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| Friday December 05 00:24:22 2003 The Missing |
| The Missing is out, isn't it? The IMDB says it came out November 26 (and yet it's nowhere in the top 5). I don't see it in the database, even though several people here said they've seen it. I for one am curious about how it turned out. Could someone type it up? |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Friday December 05 00:35:59 2003 Re: Major John |
| John Quincannon wrote:
> Jacot wrote: > > Non illigitamus carborundum > > I always thought it was "Illigitimi non > carborundum." I thought it was spaghetti carbonara. |
| Pasta Fan |
| Friday December 05 00:43:27 2003 Re: Criteria for Database |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > What does belong in the database? We sort of agreed to a standard of "attempt at restraint" which pretty vauge. That leaves out some of the more general fetish stuff and the "looks like" scenes. > For example LOST IN > SPACE "Princess of Space" Marta Kristen is > handgagged by Robert Foulk and carried off. While personally such scenes don't really do it for me personally, we allow those because they are very popular. In these cases the "bondage" is the actress being grabbed and held. |
| Brian R |
| Friday December 05 01:07:13 2003 OBSERVATIONS FROM FUGZY |
| Greetings, bondage buzzards. First off, it's been a month and a half and GH has not produced thier standard bound up damsel of the month, what gives? Secondly, hoping for scenne on ATWT as Rose, is being stalked by someone, she looks especially fetching in red dress and tan hose.
As for gags, i don't consider it true bondage unless a gag is involved. preferably a tight cleve. I mean the idea of bondage is to cause some discomfort unless of course it's in the context of sexual play. Always hate it when the baddie has the damsel tied up in a secluded place, you figure no need for a gag, no one will hear her. But how about when the babe keeps bitching and moaning driving her captor insane. I find in most instances the captor just keeps warning her to be quiet without ever gagging her. I mean if you got her tied up, go the extra yard and gag her, if not for our enjoyment at least them for your peace and quiet. |
| FUGZARRO |
| Friday December 05 02:53:49 2003 Couple possibilities on Sunday |
| "10-8" looks like it'll produce something on Sunday. Storyline is thugs inpersonating cops in home invasions. One female showed with hands tied above during a rescue scene. She wasn't gagged in the promo and she was roughed up.
Also Sunday, Jami Gertz plays a witness being sought by the mob in a romantic comedy where she falls for the protector. TV guide showed her and her male protector cuffed together, but it's likely just a promo shot. Anything here would be played for comedy, but may be worth a look. 9 to 11 p.m. on CBS. Lastly, Don Johnson stars with Jeanne Tripplehorn and Sharon Lawrence in some type of military courtroom story on TNT from 8 to 10 and again from 10 to 12. Tripplehorn is on the case investigating a military incident and Lawrence plays the wife. Another longshot. |
| Friday December 05 04:05:54 2003 DUMB LUCK |
| I search a vidcap or more caps from Tracy Nelsns gag scene in the movie. I know one cap in the yahoo club |
| Barnes |
| Friday December 05 08:51:47 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| Not that it really matters, but, the thing with me is I don't give a crap if there is a gag or not, so long as the damsel is bound. Unfortunately for me, the only way I like for my damsels to be bound is in some form of A.O.H. )(Where's Malasfan?) But when it comes down to it, any form of restraint is better than no restraint. But, for the love of God, if you are going to include a DID in a movie, tv, etc, the one thing I must demand is that the female actually be restrained and not just acting like she tied.
Just my $0.02 |
| Friday December 05 10:14:51 2003 Re: Las Vegas |
| > I'll respectively disagree. The standard females being
> arrested scenes don't really qualify as > "bondage" scenes for me, and in this case I > don't think the cuffs were actually shown. I'd count 'em as bondage -- the women are supposed to have their wrists physically restrained after all so it's much more bondage than, say, a handgag. But they're about the weakest bondage scenes going as a general rule, as the cuffing is generally played as part of the arrest procedure and has little to no dramatic value. It can be powerfully done, as in a couple of Lifetime WIP weepers where the women are cuffed in front of their families before being hauled off to the pokey. But that's the exception to the rule. Generally, they're not worth taping, and not worth watching unless the rest of the movie or TV show is worthwhile. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday December 05 11:00:22 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| Van wrote:
> For me, > the most interesting aspect is how "loosie" > bondage has become so entrenched. It's perfectly > understandable that the realities of the stage & > movie/TV production complicate EVERYTHING; but ain't it > interesting that what probably started as the only way > one could depict bondage on the stage, namely, tying the > actress loosely & in such a way that her rescuer > could easily untie her, turned into a CONVENTION. The > Damsel-in-Distress is a dramatic mainstay. One expects > to see it over & over, & we do; but it's rare to > see the real thing, an actress rendered truly helpless. I think to a certain extent you're right, Van, but I think it's a convention that is slowly withering away under the increased bondage-consciousness of general society aka "the audience." I'm sure that Loosies are just part of the general sense that artifice is what Hollywood is all about, and probably started with the generally low standards of props and scenery present in theater. But movies and TV have caused an upgrade to the quality of props and scenery, as their format permits on-location shooting and so forth. And there's been a great deal of attention paid to the dramatic effect of on-screen violence in movies. I mean, when you compare a couple of guys in tights prancing about onstage and pretending to puncture each other with swords, then dying bloodlessly and artfully, with something like, say, the D-Day landing scenes in "Saving Private Ryan" you'll see there's been some attention paid. If any similar attention had been paid to bondage scenes, I think things would be very different. Of course, you can say, as I think you have once or twice, that IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BONDAGE -- but the bondage is part of the general dramatic effect, just like the violence. Unfortunately, for the most part the bondage has stayed in the "guys prancing about pretending to stab each other with swords" level. This actively hurts their dramatic impact. I don't see any conspiracy here. There are a lot of other conventions that hurt the dramatic impact of stories. Frex, a lot of TV shows and movies are rendered incredibly dull by reliance on lame, predictable devices of plot and characterization that make them dull to audiences. "Grounded for Life" has an incredible cast featuring two hotties, for instance, but its writing is so dull that it's unwatchable. "Arrested Development" is a show with an incredibly promising premise, but it has turned out to be dull due to bad, predictable writing. The dramatic conventions that make these shows dull are real, but no one pretends they're a good thing. Someday Loosies will probably be recognized as outdated conventions from another era, much like the dramatic convention with regard to bondage that's forming now, that all gags are made from tape. |
| Pat Powers |
| Friday December 05 12:11:58 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| >Someday Loosies will probably be recognized as outdated >conventions from another era, much like the dramatic >convention with regard to bondage that's forming now, that >all gags are made from tape.
Which leads me to believe that the only way (I) we are going to be happy is if someone resurrects an "Avengers" type show. With the popularity of remakes I'm very surprised it hasn't happened yet; and I don't mean "literally" The Avengers, and that dumb Uma Thurmin movie, I mean a series with tounge in cheek drama and old style bondage. A show that would make a point of DID, ala cliffhangers and all that (and I don't mean It Takes A Thief, I mean a series that is committed to the DID. It would probably be cable, Showtime for example, and it does raise the question, in my mind, with the overwhelming world popularity of the DID in (fantasy) media (ala Madonna), that the lack of such a show indicates fear and intimidation on the part of most producers. And I should know, since I have brought up the subject (delicately) in brainstorming production meetings and it always dies on the vine because of lack of consenses, and I feel, tredidation for rocking the boat. That being said, I think the show we want is coming soon anyway. |
| Friday December 05 13:20:29 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
>That being said, I think the show we want is coming soon anyway. Okay... Know something we don't? Care to share? Hmmm? :-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Friday December 05 13:55:15 2003 Re: You Can't Do That On Television |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Does anyone remember this 80's show that came on > Nickelodeon? Anyway there was an episode about heroes, > and there were some scenes where a young lady was tied to > a railroad track. Does anyone have these clips or know > where they can be found? Yeah that was a good one. There was also a Nickelodeon show called Turkey TV that featured a skit called 'The Babysitter'. In one these skits the 20 year old sitter gets tied up good to a lazy boy. No gag though. Does anyone remember this one? Any vidcaps? |
| benny |
| benfartsfire@yahoo.com |
| Friday December 05 13:56:52 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
>That being said, I think the show we want is coming soon anyway. Hopefully, you're right. The state of shows is terrible right now. Found an interesting poll on the Nancy Drew movie from last year. Respondents were asked what they wanted in a possible Drew TV series. Number one at 12 percent was more "suspence" and Number 2 at 10 percent was more "peril/danger," including the actual description of bound and gagged. Since the poll wasn't taken on brianspage, it's interesting. Follow the link for the poll results. Do a find on gagged, for the one question if you don't want to read the rest. |
| http://www.nancydrewsleuth.com/nancydrewtvpolls.html |
| Friday December 05 14:43:31 2003 pirates |
| Someone posted awhile back that in the extended version of Pirates of the Carribean there "might" be a full treatment scene for the leading lady.
Has anyone seen the extended version and can comment on any possiblity of that scene. |
| Friday December 05 14:44:45 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Hopefully, you're right. The state of shows is terrible > right now. Found an interesting poll on the Nancy Drew > movie from last year. > http://www.nancydrewsleuth.com/nancydrewtvpolls.html I remember this poll - I think it was mentioned here months ago. Too bad it's an unofficial site. Let's face it, suspense, and adventure/peril are both good storytelling devices, period. They're the reasons I enjoyed reading books as a kid, and what I enjoyed most in the adventure cartoons I watched. Today's writers seem to think jokes and action are somehow more interesting than suspense, adventure and peril (which in itself is another form of suspense!). They've abandoned good storytelling devices, period. If they brought back those devices, they'd bring back the DiD that inevitably comes with them. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Friday December 05 14:52:44 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| Jazz411 wrote:
> Today's writers seem to think jokes and action are > somehow more interesting than suspense, adventure and > peril (which in itself is another form of suspense!). > They've abandoned good storytelling devices, period. If they brought back those devices, they'd bring back the DiD that inevitably comes with them. I agree. The concept of making the female tough and capable ("Karen Sisco", "Without a Trace" with Poppy) and leaving out the vulnerable has been the recent trend on network TV. I also think the reality shows (which will eventually fade away, remember "Who wants to be a Millionaire") also hurt the damsel theme, because it's less time the networks have to fill with 1-hour shows that might usually be a crime series or adventure. |
| Friday December 05 15:15:08 2003 Re: pirates |
| > Someone posted awhile back that in the extended version
> of Pirates of the Carribean there "might" be a > full treatment scene for the leading lady. I haven't seen the DVD but Keira did have a very brief handgag scene in the film (not worth noting if she wasn't so daamn cute). |
| Friday December 05 15:18:13 2003 Re: King Kong |
| > The remake will start filming soon with Peter Jackson as
> director. Some bondage assured. Interesting news development: KONG COURTS NEW GAL PAL: Naomi Watts ("Mulholland Drive," "The Ring") appears to be the prime candidate to play King Kong's female friend in Peter Jackson's remake of the 1933 classic movie. "It's looking OK" for Watts to sign a contract to play Ann Darrow, Fay Wray 's role in the original film, Jackson told a newspaper in Wellington, New Zealand. The Dominion Post reported that Jackson met Watts in London in October to show her some designs for the remake of the movie, to be shot against a stylized period backdrop of New York City. |
| Canuck |
| Friday December 05 15:31:02 2003 Re: Nancy Drew |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
That being said, I think the show we want is coming and Number 2 at 10 percent was more "peril/danger," including the actual description of bound and gagged ... Unfortunately, when you subtract the number of votes probably cast by guys on this page, etc...it's probably more like 3% in reality. |
| Major John |
| Friday December 05 15:57:29 2003 GH West Coast Alert!!! |
| Skye (Robin Christopher) is bound to a chair and cleave-gagged with a black cloth in the last 10 minutes!! |
| bdecker |
| Friday December 05 15:59:32 2003 GH SoapNet & West Coast Alert |
| In the last 10 minutes of today's General Hospital episode, Skye, an attractive red head, is grabbed, then shown a short time later bound to a chair and cleave gagged with a dark blue cloth. Scene looks to continue tomorrow. |
| East Coast Dan |
| Friday December 05 16:12:41 2003 Re: GH SoapNet & West Coast Alert |
| East Coast Dan wrote:
> In the last 10 minutes of today's General Hospital > episode, Skye, an attractive red head, is grabbed, then > shown a short I just caught the teaser. she is gagged and tied in the next ep. Looks good. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Friday December 05 17:56:25 2003 Withdrawing Lips from Tape Gags. |
| Have just watched that excellent movie Desperate Motive with Mel Harris all bound up and duct tape gagged. What I find particularly interestuing is when She tries to withdraw her lips from the Gags but to no avail. Can you think of any other scenes on TV/Films where the damsel has tried similar. |
| Ukman |
| Friday December 05 17:58:08 2003 Re: GH West Coast Alert!!! |
| > Skye (Robin Christopher) is bound to a chair and
> cleave-gagged with a black cloth in the last 10 minutes!! I can think of other actresses on the soap I would rather see get the treatment |
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| Friday December 05 17:59:08 2003 Strapping To Couches/Tables. |
| I have always liked scenes where the damsel is strapped to a couch or operating table but find it difficult to find any good pics of TV and Films anwhere.
Can anyone point me in the right direction. |
| Ukman |
| Friday December 05 18:10:23 2003 Re: Withdrawing Lips from Tape Gags. |
| > think of any other scenes on TV/Films where the damsel
> has tried similar. Michael Michelle in Dangerous Curves |
| Friday December 05 18:23:18 2003 Re: Gag Without Rope |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I agree. The concept of making the female tough and > capable ("Karen Sisco", "Without a > Trace" with Poppy) and leaving out the vulnerable > has been the recent trend on network TV. A female who is tough and capable can make a very good DiD in my opinion. For one, it makes it more exciting when she *is* captured, since it creates a contrast between a hero who's completely in charge one moment, and a helpless victim the next. In fact, it's a classic storytelling device. Plus I always enjoyed watching damsels try to untie themselves, and the suspense that sometimes resulted once they got free from their bonds but still had to escape their actual place of captivity. So "tough and capable" isn't necessarily something that kills DiD. It's only when you make the characters into boring superhumans that it does. And that, for storytelling reasons alone, is not a good idea. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Friday December 05 20:03:52 2003 GH |
| I threw up a couple of quick caps from todays scene. |
| Mark C |
| http://community.webtv.net/didcaps/entrance |
| Friday December 05 20:11:33 2003 Withdrawing Lips from Tape Gags |
| > What I find particularly interesting is when she tries to withdraw her lips from the Gags but to no avail. Can you think of any other scenes on TV/Films where the damsel has tried similar.
------ Louise Robey in Friday the 13th: The Series ("Better Off Dead") when she was placed in a straightjacket & caged by ye olde mad scientist. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday December 05 20:30:12 2003 Re: GH West Coast Alert!!! |
| bdecker wrote:
> Skye (Robin Christopher) is bound to a chair and > cleave-gagged with a black cloth in the last 10 minutes!! > I want to thank bdecker and East Coast Dan for the alert ... and as importantly, the accuracy of the scene time. I've learned through bitter experience to take posted times with a grain of salt ... or a mine or two ... so I taped from the 40' mark on today. For completists there was an initial reaction shot around 46' in when Ms. Christopher looks up at her as-yet unidentified captor. The bondage came in about six minutes later. |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Friday December 05 21:56:22 2003 Re: GH |
| Mark C wrote:
> I threw up a couple of quick caps from todays scene. And if the teaser is faithfull to the next ep, you can count on at least one excellent close up, full face, wide eyed, flaired nostrils, angry and humiliated. I'm taping baby, I'm taping..... |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Friday December 05 23:27:42 2003 Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM FUGZY |
| FUGZARRO wrote:
I mean the > idea of bondage is to cause some discomfort unless of > course it's in the context of sexual play. While I certainly agree with the rest of your paragraph, I disagree with the first half of the sentence above. It seems to me that "the idea of bondage" when depicted in a drama (or even a comedy) is to keep the bound character from doing something the binder character doesn't want. In dramas we find depictions of things that are supposed to be plausible recreations of something that might happen in "real life"--unless the villain is a sadist, she or he binds the damsel to prevent her from spoiling his/her nefarious plan, nothing more. I will grant that discomfort is a nearly universal side effect of being bound in any way for any period of time. Even staying in one position without "benefit" of bondage is uncomfortable after a while. Discomfort does engender sympathy toward the damsel, and if she knows how to act, generates some struggling. |
| Rich McGill |
| Friday December 05 23:32:45 2003 Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM FUGZY |
| Rich McGill wrote:
> FUGZARRO wrote: > > I mean the > > idea of bondage is to cause some discomfort > While I certainly agree with the rest of your paragraph, Clarification: I meant to say that I agree with the jist of what follows the quoted sentence. The preceeding sentence reflects a matter of taste; mine is different but I don't mind when others think differently in that regard. |
| Rich McGill |
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