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| Saturday January 04 01:00:07 2003 "Hack" confirmation for next week |
| The preview for next Friday's (01/10) episode of "Hack" shows an attractive blonde lying on a couch or bed with her hands tied above her head. She's also duct tape gagged. Also shown in a photo and walking around with her hands tied in front.
It looks like the bondage is of the "bulky sweater/coat" variety. The damsels hands are tied with rope but the rope is tied OVER a big sweater and not actually around her wrists. In the walking scene it appears that the rope is around her wrists but her wrists are obscured by the big sweater. |
| CM |
| Saturday January 04 01:00:16 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > Exactly. Promos with bondage in them are almost always
> about the suspense factor, not so much the bondage > itself. The actual bondage is often an afterthought in > the scheme of things, which is a part explanation to the > very fake looking scenes that often occur. Getting the > ropework right isn't a very high priority for anyone > trying to appeal to a mass audience. Getting *anything* right isn't for appealing to a mass audience. After all, too many special interests in there. Things such as parties people hold/attend (they don't look very wild or loud to me), answering machines (what answering machine activates after only two rings?!), and just about any other "small" detail are often overlooked, and come across as unconvincing. See any "movie cliches" list and you'll see what I mean. Ropework is just another "small" detail, but then again, it is also a suspense building one, and therefore one the people in charge should probably be more concerned with. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Saturday January 04 01:19:47 2003 Re: "Hack" confirmation for next week |
| > The preview for next Friday's (01/10) episode of "Hack"
> shows an attractive blonde lying on a couch or bed with > her hands tied above her head. She's also duct tape > gagged. Also shown in a photo and walking around with her > hands tied in front. > So next Friday will feature competing scenes with "John Doe" since both air at the same time with "Doe" also serving up at least a tie-up scene. I think this happened last year, with Melissa George gagged on "Thives" and Jessica Alba gagged on "Dark Angel" on same night, same time. Very rare. |
| Brian W. |
| Saturday January 04 01:40:35 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > Getting *anything* right isn't for appealing to a mass
> audience. After all, too many special interests in there. That's a pretty good point. Ultimately, the argument that bondage isn't important in a scene in which it's featured just doesn't make much sense. Of course it's important. It's part of the scene. I think the ultimate expression of "getting the details isn't important" would be the films of Ed Wood and his ilk. People may like Ed Wood for his goofy films, but nobody RESPECTS him. The cheesy flying saucers and the falling-over tombstones in Ed Woods' films are of a piece with loosies and gags that fall off if the damsel doesn't clench her teeth and manacles twice the diameter of a damsel's fists. > Ropework is just another "small" detail, but then again, > it is also a suspense building one, and therefore one the > people in charge should probably be more concerned with. Sure. After looking at lots of very secure Japanese and Chinese mainstream bondage scenes (the damsel's hands are almost always tied BEHIND her back if she isn't tied TO something and ropes generally go around her upper arms as well) I have to wonder why we can't be as thorough. Then again, we don't use stuff gags for the majority of our gag scenes, and the Chinese do. |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday January 04 01:52:02 2003 another hand gag find |
| That dude from Ghostbusters handgagged a chick in Penitentiary 2. |
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| Saturday January 04 02:13:12 2003 ALIAS |
| Surprised nobody's mentioned it yet but promos on the college championship game showed somebody being about to be tapegagged on the above show. Looked like a man to me, but since I was watching the game in a bar I wasn't able to tape it and tell for sure one way or the other. I know somebody out there has more info. |
| hallbird |
| Saturday January 04 02:19:40 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > That's a pretty good point. Ultimately, the argument that
> bondage isn't important in a scene in which it's featured > just doesn't make much sense. Of course it's important. > It's part of the scene. > Then how do you explain one unrealistic, fake looking scene after another? Mainstream scenes that feature a realistically tied up DiD are the exception, not the rule. If it was considered important, there would be a constant effort to get it right. (Partial) Answer: Bondage is a prop, and props are treated with less care than other details. Example of a detail that is considered important: Make-up and hair. When was the last time anyone saw a poorly groomed female on mainstream media? It almost never happens, especially on soap operas or network programs. This is something producers and performers care about. Meanwhile, are plenty of unrealistic details in mainstream programs, bondage being only one example. For instance, I can't recall ever seeing anyone take out the garbage during a day in the life of a soap opera family. Maybe it just dematerializes. You mention Ed Wood, but there is a lot of difference between someone who purposely churns out garbage and a producer who has to prioritize which details deserve the most attention. For Discussion regulars, ropework may be a big suspense generating event- but the mass audience cares an awful lot less. It is more likely that producers realize this, than it is that they are all a bunch of clueless boobs. |
| Walt Whitman |
| Saturday January 04 03:00:06 2003 Re: ALIAS |
| > Surprised nobody's mentioned it yet but promos on the
> college championship game showed somebody being about to > be tapegagged on the above show. Unfortunately it's the little gadget guy who's seen being gagged in the promo. Of course I'll tape it anyway. Just cause there's nothing in the promo doesn't mean there's nothing in he show. |
| CM |
| Saturday January 04 03:11:52 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > You mention Ed Wood, but there is a lot of difference
> between someone who purposely churns out garbage and a > producer who has to prioritize which details deserve the > most attention. For Discussion regulars, ropework may be > a big suspense generating event- but the mass audience > cares an awful lot less. It is more likely that > producers realize this, than it is that they are all a > bunch of clueless boobs. The act of being tied up is a suspense generating event for many. I remember some time back some regulars on here have mentioned that their spouses, or otherwise non-bondage-concerned friends, have looked at a mainstream scene and said "That's so stupid. *I* can get out of that!" The majority of people care more about the story than about the little details, and are willing to suspend disbelief for a great many things, ropework being one of them. But there are people who notice bad ropework, and they aren't necessarily us Discussion regulars. There are producers who try to get dramatic details correct, and those who don't, thinking that story is much more important than portrayal. That's just not the case for all viewers, and different people notice different flaws, regardless of whether or not the flaw deals with something they are particularly interested in. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Saturday January 04 05:36:54 2003 Recent Deleted Entries |
| Record number: 8264
Title: pacific blue Medium: TV Series Actress: shanna moakler Description: shanna moakler tied up ____________ Record number: 8265 Title: pacific blue Medium: TV Series Actress: shanna moakler Description: shanna moakler tied up _________ Had to delete these two entries tonight. However, If this poster is from Asia? Singapore? Indonesia? etc I'll put the information for episode schedualed that you'd have just finished watching. If you believe there was a scene in this one? Let me know with a better description over on the Data-Base Corrections Page. Thanx Episode: "Overkill" (4.5) Jamie is attracted to a 20 year-old martial artist who saves her from a gang attack. After a series of homicides that Chris is working on, point to the martial artist as a suspect, he commits one last crime and is never heard from again. Russ and Bobby compete for the affections of a sexy French film star who's being stalked while in Santa Monica to promote her latest movie. Guest Cast Vanessa St. Germaine --- Lydie Denier Det. Eric Thomas ------- Carl T. Evans Kyle ------------------- Matty Liu Mike Thacker ----------- Michael Worth Master Han ------------- Yoshi Jenkins Ludo ------------------- Luke Vitale Female Stranger -------- Amy Beth Cohn Woman ------------------ Traci Dority |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Saturday January 04 05:48:02 2003 Angel - Upside down handgag |
| I watch a promo of Angel Re-Run on local TV (Season 2).
Angel (David B) handgag a woman when he was "flying" upside down and pull her up. She was standing outside a house, near a tree and surrounded by several Policemen. Unfortunately I don't know the episode number / the actress. Is it DARLA (Julia Benz)? |
| asian |
| Saturday January 04 06:04:45 2003 Re: Recent Deleted Entries |
| They will show the "Overkill" episode on AXN-Asia Monday 14.00 (Singapore Time). This TV Show is really BORING and I often fall asleep watching it.
My guess is the previous episode, where Monica dates a high ranking cop who like to beat his girlfriends. A friend of Monica try to help her after the maniac cop hit her. Monica said to her friend: "What make you think that I don't like it?" =========================================== 61. Users Monica Harper's sexual involvement with Commander McKinnon escalates. As their on-again, off-again relationship progresses, Bobby Cruz discovers his abusive nature and helps Monica trap McKinnon into backing off. |
| Asian |
| http://www.axn-asia.com/series/synopses.asp?id=40169 |
| Saturday January 04 06:39:54 2003 TV Tales: Charlie's Angels |
| > E! is having a special on Charlies Angels (the TV show) on Sunday. Who knows? Maybe they'll say something interesting.
-------------- E! will show it again today at 4:00PM ET. About a half-hour into the 2-hour documentary, Kate Jackson provides about a full minute's worth of behind the scenes insights into the filming of their most-remembered episode: "Angels in Chains", including some of the practical difficulties they encountered while wearing the accessory. Jackson also poked fun at Sabrina Duncan's infamous orange Ford Pinto (but it managed to really go during those car chase scenes!, she laughed). On the other hand, I'll comment that at least a Pinto was a realistic car for a low-level ex-policewoman to own. Back then, I did wonder at how Kelly, Jill, and Kris could've afforded the purchase cost, maintenance, and insurance on their Mustangs when they were initially hired. Shows you that CA focused their attention on stunningly groomed women, not "unimportant" details like cars. We could wish though, that more producers would utilize the DiD Equations above. E.g., in the "Marathon Angels" episode, even though it turned out that the captors of the two kidnapped runners intended no physical harm to them, at least the episode maintained the suspense buildup by the cuts to the cuffed & gagged ladies in the back of the van, often with closeups of their concerned faces. Contrast this to the clumsily handled episode with Kris Monroe kidnapped by a organized crime boss as bait for her sister, where there was Real danger to both. Yet because Cheryl Ladd was comfortably seated unbound on a sofa in a well-appointed living room with air conditioned house, there just wasn't much "suspense". The "Stand there in the corner of the room and behave yourself while I wait to shoot your husband/boyfriend" (How many times have we seen this schtick occur on TV/movies?) just doesn't ramp up the suspense buildup. Geez, even wrists bound in front w/ a Stuff gag would be an improvement. Some good postings here about the Newtonian equations Gag = Woman in Danger = Suspense buildup. Something that probably makes intuitive sense (like the concept of gravity), but it's nice when someone actually takes time to think up some equations. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday January 04 08:21:13 2003 Re: TV Promos |
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> Sure. After looking at lots of very secure Japanese and > Chinese mainstream bondage scenes (the damsel's hands are > almost always tied BEHIND her back if she isn't tied TO > something and ropes generally go around her upper arms as > well)> > Then again, we don't use stuff gags for the majority of our gag scenes, and the Chinese do. Pat your still referring to one cap site for your opinion of Chinese scenes. Stuff gags don't even come close to being used the majority of times. It's hard to tell from single caps but the stuff gags are mostly in scenes when the women were in public or captured by military or police. There is no real need to keep a woman quiet if your not going to keep her captivity or location a secret so these gags were mostly used to humiliate the woman in the moment rather than gag her long term. That's of course just my guess but my mom is 3/4 Chinese and I grew up watching tons of Chinese movies,TV shows, soaps that she rented and stuff gags aren't that common even if they are used alot more than over here. Going by the did site most people on this forum use when making references to Chinese material stuff gags may be the single most used form of gag but it still only makes up about half the gag scenes on the page.There were plenty of cleaves, otm, and tape gags. There were even a few large wads of cloth that were held in by thin cords or clothes around the head. This webmasters emphisis is on rope work! He has several galleries of his own rope work on models who are nicely bound but never gagged. His traditional rope work was developed by martial art styles and used mostly by military and police. I wish I could remember the proper name for this style in Chinese, it eventualy led to the Japanese style of Hojojutsu. In his effort to show you this kind of rope work in mass media he has chosen to cap the type of scenes where stuf gags do get used alot for the reason given above. If we ever have the pleasure of seeing a site from a Chinese gag snob you will see that real gags are used far more often than stuff gags. On the down side of that you will also see that the great rope work isn't as common as you might think! |
| Mark C |
| http://community.webtv.net/markcinweymouth/ASIANCAPTIVES |
| Saturday January 04 09:45:48 2003 Re: Angel - Upside down handgag |
| > Is it DARLA (Julia Benz)?
Yes, it is. The episode is "Dear Boy" (2.5). Angel grabs Darla after she sets him up for murdering her supposed husband. |
| Holden |
| Saturday January 04 11:30:08 2003 Re: Killing Me Softly |
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> Some people should be grateful that they are allowed to > post at all. That is true. And I am. I certainly understand the idea behind the new system. In this case, I just wanted to make a short comment, and I quoted one sentence only. Had I shorted that sentense down, the post would be impossible to understand. And I had given my message in a few words. The only alternative to post nonsense would have been to try to make up some additional commenting sentencies that at least looked as if they were not nonsense. Would it be possible to make some lower limit for quoted material, so that if the amount is below the limit the percentage rule does not apply? That might make it easier to post short comments. (This is only meant as constructive criticism) |
| Per |
| Saturday January 04 12:07:29 2003 Re: Asian- Recent Deleted Entries |
| > They will show the "Overkill" episode on AXN-Asia Monday
> 14.00 (Singapore Time). Yes, that's the channel that had it schedualed just before the entry appeared as well. Appears a double (or triple?) entry as yet, but I'm giving this fella an opportunity to sort it out here. > This TV Show is really BORING and > I often fall asleep watching it. Want me to send you a coffee then Asian? <G> Seriously, show airs here too, so no need for you to have to watch it. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Saturday January 04 12:28:28 2003 Re: Kelly Ripa Repeated Scene |
| >>...Live With Regis & Kelly...Kelly...getting tied up... she is wearing sandals.<<
CAN ANYONE SHARE CAPS??? |
| Saturday January 04 14:55:03 2003 My new site |
| Hi, I'm up and running again. I've posted pics of some of my newest college-girl kidnap victims. Drop by and check it out. |
| Frank J |
| skynyd@yahoo.com |
| http://www.freewebs.com/franksattic |
| Saturday January 04 17:02:41 2003 Fastlane (Another hope) - January 17 episode |
| > Also, "Fastlane" will be moving to Fridays (I think at 8pm) as of Jan. 10 for its 2003 episodes.
------------ The TV Guide magazine description for its January 17 episode: "Billie [Tiffani Thiessen] gets in on the action and goes undercover to cuff a sexy, sadistic thief (Jaime Pressly) who's behind a rash of home-invasion attacks on rich lesbians. George Hamilton appears in a cameo." OK, even if this doesn't produce ANY DiD scenes for Thiessen, Pressly, or the rich lesbians, it has the makings of a fine self-parody. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday January 04 18:13:45 2003 Re: quoted material (Was Killing Me Softly) |
| > In this case, I just wanted to make a short comment, and
> I quoted one sentence only. Had I shorted that sentense > down, the post would be impossible to understand. I think we are running into the law of unintended consequences here. The purpose of the rule is to avoid wasting bandwidth by unnecessary quoting. But as the above poster points out, sometimes the best answer to a question is "Yes," or maybe "The scene was at 60 minutes" and anything else would also be a waste of bandwidth. I once had an ISP who applied a similar rule on Usenet, but abandoned it after receiving hundreds of complaints, some of them quoting Usenet replies that said things like "Why the $#@$#% did you waste so much of my modem time with all that $@$$#@$%." If the moderator has to look at the post anyway to decide, how about just using some editorial judgement, rather than going by fixed percentages? Meanwhile, we can all be more thoughtful about what we quote, and make a point of educating newcomers. |
| Paul |
| Saturday January 04 18:53:44 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > Interesting thread.
> > The one thing that a gag in a promo most definitely gets > across is that "This girl is in trouble!" Ropes in most > tv shows and movies is so minimal and so lame, its very > probable that the viewer won't even be able to see she's > bound in a preview.. but they will see that gag. Gag > equals= Girl in Danger. And since previews are meant to > convey a quick idea of action or plot that will make you > want to tune in or buy your ticket, that quick gag shot > tells you..the girls in trouble, the hero will be riding > to the rescue.. how will she escape.. Things of that > nature. > > When you think of it..in the case of a tv show, > especially if its the recurring female lead.. How many > other images, with but a single frame of film..the > heroine gagged.. can give you that much of an idea of the > storyline to be shown that next week?? > Well stated, David! Your comments are exactly what I was driving at in my earlier post, i.e., the premise behind my initial argument. In fact, you have stated my case better than I did! If showing a gagged damsel is a good, quick way to show that the damsel is in trouble, I would think that in most cases a network seeking to promote a show with a damsel in trouble would not pass up a gag scene in favor of a "tied but not gaagged scene." This point would seem particularly apt when the network is trying to promote the show to the young, het male viewers who typically watch football games. |
| mornad |
| mornad4@yahoo.com |
| Saturday January 04 20:28:34 2003 G-Man |
| anyone know the new URL for G-man's site ? Kindly email me at rifei81@hotmail.com. thanks |
| Soge |
| rifei81@hotmail.com |
| Saturday January 04 20:29:21 2003 Re: dragnet, new abc series in feb 03 |
| > it
> > stars ed (al bundy) o'neill so you know that means lots > of b&g action. I don't follow. What's the connection between Ed O'Neill and b&g? |
| perl |
| reckonwith69@hotmail.com |
| http://www.mte.com/perl/b/ |
| Saturday January 04 22:05:45 2003 Re: Black girls cant be bound and gagged? |
| > When thinking about it i have only seen it once and that
> was > in the unrated version of THE CROW w.Brandon Lee and it > was cut out to avoid a NC-17 rating!! I seem to remember a black actress B&G on "The Six Million Dollar Man". Then there was (I dthink) Daphne Maxwell-Ried on an episode of "Simon & Simon" |
| Historian |
| historian64@hotmail.com |
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