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Thursday January 16 00:34:23 2003
Re: Sexiest Looking?
> Which actresses do you think looked the sexiest in their
> DiD scenes?
All, isn't that why we have this fetish.
hallbird
Thursday January 16 01:32:56 2003
Att: Francky
Francky:

Could you please send me an e-mail?

Some of our Southern neighbours are interested in your VHS machine alerts.
Thanx
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Thursday January 16 03:06:37 2003
Dynasty
>
> For my question now... The DYNASTY scenes with Linda
> Evans were great, underrated scenes that went on for a
> long time. Dynasty is presently being rerun on Soapnet
> cable channel. Anyone know when/what season these scenes
> appeared on the show? Is Soapnet close to running them again?


The database pegs the Linda Evans scenes as being from season six. I don't get Soapnet, so I can't tell you if they're close. When George Hamilton joins the cast, you may want to start taping, since he is the one who binds and gags Linda.
Canucklehead
Thursday January 16 03:48:25 2003
Re: why not, Man Show?
I have not watched The Man Show regularly of late, but in the very first episodes they had a recurring bit where Jimmy Kimmel's wife would call him from home (also shown onscreen) to "express herself, get equal time and tell a woman's side of the story" -- i.e., chew Jimmy out really good. However, some freak interruption would always come up and cut her off before she really got started, leaving her visibly frustrated.

Seemed like a prime opportunity for the treatment -- for example, just as Mrs. Kimmel started her tirade, they could show a burglar breaking in, tying her to a chair and gagging her. And it would be in character for Jimmy Kimmel to say nonchalantly, "Honey, I see you have company. I'll be a few hours late coming home tonight -- don't wait up!"

Kimmel's wife (or the actress portraying her) was no Juggie type, but she was passable and had that angry spitfire thing going for her. Why not, indeed?
WK
Thursday January 16 04:00:03 2003
Re: Macgyver scene

> The scene is not in the database, but it seems the
> episode already is: It is from the episode "Obsessed"
> (7.3), so it's one of the latest.
> Seems the point "dressed in military garb" is not true,
> but otherwise your scene description fits perfectly -
> this must be a unique situation in the series.
>
> See the link for some vidcaps.

Thanks Peter, that's the one! Sorry about my faulty description pertaining to her outfit. I see from the stills she was surrounded by a group dressed in military clothing - it was so long ago I couldn't remember exactly!
Thursday January 16 04:21:07 2003
Re: why not, Man Show?
> Is any other former bondage model that also appeared on
> Mainstream Media? What about Nikki Nova? Andrea Neal?

The only one that I know of is actress Michelle Bauer, who used the name Pia Sands as a bondage model. The database shows that she has 2 bound-and-gagged scenes and 2 no-gag scenes to her credit.

Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Thursday January 16 05:04:21 2003
Sweat and bondage
>...I realized how much I like HOT i.e. cute girls sweating in bondage. I am sure this is something some will like more then others, but off hand I can not think of to many scenes.
----------------
Such scenes are probably fewer than one would think, since it seems to be a Hollywood convention that actresses don't sweat, they prespire. So no matter if a DiD is menaced by a buzzsaw or tied to the railroad tracks, no sweat "mars" their closeups. E.g., other than sauna scenes, it's hard to recall one of the Charlie's Angels sweating (even when undergoing Army basic training or football practice in helmets and pads).

A couple of Sweating scenes:
* Story of O (1975): Especially for the scene where Corinne Clery exhibits herself shackled spread-eagled and post-whipping, to discourage the young man who'd developed a crush on her.

* Temptation (1994): Alison Doody, with some great closeups of her frantically working to free herself of her duct tape bonds, so she can rid herself of the bomb taped to her as well as her two-piece Gag.
Kinky-napper
Thursday January 16 06:26:27 2003
Re: TWILIGHT ZONE

>
> Tonight Twilight Zone has a good plot, Stepford Wife kind
> of thing with pretty mom the last one to go.

Sorry, but TWILIGHT ZONE had no bondage in either story.





Greg
gb9304@yahoo.com
http://greggerbits.tripod.com
Thursday January 16 10:10:01 2003
Re: Smallville
> Instead, they tie up a putz and an older woman, leaving
> the two hotties unbound. Makes you wonder if the writers
> have ever read the comics. Heroes are supposed to save > DAMSELS in distress. Why else would we need them?

We all want to see Ms. Kreuk B&G but keep in mind it wasn't until season 4 of TJ Hooker when Heather Locklear finally got the full treatment.
Thursday January 16 10:45:05 2003
Re: In praise of "ageless" Dids
> > A pity that Bo Derek hasn't had a more recent entry
> > topping her Tarzan the Ape Man (1981) scene:
>
> I'm pretty sure Bo Derek has a scene in 'Bolero' where
> she's tied up and taken aboard a plane.

Coincidentally 'Bolero' was shown last night on Showcase Network. She does get kidnapped and eventually has her hands in the front seat of a monoplane but then undoes the cloth with her teeth and jumps out!

The whole abduction episode has to be of the worst pieces of filmmaking ever, thanks to hubby director John Derek.



Canuck
Thursday January 16 11:39:39 2003
Re: Smallville
> We all want to see Ms. Kreuk B&G but keep in mind it
> wasn't until season 4 of TJ Hooker when Heather Locklear
> finally got the full treatment.

Yeah but she wasn't in the series originaly and when she first joined she had a teeny tiny roll as a desk clerk. Ms. Kruek started out as the female lead of a super hero type show. They just don't make em likethey used to!
Mark C
Thursday January 16 12:21:07 2003
Next week's Smallville
Good news, if only at first glance: Scene vet Annette O'Toole <full treatments in Nash Bridges and The Huntress) is taken hostage in a huge building, albeit with a putz (John Glover).

Bad news: No bondage at all shown in trailer on the WB site, just Annette (who is still very attractive, IMHO) being pushed around by the baddies. (And as many have noted, Smallville sure isn't VIP where it comes to working in scenes.) This looks just like a "Bonnie Bedilia in Die Hard" situation. So this is more likely an anti-alert than anything, but I'm sure we'll want to check it out just in case.

Here's the pertinent part of the episode description from thewb.com:

*********
...things get out of control when Lionel and Martha (Annette O'Toole) surprise the thugs and are taken hostage. Clark (Tom Welling) must figure out a way to save his mother without exposing his powers....
********
Hibiscus
http://thewb.com/Shows/Episode/0,8201,||1237,00.html
Thursday January 16 12:21:51 2003
Re: Top Five Mainstream DIDs On DVD

> > Okay, pretend your collection is gone and you can buy
5 mainstream DVDs.

> -------------------
> * Story of O (1992 10-part Miniseries version).
> * Story of O (1975). Only one scene w/ a gag, but that's
> enough to qualify.
> * The Abductors
> * The Collector
> * Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's not "about" the bondage;
> it's just a classic movie.
>
> Some other candidates (e.g., Perils of Gwendoline) are
> not available on DVD.

Interesting. Only cleave was "Raiders Of The Lost Arc." There has to be more easily bought, on DVD, cleave gag scenes. Anyone?

Thursday January 16 12:29:44 2003
Tonight's Without a Trace
A better bet than Smallville, though who knows how it will play out, is this episode. From the CBS site:

******
Malone and the team search for a pregnant woman after she disappears from a hospital before being told that she has serious complications.
******

Click on the trailer and you'll note that she's -seriously- pregnant. The actress, in any event, is young and moderately attractive. And this show has given us a couple of scenes already, including last week's "blinker."
Hibiscus
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/without_a_trace/
Thursday January 16 13:01:04 2003
Re: Top Five Mainstream DIDs On DVD
> Here are my favorites scenes. I have not included scenes
> that I have not seen (even if the vidcaps looks great.)

Great list, Tapemaster. It brought back some good memories & also reminded me of a few on my wish list.

One difficulty with this proposition is that several films we like are no longer "in stock" and available for purchase from Amazon. Also, not every film has been converted to DVD yet. Our choices are pretty slim if we only have to buy what's commercially available on DVD. Right now, "Naked Gun 2 1/2" and the Superman cartoons are the only DiD-related DVDs I have. I know there are others, but these are the only ones I've bothered to buy. (I haven't seen "The Collector" on DVD yet, although someone mentioned that it is now available. I may get that one later).

PRW
Thursday January 16 13:02:18 2003
Re: Sweat and bondage
> >...I realized how much I like HOT i.e. cute girls
> sweating in bondage. I am sure this is something some
> will like more then others, but off hand I can not think
> of to many scenes.
> ----------------
E.g., other than
> sauna scenes, it's hard to recall one of the Charlie's
> Angels sweating (even when undergoing Army basic training
> or football practice in helmets and pads).
>
>
There was the Charlies Angels scene where they were investigating a spa, and Cheryl Ladd was captured by the evil matron and wrapped in hot towels (sort of a mummification scene, to pick up on another recent post). IFRC, she was sweating nicely as the villian was about to finish her off (death by hot towel to the face) when the other angels break in and rescue her. Tied in the hot sun might also be a good place to look for sweat--Red Sun with Ursula Andress or The Duchess and the Dirtwater Fox with Goldie Hawn, for example.
ss
Thursday January 16 13:03:36 2003
Re: Smallville
> > We all want to see Ms. Kreuk B&G but keep in mind it
> > wasn't until season 4 of TJ Hooker when Heather
> Locklear finally got the full treatment.
>
> Yeah but she wasn't in the series originaly and when she
> first joined she had a teeny tiny roll as a desk clerk.
> Ms. Kruek started out as the female lead of a super hero
> type show. They just don't make em likethey used to!

Heather only missed the pilot and replaced cute blonde April Clough who received a nice handgag in her one appearance.

Stacey Haidiuk in 'Superboy' also did pretty well in escaping B&G scenes.
Thursday January 16 13:39:28 2003
Re: Top Five Mainstream DIDs On DVD

> > * Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's not "about" the
> bondage;
> > it's just a classic movie.
> >
> > Some other candidates (e.g., Perils of Gwendoline) are
>
> > not available on DVD.
>

Actually, neither is "Raiders", at this point. Next fall, I hear, though that could easily change.
Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound
Thursday January 16 14:01:19 2003
Re: Smallville
>
> Heather only missed the pilot and replaced cute blonde
> April Clough who received a nice handgag in her one
> appearance.

April was in the whole first season and the seson premiere of the second.

>
> Stacey Haidiuk in 'Superboy' also did pretty well in
> escaping B&G scenes.

She sure did. Another dud take on Superman however super hero shows until recently have always been a good source of DID scenes. There was Batman, Green Hornet, Superman, Zorro, Spiderman, Wonder Woman,Captian America, The Flash, and tons of super hero cartoons and old serials all providing many of the best scenes of all time so your example doesn't really say much.Other super hero dud shows include Shazam and Isis. There are probably more duds out there as well as more shows with good scenes that I can't think of off the top of my head.Over all the super hero genre was one of the best scene producers of all time until recently!
Mark C
Thursday January 16 14:23:34 2003
Superman
Lois Lane - Teri Hatcher, Noel Neill, Phyliss Coates
Lana Lange - Kristin Kreuk, Stacey Haiduk

B&G score is about 20 to 1 in favor of the Lois's (I don't count Stacey's useless stuff gag).
Thursday January 16 14:24:11 2003
Re: why not, Man Show?
>
> > > Is any other former bondage model that also appeared
> on
> >
> > > Mainstream Media?

Linnea Quigley is yet another mainstream media actress who began her career as a bondage model. She modeled for Harmony under the alias Jessie Dalton.
Hadji
Thursday January 16 15:02:25 2003
QUESTION
What happens in the episode of First Wave: Motel California? Philly Ed had an alert but its not in the database.
Bowers
Thursday January 16 15:30:40 2003
Re: Sweat and bondage

> There was the Charlies Angels scene where they were
> investigating a spa, and Cheryl Ladd was captured by the
> evil matron and wrapped in hot towels (sort of a
> mummification scene, to pick up on another recent post).
> IFRC, she was sweating nicely as the villian was about
> to finish her off (death by hot towel to the face) when
> the other angels break in and rescue her.
>
Oh I love that scene! Cheryl got KOed when she was captured,by the way (a lot of us like the KO as much as,if not more than,the bondage!)--and I always thought the "menaced by hot towels" scenario was very unique and inventive,not to mention downright erotic! I remember Cheryl moaned real good...now for that hot shower! Ha!
gytalf2000
Thursday January 16 15:49:40 2003
Re: Sweat and bondage
> There was the Charlies Angels scene where they were
> investigating a spa, and Cheryl Ladd was captured by
> the evil matron

Chery must have the record for most times escaping the gag when the situation called for it.

Bosley
Thursday January 16 15:53:47 2003
Re: Sweat and bondage
>
> > There was the Charlies Angels scene where they were
> > investigating a spa, and Cheryl Ladd was captured by
> the
> > evil matron and wrapped in hot towels (sort of a
> > mummification scene, to pick up on another recent
> post).
> > IFRC, she was sweating nicely as the villian was about
>
> > to finish her off (death by hot towel to the face) when
>
> > the other angels break in and rescue her.
> >
> Oh I love that scene! Cheryl got KOed when she was
> captured,by the way (a lot of us like the KO as much
> as,if not more than,the bondage!)--and I always thought
> the "menaced by hot towels" scenario was very unique and
> inventive,not to mention downright erotic!

Add me to that list, too. I loved that scene, especially when Cheryl gets pushed around, thrown against a table and lamp and knocked out so easily. Also, spa lady then drags her by the arms across the room as the scene shifts.

Cheryl groaned so nicely when answering questions, then let out a classic "This is murder!" line to the evil spa lady right as she was putting the final towel toward her face. Spa lady says something like "Don't fight it. I'll be easier on you" before the save by the Angels, who then unwrap her. Wow.
Brian W.
Thursday January 16 16:14:43 2003
Re: "TCM 2003"
> Put TCM 5 in google and you get the script. Don't know if
> it's final draft or even the real thing.

That script is fake. It's been on the net for about 4 years.
atkin
Thursday January 16 16:16:11 2003
Chainsaw remake
is this picture from the original or the remake (which is what the article relates to)?
steve a
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=985&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Thursday January 16 16:32:11 2003
Re: Smallville

>
> Stacey Haidiuk in 'Superboy' also did pretty well in
> escaping B&G scenes.

You mean the two gag scenes and the four or five tie-ups she had don't count?

Thursday January 16 18:00:06 2003
Re: Smallville
> There was Batman, Green Hornet, Superman,
> Zorro, Spiderman, Wonder Woman,Captian America, The
> Flash, and tons of super hero cartoons and old serials
> all providing many of the best scenes of all time

With the availability of computerized special effects they have replaced spies and gangsters with superpowered villains, who have creative ways of menacing damsels. Smallville, with its "monster of the week" structure, does this more than most. And Smallville is less a superhero show than a teenage angst show. It has more in common with Dawson's Creek than with Batman.

>Other super hero dud
> shows include Shazam and Isis.

Both made during a period when Hollywood was self-consciously championing "positive moral values." Villains that were purely evil were out, misguided juvenile bicycle thieves were in. Actually, anything that cost more than $50 to shoot was out. A terrible waste of Captain Marvel, quite aside from the DiD angle.
Paul
Thursday January 16 18:02:57 2003
Re: Tonight's Without a Trace

> Malone and the team search for a pregnant woman after she
> disappears from a hospital before being told that she has
> serious complications.

Further examination of the description shows that she has been taken away by some cult or such to "protect" her, so it's likely she's in friendly surroundings.
Paul
Thursday January 16 18:45:10 2003
Re: Chainsaw remake
> is this picture from the original or the remake (which is
> what the article relates to)?

I think neither. The movie is set to release in October 2003, directed by Marcus Nispel, produced by Michael Bay, and written by Tobe Hooper (who directed the original). It's supposed to be a "reconceptualzation" of the original. If it comes close as a remake that means Jessica Biel will probably play the Marilyn Burns character from the original. Erica Leerhsen, from Blair Witch 2 is the other female lead.

Thursday January 16 18:59:54 2003
Re: Top Five Mainstream DIDs On DVD
> > Here are my favorites scenes.
>
> Great list, Tapemaster. It brought back some good
> memories & also reminded me of a few on my wish list.

Are any of the movie serials that I mentioned (or any others that I did not mention) available on DVD? I know that movie serials are quite available on VHS, but I don't know about DVD.



Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Thursday January 16 19:09:30 2003
Cheryl Ladd
>
> > There was the Charlies Angels scene where they were
> > investigating a spa, and Cheryl Ladd was captured by
> the
> > evil matron and wrapped in hot towels (sort of a
> > mummification scene,

I was heartbroken that Cheryl did not get gagged in that scene. It would have been a classic. Was she barefoot in that scene? I don't remember.

I always thought Cheryl Ladd would make a great Black Canary.


Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Thursday January 16 19:17:36 2003
Re: Chainsaw remake
> > is this picture from the original or the remake (which
> is
> > what the article relates to)?
>
> I think neither.

The picture of the woman on the meat-hook is a production
still from the original. Every TCM sequel has been lame and campy. The next one will be too.
Thursday January 16 19:22:30 2003
Re: Top Five Mainstream DIDs On DVD
> Are any of the movie serials that I mentioned (or any
> others that I did not mention) available on DVD? I know
> that movie serials are quite available on VHS, but I
> don't know about DVD.

There's only about 18 serials on true DVD right now. Of those, there's only one with a full treatment scene and that's Jungle Girl. Ungagged DiDs can also be found in Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon's Trip to Mars, and Shadow of Chinatown.

Possible alert: late in February, the previously lost 1945 serial Secret Agent X-9 will be released on video and DVD. It's from the time period that a lot of the Universal serials produced scenes from (and heck, a lot of serials produced scenes from), so it may or may not have something. Two other recently re-discovered serials (Jungle Jim and the 1937 version of Secret Agent X-9) had nothing in them.

There is a rumor of Ghost of Zorro and Zorro's Fighting Legion hitting DVD later this year. Both had scenes.





Todd 3-D
todd3d@yahoo.com
http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com
Thursday January 16 19:25:46 2003
ADDENDUM
There's also an ungagged DiD in Return of Chandu, which is also on DVD. Forgot about that one.
Todd 3-D
todd3d@yahoo.com
http://cliffhangerproductions.8m.com
Thursday January 16 19:38:32 2003
Re: Chainsaw remake

> still from the original. Every TCM sequel has been lame
> and campy. The next one will be too.
It is just the luck of the draw my friend. This time we may get a royal flush ! I read that they want to keep the gor level down big time and this is good because they will feel better about having a girl tied up ( and gagged)if she is not going to be done in. I would be happy for a good handgag as well. Lets face it very few slasher films have had bondage scenes , so this movie not having a lot of gor etc should only help.

Alex Bond
http://www.sosbound.com
Thursday January 16 21:38:33 2003
Re: Cheryl Ladd----Black Canary
> >

> I always thought Cheryl Ladd would make a great Black
> Canary.
You are right,Cheryl would have made a good Black Canary. My first choice,however,would definitely be Heather Thomas of "Fall Guy" fame--as a matter of fact,I fantasized about her in those sexy fishnets quite often way back in the 1980s! She starred in my dreams as Black Canary,and got KOed and tied up all the time! I really wish that they would make a new "Black Canary" TV series and actually do it right,with the traditional costume and with our heroine getting knocked out every way imaginable and put into bondage almost every episode! Of course,that will never happen,given today's politically correct climate!



gytalf2000
Thursday January 16 21:51:13 2003
Re: Cheryl Ladd----Black Canary
> I really
> wish that they would make a new "Black Canary" TV series
> and actually do it right,with the traditional costume and
> with our heroine getting knocked out every way imaginable
> and put into bondage almost every episode!

I completely agree. I have been saying here for quite some time now that if the WB network (which would be able to get the rights to the DC Comics characters) wants a sure-fire hit show, they should make a faithful Black Canary series with the original costume. It would have action, adventure, mystery, suspense, and plenty of sex appeal (especially if she gets bound and gagged often.)





Tapemaster
km574@yahoo.com
Thursday January 16 21:54:20 2003
Re: Smallville------"Isis" scenes?


>
> >Other super hero dud
> > shows include Shazam and Isis.
>
I only vaguely recall the Isis show. I was a teenager when the show came on and thought Joanna Cameron as Isis was almost as attractive as Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman. I watched a couple of episodes and thought them fairly insipid. I kept meaning to tune in again to see if things might get a bit more exciting--after all,it was around this time that Wonder Woman was producing classic KO and bondage scenes like the famous "Fausta" and "Baroness Von Gunther" episodes--but I never got around to it! So I take it you are saying that the lovely Isis was never put into any peril?

gytalf2000
Thursday January 16 22:07:23 2003
Are gags a necessary component?
I have been lurking around this forum for a few years,even though I have only started posting fairly recently. As I have stated before,KO scenes (and carrying scenes,whether cradle or over-the-shoulder!) do more for me than the bondage,even though I am also quite fond of any scene with an attractive (and hopefully scantily-clad!) woman restrained by ropes,chains,or various other methods! Now,as far as the bondage goes, I get the distinct feeling that quite a number of you feel that a bondage scene is simply not complete without a gag. I have never felt this way--a gag is not necessary for me;it neither helps nor hinders the scene,I am fairy indifferent to it. Who else here feels the way I do? Anybody?
gytalf2000
Thursday January 16 22:15:29 2003
Re: The Life Of David Gale - Kate Winslet
Kate Winslet handcuffs and tapegags herself. You see her placing the tape on her mouth. She handcuffs herself behind the back and lays on the floor..Alot of mmphing

Keep in mind..this movie doesn't hit theaters unti Feb 21st
Thursday January 16 23:02:21 2003
Re: Smallville------"Isis" scenes?
> So I take it you are saying that the lovely Isis was
> never put into any peril?

Bear in mind that Isis was a show targeted at children, while WW aired on primetime. To answer your question, no I don't believe there was any tie up scenes on the live action version of Isis. It was kind of a shame too because her character depended on being able to speak some magic words in order to use her powers or even turn into Isis, which would have made a perfect scenario for her to be gagged.

The lovely actress who played Isis, Joanna Cameron, was gagged briefly on an episode ("Deadly Dust") of the live action Spiderman show from the same era. Also, there was an animated Isis series where Isis was restrained and gagged by some type of plant. That series also featured an animated version of Shazam which included the whole Marvel family, including Mary Marvel. I can recall at least a couple episodes where she was gagged.


MadFish
Thursday January 16 23:09:06 2003
Answers and Clarifications
Re: Mainstream models

Yes, nothing new. Dozens of bondage models have done mainstream work under other names -- WAY too many to start to list here (and most certainly off topic). Just about every model CURRENTLY working for FM Concepts does modeling or acting work under another name.

To Kinky-Napper, re: TEMPTATION

Actually, Alison has plastique stuffed into her mouth (vs. it being a standard two-part gag). So, the gag IS the "bomb strapped to her". A unique, and somewhat nasty gag.

To Pat Powers, re: DANGER [sic] BAY

The title of Stacy's project was DANGER BEACH. She never got it off the ground, but did a video with Jay Anthony (of Anton Video) under the title -- but it was nowhere near the scope or level of quality she envisioned.

To Jeb, re: DVDs

You are correct that RAIDERS is not legally available on DVD, but PERILS OF GWENDOLINE most certainly is -- in a really nice Region 2 NTSC import edition (I have a copy). It's also the extended European cut of the film (much longer than the US version). Unfortunately, it's in French with no English subtitles -- but who cares?

To steve A, re: TCM

No, that's a picture from the original -- and the girl has just been hung on a meathook -- she's not tied in any way.

To gytalf2000, re: ISIS

No, no peril for ISIS/Cameron (unless you count the comic book). Agreed that she would have made a fantastic damsel, and the set-up was perfect (magic words to change to ISIS...)

Glad to clear all that up....

Roper

Roper
Thursday January 16 23:23:34 2003
Re: Cheryl Ladd----Black Canary
> I completely agree. I have been saying here for quite
> some time now that if the WB network (which would be
> able to get the rights to the DC Comics characters)
> wants a sure-fire hit show, they should make a faithful > Black Canary series with the original costume. It would
> have action, adventure, mystery, suspense, and plenty of > sex appeal (especially if she gets bound and gagged
> often.)

As much as I would have enjoyed Cherly Ladd or any gorgeous blonde dressed up as BC, I doubt that such a series would ever catch on. The BC we all know and love is from a bygone era. She was created in the 1940s based apparently on some artist's infatuation with Veronica Lake.
An actress running around today in leotard and fishnet stockings would look more like a prostitute than a superheroine.

Besides, with few exceptions, these action/superheroine shows just never seem to catch on. For every Xena: Warrior Princess, there's a half dozen BoP, Black Scorpion, & Sheena type shows that come and go.
MadFish
Thursday January 16 23:35:33 2003
Re: Cheryl Ladd----Black Canary
> Besides, with few exceptions, these action/superheroine
> shows just never seem to catch on. For every Xena:
> Warrior Princess, there's a half dozen BoP, Black Scorpion, & Sheena type shows that come and go.

Let me just add that despite my doubts about the action/superhero(ine) shows, it would not surprise me to one or more spring up this year following the success of Spiderman and anticipation of other superhero movies like Daredevil, The Hulk, and X-Men since TV studios always try to captalize on the success of movies.
MadFish
Thursday January 16 23:39:03 2003
Deleted post report
Title: Re: why not, Man Show?
Poster: Various
Reason: Off-topic.
The Moderator
Thursday January 16 23:39:27 2003
Re: Are gags a necessary component?

> I get the distinct feeling that quite a number of you feel
> that a bondage scene is simply not complete without a
> gag. I have never felt this way--a gag is not necessary
> for me;it neither helps nor hinders the scene,I am fairy
> indifferent to it. Who else here feels the way I do? Anybody?

Well, the real divide isn't between people who are indifferent to gags and those who aren't. It's between those who feel a scene MUST have a gag to be a scene, and those who don't. No one knows how the percentages break down, but there are quite a few people who don't feel gags are essential. I, for example, think gags generally improve a scene, but I hardly feel that they're necessary. There are quite a few fine scenes out there that don't involve gags, though many of them might have been better with gags.

Pat Powers
Thursday January 16 23:46:38 2003
Re: Deleted post report
> Title: Re: why not, Man Show?
> Poster: Various
> Reason: Off-topic.

The only ones left in were those that mentioned actresses
that actually mainstream scenes.
The Moderator
Thursday January 16 23:54:23 2003
Re: Are gags a necessary component?

> Well, the real divide isn't between people who are
> indifferent to gags and those who aren't.

And it's something we've gone over and over. It's
pointless, because no one ever changes anyone's mind.

I've ruled this off-topic in the past, and it still is.
Further posts will be deleted.
The Moderator

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