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Friday February 28 00:52:42 2003 Speck |
Okay, lets start off with the gags.
First off one of the least popular gags on this site are extremely thin cleave gags, because they seem so inneffective. Thats exactly the types of gag used in this film, which actually ADDED to the realism of the scene instead of usually ruining it. Why? Because that was exactly how the Speck girls were gagged, he used very thin strips of cloth. Interestingly, they DID work because they were so tight that it made the victims lips go numb and they couldn't open them to speak. So by having the girls gagged in this way, the filmmakers made their film more accurate. I have an illustrated true crime magazine that I picked up about 10 years ago, and it had very detailed illustrations storyboarding the entire crime, especially the bondage. I should try and scan some of these to illustrate the point of how carefully the filmmakers imitated the bondage. Comparing the illustrations to the film version, the published descriptions from books and news stories, they left no stone unturned in trying to replicate this as much as possible in the film. For sickos like myself who enjoy seeing reenactments of true crime psycho-bondage, this movie was a veritable goldmine. Here's a few caps for now, I have some more and will post them shortly. |
Anubis |
Friday February 28 01:42:20 2003 Alias & Angel |
ABC has renewed "Alias" for a third season. TNT has picked up reruns of "Angel" to begin weekdays in the Fall. |
CM |
Friday February 28 03:05:56 2003 Re: Speck |
> Why? Because that was exactly how the Speck girls were > gagged, he used very thin strips of cloth. Interestingly, > they DID work because they were so tight that it made the > victims lips go numb and they couldn't open them to > speak. Let's leave out too much discussion of the crime, stick STRICTLY to the movie. > So by having the girls gagged in this way, the filmmakers > made their film more accurate. How close it adhers is very nearly off-topic. Stick to describing the movie on this page, use AG for other related purposes. > I have an illustrated true crime magazine that I picked > up about 10 years ago, and it had very detailed > illustrations storyboarding the entire crime, This would be off-topic. > For sickos like myself who enjoy seeing reenactments of > true crime psycho-bondage, this movie was a veritable > goldmine. I don't want ANY discussion of this sort of thing. Talk about the movie only, any discussion of serial killers and their fans MUST STAY ON AG. As I said, I'm watching this thread very carefully. It won't take much for me to kick the entire thing out. |
The Moderator |
Friday February 28 03:16:19 2003 Re: Speck |
> As I said, I'm watching this thread very carefully. It
> won't take much for me to kick the entire thing out. I'm sorry, we must have misunderstood each other when I asked about this before and said I was discussing the bondage and illustrating them with the caps. Thats why I kept it striclty to describing the gags. No prob on your ruling about this thread. I also thought the illustrations were on topic because they are from a Detective Magazine. Again, no prob on that ruling. I would like to share more caps if that's okay. There folks, now did I carry on about how strict he is on topicality? |
Anubis |
Friday February 28 03:47:49 2003 Candy Snatchers |
On another subject, I finally got a chance to watch this movie too.
I can see why it's such a popular scene, but I have seen better too. Excellent acting from Susan Sennett. She's bound for almost the whole movie. Worth the effort it took finding this tape. Thanks to those who gave me the details on this scene last month. Great 70's cheeze bondage along the lines of Abductors, Savage Abduction, and Invasion of the Girl Snatchers. It's gonna take a while to cap this one, ugh. |
Anubis |
Friday February 28 07:56:59 2003 Locklear |
Looks like Heather Locklear will be going into bondage retirement since signing for a series where she plays a single mother of 2 daughters - NOT a lot of potential there unfortunately. |
Dario Pula |
Friday February 28 09:12:05 2003 Re: Dishonorable Mention- The Fall Guy |
> > BTW, I love HT as well. In her prime she was hotter than > Heather Locklear, and that's high praise indeed. > I was crazy about Heather Thomas as well. I always fantasized about her being the comic book heroine the Black Canary,complete with fishnets and skimpy costume,getting knocked out and tied up in almost every adventure she had! Its a shame there couldn't have been a "Black Canary" TV show right after "The Fall Guy" went off the air! |
gytalf2000 |
Friday February 28 09:26:53 2003 Drought continues |
Nothing on CSI last night -- it was a repeat, and nothing on Without A Trace, a major missed opportunity. It was about a very attractive young woman who escapes from a mental hospital. No straightjacket scenes, no humane restraint scenes, no cuff scenes. Plus it was generally weakly written.
Now, Van, as to your notion about bondage scenes being rare -- they are not all THAT rare. In fact, they come along pretty regularly in most dramatic series. They are, as might be expected, rare in ensemble comedies, cooking shows and talk shows, thought not completely unknown in those venues. My feeling is that most of the bondage scenes you see don't fully realize their dramatic potential. Even if the only function of the damsel is to create suspense while captured and to provide a happy ending when rescued or if she escapes (or a grim one if she doesn't) a boring tie without much screen time just doesn't do the trick. Your contention is that dramatic considerations often mean that bondage scenes get shorted. I'd argue the opposite. Most of the time, if directors and writers were really hip to what they are doing, they should take more time to establish the discomfort of the DiD, and her peril. If a damsel really looks like she's tired, in pain, frightened half out of her mind, it really adds to the urgency of her rescue. And flashing in periodically to reveal her increasing distress is the way to do it. Just a brief shot of the damsel tied to whatever, looking bored rather than distressed, just establishes the DiD situation in a pro forma kinda way. The audience knows intellectually that there's a DiD scenario, but doesn't fully feel the urgency of the situation. There are exceptions to this rule -- of the rule-proving variety. The very brief scene in last week's John Doe worked because the damsel did such a great job of looking tired and in pain. But one of the reasons it worked was that the damsel was in what was clearly a painful tie-up -- crouched on the floor with her wrists shackled above her head, for many hours by the look of it. The other reason it worked was that the dramatic function of the damsel wasn't to establish a DiD scenario -- John Doe apparently doesn't know she exists, much less that she's in need of rescue -- but to establish that the guys in the train car were bad guys. I think if writers and directors understood the dynamics of DiD scenes, they would produce longer, more intense, and more varied DiD scenes, and that the brief ones would be relatively rare. It's incompetence, not competence, that makes so many blinkies happen. |
Pat Powers |
Friday February 28 10:05:01 2003 Cradle 2:The Grave |
"Vanessa kicks a thug in the crotch, grabs a van key and then drives a van around a warehouse, crashing into things (she can't see since the windows have been painted). They
eventually catch her and we then see that they have her bound and gagged with duct tape." __________________________________________________________ Not sure who 'Vanessa' is in the film. |
Friday February 28 10:12:10 2003 Cradle 2 the grave |
According to screenit.com, "Vanessa" is an 8 year old. |
anon22 |
Friday February 28 11:33:02 2003 New reality show |
Just heard that Fox Network is doing a new reality show, looking for the next Action Hero. Wonder if the competitions will include Damsel-rescuing? Hmm... |
Ron Dam |
Friday February 28 12:03:19 2003 MTV Commercial |
Part of a new "pro-people"campaign-they show a lot people real quick including a tape gagged individual who I'm pretty sure was female
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Friday February 28 12:10:57 2003 Cradle2Grave (2003) |
>Who is Vanessa
Vanessa (Paige Hurd) was born is 1992. |
Friday February 28 13:38:27 2003 Re: Cradle2Grave (2003) |
Kelly Hu and Gabrielle Union are also in the film so perhaps they received treatment not mentioned.
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Friday February 28 13:42:14 2003 Re: Drought continues |
> Nothing on CSI last night -- it was a repeat, and nothing
> on Without A Trace, a major missed opportunity. There was a scene where Poppy Montgomery was looking at the crime scene board with her hands clasped behind her back. Hopefully a taste of things to come. |
Wensleydale |
Friday February 28 13:51:31 2003 Re: Candy Snatchers |
> On another subject, I finally got a chance to watch this
> movie too. I didn't see anything in the scene database. Is there a description somewhere? |
doug |
doug5759@yahoo.com |
Friday February 28 14:14:56 2003 Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding (2003) |
8:00PM-10:00PM, Friday, Feb 28
An old nemesis threatens Mitch's (David Hasselhoff) wedding day as his friends and fellow lifeguards reunite. _____________________________________________________ We hope he'll kidnap the bridesmaids but it will probably be something really lame. |
Friday February 28 14:23:01 2003 Re: Dushku's future |
>>>>Ultimately, the Hellmouth could go unprotected since a
rep for the actress just confirmed she's inked a pilot deal with Fox for an untitled project from writer John Feldman, which would see Dushku as a morgue employee who talks to the dead instead of staking them.<<<<< Let me get this straight. Instead of becoming "THE" SLAYER in a new spinoff series that's almost guaranteed to be a ratings winner, she's going to star in yet another of the "I see dead people" type series that have all failed miserably. Riiiight. Unless the girl is a true idiot, I see this new "series" as just a way to negotiate a better deal with Joss Whedon and whatever network buys the show. |
The Greyman |
vincegrey@thegreyman.net |
http://www.thegreyman.net |
Friday February 28 14:24:53 2003 Re: Drought continues |
> There was a scene where Poppy Montgomery was looking at
> the crime scene board with her hands clasped behind her > back. Hopefully a taste of things to come. Let's hope so |
Ford Prefect |
Friday February 28 16:01:44 2003 Re: Candy Snatchers |
> I didn't see anything in the scene database. Is there a
> description somewhere? Its in the DB, heres the description: Title: Candy Snatchers, The (1973) Medium: Movie Actress: Susan Sennett Description: In a movie that steals plot lines from two real life kidnappings, 70's era revolutionaries kidnap a gem dealer's daughter on her way home from private school. She is wearing her school uniform. Initially, they bind, gag and blindfold her, putting her in a box in the ground. A mute boy of about seven or eight ALMOST rescues the teenaged kidnappee. Later, she is taken out and eventually raped by one male kidnapper. ======================================= We had discussed this movie in detail here about a month ago with more detailed descriptions of the bondage. The posts will come up using the search feature. |
Anubis |
Friday February 28 16:22:38 2003 Re: Baywatch Hawaiian Wedding (2003) |
> 8:00PM-10:00PM, Friday, Feb 28
> > An old nemesis threatens Mitch's (David Hasselhoff) > wedding day as his friends and fellow lifeguards reunite. > _____________________________________________________ > > We hope he'll kidnap the bridesmaids but it will probably > be something really lame. ======= Probably... but I'll be watching just to learn how they're bringing Steph (Alexandra Paul) back from the dead. Also, I saw a quick feature on E! which featured a wet-bikini-catfight!!! :-) |
Van |
vvvan@earthlink.net |
http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
Friday February 28 16:34:09 2003 Re: Speck |
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> > Why? Because that was exactly how the Speck girls were > > > gagged, he used very thin strips of cloth. > Interestingly, > > they DID work because they were so tight that it made > the > > victims lips go numb and they couldn't open them to > > speak. > > Let's leave out too much discussion of the crime, stick > STRICTLY to the movie. I have just watched this movie, and must say that I was ***VERY VERY disappointed** - and not because of the movie's background.. that sort of thing does not bother me in the least. However, I was expecting a bondage bonanza, and it didn't really happen to any real satisfaction IMO. Why? Two reasons. First the movie's lighting was very dark, giving it a real "documentary feel." While it worked on that level, it left the scenes we're interested in a **real midnight lighting fest** similiar to seeing something in, uhh, the 1960's. Secondly, for the most part the bondage footage was **choppy**, **very very choppy.** Most bondage views were scant seconds at a time. Although there were many of them, the quick, quick views turned me off. (If nothing else, this movie's scenes would be an editing nightmare to anyone attempting to add this to their collection). In addition, except for one gagging sequence, there was very little (if any) onscreen binding/gagging. I found this to be **far inferior** to Naked Massacre, another movie that had the same roots. While there may be decent didcaps to come out of this movie, that's basically all there was --- **NO** continuous action that would be of interest to the great majority of us. A real shame, I was expecting some sort of "top 10 material." |
affimed success |
Friday February 28 16:46:20 2003 skandinavian vcr-alert |
I come from northern Europe (Denmark to be specific) and was wondering if anybody from the same area was interested in a form of vcr alert on the tv channels we have? after looking through the vcr alert forum on this site I realise that it is only american... Just sad we do not have the same shows as you guys "over there" (lost world, a large collection of nice soaps etc), cause it seems much more interesting... |
nuller |
Friday February 28 16:52:19 2003 Re: Drought continues |
> Nothing on CSI last night -- it was a repeat, and nothing
> on Without A Trace, a major missed opportunity. It was > about a very attractive young woman who escapes from a > mental hospital. No straightjacket scenes, no humane > restraint scenes, no cuff scenes. Plus it was generally > weakly written. Golly, Pat... you sound kinda... frustrated. :-) (*That* was my point.) > Now, Van, as to your notion about bondage scenes being > rare -- they are not all THAT rare. In fact, they come > along pretty regularly in most dramatic series. They are, > as might be expected, rare in ensemble comedies, cooking > shows and talk shows, thought not completely unknown in > those venues. "Pretty regular...? Exactly *what* is "pretty regular?" Some series on some network (somewhere on planet earth) will give us some sort of DiD-scene, what? ...once a week? ...once a month? How many scenes are "complete," well-photographed, dramatic, & memorable? I still saw... VERY FEW. > My feeling is that most of the bondage scenes you see > don't fully realize their dramatic potential. Even if the > only function of the damsel is to create suspense while > captured and to provide a happy ending when rescued or if > she escapes (or a grim one if she doesn't) a boring tie > without much screen time just doesn't do the trick. > > Your contention is that dramatic considerations often > mean that bondage scenes get shorted. I'd argue the > opposite. When did I contend that? My point ("Van's Law") is: IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE STORY, & NEVER ABOUT THE BONDAGE. Let me put it this way: "Walker Texas Ranger" is *ABOUT* a kung-fu kicking Texas Ranger named Walker who fights cartoonish straw-man villains. It's not *ABOUT* tying up his girlfriend Alex Cahill... even though that happens a lot. Writers & directors are making an endless series of decisions. What's their Guiding Star? ...THE STORY!!!Now... as to whether they're competent or incompetent... > Most of the time, if directors and writers were > really hip to what they are doing, they should take more > time to establish the discomfort of the DiD, and her > peril. If a damsel really looks like she's tired, in > pain, frightened half out of her mind, it really adds to > the urgency of her rescue. And flashing in periodically > to reveal her increasing distress is the way to do it. > > Just a brief shot of the damsel tied to whatever, looking > bored rather than distressed, just establishes the DiD > situation in a pro forma kinda way. The audience knows > intellectually that there's a DiD scenario, but doesn't > fully feel the urgency of the situation. > > There are exceptions to this rule -- of the rule-proving > variety. The very brief scene in last week's John Doe > worked because the damsel did such a great job of looking > tired and in pain. But one of the reasons it worked was > that the damsel was in what was clearly a painful tie-up > -- crouched on the floor with her wrists shackled above > her head, for many hours by the look of it. The other > reason it worked was that the dramatic function of the > damsel wasn't to establish a DiD scenario -- John Doe > apparently doesn't know she exists, much less that she's > in need of rescue -- but to establish that the guys in > the train car were bad guys. > > I think if writers and directors understood the dynamics > of DiD scenes, they would produce longer, more intense, > and more varied DiD scenes, and that the brief ones would > be relatively rare. It's incompetence, not competence, that makes so many blinkies happen. All good... & once again (as an exercise) apply the same general logic to *ANY* dramatic element of Action Adventure TV, like say... THE CAR CHASE!!! :-) Given the pace of TV production, it's a miracle *anything* of quality of any kind ever makes it to the home screen. |
Van |
vvvan@earthlink.net |
http://www.lovetied.com/dug/ |
Friday February 28 17:11:03 2003 Re: Speck |
Most multiple B&G DinD scenes were mostly based on the white slavery plotline (Vegas, Thoroughly Modern Millie). They were fun because you didn't take the plot very seriously.
Scenes based on true stories (especially America's Most Wanted) always leave a queasy feeling no matter how good the scene. |
Arthur Dent |
Friday February 28 17:18:58 2003 Hands Of A Stranger |
Image looks a lot like Laurette Spang from 'Chase'. |
Friday February 28 17:21:55 2003 Detective Mag Cover |
My all-time fave. |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3503654619&category=1160 |
Friday February 28 17:32:30 2003 Re: Anyone Miss/Like This Look? |
> didn't WW also
> confide to the kid who told the bad guys about the belt > that her lasso is unbreakable? One of the great missed opportunities of the entire series. That may be creep from the comics, because I don't recall anyone ever saying it on the show. The lasso was unbreakable in the comics precisely so that they could tie her up with it. The lasso also did more than make people tell the truth. It forced them to obey any command of the person holding it--another one of the B&D ideas incorporated in the comic, and one of the few subtle ones. |
Paul |
Friday February 28 17:45:01 2003 Re: Speck |
> Scenes based on true stories (especially America's Most
> Wanted) always leave a queasy feeling no matter how good the scene. I always wonder whether to put these on my site. For the moment at least, I've decided to do so -- but they're in a special area with a disclaimer, and I've omitted the AMW reenactment of the Polly Klaas tragedy. |
Raffish |
Friday February 28 17:49:51 2003 Re: Virtual Prey clips |
Hi, thanx for the positive feedback. Stay tuned to our site for updates.
Mitch Lerman |
Mitch Lerman |
virtualprey@aol.com |
www.virtualprey.com |
Friday February 28 18:01:03 2003 Re: Detective Mag Cover |
> My all-time fave.
I like that cover too. Cute damsel, nice ropework and the old 'work-off-the-gag-and-scream' idea as in Deadly Embrace. |
Friday February 28 18:24:42 2003 Re: Hands Of A Stranger |
> Image looks a lot like Laurette Spang
Except its Beverly DeAngelo |
Friday February 28 18:28:51 2003 Re: Hands Of A Stranger |
Of course should be spelled D'Angelo
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Friday February 28 18:48:50 2003 Re: Drought continues |
> Golly, Pat... you sound kinda... frustrated. :-)
> (*That* was my point.) Not so much frustrated as, um, disappointed. Yeah, disappointed, that's the ticket!. > "Pretty regular...? Exactly *what* is "pretty regular?" > Some series on some network (somewhere on planet earth) > will give us some sort of DiD-scene, what? ...once a > week? ...once a month? How many scenes are "complete," > well-photographed, dramatic, & memorable? I still saw... > VERY FEW. Pretty regular is less than extremely regular but more than not--so-regular, and about the same as kinda regular. Let's not even talk about irregular. I dunno, during sweeps we can count on about half a dozen scenes from the networks if you include both prime time and soaps, and during new episode periods that don't includes sweeps, at least two or three. I'd call that a conservative estimate. Well, a pretty conservative estimate. > When did I contend that? Well, there's the thing. I thought you did contend that. Although I am rarely if ever wrong ... well, pretty rarely ... I could be wrong in this instance. > All good... & once again (as an exercise) apply the same > general logic to *ANY* dramatic element of Action > Adventure TV, like say... THE CAR CHASE!!! :-) Given the pace of TV production, it's a miracle *anything* of quality of any kind ever makes it to the home screen. Well, I havent analyzed other dramatic elements as much as I've analyzed DiD scenes, for whatever reason. But I don't think good bondage scenes are all THAT miraculous. I mean, we're just talking about tying or chaining up a gal. It's not rocket science. That's what frustrates me more than anything else. If it were somehow difficult to tie women up thoroughly, I'd be more forgiving, But it just isn't. And even though not all guys understand bondage, most guys understand when a gal looks sexy, bound or otherwise. Good bondage is just a matter of following your nose when you smell the cheese. |
Pat Powers |
Friday February 28 18:56:52 2003 Update |
Update now seems to work thanks to MUCHO tech support from the community - thanks a million - enjoy
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Major John |
silent_night_022003@yahoo.com |
http://www.geocities.com/silent_night_022003 |
Friday February 28 20:08:13 2003 Re: Speck |
> I'm sorry, we must have misunderstood each other when I > asked about this before and said I was discussing the > bondage and illustrating them with the caps. Thats why I > kept it striclty to describing the gags. No prob on your > ruling about this thread. I haven't ruled against any of that. However, understand that the topic is very volatile. If it shows signs of spinning out of control, I may reverse myself. Sticking to the movie, and talking as little about the actual crime will be best. > I also thought the illustrations were on topic because > they are from a Detective Magazine. Again, no prob on > that ruling. I would like to share more caps if that's > okay. This is similar to the Joe Millionaire thing. Just because it was in a mainstream publication doesn't make descriptions of the Speck crime on-topic. I was trying in that post to make sure the groundrules are clear to all parties. I don't want any Speck Is Evil posts either. |
The Moderator |
Friday February 28 20:13:36 2003 Baywatch Might Score... |
OK, keep a close eye on BAYWATCH HAWAIIAN WEDDING airing right about.....NOW.
From the opening credits, it looks like they're bringing back the asian bad guy who kidnapped, bound and gagged Mitch's girlfriend way back in the day. This bodes well for a possible scene... |
Roper |
Friday February 28 21:20:40 2003 Re: Baywatch Might Score... |
> OK, keep a close eye on BAYWATCH HAWAIIAN WEDDING airing
> right about.....NOW. > > From the opening credits, it looks like they're bringing > back the asian bad guy who kidnapped, bound and gagged > Mitch's girlfriend way back in the day. > > This bodes well for a possible scene... Y'know that actor (cant remember his name) maybe the most DiD friendly actor ever, having done scenes in Baywatch, Mortal Kombat, White Tiger and probably others, all as the binder. |
steve a |
Friday February 28 21:22:17 2003 Baywatch scene |
The Baywatch movie just produced a scene of a Baywatch babe tied hands behind, tossed off a cliff and now (currently) cufed to a pipe. Some guy interference. Happened about ten minutes prior to this post. |
Pat Powers |
Friday February 28 21:28:38 2003 More Baywatch bondage |
Now we have three different Baywatch couples (i.e., three Baywatch babes and three guys) secured in various ways to various watery deathtraps. One couple cuffed to pipes in an underwater tank that's filling with water. One couple is ankle cuffed to rocks in the surf. Another couple is bound at ankles and wrists to netting staked out on a beach as the tide comes in. No gags. Not a common element of watery deathtraps anyway. |
Pat Powers |
Friday February 28 21:38:29 2003 Re: 70's TV scene |
> True; I still remember the "Three Musketeers" number;
> wouldn't mind seeing that again. Several old E.C. episodes were being shown on the "Noggin" cable channel until recently. The "Three Musketeers" skit was among those shown. That certainly is one of my first DiD memories. Even without a gag, it's pretty good. Incidentally, for one season of E.C., a brief clip from the "Three Musketeers" scene was shown during the opening credits for the show. Funny E.C. hasn't been > re-released on DVD or VHS. That's for sure- there were certainly some fun moments from that show, as well as some good DiD scenes that have been off the air for years. > Another possibility just now crossed my mind: The Carol > Burnett show? They used so much visual humor in that > show it's funny I didn't think of it before; gotta admit > it fits the style and timeframe... Sounds possible. Or perhaps the short-lived "Tim Conway" show. |
PRW |
Friday February 28 22:04:11 2003 More Baywatch bondage!!! |
> Now we have three different Baywatch couples (i.e., three Baywatch babes and three guys) secured in various ways to various watery deathtraps. One couple cuffed to pipes in an underwater tank that's filling with water. One couple is ankle cuffed to rocks in the surf. Another couple is bound at ankles and wrists to netting staked out on a beach as the tide comes in. No gags. Not a common element of watery deathtraps anyway.
------- West Coast alert: This post is not a joke! The three DiDs (in order of their predicament) are: Carmen Electra, Yasmine Bleeth, and Nicole Eggert!! In their bikinis! That's the good news. The bad news is that because the fiend has planned three drowning deaths, it's difficult to see much of the actual bondage displayed, and there are no Gags. :-( Eggert has the most "visible" predicament: wrists tied in front, ankles tied as well. Perhaps the best moment is a moment when the villain's video cameras show each struggling, before going to commercial break. But pretty much the last 50 minutes or so are "About" the bondage predicaments/rescues. Hmm, if only when Baywatch was a TV show, one of the slo-motion video montages had been one (or three) of the lifeguard beauties in bondage... |
Kinky-napper |
Friday February 28 22:37:12 2003 Tied and True Tales updated |
Just a short note to say I've (finally) gotten around to working on and updating TTT again. I've rebuilt the Links page with the addition of several categories organised in a tabular format to make everything easier to use as well as going through everything with a broom and clearing out every dead link between updating new addresses and so on.
I'll work on posting every story contribution I've received for my next update - promise!! I've also got a new Galleries page on the drawing board as well as several other changes for later. Having said that, I'd like to say thanks to my online friends for your support and understanding through what have been a difficult few months for me - very much appreciated. |
mason |
http://www.restainedtastes.com/ttt |
Friday February 28 23:01:20 2003 Salem Witch Trials |
From the comments in the Wall Street Journal review this might have something in it. Remember that it is a two-parter! |
Hermango |
hermango@hotmail.com |
Friday February 28 23:42:27 2003 Sorority Life |
Has anybody seen an ep of MTV's Sorority Life to confirm whether or not there's any bondage in it? |
Pat Powers |
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