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Monday December 27 00:02:54 2004
Re: Anna Paquin in Darkness
Robert Knaus wrote:

> Sadly, the page makes it
> look like the actual time that the gag spends in Anna's
> mouth will be pretty short.

In the Italian clip I have of it, the gag is in for a whole six seconds. One shot that is shown in that posted cap, and one shot of the gag being removed.
G-MaN
gman22471@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/anothermoviesite/200405Season.html
Monday December 27 01:15:07 2004
Re: sherlock holmes and the case of the silk stockings
james wrote:

**** this BBC TV movie airs in the UK on Boxing Day.Rupert Everett is a lame Holmes but he is set against a bondage and foot fetishist who ties the girls hands in front,knees and then gags them by stuffing their stockings down their throats ( thus making the gag invisible for the most part). This happens twice..their is a chloro scene too. ******

Collectors:
This the one scheduled to air here on CBC Dec 29th @8pm

Thanx for the alert James
Jay L
http://brianspage.com/showday.php?fname=vcralerts%2Fhtml%2F363-2004
Monday December 27 03:27:41 2004
Actress Comments - Cameron Diaz
There was some discussion a little while back regarding actresses who comment on their bondage in movies - heres another example of this from Cameron Diaz regarding her role in 'Being John Malkovitch':

Q: You all had to endure some pretty harsh conditions during filming both script-related and production-related. Can you tell me about what you had to undergo to make this movie?
Cameron Diaz: Cusack and I both pointed this issue out to Charlie. We said, "Hey dude, what's going on here? Everybody's caged in, cramped, nobody can even stretch..." My skirts were so tight, I couldn't even take a full step in them. It was constant confinement. And, I got tied up, bound and gagged, locked in a cage, hung off the side of a moving school bus, dropped out of the sky into dirt in the pouring rain. Crazy stuff -- it was just nuts what we had to go through for Spike's "vision."

Doesn't sound like she enjoyed it much!
Tightgag
Monday December 27 09:44:06 2004
Re: Lohan?

>
> I think there are two chances:
>
> 1. Slim
> 2. None
>
> From what I hear, she was an irritation to one and all
> while filming this movie. I'm skeptical she would concede
> to some bondage, but you never know.
>
> I have no plans to find out, though. This movie is not on
> my to-see list.

There is no such thing as "Concede" when it comes to bondage. If it's in the script its in the script. Apparently you, like a lot of people who think us nuts, are equating "bondage" with nude and sex. While we might get a thrill out of a bondage scene to other people it's nothing more to see a lady tied up than to see her shot or hit in the face with a pie. If it's in the script that the character gets tied up then the charecter gets tied up. It's nothing more than as if Lohan's charecter gets locked in a trunk.
Except for us, of course.

ratstink
Monday December 27 10:10:29 2004
Re: Lohan?
ratstink wrote:
> Apparently you, like a lot of people who think us
> nuts, are equating "bondage" with nude and sex.

Wrong. Do some research about the filming of the Herbie movie, then come back.
gasface
Monday December 27 10:16:57 2004
Re: Lohan?
ratstink wrote:
If it's in
the script that the character gets tied up then the
charecter gets tied up. It's nothing more than as if
Lohan's charecter gets locked in a trunk.
Except for us, of course.

EXACTLY correct Sir .......!
They'll spend hours protesting over fashion items such as the wardrobe used in the scene, but as for the 'other' - they couldn't care less - strictly a drama element in their eyes, nothing more.


Major John - female psychologist
Monday December 27 11:14:46 2004
Re: Lohan?
gasface wrote:

> Wrong. Do some research about the filming of the Herbie
> movie, then come back.

Is there something promising you can share? Thanks.


Monday December 27 14:01:11 2004
Re: Lohan?
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> gasface wrote:
>
> > Wrong. Do some research about the filming of the
> Herbie
> > movie, then come back.
>
> Is there something promising you can share? Thanks.

All this does beg the question as to who decides the extent of the realism in the tying up in a mainstream scene? For example, in Candyman it seems more likely that Donna D'Errico would have prefered a cloth gag to a huge ballgag but got the latter anyway. Similarly, who decided that Eliza Dushku should clearly be so stingently tied to the bed and have a real, if ineffective, gag? Presumably, the actresses input counts for a lot, and this may explain things like the fact D'Errico's ballgag is hardly tight, and the switch from ball to tape in 'Alias'.
Tightgag
Monday December 27 14:12:27 2004
Re: Lohan?
gasface wrote:

> Wrong. Do some research about the filming of the Herbie
> movie, then come back.

Pardon my bluntness, but this isn't being coy, this is (to be polite) being *rude*. If you know something, post it. People come here for *information*, not cuteness. :-|
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/
Monday December 27 14:47:11 2004
Re: Lohan?
Van wrote:

> gasface wrote:
>
> > Wrong. Do some research about the filming of the
> Herbie
> > movie, then come back.
>
> Pardon my bluntness, but this isn't being coy, this is
> (to be polite) being *rude*. If you know something, post
> it. People come here for *information*, not cuteness.

No facts; all rumors. Lots of disputes ranging from hairstyles to time spent on the set, to the point where there was nearly a recast.

If I get more concrete facts, I'll post them. All I was saying in my original post was that I'm skeptical about the movie.

gasface
Monday December 27 15:08:38 2004
Re: Lohan?
gasface wrote:

> No facts; all rumors. Lots of disputes ranging from
> hairstyles to time spent on the set, to the point where
> there was nearly a recast.
>
> If I get more concrete facts, I'll post them. All I was
> saying in my original post was that I'm skeptical about the movie.

Don't mind me. I'm Mr. Grumpy today. I agree the chances of a DiD-scene for Ms. Lohan in the new *Herbie* movie are remote.

On a lighter note, here are two things I learned doing a little Lohan/Disney googling:

(1) Lindsay's supposedly going to star in the upcoming *I Dream of Jeannie* movie!

"How can I serve you master?"
"Well, for starters, conjure me some rope." :-)

(2) Disney's doing a remake of *Swiss Family Robinson*. Let's hope for teenage daughters, a beautiful mom, & lots of pirates & headhunters. :-)

Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/
Monday December 27 15:33:31 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
Kerhop wrote:

> I thought sure I read somewhere it has a scene of
> interest to us yet it's not in the DB. Anyone?

Nope, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you're thinking of that other great Cold War comedy epic-"The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coming," which DOES have a scene. It's in the database, even.

And while we're on the subject of the Cold War, how many other database scenes did it contribute? Let's see-I guess you could count all the Bond Girl scenes, at least up through Roger Moore's tenure (I didn't see either of Timothy Dalton's forays into Bonddom; did anyone get it there?). Then there was the patently awful "The Wicked Dreams of Paula Schultz" with Marion Arthur and an unidentified actress-but not Elke Sommer, darn it! Oh, that's right-Bonita Granville was one of the first Cold War damsels, wasn't she (in 1950's "Guilty of Treason")? And didn't the great Katharine Hepburn finally stoop to bondage -that HAD to be how see saw it, given that she only did it once-in 1956's "The Iron Petticoat?" (Just as an aside, when on earth are they going to kick out a cheap DVD of that movie, now that both Hepburn and co-star Bob Hope are beyond embarrassment?)

That's all I can think of right now, movie-wise. As far as TV is concerned, I'd think the "Mission: Impossible" scenes-at least during the show's early seasons-would count, along with most if not all of Dame Diana Rigg's "Avengers" portfolio-imagine, tied to the train tracks to stop the Russkies! Then I'd throw in the "Man/Girl from U.N.C.L.E." scenes, and I'm at a loss for more. That's your cue, everyone.
An Old Friend
Monday December 27 16:06:27 2004
Janine Turner Interview
I don't know if it was mentioned here, but a few weeks back there was a newspaper interview with Janine Turner. Syndicated IIRC, happenstance, by Knight Ridder and was sort of a career retrospective. JT talked about her early roles as a "damsel in distress of the week" (as she has often described it, using this specific example) being rescued by the likes of David Hasselhoff on "Knight Rider." She also mentioned being on "General Hospital," as a blonde, for one year.
David Gray
Monday December 27 16:16:06 2004
Cold War Bondage
Not all the James Bond pictures, even from that time, referenced the Cold War. However, one that did (and IMO one of the best overall), was THE SPY WHO LOVED ME with Barbara Bach and her scene. Apparently, there was also at least one publicity photo which had Ms. Bach in an even more interesting pose.

And one Cold War film which I don't think was noted, was RED HEAT. Linda Blair in bondage and in an East German prison!

Anthony
Monday December 27 18:03:57 2004
Re: Lohan?
gasface wrote:

> Van wrote:

> > Pardon my bluntness, but this isn't being coy, this is
> > (to be polite) being *rude*.

> No facts; all rumors.

I would prefer that you keep the tone of discourse more
civil. Otherwise I'll start canning posts.

The Moderator
Monday December 27 18:30:46 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
An Old Friend wrote:

> (I didn't see either of Timothy Dalton's forays into
> Bonddom; did anyone get it there?).

Only Timothy Dalton, who got one of the only two gags ever in a Bond movie. The other was a putz scene too.

Anyone care to theorize?
LV
Monday December 27 18:45:27 2004
Janine Turner
> a few weeks back there was a newspaper interview with Janine Turner. Syndicated IIRC, happenstance, by Knight Ridder and was sort of a career retrospective. JT talked about her early roles as a "damsel in distress of the week"
----
Some of us here may recall that Turner's "Fatal Error" was one our most eagerly anticipated TV-movies for 1999, and certainly didn't disappoint. Nice to see her provide us with a top-notch scene after she became a star from "Northern Exposure".
Kinky-napper
Monday December 27 18:55:19 2004
Re: Janine Turner
Kinky-napper wrote:

> Some of us here may recall that Turner's "Fatal
> Error" was one our most eagerly anticipated
> TV-movies for 1999, and certainly didn't disappoint.

"Fatal Error" will rerun this Sunday evening on SciFi channel.



PRW
Monday December 27 19:17:44 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
LV wrote:
>
> Only Timothy Dalton, who got one of the only two gags
> ever in a Bond movie. The other was a putz scene too.
>

Not so - there were putz jobs in "From Russia With Love" and "Goldfinger" - but, I guess, not topical either.

Unless you take account of the fact that there are no female gaggings in any of Fleming's books, either. It's just not a Bond genre thing, evidently.
Mad Dan
Monday December 27 19:33:22 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
Mad Dan wrote:

Unless you take account of the fact that there are no
female gaggings in any of Fleming's books

Can't remember the title - but almost sure it was one of the Bond series - hotel maid is surprised, Bond makes love to her, afterwards she is left B&G'd in a closet.
Major John
Monday December 27 19:40:26 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
Major John wrote:

> Mad Dan wrote:
>
> Unless you take account of the fact that there are no
> female gaggings in any of Fleming's books
>
> Can't remember the title - but almost sure it was one of
> the Bond series - hotel maid is surprised, Bond makes
> love to her, afterwards she is left B&G'd in a closet.



The TV movie version of Casino Royale (NOT the Woody Allen movie) has an excellent gag scene (and a completely ludicrous James Bond, not that that is on topic). This is from the fifties (I think). Its not in the database. I saw it at the TV museum in Chicago. Some one has a cap of it that I've seen.
ss
Monday December 27 19:51:31 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
LV wrote:

> Only Timothy Dalton, who got one of the only two gags
> ever in a Bond movie. The other was a putz scene too.
>
> Anyone care to theorize?

No, they would not. Completely off-topic for this site.



The Moderator
Monday December 27 19:52:30 2004
Re: Cold War Bondage
This post was deleted.

Poster: An Old Friend
Reason: Off-topic.
The Moderator
Monday December 27 20:25:26 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
Major John wrote:

> Can't remember the title - but almost sure it was one of
> the Bond series - hotel maid is surprised, Bond makes
> love to her, afterwards she is left B&G'd in a closet.

I've seen all the Bond films except the Brosnan ones. Don't recall a scene like that.
Maybe you're thinking of the scene in Secret Agent where Drake ties up the Eastern European tour guide (played by Jane Merrow) and leaves here in the hotel room shower?
LV
Monday December 27 20:30:02 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
LV wrote:

Maybe you're thinking of the scene in Secret Agent where
Drake ties up the Eastern European tour guide (played by
Jane Merrow) and leaves here in the hotel room shower?

Nope - know the scene you refer to, but I was talking about books .....definitely recall reading a novel with this scenario, and about 80% sure it was an Ian Fleming one.

Major John
Monday December 27 20:33:25 2004
Re: James Bond
ss wrote:

> hotel maid
> is left B&G'd in a closet.
>
> The TV movie version of Casino Royale
> from the fifties (I think).
> Some one has a cap

If same one we got awhile back?
Black & White film, was a bound and gagged scene, but sure she dressed for casino and not a maid.

Thinking bound behind back, cleaved, and standing up against the wall?

Sound same one ss?
Jay L
Monday December 27 20:35:00 2004
Re: Dr. Strangelove ? (Hmmm...smells like scene creep)
Mad Dan wrote:

> Unless you take account of the fact that there are no
> female gaggings in any of Fleming's books, either. It's
> just not a Bond genre thing, evidently.

In the novelisation of " Die Another Day ", the Jinx character was gagged when she was strapped down to some torture device. For some reason, it wasn't included in the movie version.

In one of John Gardner's 007 novels, " Nobody Lives Forever ", two ladies were bound hand and foot and gagged in their underwear.



C
Monday December 27 20:54:20 2004
Re: James Bond
Jay L wrote:

If same one we got awhile back?

Thinking bound behind back, cleaved, and standing up against the wall?
Sound same one ss?

Nope - getting off track there - this was a BOOK I referred to, definitely never made into a screen version that I know of.
BTW - Just doing up 'Maedchenkiller Todesfall' here - QUITE interesting for the boys coming up approx Thursday - a definite thumbs up on that one.

Major John
Monday December 27 21:10:38 2004
Cold War bondage
> And while we're on the subject of the Cold War, how many other database scenes did it contribute?

As far as TV is concerned, I'd think the "Mission: Impossible" scenes - at least during the show's early seasons - would count, along with most if not all of Dame Diana Rigg's "Avengers" portfolio - imagine, tied to the train tracks to stop the Russkies! Then I'd throw in the "Man/Girl from U.N.C.L.E." scenes, and I'm at a loss for more. That's your cue, everyone.
----
MacGyver "The Wall" (vs. the East German Stasi secret police).
Allison Smith in "Spy Game".

Unfortunately, the "next Cold War" hasn't been as prolific -- e.g., I can't recall any standout b&g scenes from Steve McGarrett's numerous faceoffs vs. Wo Fat in "Hawaii Five-O".
Kinky-napper
Monday December 27 21:11:56 2004
Re: James Bond
Jay L wrote:

> ss wrote:
>
> > hotel maid
> > is left B&G'd in a closet.
> >
> > The TV movie version of Casino Royale
> > from the fifties (I think).
> > Some one has a cap
>
> If same one we got awhile back?
> Black & White film, was a bound and gagged scene, but
> sure she dressed for casino and not a maid.
>
> Thinking bound behind back, cleaved, and standing up
> against the wall?
>
> Sound same one ss?


That is the one I was referring to. I was interjecting in the debate that there are no gag scenes in James Bond films--don't know anything about a maid scene.
ss
Monday December 27 22:20:15 2004
Casino Royale
Critics' Choice Video & DVD is advertising a DVD of the Woody Allen Casino Royale that also includes the earlier B&W TV version of the same title.
Rich McGill
Monday December 27 22:36:23 2004
Re: Anna Paquin in Darkness


> In the Italian clip I have of it, the gag is in for a
> whole six seconds.

Drat. :o( Does she at least mmmph?
Robert Knaus
RKNAUS@webtv.net
http://community-2.webtv.net/RKNAUS/SaturdayMorning

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