. "Are you one of the modern women who are intent upon destroying me?" he asked. I regarded him, startled. "Are you guilty of such crimes?" he asked. (end of quote) -there's Norman psychology for you folks! |
| Per |
| Friday March 14 21:52:48 2003 This week's update |
| This week: Lynn Herring and Kristina Malandro in General Hospital, Mary-Margaret Humes in Half Nelson "Nose Job," Akouva Keren in Prison Heat, Kathleen Lloyd in Simon and Simon "Guessing Game," Khandi Alexander in Terminal, and Demi Moore, Joan Plowright and Francie Swift in The Scarlet Letter. |
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| Raffish |
| raffish@abductor.com |
| http://www.abductor.com/raffish/ |
| Friday March 14 21:52:56 2003 Re: "Gorean?" |
| > > > John Norman's Gorean characters (& apparently ol'
That's enough of this. Take it to AG. |
| The Moderator |
| Friday March 14 22:07:36 2003 Re: LIV---BETTIE!!!+ Fast Lane sucks |
| > > I think we're in for a disappointment here. I doubt
> > we're going to see Liv tied up at all. > Her fetish appeal, historically, is > significant but not for bondage per say. Her agressivness > and her prettieness is what most media people identify > with, not her submission in bondage. Her bondage appeal is well known. It was dealt with well on the E! special about her. And there was some mainstream comic a couple of years ago (name escapes me--discussed on this page) whose heroine was b&g'ed with a little note that said 'not Betty Page'. It would be silly to make a movie about her without directly dealing with this theme. In case you were wondering how fast lane would mess up a set up with the old spoiled-girl-who-needs-to-be-protected-setup... I'm too bored to go into details. Nothing but a putz b and g'ed in the trunk of a car. |
| ss |
| Friday March 14 22:13:19 2003 John Doe - next week |
| Previews are for some sort of terrorist takeover deal. Hostages show walking down the hall with hands behind their backs. Both male and female hostage seen blindfolded and getting duct tape gags.
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| Brian R |
| Friday March 14 22:53:33 2003 Two Gags Are Better Than one! |
| I was wondering what are the best scenes to look for that feature more than one damsel? |
| Friday March 14 23:39:41 2003 Re: How Will They Screw This Up, I Wonder |
| > Fastlane
> 8:00 P.M. -FOX- > Billie assigns Van and Deaq to protect the rich > 19-year-old daughter of an ex-arms dealer after learning So did they screw this up? Or did they come through? |
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