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| Tuesday December 16 00:17:25 2003 Re: Elisha Cuthbertson, Kim Bauer and 24 series 3 |
| > However, I think most of us would give a terrific
> grade for the Elisha Cuthbert scene on Tuesday. I don't > see how a mainstream scene can get any better. And 12 > minutes in a primetime show in the U.S. is actually an > eternity. That scene was perfect in my book (even with the >bad haircut on Kim). It was a good scene and about as good a tape gag as you can do for TV (wrapped around may have been nice also); she's pretty and her hair's not an issue imho. However, although the length was good compared to most (all) of the recent scenes in mainstream, it was still short. If you count the time she was shown, including the opening hand gag she was on screen tied or in peril less than a minute. When he grabbed her over the opening credits I thought it would be a long and classic scene but she was rescued far too soon. If you really study the edit they spent more time showing a close up of the ringing telephone and/or her hands reaching for the cord than they did on her face and body. It just seems to be the way they do it now... no one seems to linger or gloat these days; to bad. Still, a way better than average, very good scene. |
| Tuesday December 16 00:54:22 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> One of the better tape gags One of my favorites. The video box cover and closing credits has a picture of a totally different girl with an OTM gag. For some reason, the only time I ever see that heavy, cloth tape is in UK scenes. I've never seen it in a US scene. |
| Anubis |
| Tuesday December 16 07:31:56 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Anubis wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > One of the better tape gags. > One of my favorites. > > For some reason, the only time I ever see that heavy, > cloth tape is in UK scenes. I've never seen it in a US scene. Way back ( pre '80s ) before black or silver grey duct tape became the fashion in US mainstream DID scenes, pinkish or white medical tape was the style. |
| C |
| Tuesday December 16 09:57:21 2003 CSI Miami |
| Anything of interest? |
| Tuesday December 16 10:13:51 2003 Fall Guy |
| One of the better AOH scenes, if a tad brief. |
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| Howie |
| Tuesday December 16 10:16:56 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| > The video box cover and closing credits has a picture of
> a totally different girl with an OTM gag. > This was discussed recently at Rob's Damsels; the DiD in the painting is believed to be Susan Hampshire, in a scene either never shot, or discarded from the final film. I didn't know it was available on video! I haven't seen that excellent image since the show was last transmitted here in 1981. If anyone could cap or scan it and post it somewhere on the net, I think a lot of people would be grateful! On the subject of duct tape, it's very expensive here in the UK, unless you get really poor quality stuff. I understand it's been the most plentiful kind of tape in the US for many years, hence its preponderance in American scenes. One thing I've never seen is an OTM gag backed with acrylic double-sided tape, which sticks really well. VERY effective, and still of classic appearance. :-) |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 10:22:00 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| > I haven't seen that excellent image since the show was
> last transmitted here in 1981. Not very hard to find |
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| Canuck |
| Tuesday December 16 10:35:09 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Thanks, Canuck!
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| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 11:13:56 2003 Re: CSI Miami |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Anything of interest? Some. As is usual for CSI: Miami, they start with the victim and work their way backwards, so all you really see of the crime is flashes. Sexy, young blonde wearing mini-skirt and boots who's into being kidnapped for kicks. At about 20min in, brief flash of her bound and gagged with cloth stuffed in her mouth about to be locked into a box. At about 30min. in, brief flash of her trying to run away, but she gets caught and hand-gagged. At about 40min. in, brief flash featuring close-up of her with clear plastic over her mouth and nose (turns out she's into smothering as well). Final flash around 50min. mark of the smothering scene again. |
| Tuesday December 16 11:17:27 2003 Re: Fall Guy |
| > One of the better AOH scenes, if a tad brief.
Too bad they didn't show her being tied up by Mary Crosby. |
| Colt |
| Tuesday December 16 11:25:19 2003 Re: Alias /Possible Honorary Gagslam for Jen |
| > Jennifer Garner has been gagged before.....TV Series
> called Swift Justice...tape gag scene....hopefully > next time will be a cleave gag Better a red tape tape gag than a red ball gag |
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| Tuesday December 16 11:58:40 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
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Anubis wrote: cloth tape is in UK scenes. I've never seen it in a US scene. Recall this from my UK days (Elastoplast brand - 3in roll) Not available in US, and in Canada only in skin tone) - very similar to ACE bandage, but HIGHLY adhesive and stretchy - this is what is used in this scene, as well as 'Okavango' |
| Major John |
| Tuesday December 16 11:59:17 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Hmmm...
Seeing the pic again, I'd say the eyes, brows and hairline are very similar to Ms Hampshire's, the nose is Samantha Eggar's, and the gag looks far too flat to be painted from life or a photo of a gagged Ms H. Probably straight out of the artist's imagination. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 13:05:01 2003 Re: Alias /Possible Honorary Gagslam for Jen |
| > Better a red tape tape gag than a red ball gag
> A ball gag similiar to Jeanne Savary's in 'Nestor Burma' would have been much better for Ms Garner |
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| Tuesday December 16 14:44:11 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Major John wrote:
> > Recall this from my UK days (Elastoplast brand - 3in > roll) > Not available in US, and in Canada only in skin tone) > Dunno about today, but I bought a roll at a drugstore in SF in '87 or so. |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Tuesday December 16 15:38:02 2003 Re: CSI Miami |
| Responding to:
At about 40min. in, brief flash featuring close-up of her with clear plastic over her mouth and nose (turns out she's into smothering as well). Final flash around 50min. mark of the smothering scene again. My new response: You obviously didn't watch the episode: she was NOT into smothering - it was how the guy murdered her - his 'ultimate thrill' as explained in the wrap-up. Overall a very poor, disappointing episode, every shot shaky, in addition to being super brief and darkly lit. I hate police procedurals. |
| Clarifier |
| Tuesday December 16 15:44:32 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Mad Dan wrote:
> I haven't seen that excellent image since the show was > last transmitted here in 1981. If anyone could cap or > scan it I think a lot of people would be grateful! Ask and you shall receive. |
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| Anubis |
| Tuesday December 16 15:47:37 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Major John wrote:
> Recall this from my UK days (Elastoplast brand - 3in > roll) > Not available in US, and in Canada only in skin tone) - > very similar to ACE bandage, but HIGHLY adhesive and > stretchy - Thats the stuff. It looks more effective than any other tape I've seen because it stretches so it cant get pulled loose, and the way it conforms to the DiDs face makes it look like the adhesive is tough as super glue. other scenes Ive seen it in are The Black Panther, Touching Evil "Scalpings", and an episode of A Touch of Frost. Theres a couple of others but I cant think of them off the top of my head |
| Anubis |
| Tuesday December 16 15:47:44 2003 Re: CSI Miami |
| Clarifier wrote:
> mark of the smothering scene again. > > My new response: > > You obviously didn't watch the episode: she was NOT into > smothering - I agree. I saw this. it would have been more interesting had she been into smothering, which is an acknowledged fetish for carefull intelligent adults, but that was not part of the plot. They could have done so much more with this from every perspective. Very poorly done for DID standpoint. |
| doug |
| doug5759 |
| Tuesday December 16 16:05:32 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Anubis wrote:
> For some reason, the only time I ever see that heavy, > cloth tape is in UK scenes. I've never seen it in a US scene. My favourite tape, Anubis, the way it just adheres to and outlines the lips is just the business!!! I also remember Sinead Cusack sporting the same tape gag in the 'Burning Bush' episode of another UK series, The Protectors (with Robert Vaughan in the same predicament unfortunately). I consider as very special those scenes where this tape is applied. Okavango is indeed a double treat Major John. I actually tried to find this tape here in the UK not so long ago for a custom shoot, and managed to get hold of a large roll of Elastoplast; 4" wide and more cream in colour than white, but the best, stickiest and closest to what I wanted that I could really find. In line with just about everywhere these days, silver and black tape would now appear to be the TV/Film norm here too, with white all but having disappeared. Also, thanks Canuck for the cap of the Cry Terror cover; this was the source of much discussion over on Rob's page as Dan has already pointed out, and I must let our dear Celtic chum Kenny know as he instigated our chat on the Susan Hampshire sketch. |
| Martin |
| Tuesday December 16 16:07:22 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Anubis wrote:
> Ask and you shall receive. And thanks to you too for the same reason. |
| Martin |
| Tuesday December 16 16:34:06 2003 White stretch tape scenes |
| Martin wrote:
white stretch tape....... Yes, a refreshing diversion from the silver variety - I wasn't aware it was available in US (in '87? - all those wasted years !) Also manufactured in India under licence and available on-line BTW. Any other scenes that come to mind, lads ? |
| Major John |
| Tuesday December 16 16:49:44 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| > One of the better tape gags
> A couple more caps courtesy of Kerhop |
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| Tuesday December 16 17:00:40 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Major John wrote:
> Any other scenes that come to mind, lads ? Ann Lynn in the black and white British thriller Strongroom was gagged with tape that could well have been of this type, though it was a smaller and narrower strip as I recall. But her lips were definitely very well highlighted much as in the other scenes already mentioned. |
| Martin |
| Tuesday December 16 17:05:04 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Major John wrote:
> Also manufactured in India under licence and available > on-line BTW. Would you be able to point us in the right direction for online purchasing with a relevant link or two? May be worth knowing for future reference. Thanks. |
| Martin |
| Tuesday December 16 17:43:28 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Suzan Farmer got a nice big white tape gag in an ep of "The Saint". It may have been Elastoplast.
I also remember Jill Ireland being gagged with soft white tape in "The Avengers", though it could have been the non-stretchy cloth tape, with medical plaster-style zinc oxide adhesive, once common in the UK. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 18:26:59 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Mad Dan wrote:
> I also remember Jill Ireland being gagged with soft white > tape in "The Avengers", though it could have > been the non-stretchy cloth tape, with medical > plaster-style zinc oxide adhesive, once common in the UK. Jill Ireland in "The Avengers"? The Patrick MacNee "Avengers"? I don't recall here being tape gagged in that show (or even a guest star in any episodes). She was tied & gagged in an episode of Man From U.N.C.L.E., but IIRC it was an OTM gag. |
| JP |
| JAPfeif@aol.com |
| Tuesday December 16 18:56:00 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| Biff wrote:
> Major John wrote: > > > > > Recall this from my UK days (Elastoplast brand - 3in > > > roll) > > Not available in US, and in Canada only in skin > tone) > > > > Dunno about today, but I bought a roll at a drugstore in > SF in '87 or so. I believe that this type of tape, or something very similar, is available in the U.S. A friend of mine had some stretchy, cream-colored tape earlier this year. He described it as "athletic tape." You might be able to find it in some sporting good stores and drug stores. I will look around for it. However, I would agree that it is much easier to obtain duct tape. |
| mornad |
| mornad4@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 16 18:57:43 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
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> Jill Ireland in "The Avengers"? The Patrick > MacNee "Avengers"? I don't recall here being > tape gagged in that show (or even a guest star in any > episodes). Blimey, it's not in the DB!! Quelle surprise... It was in one of the early black and white eps. Steed infiltrated a gang and was pretending to have captured Jill's character so as to gain entrance to the leader's lair. Just outside the door, he handed her a piece of white tape and told her to put it over her mouth. He then rang the bell or knocked, thrust Jill's gagged face in front of the peephole, and knocked out the guy who opened the door. At least, I THINK it was Jill Ireland. By that time I was beginning to notice the names of DiD actresses. Mainstream self-gagging, no less. Another, equestrian, example, with an OTM gag, occurred in an episode of the Roger Moore "Ivanhoe" series, though I don't know which ep or who the gorgeous blonde ws. :-( |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 19:00:02 2003 Re: CSI Miami |
| On a positive note, the 'Kidnaping for a sexual thrill' angle was treated as just another thing bored rich kids do.
No moral outrage, just part of the chain of events that resulted in a murder. Overall the DIDDAGE was pretty lame and disappointing, hands tied in front and she leaves her stuff gag in !!!!!!! |
| Jacot |
| Tuesday December 16 19:00:16 2003 Re: Guiding light? |
| > (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > > Did anything happen on Guiding Light today? I seem > to > > recall someone mentioned a possibility for this > week. What about Days & OLTL? Anything look like it's even trying to pan out into a bondage situation? We've been without TV reception for 2 days now (bad weather) & haven't been able to catch the soaps. |
| Tuesday December 16 19:15:50 2003 The Avengers White stretch tape scene |
| > > Jill Ireland in "The Avengers"? I don't recall here being tape gagged in that show (or even a guest star in any
episodes). > > > Blimey, it's not in the DB!! Quelle surprise... It was in one of the early black and white eps. Steed infiltrated a gang and was pretending to have captured Jill's character so as to gain entrance to the leader's lair. Just outside the door, he handed her a piece of white tape and told her to put it over her mouth. He then rang the bell or knocked, thrust Jill's gagged face in front of the peephole, and knocked out the guy who opened the door. At least, I THINK it was Jill Ireland... ---- Hmm, unfortunately, IMDB.com doesn't list a TV episode of "The Avengers" in Jill Ireland's filmography. In any event, I'll have to keep this scene in mind, in case I want to crash a ritzy Christmas party that offers some primo hors d'oevres. Instead of wasting my time trying to wrangle something ahead of time like an invitation or "credentials", I could just bring along a gagged honey to the doorway... |
| Kinky-napper |
| Tuesday December 16 19:25:07 2003 Switch - Diana Martin |
| A scene just added to the database is for the U.K. show "Switch". There is a brief trailer on the "Switch" website showing Diana Martin tied & tape gagged. The cliffhanger has Diana's character "Claire" held captive by astalker. |
| zinger |
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/seehear/switch/story/episode8.shtml |
| Tuesday December 16 19:31:35 2003 Re: The Avengers White stretch tape scene |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> Hmm, unfortunately, IMDB.com doesn't list a TV episode of > "The Avengers" in Jill Ireland's filmography. Doesn't, does it? I'm pretty certain it wasn't "Ghost Squad", the other thing in which she appeared around that time. I remembered her from that when she turned up in "The Avengers". The earliest eps aren't at all well documented (the old wipe-the-tape syndrome), and it must have been one from the first series. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 19:56:59 2003 Re: Switch - Diana Martin |
| Viewers in the UK, Ireland and northern coastal Europe can catch a repeat of this show on BBC 1 at 0145 GMT - that's about 45 minutes from this post. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 20:03:55 2003 Re: Scene in Movie "The Experiment" |
| Jay L wrote:
> SW wrote: > > > She has a large piece of silver tape ove > > mouth and it looks like she's probably in a straight > > jacket. No straightjacket -- it's actually just an oversized white shirt. > Sounds good, > from the Database: > > She's totally nude and there is some nice mmphhing. You know, I don't think this is correct, unless there is footage someplace which didn't make the DVD. In the version I clipped (and featured in a weekly update just a couple weeks back), the only nudity is a very dark, less-than-two-second long crotch view as one of the bad guys (during an abortive rape attempt) lifts her shirt, under which she's got nothing on. I'd be happy to help straighten it out over on DB Corrections, though that's pretty much the only information I have at the moment. Definitely not a bad little scene, though. |
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| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 16 20:06:37 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Martin wrote:
Would you be able to point us in the right direction I'll look it up and check back - cheers. |
| Major John |
| Tuesday December 16 20:06:40 2003 Garner gag scene |
| For some reason when i go to the link you guys describe i get nothing. Is there a problem or something? |
| Tuesday December 16 20:32:56 2003 Re: Hitcher In The Dark |
| iD wrote:
> There's a bit of a contreversey about this DVD. The US > version is letterboxed representing the original intended > theatrical aspect ratio. However earlier US videos and a > recent Japanese DVD are full screen and reveal more > picture where the bars are in the US DVD. Which is better? You decide. Good to know. I'd thought about renting the DVD, as HitD is probably on my personal top-ten list of scenes, and the VHS transfer I clipped was slightly blurry as you can see here (not to mention subtitled in Italian). Still, while I'm normally a widescreen purist, I'd have to go with the full-frame transfer if it shows more of the "good stuff." Either way, though, it's a long, dynamic, highly-recommended scene. I doubt that the original poster will be disappointed. |
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| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 16 20:42:41 2003 Re: Johnathon Creek series |
| Zidane wrote:
> Does anybody have caps from the episode in Johnathon > Creek where the woman is blindfolded and gagged with > black duct tape. Thanks Sure, here's one... |
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| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 16 20:52:01 2003 Re: Alias /Possible Honorary Gagslam for Jen |
| mornad wrote:
> According to the database, Ms. Garner also was gagged > (and bound) with bubble wrap in "Dude, Where's My > Car" and was cuffed and gagged with a dental clamp > in an earlier episode of Alias. My first question is > could the bubble wrap gag count as a cleave or an OTM > gag? I'd agree with Yeoman that this would be considered a cleave. BTW, Brian, I hope I'm not posting too many caps today. I'm catching up after a busy few days, and I figure that in most of these cases, it's helpful for folks to have a better idea what we're talking about. |
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| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 16 21:34:56 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Mad Dan wrote:
> It was in one of the early black and white eps. Steed > infiltrated a gang and was pretending to have captured > Jill's character so as to gain entrance to the leader's > lair. Just outside the door, he handed her a piece of > white tape and told her to put it over her mouth. > > He then rang the bell or knocked, thrust Jill's gagged > face in front of the peephole, and knocked out the guy > who opened the door. At least, I THINK it was Jill > Ireland. > I believe you're referencing "The Girl from A.U.N.T.I.E." ... in which case it wasn't Ms. Ireland. The IMDb page for the series' eps is in glacial mode ... so I'm not sure who the actor actually is. Marburger ... where I found the title ... doesn't list her in his synopsis. Also, she didn't gag herself ... Steed applies the tape in the back of a taxi, to the bemusement of the cabbie. *Then* the peephole scene pops. |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Tuesday December 16 21:35:52 2003 Re: Cry Terror |
| > I believe that this type of tape, or something very
> similar, is available in the U.S. A friend of mine had > some stretchy, cream-colored tape earlier this year. He > described it as "athletic tape." The tape used in Okavanga looks like 3in "microfoam" a brand of surgical tape by 3M available by special order in any US drugstore and on line; it also comes 4inch. It's a buff color, off white, films almost white, stretchy, a bit spungy and clingy and does not leave glue on the face; very good stuff. |
| Tuesday December 16 21:40:59 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
| Mad Dan wrote:
> He then rang the bell or knocked, thrust Jill's gagged > face in front of the peephole, and knocked out the guy > who opened the door. At least, I THINK it was Jill > Ireland. By that time I was beginning to notice the names > of DiD actresses. I believe you refer to this one: Record number: 670 Title: Avengers, The (1961) Medium: TV Series Actress: Liz Frazer Description: Episode: "The Girl from Auntie" (4.17) Mrs. Peel has been kidnapped. However, she is not tied, but is kept in a giant gilded cage. Steed, in an attempt to find her, enlists another agent, Georgie. As part of his plan, he gags Georgie with a piece of adhesive tape in the car enroute to the hideout. When they arrive, Georgie is also wearing a dark wig, the better to inpersonate Mrs. Peel. |
| Brian R |
| Tuesday December 16 21:47:33 2003 Re: Switch - Diana Martin |
| One of the best soap scenes I've ever seen.
All the characters involved are deaf students at a college. Claire (Martin) accompanies Philip, whom she hardly knows, to his apartment, where she finds a room full of photographs of her and (defaced) her Asian boyfriend. Philip menaces her, we cut to another scene, and we return to find the camera panning up from Claire's bound feet to her hands, tied in front and to her feet with red rope. We then see Philip pressing a strip of black gaffer tape over her mouth. Over several scenes, Claire mmmphs and emotes, sometimes in extreme facial close-up and from various angles, as the jealous loony prepares to torture or kill her with a knife. The show (and present series) ends with two male friends of Claire's banging on the door while she writhes and mmmphs like crazy. Top-notch stuff, very well acted! This soap is embedded in the BBC show "See Hear" for deaf people. I don't know how widely it is distributed, as British deaf culture and sign language are rather self-contained, but satellite and specialist channels may carry it abroad. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 21:50:04 2003 Re: White stretch tape scenes |
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> > I believe you refer to this one: > > Record number: 670 > > Title: Avengers, The (1961) > Medium: TV Series > Actress: Liz Frazer > > Description: Episode: "The Girl from Auntie" > (4.17) Duuuuuhhhh....scene creep! Senility is a terrible thing. Sorry. It was forty years ago, after all. |
| Mad Dan |
| Tuesday December 16 22:00:15 2003 Freaky Friday |
| anything on the DVD?
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| Dogg |
| Tuesday December 16 23:16:11 2003 Re: Johnathon Creek series |
| Raffish wrote:
> Sure, here's one... What's she doing in this picture? The DB entry says she gags and blindfolds herself and ties her hands behind her back, before committing a crime in this position. What's she holding with her feet? |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Tuesday December 16 23:18:07 2003 Cry Terror cover |
| Funny I was just thinking of this-my all time fave tape gag scene last month.I always wondered why susan hampshire was pictured as gagged when she wasn't in the film.Then I began to wonder if it is the Did from the movie in a blond wig.
Got me to thinking if one of the actresses posed for the scene.Interesting thought imagine a did in front of you for hours-even days!perhaps thta explains the loose look of the gag,lightly tied for the posers comfort. |
| md |
| Tuesday December 16 23:21:51 2003 Du Hast Mir Meine Familie Garaubt |
| Awww yeah. Those crazy Germans prioritize correctly once again (along with Canadian television, Jay L, and yours truly, of course).
Clips and many caps in the usual place. |
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| Raffish |
| http://www.abductor.com/raffish/canuck/ |
| Tuesday December 16 23:29:20 2003 Re: Raffish- Das Experiment |
| Raffish wrote:
> Jay L wrote: > from the Database: > I don't think this is correct, Sure. Will handle over on Database Corrections Page. |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday December 16 23:29:38 2003 Re: Johnathon Creek series |
| Jazz411 wrote:
> What's she doing in this picture? The DB entry says she > gags and blindfolds herself and ties her hands behind her > back, before committing a crime in this position. What's > she holding with her feet? That's a gun, rubberbanded to her left foot, with the trigger being pulled by her right. (She's previously placed pinholes in the tape blindfold so that she can see where she's aiming.) Should you be skeptical that this would ever work -- let alone fool even the most incompetent detective -- well, you're not the only one. Still, you gotta give them points for creativity. |
| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 16 23:39:28 2003 Re: Freaky Friday |
| Dogg wrote:
> anything on the DVD? Nope....NOTHING...theres 1 deleted scene...IT LIES! |
| Tuesday December 16 23:47:49 2003 Re: Johnathon Creek series |
| Raffish wrote:
> Should you be skeptical that this would ever work -- let > alone fool even the most incompetent detective -- well, > you're not the only one. Still, you gotta give them points for creativity. And it was enjoyable to see it via "flashback" (a la "Murder She Wrote", etc.) as the detective narrates (at the end of the ep) when she applies the tape "blindfold" and gag to herself and does the rubberband thing. |
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