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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Friday December 26 00:03:04 2003 Re: Charlie's Angels |
| > Probably one of the most disappointing scenes. How
> difficult would it have been to bind their hands behind > their back, tie thier feet and tape their mouths? Going in to the series, the producers stated that they were reversing the usual roles for women in these type shows and that the Angels were not going to be playing the traditional "damsels in distress". You should be happy with the few scenes you got, because they were few and far between for a specific, stated reason and purpose. |
| Brian R |
| Friday December 26 03:43:14 2003 Paycheck |
| Any interesting in the movie? |
| Barnes |
| Friday December 26 06:18:27 2003 Mainstream Movie Ideas |
| > Van's First Law of Mainstream Movie & TV DiD Bondage---[Oh God, here he goes!] --- It's never about the bondage; it's about the STORY. Even if some nearsighted Hollywood producer mistook me for Peter Jackson & threw a g'zillion dollars at me to make the movie of *my* choice, it would STILL be about the story.
"The Collector" had a flawed script. (The book is good, but nearly impossible to put on the screen.) Give me a good story with a beautiful DiD & it CAN BE a masterpiece that will satisfy everyone... but it's the story that counts! ---- I hear you. *My* wish is that having completed the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Peter Jackson's next effort would be the "Sleeping Beauty" trilogy by A.N. Roquelaure (aka Anne Rice). Of course, to compress the books to movie-length while giving proper attention to Princess Beauty's (and other captive princesses) training scenes, I'd eliminate those unnecessary secondary subplots on captured princes (it's easier to "fast-forward" a book than a DVD). Alas, a faithful movie adaptation of "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty", "Beauty's Punishment", and "Beauty's Release" would be even more impossible than "The Collector". |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday December 26 08:14:50 2003 Suspense Detective #4 |
| Happy Holidays everyone. I found a scan of my favorite damsel-in-distress comic book cover of all time. Hope you like it. |
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| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Friday December 26 08:34:39 2003 Trigger Happy |
| Has any scene ever happened in this street jokes (candid camera like)show?
It looks like it has a lot of potentials. Sorry Brian if this is not the right forum. Ciao |
| Tapeher |
| Friday December 26 08:46:27 2003 Re: "Gag her!" Dialogue |
| Cleaveher Beavher wrote:
> There is sonme great dialogue in a little mentioned (and > capped) scene from an Austrailian movie starring Elliot > Gould. I believe that to be Lisa Harrow in 'Act Of Betrayal'. |
| Martin |
| Friday December 26 08:53:18 2003 DECO DRIVE |
| ANY CAPS OF THAT NEWSCAST? |
| CHARLES |
| RENNIE551305@YAHOO.COM |
| http://YAHOO |
| Friday December 26 11:20:45 2003 Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Confirmation of Wendy (played by Rachel Hurd-Wood) scenes (gag and, separately, blindfold) in the new Peter Pan movie now in U.S. theaters, from Screenit.com:
"We see that pirates have the boys bound and gagged and they then grab Wendy and gag her as well." (And later in the film): Captain Hook holds his sharp hook to Wendy's throat. He then has her walk the plank, blindfolded, with the ticking sounds of the monster-sized crocodile indicating it's nearby. Captain Hook then bounces the plank to make her fall off, but there's no resultant splash sound. Don't know about details. Anybody willing to catch a matinee to clue us in? :-) |
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| Yeoman |
| http://screenit.com/movies/2003/peter_pan.html |
| Friday December 26 11:28:00 2003 Re: Charlie's Angels |
| Brian R wrote:
> Going in to the series, the producers stated that they > were reversing the usual roles for women in these type > shows and that the Angels were not going to be playing > the traditional "damsels in distress". I disagree there. They may have stated that, but we all know they were full of you know what. They started tying the Angels in Season 1 and never let up. The complaint, in general, was despite some obvious setups for gags, few were delivered. Yet, 2 angels were gagged and the others were often tied up and/or held hostage, including a couple without any restraints. Even Farrah was tied up in her short stint and it didn't take them long to gag Shelly Hack in Season 4. Just about every episode featured an Angel blowing her cover and getting nabbed by the bad guys, which in reality, made them nothing but damsels in distress. > > You should be happy with the few scenes you got, because > they were few and far between for a specific, stated > reason and purpose. With more than 15 scenes in the DB, I wouldn't classify the show as delivering a few scenes. They actually delivered a lot, including some guest stars B&G. But most of the scenes were lame, and Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd avoided any gag time despite 5 and 4 seasons on the show. |
| Friday December 26 11:32:24 2003 Re: Women as captors |
| Raffish wrote:
> Here's a larger cap. There's also a clip on my member > site Thanks Raffish, that's awesome, you come through again! I'll check out the member site. |
| Friday December 26 11:48:41 2003 Re: Mainstream Movie Ideas |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> >...if you're going to try and meld the > two forms, were it me, I'd try to make a quality bondage > film instead of a bondage-filled mainstream film. > > But then my second point...if you > do that, you might end up with something that satisfies > neither mainstream audiences or the bondage community. > ---- > I'd had to say that's the issue (by trying to appeal to > everyone, one can create something that appeals to no > one). > As I'd noted in a previous post, bondage imagery-laden > mainstream efforts such as "The Abductors" > (1972), "The Story of O" (both the 1975 & > 1992 versions), and "Perils of Gwendoline" > (1984) weren't box office gold nor are video/DVD > bestsellers. We're a relatively small, niche, target > audience. actually, The Abductors and Story of O were both great hits considering the respective niches in which they were released. Story of O was released as an art house flick, which meant limited play in most markets. It still made tons of money and had people lined up outside theaters to see it. The whole Ginger series made tons of money at the box office, within its niches as a B-movie "roughie." In fact, one of the tidbits I got from Monterey video, its distributor, is that during its New York engagement, it outgrossed Fiddler on the Roof for at least a week. I don't know why the series stopped at three releases, but I don't think it was box-office related. I don't know what the story of Perils of Gwendoline was in terms of b ox office, but I'd be surprised if it was anything but a disaster, considering that it sucked so badly in every respect except art direction and bondage content. Very French, when you think about it. In the same vein, Secretary was considered a tremendous success as an indie film. It never had the grosses of A releases, but A releases typically get shown in thousands of theaters, and Secretary showed in less than a hundred. There's no way it could equal a mainstream flick, it was only critical praise and word of mouth that made it succeed. What I'm suggesting is that the niche success of films with bondage content is to some extent a self-fulfilling prophecy. It would be impossible to know if a strong bondage story could work as a mainstream film, because none has ever been marketed as such. We do know that in the world of publishing, the Gor novels, which were marketed as mainstream sword and sorcery fantasies, did quite well. In fact, here's the url of a very interesting and lengthy article that explains how bondage imagery was ghettoized in the 1980s. It refers primarily to porn, but generaly, softcore has followed along and to a lesser degree, so has mainstream. Note that it contends that bondage imagery was indeed ghettoized. My point being, it didn't start OUT as a niche subject: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0412/n2_v26/21221636/p1/article.jhtml?term= > There have been several near mainstream-quality bondage > films made. But I suspect that elements we come to expect > in mainstream efforts, such as: Fully-scripted dialogue > (other than "Mmph!"), large casts, plot > development, character development, varied scene > settings, and passable acting (which requires multiple > scene takes) etc. dramatically drive up production costs. > These higher production costs haven't paid off in either > being able to charge a higher video/DVD unit price, or in > sales volume to cover the costs. Actually, there is a whole genre of highly successful films with strong storylines and strong bondage content. They're called hentai. Unlike the Skinamax films that weere referenced at the start of this thread, many hentai have very strong plots that could easily stand alone, without the sex/bondage scenes. Also unlike the Skinamax films, the bondage scenes here are explicit in ways you don't see even in commercial bondage porn. Check out my reviews of Wordworth, Bizarre Cage and Mei King for instances, or check out most of them (warning: these reviews contain vidcaps that aren't work safe.) I defy you to say these aren't strong storylines, as strong or stronger than the stuff you see in mainstream movies. And hey, here's wishing everyone a happy New Years and happy holidays generally! |
| Pat Powers |
| http://www.jollyroper.com/hentai/reviews/hentaireviews.html |
| Friday December 26 13:04:15 2003 Re: Charlie's Angels |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I disagree there. They may have stated that, but we all > know they were full of you know what. You miss the point. In most situations, the Angels, even if restrained, have some capacity to interact with or battle against captors. They rarely sit passively waiting for rescue. There are a couple of exceptions, but in general it is the case. It's a silly topic, the TV show is long gone and there was no conspiracy to deprive you of choice scenes. The producers, directors, writers, etc. did what they felt was in the best interests of the show. Complaining about it is one of the dumbest exercises around. |
| Brian R |
| Friday December 26 13:42:24 2003 Re: Charlie's Angels |
| Brian R wrote:
> It's a silly topic, the TV show is long gone and there > was no conspiracy to deprive you of choice scenes. OMG BRIAN is PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!! :O think about it... What better POSSIBLE cover could he have than running this page.. The truth IS out there |
| Snowcat |
| Friday December 26 13:44:19 2003 Re: Charlie's Angels |
| Snowcat wrote:
>> > What better POSSIBLE cover could he have than running > this page.. > > The truth IS out there don't hate me Brian ;) you should know by now what a stupid sense of humor I have... |
| Snowcat |
| Friday December 26 14:43:05 2003 Mainstream Movie Ideas |
| > Actually, The Abductors and Story of O were both great hits considering the respective niches in which they were released. Story of O was released as an art house flick, which meant limited play in most markets. It still made tons of money and had people lined up outside theaters to see it.
The whole Ginger series made tons of money at the box office, within its niches as a B-movie "roughie." In fact, one of the tidbits I got from Monterey video, its distributor, is that during its New York engagement, it outgrossed Fiddler on the Roof for at least a week. I don't know why the series stopped at three releases, but I don't think it was box-office related. In the same vein, Secretary was considered a tremendous success as an indie film. ---- One key idea here is that if you want to see more mainstream movies with strong bondage content, then it's important to financially support them. What % here have gone to see "The Missing" (2003), or went to see "Secretary" (2002)", or "Birthday Girl" (2001)? These films arguably had the most bondage imagery for that year's theatrical releases, plus garned decent critical reviews. And what % own at least one video/DVD of the "Ginger" trilogy, "The Story of O", "The Collector", or "Secretary"? I think it'd be a fair guesstimate that the % (if you include this page's "lurkers") is only around 25%. I think that's a safe guesstimate, considering that some of the most vocal requesters of bondage vidcaps here seem unwilling to pay even a small fee to subscribe to a high-quality vidcap site. If you want more quality mainstream movies with good bondage scenes (or commercial bondage with mainstream elements), then you gotta throw your financial support to the ones that do come out. [Parenthetical note: In the early years of VCRs, I remember when I thought it was great when the price of "The Story of O" (1975) video dropped from $99 to $59. Now you can buy a used video or DVD version for about $12.] Producers pay a lot more attention to receipts than to whining. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday December 26 14:45:48 2003 All My Children possibility |
| Greenlee was "kidnapped" by one of her friends on today's AMC...she is shown at the end speaking with this guy but it is a possibility that she is tied to a chair. In all likelihood, the guy has apparently "kidnapped" her to keep her from real danger...so maybe this guy wants to keep her tied up and gagged for her own good. Only time will tell. |
| Goten |
| Friday December 26 15:51:19 2003 Re: All My Children possibility |
| Goten wrote:
> Greenlee was "kidnapped" by one of her friends > on today's AMC...she is shown at the end speaking with > this guy but it is a possibility that she is tied to a > chair. In all likelihood, the guy has apparently > "kidnapped" her to keep her from real > danger...so maybe this guy wants to keep her tied up and > gagged for her own good. Only time will tell. Goten, you deserve sainthood for watching that show and alerting us. But Greenlee is the master at avoiding the gag. Thanks for the heads up!! |
| Friday December 26 16:56:51 2003 Re: Paycheck |
| Barnes wrote:
> Any interesting in the movie? Unfortunately, no bondage, restraints, gags or anything. Not even dud Uma Thurman have her bracelets stick together. Uma was captured but just surrounded by armed thugs. |
| Skull Duggery 22 |
| Friday December 26 17:14:42 2003 New York Times reviews: "Monster" and a book |
| My friends, I have some amazing news courtesy of The NY Times. In his review of the docudrama "Monster", starring Charlize Theron as Aileen Wuornos, Stephen Holden mentions a scene in which "...Wuornos, driven back to prostitution, picks up a sadist....who ties her up and rapes her..." That latter part is unfortunate, but the former suggests tight restraints and possibly nudity for Ms Theron.
I apologize to Brian for tiptoeing close to the line, since this is a dramatization of a true story, but since it's getting critical raves and may contain bondage, I felt it was worth mentioning. This next item edges even closer to the line. Indeed, I hope I haven't crossed it. That same NY Times discussed a scandalous book first published in Italy and due to appear here next year titled "One Hundred Strokes of the Hairbrush Before Going to Sleep". The book may be at least partly autobiographical, and the author just turned 18 (thus the scandal). And yes, the review explicitly says that, in her earlier trysts, she dabbled in "homosexuality and sadomasochism". |
| The Kindly One |
| Friday December 26 18:33:02 2003 Re: Trigger Happy |
| Tapeher wrote:
> Has any scene ever happened in this street jokes (candid > camera like)show? > It looks like it has a lot of potentials. Yes, there was a scene on this show that aired here back in July. Check out the link for a clip. Also, I didn't see an entry in the database, so I added one. |
| Origpooh |
| origpooh@yahoo.com |
| http://www.bindher.com/origpooh/stuff/trigger_happy.rm |
| Friday December 26 19:17:06 2003 Re: Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Affirmative; there's a brief scene where the incredibly cute (and quite attractive) young Ms. Wood stumbles into a trap set by the pirates. There is an onscreen gagging which is kind of difficult to see as she struggles quite a bit, but then there is one good closeup as she is carried OTS (brown cleave gag). Really nice hopeless look in her eyes too. Earlier, she is blindfolded by the Lost Boys when they show her the secret entrance to their lair. Perhaps of more significant note, Tigerlilly is detective gagged earlier in the film and chained to set a trap for Peter Pan. No really good closeups and two putzes kind of take away from this. Still the Wendy scene makes up for it, despite its brevity. Hopefully this will be the first in a long line of scenes for Ms. Hurd-Wood, as this attractive young actress will doubtlessly be a real beauty when she gets older.
PS-There was a trailer for Agent Cody Banks 2 and the British girl playing Muniz's love interest is INCREDIBLY cute. It would be wonderful to see another beautiful young British actress in a DiD scene this year. |
| Dart |
| Friday December 26 20:51:45 2003 Re: New York Times reviews: "Monster" and a book |
| The Kindly One wrote:
> My friends, I have some amazing news courtesy of The > NY Times. In his review of the docudrama > "Monster", starring Charlize Theron as Aileen > Wuornos, Stephen Holden mentions a scene in which > "...Wuornos, driven back to prostitution, picks up a > sadist....who ties her up and rapes her..." That > latter part is unfortunate, but the former suggests tight > restraints and possibly nudity for Ms Theron. > I apologize to Brian for tiptoeing close to the line, > since this is a dramatization of a true story, but since > it's getting critical raves and may contain bondage, I > felt it was worth mentioning. I believe Ebert just ranked it as the best movie of the year, in fact. It definitely looks interesting. Also on the new/highly-acclaimed movie front, has anyone seen _Cold Mountain_ yet? My folks (with whom I'm vacationing) just saw it, and my mom mentioned a bondage scene in passing. I didn't inquire further, since DiD stuff is one part of my life that I've chosen (at least so far) to keep removed from the parental arena...but it might be worth checking out. |
| Raffish |
| Friday December 26 21:08:01 2003 Re: Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Dart wrote:
> PS-There was a trailer for Agent Cody Banks 2 and the > British girl playing Muniz's love interest is INCREDIBLY > cute. It would be wonderful to see another beautiful > young British actress in a DiD scene this year. The actress in question is HANNAH SPEARRITT (IMDb entry below) of SClub7 fame. If Sally Fields, Meg Ryan, Nicole deBoer, & HANNAH SPEARRITT ever bump into each other, all at the same time, the solar system will be sucked into a Black Hole of Cuteness. :-) |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://imdb.com/name/nm0817339/ |
| Friday December 26 21:45:27 2003 Re: Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Van wrote:
> Dart wrote: > > > PS-There was a trailer for Agent Cody Banks 2 and > the > > British girl playing Muniz's love interest is > INCREDIBLY > > cute. It would be wonderful to see another > beautiful > > young British actress in a DiD scene this year. Your idea of "Muniz's love interest" in bondage is very good! It would be great to see this young, lovely girl (Hannah Spearritt) in a second bondage scene - preferably including a gag!!! Attached are two pictures of her; one of her from maxim-magazine, another of her tied up and gagged from her movie "seeing double"! (Her scene partner is Rachel Stevens :-) !!! |
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| Xanatol |
| xanatol_chan@hotmail.com |
| http://www.boundsingers.net.ms |
| Friday December 26 21:55:57 2003 Re: Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Van wrote:
If Sally Fields, Meg Ryan, Nicole DeBoer, & HANNAH SPEARRITT ever bump into each other, all at the same time, the solar system will be sucked into a Black Hole of Cuteness. :-) ROFLMAO @ Van as always can I give any more valid reason why this man is a GOD!!! |
| Snowcat |
| Friday December 26 22:03:21 2003 Medallion TOTAL waste of time |
| Jackie Chan wastes outr time & money YET AGAIN by making an action adventure with an INCREDIBLY HOT damsel & TOTTALLY WASTING IT!!!
FIRST that Tuxedo (JenniferLove who really needed a scene) P.O.S. now Clair Forlani in a movie that SCEAMS for a good scene (on accounta it SUX) don't waste your money... sorry I did I will never see or rent one of that "F'in" Re Re's movies again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok I ranted & now I feel much better |
| Snowcat |
| Friday December 26 22:11:36 2003 Re: Peter Pan confirmation on screenit.com |
| Yeoman wrote:
> ...from Screenit.com: > > "We see that pirates have the boys bound and gagged > and they then grab Wendy and gag her as well." > Screenit also notes the following about Natalie Portman's character (Sara) in Cold Mountain: Sara informs Inman that Yankees are approaching and he flees up the hill behind her cabin. We then see three soldiers take her and her baby outside (they tie her up and one puts the baby on the ground where it cries). She begs them to stop, but one then takes her inside to rape her (but as he enters the cabin and starts to tear at her clothing, we see Inman hiding behind the door). And then that: ...Sara suddenly pops out and shoots the man dead with a rifle. In a potential three-peat, Screenit notes that someone kidnaps the family of Ben Kingsley's character in House of Sand and Fog, apparently including the wife, played by Shohreh Aghdashloo (gesundheit). I saw no direct mention of any bonds or gags. In what I can only assume is an added bonus in this flick, Screenit discusses at length the length of Jennifer Connelly's shorts. |
| Not Brian |
| Friday December 26 22:16:10 2003 Does anyone know the name of this scene? |
| The scene had 2 women tied up and they were standing back to back. The way they were gagged was interesting. They were cleaved gagged with 2 pieces of cloth, and those 2 pieces of cloth were tied together behind their heads. I don't remember much else about it, some man comes into the room for a bit and talks to them, but then leaves and eventually they are rescued. Does anyone have any idea what show it was from and if anyone has any caps or clips of it? Thanks in advance. |
| Hudson10182 |
| Friday December 26 23:50:11 2003 Re: Cold Mountain |
| > I saw no direct mention
> of any bonds or gags. In what I can only assume is an Not that it will have any connection to the movie, but there were no gags in the book. |
| Friday December 26 23:51:41 2003 Re: Suspense Detective #4 |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> Happy Holidays everyone. I found a scan of my favorite > damsel-in-distress comic book cover of all time. Hope you > like it. Nice piece of art there, Tape'. One of the classic DID themes with the bound damsel left with a bomb set to explode. She doesn't quite look like she's been frantically struggling for however long it took for the candle to burn down to the fuse, though :) The sweated brow is fine, but I think she'd have a few hairs out of place, her face would be streaked with tears, her eyes puffy and her clothes would be a little dishevelled at least. Otherwise, it's pretty damn good :) |
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