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Monday January 27 14:30:05 2003
Re: Can anyone identify this pelicula?

> There was an nice little scene on the Telemundo movie
> early this morning... I missed the opening (and they
> didn't identify the movie at the commercial breaks), but
> it started around 1:30AM in L.A. If someone can name
> that flick I'll give a description of the scene so it can
> be added to the db.
Thanks!
>

ADIÓS AMOR ... it aired at 4 in the SF Bay area, according to my listings. Ed has a cap and brief skinny at the add below.

Biff

Monday January 27 14:40:15 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> When will these writers come to thier senses?

Perhaps when bondage comes completely "out of the closet." It still has not completely done so (although it is much better than it was years ago.) I think that the vast majority of men are turned on by women in bondage. We are just the only ones who are willing to admit it and talk about it.

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 14:43:39 2003
Re: "Kangaroo Jack"

> Someone had to do it so I went to the movie "Kangaroo
> Jack."

Now that's what I call 'taking one for the team'!

Coach

Monday January 27 14:44:49 2003
Re: Veritas: The Quest

> The ABC series looks like it has potential and the lead
> is a definite hottie.

Is that Carly Pope, who was bound and gagged once on "Popular"?

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 14:58:50 2003
Re: Veritas: The Quest, Alias

> > The ABC series looks like it has potential and the lead
>
> > is a definite hottie.
>
> Is that Carly Pope, who was bound and gagged once on
> "Popular"?

Looks just like Carly Pope but it's not. Actress' name is Cobie Smulders. Show looks like a "Prey" type. Let's hope for some scenes.

Brian W.

Monday January 27 15:06:52 2003
Soaps bust

Nothing on the two soap possibilities on Monday.

Blair was attacked by the intruder on "One Life to Live" and was pushed around in some revealing sleepwear before good guys saved the day.

On "Guiding Light," the black glove heading toward Mara was a friend (what a shock).

Brian W.

Monday January 27 15:08:07 2003
Cobie Smulders

was a full tratment DID on "Special Unit 2" last season.

anon22

Monday January 27 15:15:13 2003
Re: Veritas: The Quest, Alias

> The ABC series looks like it has potential and the
> leadis a definite hottie.
>
> Actress' name is Cobie Smulders.

Record number: 6679

Title: Special Unit 2
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Sarah Mutch, Cobie Smulders

Description: Episode: "The Wish" (2.13)

In the last fifteen minutes, the genie waits for Nick O'Malley in his girlfriend Zoey's (Smulders) apartment. Zoey also wears a lovely cleave gag and has her hands tied to the chair arms. Lots of action and closeups as the genie and Nick battle.

Monday January 27 15:16:44 2003
Re: Soaps bust

> On "Guiding Light," the black glove heading toward Mara
> was a friend (what a shock).

No handgag then?

Monday January 27 15:43:54 2003
Re: Soaps bust

> > On "Guiding Light," the black glove heading toward Mara
> No handgag then?
>
No handgag

Brian W.

Monday January 27 15:48:24 2003
No One?

So no one knows where I can find caps of the Angie Harmon, Jessica Biel, Christine Taylor, and Rita Sever scenes?

Monday January 27 16:06:43 2003
Re: No One?

> So no one knows where I can find caps of the Angie
> Harmon, Jessica Biel, Christine Taylor, and Rita Sever scenes?

I have not seen any of those scenes capped, although I would like to see the Angie Harmon one since I didn't see the scene.

Brian W.

Monday January 27 16:51:20 2003
Devious Beings

I watched "Devious Beings" last night; it is a feckless imitation of "pulp Fiction", but there is a good bondage scene that occurs during the final twenty minuctes of the movie.
The damsel in distres is Heather McComb, and she is kidnapped and bound and gagged by a drug dealer. She is tied to a chair and cleave-gagged with a red cloth. There are several scenes in which she appears bound and gagged. The plot of this movie is insipid, but this scene might make it worth watching.

Hadji

Monday January 27 16:54:30 2003
Dragnet

In reference to the references on the alerts page for today: unless my post-Vietnam hallucinations are kicking in again, I believe I spotted a close-up of a pair of tightly bound hands in a promo for the new Dragnet. Couldn't tell the gender, nor was it clear whether the image was from the first episode. Just thought I'd share, apologies if it's a red herring.

Not Brian

Monday January 27 17:30:00 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> Do you really think any man in his 20's or above watches
> sows like Buffy,Fastlane.Charmed,etc., for the plot
> lines? NO. Maybe teenagers really enjoy these shows... When will these writers
> come to thier senses?

Come on. God forbid a show should make an attempt at advancing a plot or a story (okay, fastlane is a poor example). As a writer, I take serios offense to asking when we will come to our senses. Catering to your bondage interests is not the focus of these shows. There are plenty of videos out there that do just this, so see one of them. Stop blaming the writers! And by the way. who are you to say who watches these shows and why. Remember, your opinion is just that, yours. it does not apply to everyone.

Sorry if this is off topic Moderator, but this BS has been going on for far too long.

Monday January 27 17:31:10 2003
Feb sweeps

>> I'll tell ya, the energy for bondage scenes in mainstream
> movies lately is high lately. Be interesting to see how
> TV works out in the February sweeps.

Yeah, I'm getting optimistic about Alias. It's clearly heading into that shark-jumping zone known as 'attract male viewers'. Last night had JG in two lingerie getups, next week preview featured her in a bikini--seems like bondage is a natural next step.

Monday January 27 18:46:28 2003
Re: Cobie Smulders

> was a full tratment DID on "Special Unit 2" last season.

I KNEW that name was familiar!

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 18:56:35 2003
It's the right [!!] "Dragnet" !!

In case anyone was still wondering, the "Dragnet" movie on A.M.C. starting at 6:05 Eastern time/3:05 from my outlet on the Left Coast is the one that featured Thordis Brandt in the opening scenes. Better still, she appears to be in all her glory in an UNcut scene. A true treat!!

Overlooker

Monday January 27 19:02:10 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> Come on. God forbid a show should make an attempt at
> advancing a plot or a story (okay, fastlane is a poor
> example). As a writer, I take serios offense to asking
> when we will come to our senses. Catering to your
> bondage interests is not the focus of these shows. There
> are plenty of videos out there that do just this, so see
> one of them. Stop blaming the writers!

As a fellow writer, I back you up one hundred percent. It's as I've already said a half dozen times. Think YOU can do better? Then get the hell out there and do better already.

This is my biggest problem. No matter what is given, there is a general sense of absolute ingratitude on the part of certain people. If they don't get a scene, it's "how dare they not give us a scene!". If they do get a scene, it's "that scene stunk!" The very people who complain about these things rarely, if ever, contribute a blasted thing beyond the complaints. Anybody can be an armchair writer/director. Try doing the job itself sometime.

And by the way.
> who are you to say who watches these shows and why.
> Remember, your opinion is just that, yours. it does not
> apply to everyone.
>
A further agreement. Speak solely for yourselves if you're dissatisfied. I have no particular problems.

> Sorry if this is off topic Moderator, but this BS has been going on for far too long.

I'll add to that myself. If necessary, I'll take this over to AG, but everytime I read these whiney posts I tend to want to throttle someone...mostly the poster!

Todd 3-D

Monday January 27 19:06:35 2003
rejected post

Moderator, I just tried posting a message and it was rejected for putting the new material on top of the quoted material. I did not do that. I never do that. Then my message was gone. It said "page expired." Just to let you know.

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 19:08:46 2003
Re: Maximum Breakout Question/One Life To Live

> I would disagree on that. I think most renters would be
> infuriated if they rented that movie to see a scene and
> nothing was in there.

Most renters wouldn't rent it just to see a scene. Most renters would rent it because they thought the movie might be amusing.

Todd 3-D

Monday January 27 19:35:42 2003
Re: Veritas: The Quest

> The ABC series looks like it has potential and the lead
> is a definite hottie.
=======

From the network that brought you "Dinodystopia!"

(I'm *usually* the cock-eyed optimist around here, so I thought I'm remind everyone who we're dealing with here. ...of course I *will* watch the show & hope (against hope) to be pleasantly surprised.)

Van

vvvan@earthlink.net

Monday January 27 19:36:43 2003
Re: rejected post

It just did it again!

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 19:42:44 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> As a writer, I take serios offense to asking
> when we will come to our senses. Catering to your
> bondage interests is not the focus of these shows. There
> are plenty of videos out there that do just this, so see
> one of them. Stop blaming the writers!

The following is not directed at the writer of the above post specifically. I am talking about the movie and TV industry in general.

The writing is the most crucial part of the creative process. You can't turn a bad script into a good show. Unfortunately, many TV shows and movies start filming before the script is even completed! Everything starts with the writing.

It is my personal opinion that most movies and TV shows are lousy these days. It is not just the careless writing. It is also the deadly dull acting, intrusive directing and the "creative" decisions that are made by network executives that contribute to the low quality. As a result I do not watch much television and I simply don't go to movies anymore. Most of the time that I have the TV on, I am either recording a bondage scene or keeping an eye on a show that has bondage potential.

If you want people to tune in or buy tickets, there are two things you can do. You can give people a good story (with good writing, good acting, good directing and the absence of network executives making creative decisions.) If you can't (or won't) do that, there is another option. You can give people something that turns them on.

Men are turned on by women in bondage. Most men. Not just "us." If you want viewers, it really is very simple. Give us bound and gagged women!

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 19:52:47 2003
Re: rejected post

> It just did it again!

I think I know what happened. While trimming the quoted portion, I accidentally deleted the ">" symbol at the beginning of the first line. This may have caused the program to "think" that it was not a quote. The ">" symbol was then present on the next line, so technically a line WITHOUT a ">" came before a line WITH a ">", therefore it was "read" as having no-quoted material before quoted material. Once I realized this, I replaced the ">" symbol at the beginning and it worked. Is anyone else following this?

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 20:00:19 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> The writing is the most crucial part of the creative
> process. You can't turn a bad script into a good show.
> Unfortunately, many TV shows and movies start filming
> before the script is even completed! Everything starts
> with the writing.
>
And you know this...how? I didn't realize you worked in the entertainment industry. I didn't realize you were such an expert on how things are done.

What you're talking about rarely, if ever, happens. There's almost always A complete draft of a script. That's how movies and shows are sold.

> It is my personal opinion that most movies and TV shows
> are lousy these days. It is not just the careless
> writing. It is also the deadly dull acting, intrusive
> directing and the "creative" decisions that are made by
> network executives that contribute to the low quality. As
> a result I do not watch much television and I simply
> don't go to movies anymore. Most of the time that I have
> the TV on, I am either recording a bondage scene or
> keeping an eye on a show that has bondage potential.
>
Like I've said before...can you do any better? It takes nothing to be an armchair critic. Let's see samples of your writing. Let's see samples of your movies.

> Men are turned on by women in bondage. Most men. Not just
> "us." If you want viewers, it really is very simple. Give us bound and gagged women!

Again...you know this how? Did you hire out a telephone research place to do a survey for you? Do you have statistics to back up a thing you've said?

It seems to me that the statement that most viewers don't give it a thought one way or another is a lot truer than what you've put forward here.

It also seems to me that there's plenty of bound and gagged women in movies and TV, but you refuse to be satisfied with that. It's a gimme gimme gimme mentality that you're putting forward. Be glad for what you get.

To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw: If you're not happy with what you've got, go out and get or make something you'll be happy with.

Todd 3-D

Monday January 27 20:04:36 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> Do you really think any man in his 20's or above watches
> sows like Buffy,Fastlane.Charmed,etc., for the plot
> lines? NO. Maybe teenagers really enjoy these shows,but
> lets be honest,people like us what did action. I mean
> Tiffany Thiessen abd Rose McGowan are just BEGGING I say
> BEGGING for tight cleve gags. When will these writers
> come to thier senses?

=======

While I agree that "Charmed" (which I had *such* high hopes for when it first aired) & "Fastlane" (which I've *never* had anything even approaching hope for) are rather charmless & pedestrian... I must object: "Buffy???"

"BVS" is one of the most consistently WELL WRITTEN series in the history of TV. I know it's a matter of taste, but GEESH! Film Schools could teach screenwriting & production classes using nothing but "BVS" episodes as source material. Could it have more bondage? Yes... but then I'd like to see EVERYTHING have more bondage (of course.) Anyhoo... a *bad* episode of "Buffy" is still good television. A *GOOD* episode of "Buffy" is... TIMELESS. (...& that's why when they do *anything* approaching bondage on "BVS"... we go *NUTS*!)

Sorry Mr. Moderator... I just had to say it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/buffy/gallery/season5/images/340/dawnbuffy_s5.jpg

Van

vvvan@earthlink.net

Monday January 27 20:07:26 2003
Re: Maximum Breakout Question/One Life To Live

> > I would disagree on that. I think most renters would be
>
> > infuriated if they rented that movie to see a scene and
>
> > nothing was in there.
>
> Most renters wouldn't rent it just to see a scene. Most
> renters would rent it because they thought the movie
> might be amusing.

I think that most renters would be at least somewhat dismayed to find that there is no bondage scene in this movie corresponding to the sexually enticing image on the package.
The company that markets the video knows that the image of a bound and gagged and beautiful young woman will induce people, especially guys, to rent the movie.

Hadji

Monday January 27 20:19:23 2003
Devious Beings

If you go here http://deviousbeings.com/jstill.html there is a picture of Heather McComb just after the gag has been pulled from her mouth. She is still tied to a chair.

Monday January 27 20:23:57 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> It's a gimme gimme gimme mentality
> that you're putting forward. Be glad for what you get.
>
> To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw: If you're not happy
> with what you've got, go out and get or make something you'll be happy with.

Here, here! If you can't appreciate what you've got, then you better get what you can appreciate!

Henry Higgins

Monday January 27 20:25:48 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

>> Here, here! If you can't appreciate what you've got,
> then you better get what you can appreciate!
>
Thank you! Thank you! I knew it was something like that! (Gotta bone up on my Shaw)

Todd 3-D

Monday January 27 21:05:43 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> > The writing is the most crucial part of the creative
> > process. You can't turn a bad script into a good show.
>
> > Unfortunately, many TV shows and movies start filming
> > before the script is even completed! Everything starts
>
> > with the writing.
> >
> And you know this...how? I didn't realize you worked in
> the entertainment industry. I didn't realize you were
> such an expert on how things are done.

I never said that I was an expert. Okay, let's ask any experts out there. Do many movies and TV shows start shooting before a script is finished?
>
> What you're talking about rarely, if ever, happens.
> There's almost always A complete draft of a script.
> That's how movies and shows are sold.

Experts, is this true?
>
> > It is my personal opinion that most movies and TV shows
>
> > are lousy these days. It is not just the careless
> > writing. It is also the deadly dull acting, intrusive
> > directing and the "creative" decisions that are made by
>
> > network executives that contribute to the low quality.
> As
> > a result I do not watch much television and I simply
> > don't go to movies anymore. Most of the time that I
> have
> > the TV on, I am either recording a bondage scene or
> > keeping an eye on a show that has bondage potential.
> >
> Like I've said before...can you do any better? It takes
> nothing to be an armchair critic. Let's see samples of
> your writing. Let's see samples of your movies.

I also am not getting PAID to be a writer. Besides, we need people to be armchair critics. You can't trust professional critics.
>
> > Men are turned on by women in bondage. Most men. Not
> just
> > "us." If you want viewers, it really is very simple.
> Give us bound and gagged women!
>
> Again...you know this how? Did you hire out a telephone
> research place to do a survey for you? Do you have
> statistics to back up a thing you've said?

I don't have statistics in front of me, but that was what I learned in a class I took. And it makes sense.

> It also seems to me that there's plenty of bound and
> gagged women in movies and TV, but you refuse to be
> satisfied with that. It's a gimme gimme gimme mentality
> that you're putting forward. Be glad for what you get.

This has nothing to do with what I or someone else thinks is "enough." This is a matter of marketing. If you want to sell something to people, give them what they want, even if they already have a lot of it.

Todd, what are you getting so defensive for? You are putting bound and gagged women in your videos, and you are wise to do so.

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 21:07:10 2003
Dragnet 1969

Did anyone else get this on AMC today? It was uncut, not edited to hell, the quality was crystal clear and not faded and old. The lighting was also clearer, didn't have dark blurriness that old shows usually have.

Anubis

Monday January 27 21:07:19 2003
Dragnet

I don't think the alert for Dragnet is correct...last time I checked, I thought the series premiered on a Sunday (being 6 days from now).

Goten

Monday January 27 21:09:15 2003
Re: It's the right [!!] "Dragnet" !!

> In case anyone was still wondering, the "Dragnet" movie
> on A.M.C. starting at 6:05 Eastern time/3:05 from my
> outlet on the Left Coast is the one that featured Thordis
> Brandt in the opening scenes.

Yeah, they announced it as starring Dan Akroyd and Tom Hanks on the commercial tho. For a moment I thought there was a mistake in the TV Guide.

Anubis

Monday January 27 21:16:56 2003
Re: Dragnet 1969

> Did anyone else get this on AMC today?

For those who missed it, my guide says it repeats at 1:45 a.m. Tues morning (i.e., in about five hours).

Pat Powers

Monday January 27 21:22:35 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

Like Siskel and Ebert said a few years back, the questio shouldn't be 'how come so many bad movies get made?', but rather given the quality of directors and writers 'how any good movies get made at all?'.

BTW
When was the law passed forcing anyone to become a movie writer?

Until you can prove that you were some how forced against your will to be a screenwriter, quit your bitchin when people complain about the quality of your work !!!!

There are those of us here who were legally forced to do things we didn't want to do.

We don't need a bunch of whiners doing what they want to do and then getting all pissy when their customers say they are doing a rotten job.

Sorry for the rant Brian, but these entertainment types acting like we should kiss their ass really piss me off.

Jacot

Monday January 27 21:23:35 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

I think we had better end this thread or the Moderator will end it for us. It is getting "divisive." I have no desire to "divide our ranks." I was just about to post another message about this, but I axed it. What else can we discuss tonight?

Tapemaster

Monday January 27 21:41:15 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> Again...you know this how? Did you hire out a telephone
> research place to do a survey for you? Do you have
> statistics to back up a thing you've said?

There have been several national survey indicationg that interest in sexual bondage is commonplace. The Glamour one and a couple of others. A year or so ago I cited several such surveys I found easily via Google searches.

I expect most people's interest in mainstream bondage scenes is kinda casual, but it's probably there at some level. I suspect that it's one of those factors that pumps up interest in shows without intruding on viewers' conscious minds.

If you don't think bondage scenes interest people, why do you think it's so common for bondage imagery to be used in marketing films and TV shows? Even misleadingly used, as in "Maximum Breakout"?

> It also seems to me that there's plenty of bound and
> gagged women in movies and TV, but you refuse to be
> satisfied with that. It's a gimme gimme gimme mentality
> that you're putting forward. Be glad for what you get.

Well, I think the valuable function this page might serve for some is a place to vent when you're disappointed with a mainstream scene, or the absence of one. Where else would you go to voice such concerns and expect to find people who'd understand what you were talking about?

Pat Powers

Monday January 27 21:50:54 2003
Re: Soaps bust

> On "Guiding Light," the black glove heading toward Mara
> was a friend (what a shock).

Good job predicting that nothing would happen. When I saw your post yesterday, i said "I hope he is wrong, but he probably isn't." IMO, this particular plot routine is getting a little old.

mornad

mornad4@yahoo.com

Monday January 27 22:13:43 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> I think we had better end this thread or the Moderator
> will end it for us. It is getting "divisive." I have no
> desire to "divide our ranks." I was just about to post
> another message about this, but I axed it. What else can
> we discuss tonight?

{Sigh} You're probably right. What else to discuss...?

Okay:
Who is the *ULTIMATE* one-that-got-away?
AUDREY HEPBURN ...or... JULIE ANDREWS?
Discuss. :-)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1280/33-343.jpg

http://home.clara.net/digger/sixties/julieandrews.jpg

Van

vvvan@earthlink.net

Monday January 27 22:30:39 2003
Re: WHERE'S DA BONDAGE?

> Okay:
> Who is the *ULTIMATE* one-that-got-away?
> AUDREY HEPBURN ...or... JULIE ANDREWS?
> Discuss. :-)

HEPBURN. Definitely Audrey Hepburn. Beauty, grace, style poise, strength, humor. Everything that made Diana Rigg/Emma Peel an ultimate DiD.

Though I couldn't see AH karate-chopping Alan Arkin in Wait Until Dark. :-))

Monday January 27 22:34:39 2003
The one that got away

> Okay:
> Who is the *ULTIMATE* one-that-got-away?
> AUDREY HEPBURN ...or... JULIE ANDREWS?
> Discuss. :-)

Of the two of them, I would pick Audrey Hepburn. How did you come up with those two choices, Van? Neither of them has been bound at all, or just not gagged?

Tapemaster