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| Sunday January 05 01:50:05 2003 Unknown Angeles episode |
| Anyone know the title of this episode? |
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| Anubis |
| Sunday January 05 02:07:07 2003 Re: Unknown Angeles episode |
| > Anyone know the title of this episode?
Pretty sure this is it. I remember Vidal and Patricia Manterola getting gagged in back-to-back episodes. I'm fairly certain these are correct. Sandra Vidal's scene: #4 - Quene Es El Blanco - Elena becomes the target of a shooter, who maybe connected to her FBI past. Patricia Manterola's solo scene: #5 - Fantasmas En El Atardecer - The Angeles investigate strange occurrences at the mansion of a famous movie star. |
| Brian W. |
| Sunday January 05 02:16:34 2003 Re: Black girls cant be bound and gagged? |
| > When thinking about it i have only seen it once and that
> was > in the unrated version of THE CROW w.Brandon Lee and it > was cut out to avoid a NC-17 rating!! Tracie Reed (Terror Among Us) Vivca Fox (Generations) a soap |
| PHBd2003 |
| Sunday January 05 02:40:49 2003 Re: Black girls cant be bound and gagged? |
| > > When thinking about it i have only seen it once and
> that > > was > > in the unrated version of THE CROW w.Brandon Lee and it > > > was cut out to avoid a NC-17 rating!! > > Tracie Reed (Terror Among Us) > Vivca Fox (Generations) a soap Always felt many black actresses were simply in bad scenes, bad gags, lighting, setups, etc. I've only saved two scenes featuring black actresses: Michael Michele: One of the most beautiful actresses I've ever seen, and it was an all-time great scene in "Dangerous Curves." Karyn Parsons: Despite male interference in "Fresh Prince," sitcom scene, it was still a decent scene for another stunning actress. There's also a scene I've missed several times featuring Holly Robinson on "Hangin' with Mr. Cooper." I've never seen it but it's coming up in a couple weeks on TNN. It's reported as a quick scene featuring a black tape gag. I'll post it to the alerts when it's scheduled. |
| Brian W. |
| Sunday January 05 02:55:38 2003 Re: Unknown Angeles episode |
| > Sandra Vidal's scene:
> > #4 - Quene Es El Blanco - Elena becomes the target of a > shooter, who maybe connected to her FBI past. Actually in the Sandra Vidal scene, she's returning from vacation and stops off at a gas station where she accidentally witnesses the murder of the local police chief by his own deputy. The deputy pulls a gun on her and we next see her bound and gagged in the closet. So I don't think that matches the above description. |
| CM |
| Sunday January 05 03:09:12 2003 A Trivial Question |
| Is anyone else as fond of the Crest Whitestrip teeth-whitening commercial as I am? You know the one, where the gorgeous spokeswoman has just painted her teeth with some godawful bleaching paste and is trying to talk without moving her lips and smearing it with saliva? Lordy-lordy, she sounds cute. Leo the Aged |
| Leo |
| Sunday January 05 03:23:35 2003 Re: Unknown Angeles episode |
| > > Sandra Vidal's scene:
> > > > #4 - Quene Es El Blanco - Elena becomes the target of a > > > shooter, who maybe connected to her FBI past. > > Actually in the Sandra Vidal scene, she's returning from > vacation and stops off at a gas station where she > accidentally witnesses the murder of the local police > chief by his own deputy. The deputy pulls a gun on her > and we next see her bound and gagged in the closet. So I > don't think that matches the above description. I based this mostly on the number, and the fact that no other description in the 13 episodes has anything about Vidal being held captive or Vidal being the center of the episode. Manterola was definitely gagged in episode #5 and Vidal in the episode before. However, they could have run these out of order. I'm still betting it was episode #4 because Vidal was being chased the rest of the episode. The guy that knocked her out at the gas station was the killer/hit man who then took her back to the boat, where she was held by the ringleader. That's the guy connected to her past, I think. |
| Brian W. |
| Sunday January 05 03:28:33 2003 Re: Unknown Angeles episode |
| > > Sandra Vidal's scene:
> > > > #4 - Quene Es El Blanco - Elena becomes the target of a > > > shooter, who maybe connected to her FBI past. > > Actually in the Sandra Vidal scene, she's returning from > vacation and stops off at a gas station where she > accidentally witnesses the murder of the local police > chief by his own deputy. The deputy pulls a gun on her > and we next see her bound and gagged in the closet. So I > don't think that matches the above description. You're right CM. Found this description, which matches better. You might want to check out the other episode titles in corrections, but I'm more certain of those. #10 - Yo Mate Al Sheriff - The Angeles go undercover in a Stepford-type town in order to catch the killer of a local Sheriff. |
| Brian W. |
| Sunday January 05 03:51:50 2003 Re: quoted material (Was Killing Me Softly) |
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> I think we are running into the law of unintended > consequences here. The purpose of the rule is to avoid > wasting bandwidth by unnecessary quoting. Beyond that, it's a case of keeping the posts readable. > If the moderator has to look at the post anyway to > decide, how about just using some editorial judgement, > rather than going by fixed percentages? People prefer having their posts deleted rather than a chance to fix them? I think knot. I'll look at tweaking things tomorrow. |
| The Moderator |
| Sunday January 05 03:57:13 2003 New system good |
| I don't know how many times I have had to scroll through 50 lines of quoted text in order to read the words 'me, too' or something equally compelling, under the old system. Hasn't happened since the new system was installed. I am very much in favor of the new system. If people have to think a little more carefully before they post ... well, that's just TERRIBLE. |
| Pat Powers |
| Sunday January 05 05:33:48 2003 Re: Black girls cant be bound and gagged? |
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> > When thinking about it i have only seen it once There are plenty of examples at the link below. |
| Mark C |
| http://community.webtv.net/markcinweymouth/BLACKCAPTIVES |
| Sunday January 05 09:04:35 2003 Re: A Trivial Question |
| > Is anyone else as fond of the Crest Whitestrip
> teeth-whitening commercial as I am? Yeah, I had the same reaction, although it's less than satisfying. She does sound good, though. |
| Sunday January 05 09:56:59 2003 Lost World and Tarantino |
| Didn't someone say that new The Lost World episodes were going to start showing in the new year? I havent seen any promos on the syndicated channel here in NY.
Did anyone else see the promo for the upcoming Tarantino movie (Kill Bill?). It's supposed to be a "tribute to 70's martial arts" and has Uma Thurman as the protagonist who goes against Vivica Fox, Darryl Hannah and Lucy Liu, who is the leader. I hope Liu gets to exercise her dominatrix vibe on Thurman somewhere in the movie. |
| MAV |
| http://clubs.lycos.com/AUTH/live/Directory/CommunityHome.asp?CG=bij0r8g20qh47bjpg9hgeup5sg |
| Sunday January 05 11:53:11 2003 Re: New system good |
| > I don't know how many times I have had to scroll through > 50 lines of quoted text
I am very much in favor of the new system. Pat, I totally agree. The issue here is not 50 lines of quoted text. It is short massages and comments. Like one line of quoted text. If the comment you want to post is only one half line of text, then you can't post it. Unless you shorten the one line down, then you risk losing the meaning. OR write some unnessessary bull only to make your answer longer. This is kind of unflexible and artificial IMHO. See my previous proposal. |
| Per |
| Sunday January 05 12:53:33 2003 Re: quoted material (Was Killing Me Softly) |
| > I'll look at tweaking things tomorrow.
Ok, slightly changed. Now, if the quote is less than three lines, the ratio filter is ignored (as long as the reply isn't zero). That should satisfy those short reply cases. You'll have to be happy with that. Having taken the trouble to code this, I'm certainly not taking it back out. Deleting posts for violation of the quote rules was one of my more onerous tasks, because I had to remove perfectly good posts. Now people will have a chance to correct things. |
| The Moderator |
| Sunday January 05 13:19:42 2003 Message for Biff: Batman Adventures "The Great Scarecrow Scare" |
| That alert you posted back in December aired today. It will re-air today at 5:00p.m. EST during the Superfriends/Superman - Batman Adventures hour. The Batman episode occurred around 50min. in. See VCR alerts for more detail. |
| MadFish |
| Sunday January 05 13:57:56 2003 Re: quoted material (Was Killing Me Softly) |
| > You'll have to be happy with that.
I, for one, is perfectly happy. Let me express my respect for you Brian. |
| Per |
| Sunday January 05 14:00:02 2003 G MAN |
| can some pleas post Gmans new site?
thanx |
| Bob |
| Sunday January 05 14:07:10 2003 Re: G MAN |
| > can some pleas post Gmans new site?
This is off-topic for this page. Besides, HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE! |
| The Moderator |
| Sunday January 05 14:42:27 2003 Re: Message for Biff: Batman Adventures "The Great Scarecrow Scare" |
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> That alert you posted back in December aired today. It > will re-air today at 5:00p.m. EST during the > Superfriends/Superman - Batman Adventures hour. The > Batman episode occurred around 50min. in. See VCR alerts for more detail. > Thanks, MadFish ... but although my cable system choices have expanded very recently (TVLAND, TNN, FX ... among others), BOOMERANG isn't among them, darn the luck. |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Sunday January 05 14:45:42 2003 Bo, Beau, whatever |
| Philosophical question for the day: why is it that soap-opera damsels' would-be rescuers *always* seem to be named Bo? (Or maybe it's Beau. I can't say I've ever respected these guys enough to check: as far as I'm concerned, they're getting in the way of a good thing.)
I mean, how many guys do *you* know named Bo? Probably none, right? Maybe one, at the most. I think it's because they spend all their time rescuing damsels. If you ever meet one, please distract him, become fast friends, treat him to a football game, whatever. Consider it a public service. |
| Raffish |
| Sunday January 05 15:22:01 2003 Re: Message for Biff: Batman Adventures "The Great Scarecrow Scare" |
| > but although my cable system choices
> have expanded very recently (TVLAND, TNN, FX ... among > others), BOOMERANG isn't among them, darn the luck. That's a shame. If you want I can make caps and send them to you along with a couple other "old school" toon scenes I have. |
| MadFish |
| Sunday January 05 15:33:52 2003 The character vs. the actress |
| A Philosophical question for the new year:
I get the impression that the majority of posters here are responding to the situation in which the character finds herself, rather than the reality experienced by the actress. People are turned on, for instance, if the character was supposedly tied up overnight, when of course the actress was tied up for maybe ten minutes shooting the scene. People are turned off if the damsel comes to a bad end, even though we know that the actress got up, wiped off the fake blood and walked away. And what particularly mystifies me is that people are turned on when the character is supposed to be tape gagged while the actress merely sports a piece of tape that sticks to her face only at the very ends, leaving her lips perfectly free behind a perfectly smooth, perfectly cylindrical piece of gray plastic. Now me, I watch these scenes to enjoy knowing that an attractive actress was tied up to make them. If she's just holding her hands behind her, AFAIK she's not tied up, and I get zilch out of the scene. I'd certainly be enjoying myself more if I could get into the fantasy, but I can't. Am I alone in this? (For replies, I'd suggest just quoting the second-last sentence ;-).) |
| Paul |
| Sunday January 05 15:51:49 2003 Die Another Day music vid |
| Don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet or not, but in Madonna's music video of "Die Another Day" she gets strapped into an electric chair and (in a scene parallelling what happens to James Bond in the movie) gets her head dunked into a 55 gallon drum of water -- she's holding her hands behind her but there's no clear shot of her hands for that sequence.
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| Q |
| Sunday January 05 16:16:15 2003 Re: The character vs. the actress |
| > Am I alone in this?
> > (For replies, I'd suggest just quoting the second-last sentence ;-).) Oh, but that would be too obvious. :) I'm sure you're not alone, and I'll readily express a preference for at least one shot in which we can see those hands well-tied and struggling behind the back. Yet it's not universal for me; I've seen plenty of scenes, in which we never even glimpse the damsel's hands, that are far hotter than other scenes in which we do. I can only suggest that you get out of this what you put into it. If my own experience with cultivating an acceptance of scene elements which were originally turn-offs for me -- less-than-convincing bonds/gags, and especially those controversial scenes in which the character doesn't survive (though the actress obviously does, as you point out) -- is any indication, there's always an opportunity to get more out of a scene. I figure we all have our own individual thresholds for suspension of disbelief, not to mention separation of fantasy from reality. I also figure they're somewhat tweakable. If you're up for a challenge, perhaps the tweaking will be fun. Otherwise, I really wouldn't worry about it. :) |
| Raffish |
| Sunday January 05 16:17:50 2003 Re: Lost World and Tarantino |
| > Didn't someone say that new The Lost World episodes were
> going to start showing in the new year? I havent seen > any promos on the syndicated channel here in NY. The producers originally said episodes would likely begin in March BUT since a deal for a new season still hasn't been finalized, they now say the earliest that we'll see new "Lost World" episodes is SEPTEMBER! Negotiations for a new deal were reported to be "moving in a positive direction" as of early December. Expect a final announcement on the shows fate within the next couple of weeks. |
| CM |
| Sunday January 05 16:24:32 2003 Black Woman Handgags |
| Does anyone know of movies or television shows which showed black woman who have been handgagged? |
| HG LVR |
| Sunday January 05 16:28:28 2003 Re: Bo, Beau, whatever |
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> I mean, how many guys do *you* know named Bo? Probably > none, right? Maybe one, at the most. > Well, there's Bo Jackson, Beau Bridges, Bo Diddley, and the Beau Brummels ... although I'm not certain how many of them there were. And the numerous Bobo the Clowns sprinkled across this great land of ours. I don't recall actually ever having met someone of such persuasion ... nor anyone named "Frisco", for that matter. |
| Biff |
| Sunday January 05 16:30:20 2003 Re: Message for Biff: Batman Adventures "The Great Scarecrow Scare" |
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> That's a shame. If you want I can make caps and send them > to you along with a couple other "old school" toon scenes > I have. > That would be nifty ... much obliged. Contact me at the add below, and I'll let you know where to send 'em. |
| Biff |
| biffbarksdale@yahoo.com |
| Sunday January 05 16:45:09 2003 1776 |
| Hey don't ask me why i was watching it, but there's this cartoon kids show on pbs called "liberty kids" about two reporters in 1776, one a redheaded girl. I swear in the backdrop when they fade to "comercial breaks" on the show there's a scene of the two reporters detective gagged, in a boat or something. Don't know what episode it's from, but if the stills are from the episode that was on, it's the one about the green mountain boys. Uhh does anyone know ANYTHING about this? |
| SLJ |
| Sunday January 05 17:32:54 2003 Re: The character vs. the actress |
| > People are turned on, for instance, if the
> character was supposedly tied up overnight, when of > course the actress was tied up for maybe ten minutes > shooting the scene. > Am I alone in this? I think everyone has a different capacity for fantasy, Paul. Yes, of course, if you visualise the filmset and how many "takes" it needed to film the scene, for instance, it removes any eroticism. My own preference is to see some distress or fear from the bound actress, but in reality you know that the director will then yell "cut" and she will probably then remove her loose ropes and gag herself and go and have a cup of coffee. Regarding being tied up overnight (most are rescued much quicker than that) the reality would, at least, mean the build up of perspiration and needs for trips to the bathroom - need I say more. More often than not however, the morning after scene shows the bound girl looking as immaculate as the day before. Whether containing bondage or otherwise, TV and movies are escapism. Some people go up to actors in the street, call them by their characters names and, if the play villains, sometimes shout at them or attack them. I am not that divorced from reality, but can still savour the fantasy at the time I am watching it. I would not want to analyse the fetish any further than that. |
| Gaz |
| Sunday January 05 17:59:32 2003 Re: 1776 |
| > Hey don't ask me why i was watching it, but there's this
> cartoon kids show on pbs called "liberty kids" about two > reporters in 1776, one a redheaded girl. I swear in the > backdrop when they fade to "comercial breaks" on the show > there's a scene of the two reporters detective gagged, in > a boat or something. Don't know what episode it's from, > but if the stills are from the episode that was on, it's > the one about the green mountain boys. Uhh does anyone > know ANYTHING about this? WEIRD. I do like the drawing style, though. http://www.kuat.org/tv/programs/kids/libertyskids.shtml Maybe I'll ask about it at c3c - the "cartoon/comics captives" Yahoo group. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Sunday January 05 19:33:09 2003 Nice Cleave Gag |
| Not too thick, not too thin |
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| Sunday January 05 21:02:11 2003 Charmed |
| That's a big fat splat for tonight's Charmed. Unless you like vaguely female shaped mummy props, of course. Bummer. |
| Mr. Galackameatman |
| Sunday January 05 21:04:40 2003 I Want My Mummy! |
| Well...? Left Coasters want to know: Was tonight's *Charmed* worth watching? (...or was Piper's whining about her pregnancy such a buzz-kill nobody cared *what* happened to Phoebe?) :-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| Sunday January 05 22:06:42 2003 Re: Charmed |
| I did not see the first 15 minutes (where evidently "Phoebe" was captured) but I did see the part where she was mummified (and later on freed.) It was done with computer-generated special effects. We never actually see bandages being applied to Alyssa Milano. We never see Alyssa actually mummified. "Phoebe" is completely mummified so we can't see any of Alyssa's face or body. It was a dummy.
When is this show going to produce? |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Sunday January 05 22:29:57 2003 The character vs. the actress |
| > I get the impression that the majority of posters here are responding to the situation in which the character finds herself, rather than the reality experienced by the actress...And what particularly mystifies me is that people are turned on when the character is supposed to be tape gagged while the actress merely sports a piece of tape that sticks to her face only at the very ends...
...Now me, I watch these scenes to enjoy knowing that an attractive actress was tied up to make them. ---------- Yes, I'd have to say that it's the attractiveness and desireability of the Actress involved as well as the scene she's in that makes for a memorable DiD scene. Of course, we're aware that this is film, not reality. Whether it's mainstream or commercial bondage, there's a cameraman and crew, waiting for the words "Action, stop, cut, print; Take #3", etc. But if the actress is on my Wishlist, the camerawork & lighting are good, the scene involves certain elements (Onscreen Gagging, mmphing, closeups, gloating, etc.), there's reasonably good acting, there's good scriptwriting -- that makes for a good production. That holds true for non-DiD related works too. Of course, we "know" when we watch a crime mystery show that the police/PI will solve the mystery before the end, and that in an Action/suspense TV series the hero/heroine is not going to die midway thru the season (exception: "Buffy TVS, where it does make "sense" for its characters to rise up from the dead). But that doesn't stop us from being a willing viewer, as long as we like its elements. I'd have to say that I'm not very "picky" about certain elements. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that the DiD is "helpless" when her wrists are bound in front of her, or that a thin Cleave Gag prevents anything more than soft mewing. Heck, there are dozens of greater "suspensions of disbelief" required in watching most TV series/movies (e.g., one of the most common is that the size of the House/Apartment is nearly always disproportionately large vs.the character's income), so one might as well not get too worked up about them. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Sunday January 05 23:10:14 2003 Re: I Want My Mummy! |
| > Well...? Left Coasters want to know: Was tonight's
> *Charmed* worth watching? (...or was Piper's whining > about her pregnancy such a buzz-kill nobody cared *what* > happened to Phoebe?) :-) I liked it for the sexy Egyptian costumes, but the mummification was never shown. No restraints were ever used. Unless you like unmoving, mummy-wrapped figures, you're kinda out of it. That said, since you made such a big deal about this show, you have to watch and/or tape it, Van. I'm sure there's a law to that effect. |
| Pat Powers |
| Sunday January 05 23:27:20 2003 Re: Lost World and Tarantino |
| > Did anyone else see the promo for the upcoming Tarantino
> movie (Kill Bill?). It's supposed to be a "tribute to > 70's martial arts" and has Uma Thurman as the protagonist > who goes against Vivica Fox, Darryl Hannah and Lucy Liu, > who is the leader. I hope Liu gets to exercise her > dominatrix vibe on Thurman somewhere in the movie. Well, it's reaching, of course, but the last scene in the trailer is a tight profile shot of a smiling Lucy asking Uma if she "thought it would be that easy". When we see Uma, facing her in profile, she seems so much shorter than Lucy that she might easily be seated in a chair... and tied to it? The scene has that kind of vibe. I'm sure those posters headed to Cannes later this year will fill us all in! |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound |
| Sunday January 05 23:40:09 2003 Re: Lost World and Tarantino |
| > ... promo for the upcoming Tarantino movie Kill Bill.... > Uma Thurman... against Vivica Fox, Darryl Hannah and > Lucy Liu.... the last scene in the trailer is... a > smiling Lucy asking Uma if she "thought it would be that > easy". <Uma> might easily be seated in a chair... and > tied to it? The scene has that kind of vibe.
I did see the preview, and I DEFINITELY go the impression that Uma must be in some way restrained to the chair. She clearly is in a captive mode when she's grilled by the lovely Liu. Additionally, I seem to recall a post on this site not TOO far back from someone who had a glance at the original script, which detailed a scene in which Uma's character ("the Bride") was tied AND GAGGED in the back of a pickup truck at some point in the movie. Since Tarantino's directing his own script, I would bet he'll be very faithful to it, so I would be very surprised if (unlike Die Another Day, when Halle missed the apparently scripted gag, or Uma's own Avengers debacle, or other cases in many other movies) Quentin allows Uma to escape the full treatment this time. You never know with Hollywood, but QT generally calls his own shots, and I think he's working with his old pals at Miramax, so likely he has carte blanche. |
| Hibiscus |
| Sunday January 05 23:49:34 2003 Re: TV Promos |
| > > Then again, we don't use stuff gags for the majority of
> our gag scenes, and the Chinese do. > > Pat your still referring to one cap site for your opinion > of Chinese scenes. Stuff gags don't even come close to > being used the majority of times. OK, Mark I bow to your superior knowledge in this area. It's just that the stuff gags are SO commonplace on the site, and it's the only Chinese DiD site out there. However, I am very aware that there might be sampling error on the site, as you point out. Would it be fair to say, stuff gags account for about half of all DiD gags? A third? A quarter? They seemed to account for over half the gags on the Chinse DiD site. Also, do you think the site owner would be pleased or dismayed if I gave out his URL in my Bondage Banter section? I'm not inclined to, for fear of getting him in trouble with the Chinese authorities, but if you think it would be OK, I'll post it. > so these gags were mostly used to humiliate the woman in > the moment rather than gag her long term. Interesting, a gag used purely as humiliation by the authorities. Is this a commonplace thing in China? I was thinking the gags were used only on women, that there might be some sexual signficance to it, but then I found a cap with two men and two women tied up, and all four of them were stuff gagged. Kinda weird, since they seemd to be alone. But it was very much the exception to the rule. > This webmasters emphisis is on rope work! That would explain the selection bias. > In his effort to > show you this kind of rope work in mass media he has > chosen to cap the type of scenes where stuf gags do get > used alot for the reason given above. So, stuff gags mostly show up in scenes where the cops or the military capture a damsel -- the equivalent of our cuff scenes. Is this a commonplace practice with captives? If we ever have the > pleasure of seeing a site from a Chinese gag snob you > will see that real gags are used far more often than > stuff gags. On the down side of that you will also see that the great rope work isn't as common as you might think! What would you say -- ballpark -- the relative percentages are? |
| Pat Powers |
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