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Sunday January 23 00:39:10 2005
Re: Cabin fever set in
John wrote:
> Went to the site and didn't see any of these...

Notice how I said email? ;)
I'm sending out stuff by email almost exclusively because yahoo's 5mb file limit and the constant pita of bandwidth exceeded messages. The yahoo group calender is a schedule, and I usually send out 50mb-ish a day.

On a side note, I do have that other server and it looks like I will have about 65GB of bandwidth transfer left over for this month, so I can throw up a couple hundred megs of caps for y'all. If you have any specific requests, let me know. I'll probably start throwing requests up on the 25th or so.

What you will find on the yahoo group is (I just updated it)
<drumroll>

24 - 4x01 - SecDef's Daughter Kidnapping.avi
24 - 4x02 - Hacker scene, repeated from 4x01.avi
24 - 4x02 - Sec Defs daughter moving from van to van.avi
Andromeda - 4x14 - The Others - Kandyse McClure -BPR-09817.avi
CSI - 5x06 - What's Eating Gilbert Grissom - April Bowlby.avi
Hawaii - 1x01 - Hawaiian Justice - No Sound - BPR-11110.avi
Las Vegas - 1x09 - The Year of The Tiger.avi
Las Vegas - 2x10 - Femi Emiola - BPR-11107.avi

Good luck getting them. They are all short, small files (under 5mb). If you get a lot of "bandwidth exceeded" messages, download one, wait for it to finish, wait 10 seconds and then try downloading another one - if you try to download 2 at the same time, yahoo doesn't let you download for a couple hours.

Oh, I'm also making video tapes (NTSC), for more details, check the "MyList.txt" under files on the yahoo group.
AsbestosFilter
AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asbestosfilterscaps/
Sunday January 23 00:46:19 2005
Re: Saint "invitaion" chopped?
hallbird wrote:
Let's face it BBC AMERICA is showing
> the butchered versions of all THE AVENGER episodes. Most
> of you know which episodes I'm referring to, so look
> forward to truncated versions of the lady with the scold
> mask on and most of Linda Thorson's big scenes.

I don't get BBC America, nor do I get TVLand or other cable/satellite stations anymore, but this trend just drives me nuts. It's a shame; these networks buy the rights to old shows -- when an hour-long drama ran for about 52-minutes or so -- then they butcher them in order to squeeze in more commercials. I don't know the figures but my guess is that hour-long shows nowadays run about 44-47 minutes or so (could be worse for all I know). It sucks. What gives these networks the right to screw around with someone else's artistic vision and content? Not to mention that these networks are also all gung-ho over being politically correct, so they actually edit out scenes that they think might be objectionable (try finding an unedited version of Bugs Bunny somewhere, for example). Again, what gives them the right? I've all but given up taping old stuff. It's just too depressing. :(
Al
Sunday January 23 01:17:19 2005
Re: good news / anybody else?
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> I thought discussion was for just that --discussion
> Whats wrong with a little personal experience?

With personal experience being Off Topic on this forum,
suggest this one. (Homepage Link)

Appears allows personal experience comments
Jay L
http://www.bedroombondage.com/bondage/guestbook/index.html
Sunday January 23 01:59:23 2005
Re: good news / anybody else?
(unsigned poster) wrote:


> Whats wrong with a little personal experience?

Go read the FAQs.

The Moderator
Sunday January 23 04:03:21 2005
The Saint on BBC
This is not the first time BBC America broadcast a chopped up version of "Invitation". They also did it a few months ago when the episode aired. They also have a habit of cutting out many scenes in the Avengers episodes that they air (especially the end sequences). The best bet for anybody to get the original uncut scenes is to buy the DVD collections of THE SAINT & THE AVENGERS. Since both programs contain many DID scenes, it wouldn't be a waste of money to invest in the DVD.
Diabolical Mastermind
Sunday January 23 07:29:26 2005
Re: The Saint on BBC
Diabolical Mastermind wrote:

> This is not the first time BBC America broadcast a
> chopped up version of "Invitation". They also
> did it a few months ago when the episode aired. They also
> have a habit of cutting out many scenes in the Avengers
> episodes that they air (especially the end sequences).

To an ancient Brit like myself, the very title of this thread is a bizarre oxymoron. The licence-funded Beeb was and is a bitter rival of commercial ITV, who originally commissioned The Saint and The Avengers, though there is now some joint funding and sharing of shows.

To this day, the BBC's Charter (presumably as flexible abroad as it is theoretically rigid at home) forbids advertising during programmes. That doesn't stop the blighters cramming in trailers and ads for their own books and recordings between shows. :-(

However, BBC Americas, a commercial offshoot company in cahoots with the Discovery channel, evidently devolves editorial policy to its foreign partners, to the detriment of programme integrity. To some extent, it seems to be BBC in name only.

The criticism I hear constantly from intelligent Americans and people who have visited the States is that TV there is all but unwatchable owing to the constant barrage of advertising that chops programmes up into tiny snippets. This destroys all the efforts of the original editors, and makes it hard to produce cohesive drama for the American market.

We see it in documentaries, too; even the ad-free BBC heavies such as Horizon and The Natural World have frequent recaps so unsubtle as to sound as if the narrator thinks he or she is talking to people with an Alzheimer level of memory retention!

It's starting to go the US way here, with a one-hour show on ITV now typically having three ad breaks where it always had two. Last night I sat through a grievously butchered "Jurassic Park", robbed of nearly all its gruesome bits, on ITV. They'd probably say they didn't want to frighten the kiddies, but I'm sure the advertisers didn't mind, even if the story no longer made sense. :-(

I suspect, though, that the old shows you are seeing on BBC America were butchered at source many years ago, issued as US-market special editions, which BBC Am has now bought. Even as a teenager in the '60s, I noticed how scenes in ITV shows were timed and shot so that bits could be chopped out to make ad breaks. In imported American shows it was blindingly obvious, with annoying logo fades between scenes. You could probably buy the show "tailored" to a range of lengths. Imagine publishers doing that to novels. Which version would get the prize?

Obviously, if you wrote to complain that your favourite scenes of ladies trussed up and gagged had been cut, you'd get short shrift. However, a more general moan about the editorial and narrative integrity of TV classics being destroyed might get a more sympathetic hearing. Yeah, right... Good luck, folks. You have my sympathy.
Mad Dan
Sunday January 23 07:44:08 2005
Re: Paola Rey Gets It!!!
(unsigned poster) wrote:

>
> This scene was awesome. The captor's facial and gloating
> expressions were priceless. 30 caps up at the Yahoo group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newscreencaps/


With the Group owner's permission, I've added a fake of *both* ladies tied up together. At that scale there's a lot of jpeg junk, but I think it gives a rough impression of how a cap of such a scene might have looked. :-)
Mad Dan
Sunday January 23 08:14:26 2005
The CULT "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant" on DVD?
The CULT "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant" on DVD?

Is possible?

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&category=41559&item=6361563230&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Jean
Sunday January 23 08:18:16 2005
Re: The CULT "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant" on DVD?
Excuse me this is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41559&item=6361563230&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

object Ebay:6361563230
Jean
Sunday January 23 08:29:18 2005
Re: The Saint on BBC
Mad Dan wrote:

> I suspect, though, that the old shows you are seeing on
> BBC America were butchered at source many years ago,
> issued as US-market special editions, which BBC Am has
> now bought.

Not necessarily.
ABC showed The Avengers for a while late Friday nights in the late 80s (though an earlier syndicated version was butchered). The episodes were shown (to the best of my recollection) uncut and uninterrupted by commercials. I taped the complete Diana Rigg series as such, plus some Linda Thorons (all of her full treatment scenes natch).
I know one of the earliest victims of cutting was Thorson's scene in "Switch". The edited version deleted the scene in which she is shown being gagged.
LV
Sunday January 23 09:16:30 2005
Re: The Saint on BBC
Mad Dan wrote:

>
>>>
>
>> It's starting to go the US way here, with a one-hour show
> on ITV now typically having three ad breaks where it
> always had two

Agreed Dan, and you will also notice here in the UK how the actual length of the commercial breaks is creeping up, from maybe two minutes in days of yore to at least four minutes now.

And on German TV, the commercial breaks can last as long as SEVEN minutes.
Martin
Sunday January 23 09:41:25 2005
Re: The Saint on BBC
LV wrote:

> Mad Dan wrote:
>
> > I suspect, though, that the old shows you are seeing
> on
> > BBC America were butchered at source many years ago,
>
> > issued as US-market special editions, which BBC Am
> has
> > now bought.
>
> Not necessarily.
> ABC showed The Avengers for a while late Friday nights in
> the late 80s (though an earlier syndicated version was
> butchered).


The episodes were shown (to the best of my
> recollection) uncut and uninterrupted by commercials. I
> taped the complete Diana Rigg series as such, plus some
> Linda Thorons (all of her full treatment scenes natch).

Now that I'd liketo have seen.

> I know one of the earliest victims of cutting was
> Thorson's scene in "Switch". The edited version
> deleted the scene in which she is shown being gagged.

Sacrilege. That was an integral part of the ethos of the show!

My point was that several versions exist of many TV dramas; the shooting structure of, particularly, ITC thrillers allowed for easy editing in different ways.
Nowadays, a commercial broadcaster would probably go for the shortest (and cheapest?) available version, then slash it about even more, and to hell with what discerning viewers think of it. As far as they are concerned, they are supplying nothing more than electronic wallpaper to fill in the space between ads.

Mad Dan
Sunday January 23 09:55:44 2005
Re: The Saint on BBC
Mad Dan wrote:

< Now that I'd liketo have seen.

Still get 'em. Haven't played them in quite a while, so who knows how the tapes have held up.


< > I know one of the earliest victims of cutting was
< > Thorson's scene in "Switch". The edited version
< > deleted the scene in which she is shown being gagged.

< Sacrilege. That was an integral part of the ethos of the
< show!

And Thrson's reactions (and sounds) were priceless! Also, I notice she was dressed similarly to Eaton in her Saint scene (white sweater top, skirt from business type suit). Always loved women bound and gagged while wearing skirt suits. Anubis now has up the Mannix Kate Woodville scene where she's mmmphhing away in her suit.

< My point was that several versions exist of many TV
< dramas; the shooting structure of, particularly, ITC
< thrillers allowed for easy editing in different ways.
< Nowadays, a commercial broadcaster would probably go for
< the shortest (and cheapest?) available version, then
< slash it about even more, and to hell with what
< discerning viewers think of it. As far as they are
< concerned, they are supplying nothing more than
< electronic wallpaper to fill in the space between ads.

I did get your point. Unfortunately, it is mostly true. I was trying to point out that the versions imported here were probably not edited as you surmised (the hacking was done here), and that on occasion a major network did have the decency to show programs in their full versions. I do agree though with your sentiment above about current broadcast philosophy.

Oh. for the good old days!


LV
Sunday January 23 10:48:30 2005
Re: Esclavo y amo (2003)
jorgeq wrote:

> I posted a new entry of this Mexican movie with good
> scenes of a kidnaped college girl. In Houston is being
> broadcasted by Time Warner Cable, at Cine Latino (CINEL).
> Next showing Jan 31 at 11:30 PM (CST)

Appreciate the heads up and the DB entry jorge. Sounds like one helluva scene. Can you please post an alert as well?

thanks.
MadFish
Sunday January 23 12:15:41 2005
Good News re: "The Saint"
For those of you aggrieved by BBC-America's butchering of Shirley Eaton's tour de force this past Friday, I can offer some prospect for relief. When Encore/Starz ran the same episodes on their Mystery Channel about 6-12 months ago, the episodes were uncut, and Shirley E. and the other occasional DiDs were in all their glory. Hopefully, the Mystery Channel will get back the franchise in the near future.
Overlooker
Sunday January 23 12:51:43 2005
Re: Avengers picture quality.
>( This was the first time I recorded
> "Avengers" on BBC and was very disappointed
> with the quality of the footage. Didn't expect DVD
> remastered copies, but it wasn't very good. Thought the
> episodes would have had some sprucing up over the years.

As I remember, the black and white eps were never very good photographically in the first place. They were made for low-resolution VHF TV of just 405 lines, and probably shot with ordinary 16mm film camera lenses rather than the special TV lenses which gave superior edge definition. They always did look a bit fuzzy, IIRC. High-res filmstock would have been wasted on the TV picture of the time.

Until colour and UHF came in, The Avengers was a very cheap production, made in tiny studios with the occasional treat outing to a location.

I assume the early footage has been cleaned up and enhanced for DVD release, but the Beeb's colonial cousin has chosen to ignore such improved versions of its rivals' old products.
Mad Dan
Sunday January 23 13:13:03 2005
beyond fear
I noticed this post in the vcr alerts:
---Day: Wednesday January 26 2005
---Time: 4:20p.m-about 6:30 p.m EST
---Channel: Lifetime Movies
---Title: Beyond Fear (1997)
---Medium: TV Movie
---Actress: Gina McKee

It was posted twice, I was just wondering if anyone new the exact channel, as I don't see it anywhere on lifetime (which is channel 30 here in VA). I have a DVR, and don't see it anywhere on lifetime.

Please let me know.

Thanks
6sic6
iam_that_damn_good@verizon.net
Sunday January 23 13:41:03 2005
Re: beyond fear
6sic6 wrote:

> ---Channel: Lifetime Movies
> ---Title: Beyond Fear (1997)

> It was posted twice, I was just wondering if anyone new
> the exact channel, as I don't see it anywhere on lifetime
> (which is channel 30 here in VA). I have a DVR, and
> don't see it anywhere on lifetime.

Not Lifetime, Lifetime Movie Network. That's a offshoot
channel from the original Lifetime, usually found on the
digital tier of cable systems or the more expensive
packages for satellite.

I recommend using an on-line TV listing service for these
questions, you'll get specific information for your locale
with the search feature. I use Zap2it (link below).

The list for Charter cable in St. Louis (CST) is:

1/26/2005 3:25PM 300 LMN
1/27/2005 4:45AM 300 LMN

Brian R
http://zap2it.com
Sunday January 23 13:46:21 2005
Re: beyond fear
6sic6 wrote:

> I noticed this post in the vcr alerts:
>
> ---Channel: Lifetime Movies
> ---Title: Beyond Fear (1997)
> It was posted twice, I was just wondering if anyone new
> the exact channel, as I don't see it anywhere on lifetime

Lifetime as two different channels. "Lifetime" which is the one that carries all the shows like Missing, Strong Medicine, etc, and probably the one you have. Then there is "Lifetime Movie Network" which carries, um, the movies. That one is usually on the extended cable packages. (at least here in Atlanta.)
G-MaN
gman22471@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/anothermoviesite/200405Season.html
Sunday January 23 13:58:58 2005
Re: beyond fear
Brian R wrote:

> The list for Charter cable in St. Louis (CST) is:
>
> 1/26/2005 3:25PM 300 LMN
> 1/27/2005 4:45AM 300 LMN


I fixed up the alert (and removed the extra one).

Not sure where RedViper was posting from because he
didn't the timezone in, and just speculated on what
it would be in the East. That was almost certainly
wrong, so I just changed it to the one I knew, the
Central one I just looked up.

Brian R
Sunday January 23 14:27:55 2005
Hostage
Just watched the internet trailer [at the homepage link] for the recently talked about Bruce Willis movie 'Hostage'

If the prviously discussed mother-daughter DID scenes are in the movie they sure aren't stressed in the trailer :-(
Jacot
http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/hostage/
Sunday January 23 14:28:25 2005
Times on alerts
RedViper, this in not meant to be a big pick on you session, as you are obviously out there putting in alerts.

It's just there's a problem here that needs to be addressed. We can't have incorrect times in entries, people get hostile. Feel free to contact me as needed.

Looking ahead at RedViper's alerts, I think the times are wrong on all of them, based on what they are in the Central zone. Shows almost invariably run one hour ahead of Central in the East, but you can't make the same assumption for stuff shown in Mountain or Pacific.

Here are all his entries, with the Charter St. Louis information following. It's also not all that clear that the times on some are meant to be two showings. If eastern people will confirm the times there, I'll go fix all these (hey it's not like the Rams are going to keep me occupied today).

Gunsmoke
Day: Sunday January 23 2005
Time: 6:00 p.m-7:00 p.m EST
Channel: Starz Westerns
Description: Episode: "Phoebe Strunk" (8.9)

1/23/2005 5:00PM 727 WESTERN

Mcgvyer "Serenity"
Day: Thursday January 27 2005
Time: 8 a.m-9 a.m; 12 p.m-1 p.m EST
Channel: TV Land
Description: Episode: "Serenity" (5.12)

1/27/2005 7:00AM 70 TVLAND
1/27/2005 11:00AM 70 TVLAND

My Uncle the Alien
Day: Monday January 31 2005
Time: 9:45 a.m-11 a.m EST
Channel: Showtime

1/31/2005 8:25AM 600 SHOW
1/31/2005 8:25AM 778 SHOWHD

Brian R
Sunday January 23 14:34:15 2005
New Clip
New clip in PantyDiDCap site.
http://www.pantydidcap.com/varie/murderock2.jpg
Andrew
info@PantyDiDCap.com
http://www.Pantydidcap.com
Sunday January 23 16:16:31 2005
The Avengers - Production values
> Until colour and UHF came in, The Avengers was a very cheap production, made in tiny studios with the occasional treat outing to a location.
----
Bondage Life's "Bound for Hollywood" column noted: "...Even as they [the early black-and-white episodes] lacked a certain amount of polish (a stray camera dolly can be seen rolling past an open door in the background during the "Intercrime" show)..."

But rather than relying on today's special effects and stuntwork pyrotechnics, "The Avengers" actually relied on good scriptwriting + good acting. :-)
Kinky-napper
Sunday January 23 16:39:09 2005
Re: The Avengers - Production values
Kinky-napper wrote:

> > Until colour and UHF came in, The Avengers was a
> very cheap production, made in tiny studios with the
> occasional treat outing to a location.

Actually, I worked on that show. We went color long before we went UHF. We went to color and film early so that we could sell to the US.

When color started it was on BBC2 only and Avengers was on ITV. Because of a compromise between BBC and ITV, ITV and BBC 1 did not go color for many years. We did not want to wait for that and anyway the PAL 625/50 system was such a pain to convert to NTSC 525/60 that we just filmed to celluloid and then let the telecine handle the broadcast on both sides of the atlantic.
Sunday January 23 16:41:04 2005
Re: The Avengers - Production values
And what I forgot to say, was that the UHF choice was the compromise and slowed things down a great deal.
Sunday January 23 17:04:41 2005
Re: The CULT "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant" on DVD?
Jean wrote:

> The CULT "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant"
> on DVD?
>
> Is possible?

Yes, it's possible. This is one of the "MGM Midnite Movies" double features that's available as a Best Buy exclusive here in the States. Other recommended dvd's in the series are "Ghost in the Invisible Bikini" paired with the non-scene "Ghost of Dragstrip Hollow" and "The Haunted Palace"/"Tower of London" double feature. I think they've got about 8 more double features as well.

All of the prints are absolutely pristine and a bargain at $10 each. Highly recommended.
CM
Sunday January 23 17:16:10 2005
Re: The Avengers - Production values
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Kinky-napper wrote:
>
>
> Actually, I worked on that show. We went color long
> before we went UHF. We went to color and film early so
> that we could sell to the US.

Yes, I remember an announcer being very sarcastic about how ITV was showing us the new all-colour Avengers series in glorious.... black and white. Other shows, such as Gerry Anderson's Supermarionation series and, of course, ITC's range of generic thrillers, were being shot in colour for the American market, too. Most of us could only glean colours for vehicles and outfits from magazines!


> When color started it was on BBC2 only and Avengers was
> on ITV.

Only BBC2 was UHF at first, and for years the dual-standard set needed to watch all three available channels was a status symbol. Then the rich had to go out and buy or rent yet another new set to see BBC 2 in colour. Everybody hated telesnobs who talked about costume colours as if we'd all seen them. :-)

So, were the early b&w Avengers initially shot on video and transferred to film, or filmed from the beginning? The BBC had the same conversion problem with exporting shows, and the rescue of many missing Dr Who eps is due to forgotten cans of film turning up abroad.
Mad Dan
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/storiesunbound
Sunday January 23 17:19:13 2005
Evil In The Bayou, Killer Nerd, & Bride of Killer Nerd
Good bondage scenes in all these movies.
Sunday January 23 17:19:17 2005
Airsched Humour
Canucks may want to check out page 51 of the Tor/Star airsched.
Cara Pifko & Siu Ta are all taped together with two of the pretty boys they'll end up sleeping with eventually in the Crown spoofing "Wonderland" show ad
Jay L
Sunday January 23 17:40:22 2005
Numb3ers
Just a reminder I believe this show premieres tonight. The premise for the first episode is a serial rapist who has started killing his victims so good chance the scene shown in the previews/trailers will pop tonight. So don't forget to throw a tape in at 10 pm on CBS I think.
Sunday January 23 18:48:53 2005
re: Larva?
So did anything happen on "Larva" last night? I forgot about it until it had been over for about 15 minutes!
Sunday January 23 19:27:38 2005
Re: Times on alerts
Brian R wrote:
> It's just there's a problem here that needs to be
> addressed. We can't have incorrect times in entries,
> people get hostile. Feel free to contact me as needed.

I've always assumed the times posted were local to whoever posted them, but even then took it with a grain of salt and generally accepted that since we're on the internet one should always CYLL (Check Your Local Listings) since some shows are on affiliates and may be pre-empted or delayed by local events. Personally, I search for a show via my TiVo but before then I used to go to TV-Guide's website or some of the others to see when a show will be on in my city.

It's not my board to run, but if one gets hostile over the posted time within an alert my vote is to delete it with a reason such as "whiner" or whatever as they're not even showing appreciation that others are alerting them to a future scene.
Kerhop
kerhop@oz.net
Sunday January 23 20:03:06 2005
re: Larva?
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> So did anything happen on "Larva" last night? I
> forgot about it until it had been over for about 15
> minutes!

I caught the final hour and nothing. Assume the first hour was the same.

Sunday January 23 21:05:10 2005
Re: Times on alerts
Kerhop wrote:

> I've always assumed the times posted were local to
> whoever posted them, but even then took it with a grain
> of salt and generally accepted that since we're on the
> internet one should always CYLL (Check Your Local
> Listings) since some shows are on affiliates and may be
> pre-empted or delayed by local events.

That's a good idea. In this case, he list his local
timezone and gave wrong times for the Eastern zone.

That's libel to confuse almost anyone.


Brian R
Sunday January 23 21:55:40 2005
Re: The Avengers - Production values
Mad Dan wrote:

> (unsigned poster) wrote:
>
> > Kinky-napper wrote:
> >
> >
> > Actually, I worked on that show. We went color long
>
> > before we went UHF. We went to color and film early
> so
> > that we could sell to the US.
>
> Yes, I remember an announcer being very sarcastic about
> how ITV was showing us the new all-colour Avengers series
> in glorious.... black and white. Other shows, such as
> Gerry Anderson's Supermarionation series and, of course,
> ITC's range of generic thrillers, were being shot in
> colour for the American market, too. Most of us could
> only glean colours for vehicles and outfits from
> magazines!
>
>
> > When color started it was on BBC2 only and Avengers
> was
> > on ITV.
>
> Only BBC2 was UHF at first, and for years the
> dual-standard set needed to watch all three available
> channels was a status symbol. Then the rich had to go out
> and buy or rent yet another new set to see BBC 2 in
> colour. Everybody hated telesnobs who talked about
> costume colours as if we'd all seen them. :-)
>
> So, were the early b&w Avengers initially shot on
> video and transferred to film, or filmed from the
> beginning? The BBC had the same conversion problem with
> exporting shows, and the rescue of many missing Dr Who eps is due to forgotten cans of film turning up abroad.


The black & white episodes featuring Honor Blackman as Steed's partner were recorded on tape. Watching these episodes on DVD is not much of an improvement. The sound quality and the picture on these early episodes are not very good.
However, when Diana Rigg joined the show the producers decided to record in film, thereby making the series a bit more palatable to foreign markets. With the move to film, the series was able to expand production from cheesy soundstages to outdoor venues. This is why the Diana Rigg episodes feature many scenes of the English countryside.
The b&w Rigg episodes look excellent on DVD by the way.

Diabolical Mastermind
Sunday January 23 23:58:24 2005
re: posting times - brian r
Thanks Brian r for correcting that post on beyond fear, and shedding light on the channels for me. I went to that link, called my cable company, and now I have the lifetime channel that I should.

Just wanted to say thanks.

6sic6

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