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Saturday December 06 01:47:01 2003
Re: GH West Coast Alert!!!
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> > Skye (Robin Christopher) is bound to a chair and
> > cleave-gagged with a black cloth in the last 10
> minutes!!
>
> I can think of other actresses on the soap I would rather
> see get the treatment

Not me. Robin's been on the top of my "GH" wish list after being near the top of my "One Life to Live" wish-list playing the same character. Wish it was a tape-gag, but not even thinking about complaining about this one. With primetime in shambles, this is a nice surprise.
Saturday December 06 01:51:07 2003
Re: Flaired nostrils
doug wrote:

> Mark C wrote:
>
> > I threw up a couple of quick caps from todays
> scene.
>
> And if the teaser is faithfull to the next ep, you can
> count on at least one excellent close up, full face, wide
> eyed, flaired nostrils, angry and humiliated.

Usually you only got that with effective tape-gags. Alyson Hannigan in "Buffy", Maura Tierney in "Oxygen" and Adrienne Frantz (a big one) in the "Young and the Restless" all clearly flaired the nostrils during their gag scenes. Interesting fetish.
Saturday December 06 02:39:52 2003
Re: GH
Mark C wrote:

> I threw up a couple of quick caps from todays scene.

Very nice, thanks. I'm of the group that enjoys seeing a gag tied over long hair, and always appreciate a scene like that.

And on the subject of damsels' hair, I'm probably the only one that likes Elisha Cuthbert's new look (but it may be the suit and blouse as much as the hairdo).
Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound
Saturday December 06 03:56:59 2003
movies to check out
I noticed TV Guide's website has movie reviews, which sometimes give very detailed descriptions of the plot, occasionally mentioning if someone is bound and gagged.

One example is the movie "Violent Saturday" (1955):
http://www.tvguide.com/movies/database/showmovie.asp?MI=25611

"The gang intends to commit the robbery with Mature's car, race back to the farm, and then transfer to the farm truck and slowly drive out of town. The robbers blindfold, gag, and bind Mature and the Borgnine family, leaving them in the loft of the barn guarded by the getaway driver."

Anyway, just letting you know that searching TV Guide's website (via Google searches such as [ site:tvguide.com "gag" "bind" ]) may be one way to learn of other movies to check out.
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Saturday December 06 04:05:00 2003
Others
http://www.tvguide.com/Movies/database/ShowMovie.asp?MI=2750
"Arriving at her apartment, the two discover the stripper's roommate bound and gagged and the place ransacked."

http://www.tvguide.com/movies/database/ShowMovie.asp?MI=34724
"Elmo overcomes Bradley, who escapes, and frees a tied-up woman, known only as the Dame (Annabelle Gurwitch), who kills the other thugs before Elmo can collect for the pizza."

http://www.tvguide.com/movies/database/showmovie.asp?MI=35916
"When he goes looking for it, he discovers Cheyenne tied up in the attic and is confronted by Darian and then Cliff, who attacks him."

http://www.tvguide.com/Movies/database/showmovie.asp?MI=37066
"While covering for another prostitute, Cindy discovers Rain tied up in a bathtub and realizes that mild-mannered customer Jefferson (Mark Kiely) is the murderer."

http://www.tvguide.com/movies/database/showmovie.asp?MI=36236
"Now Paul unravels completely: he ties Nelly to the bed and, after hitting his head in a fall, apparently cuts his own throat. The next morning, Nelly is still tied up; Paul is alive but inert."

Just several more examples. Search terms were
site:tvguide.com "tied up"

A potential goldmine. And these are from the first 5 pages of search results - never mind searching for "kidnap", etc.
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Saturday December 06 06:56:54 2003
Re: Flared nostrils
>
> Usually you only got that with effective tape-gags.
. Interesting fetish.


Orgazmo.

Best tape gag struggling I've ever seen, significantly in a comic context. Flared, stretched, wiggled, you name it. :-)


I can never understand how damsels can just sit there with tape on their faces and do nothing about it. That to me is as unconvincing as an outrageous loosie or a paper-backed tape gag.

Perhaps a lot of actresses don't like to pull silly faces because they feel it would harm their glamorous image, but it sure indicates that a gag is doing its job!
Mad Dan
Saturday December 06 07:01:35 2003
Revamping Database & FIFO
I have idea about re-sorting database and eliminate
blank slots. Also only editor can add/delete database
entries. Non editors can submit update/additional
data in a First In First Out Stack, with 3 status:
A: accepted, P: Being processed, R: rejected, similar to
IMDB update. After 1 week/certain limit the stack is
flushed.
Saturday December 06 07:49:03 2003
This week's update
This week: Tara MacLean in "Another California Song," Linda Evans and Jeanne Cooper in Big Valley "Tunnel Of Gold," Susan Haskell in Black Point, Nicolette Krebitz in Desperate Measures, Heather McComb in Devious Beings, and Nikki Ziering in Knee High P.I.
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/posts/1205.jpg
Raffish
raffish@abductor.com
http://www.abductor.com/raffish
Saturday December 06 09:18:58 2003
Re: GH
Jeb wrote:

> And on the subject of damsels' hair, I'm probably the
> only one that likes Elisha Cuthbert's new look (but it
> may be the suit and blouse as much as the hairdo).

I suspect it is the suit. These fully-clothed gals tied with a lot of rope and showing a lot of thigh works for me!
Hermango
hermango@hotmail.com
Saturday December 06 09:58:14 2003
A little help
I am trying to restart my site, but I've run into a bit of a snag. One of the things I would like to do (some of you may remember this from my last failed attempt) is to contact celeb babes about either having been in bondage or if they would. I would like to get feedback as to who I should be contacting. I'll definatly contact my favs, but it would be interesting to see who else gets picked.
Sorry about screening members to the Group site, but I've seen the way most Groups end up and would like to avoid that fate. I'll post again in a few days to update whats going on.
Herbert
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvtieups
Saturday December 06 10:49:22 2003
Help I.D. Scene
I received a trade video without credits and needed some help identifying a scene I am preparing for my website. Any help or scene context would be appreciated. I think it is from "As the World Turns". The database turned up one scene under "ATWT" which sounds right but was a bit too vague for me to be certain.

The included link will take you to a page on my site to view caps of the scene. I tried sharing thumbnails here but Geocities will not allow external links. If you can help please e-mail me to share your thoughts. Thanks!

Dave
TTTDave@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/traderdave42/atwt/atwt.html
Saturday December 06 11:52:12 2003
Re: Revamping Database & FIFO
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> I have idea about re-sorting database and eliminate
> blank slots.

We won't be doing that. Changing the Record #'s would
mess up other things.

> Also only editor can add/delete database
> entries. Non editors can submit update/additional
> data in a First In First Out Stack, with 3 status:
> A: accepted, P: Being processed, R: rejected, similar to
> IMDB update. After 1 week/certain limit the stack is
> flushed.

That's adding an extra burden of work to volunteer
editors. I wouldn't do that unless they unanimously
and enthusiastically endorsed it.

Also, it's unlikely that any major changes will take
place until we switch to a different underlying
system, which wouldn't happen until we rehost, if that
takes place.

The Engineer
Saturday December 06 11:54:45 2003
Re: Help I.D. Scene
Dave wrote:

> I received a trade video without credits and needed some
> help identifying a scene I am preparing for my website.
> Any help or scene context would be appreciated. I think
> it is from "As the World Turns". The database
> turned up one scene under "ATWT" which sounds
> right but was a bit too vague for me to be certain.

Record number: 31

Title: As The World Turns
Medium: Soap Opera
Actress: Martha Byrne

Description: Tied and gagged with tape for several episodes. She is tied various way, including a hogtie and tied to a chair. She gagged with a strip of black tape at several points. Very long scene.

Brian R
Saturday December 06 12:33:14 2003
Site problems
Looks like the file system is having problems again. As such, I have taken database Add and Edit off line while I notify the hosting company. Database Query is still up, but you will see an error message at the bottom, ignore that.

It probably won't affect regular forum operation, but may.

I will let you know when it is fixed.

The Engineer
Saturday December 06 13:28:46 2003
Re: Revamping Database & FIFO
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> I have idea about re-sorting database and eliminate
> blank slots. Also only editor can add/delete database
> entries.

I disagree,

we basically have one foolish and immature poster from the Singapore-Indonesia area, whom consistantly causes problems in the Database.
He's predictable, and we're keeping on top of him.

For the most part,
everyone else making an attempt to contribute to the Database, so no need to treat them any different as do at moment.
Jay
Saturday December 06 13:35:50 2003
Re: Revamping Database & FIFO
The Engineer wrote:

> adding an extra burden of work to volunteer
> editors. I wouldn't do that unless they unanimously
> and enthusiastically endorsed it.

Exactly.
I don't wish to treat posters putting forth a good effort,
the same as do an immature poster.
Jay
Saturday December 06 14:09:26 2003
Re: A little help
Herbert wrote:

> I am trying to restart my site, but I've run into a bit
> of a snag. One of the things I would like to do (some of
> you may remember this from my last failed attempt) is to
> contact celeb babes about either having been in bondage
> or if they would. I would like to get feedback as to who
> I should be contacting. I'll definatly contact my favs,
> but it would be interesting to see who else gets picked.
>
Good luck with the Yahoo group. I have one active and think there a good way to post caps, clips, etc. for free.

However, contacting celebs about this stuff may be seen as carrying it a "bit to far." You won't get any responses, except maybe a restraining order. Two words: Rebecca Schaffer. Every star is advised to never answer fan mail personally, which Rebecca did and the phycho became more obsessed. Just my two cents, which is more than it's worth anyway. Keep it to caps and clips and you'll get more help and participation.
Saturday December 06 14:31:07 2003
Re: A little help
You know what? I bet there will be people that don't like the fact that I'm trying to talk to the celebs, but I think if you were to word it the right way you may not get a responce, but I don't think I'll have problems either.

I got the idea from Rob's site (Christa Sauls) I thought it might be interesting to see how many others would openly discuss getting tied up.

Mostly though, I plan on sending letters to shows or networks. If there is enough people that ask for something, I say they just might get it.

If I fail, at least I gave it a shot. I wasn't a person that sat around moaning about the lack of scenes. I'm not taking this very seriously, it's more of a way to try and see some chicks tied up (tell me after all those near misses with actresses like Katie Holmes and more then a couple on soaps that you wouldn't appreciate seeing them)

I never thought there was any harm in asking.


http://herbert191.tripod.com/
Herbert
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvtieups/?yguid=162303071
Saturday December 06 14:37:10 2003
Re: A little help
Herbert wrote:

> I never thought there was any harm in asking.


Calm down. The other person was just giving you some
advice, not bashing you. Don't take it personally.

The Moderator
Saturday December 06 14:56:45 2003
What about the girl tied up & gagged on a bed?
Any favourites on a girl bound & gagged on a bed? Not the one whose hands are tied to the bed posts. She's the one lying on the bed & whose hands and feet are bound. I can think of Elizabeth Ashley in Mission Impossible & a few others? Ever thought why some of them don't get off the bed & try to untie themselves but wait to be found & rescued?
S
Saturday December 06 15:02:46 2003
Re: What about the girl tied up & gagged on a bed?
S wrote:

Ever thought why some of
> them don't get off the bed & try to untie themselves
> but wait to be found & rescued?

Because they have to follow a script?
Saturday December 06 15:17:44 2003
Re: A little help
Herbert wrote:

> One of the things I would like to do (some of
> you may remember this from my last failed attempt) is to
> contact celeb babes about either having been in bondage
> or if they would.

This could have sereious unintended consequences: You make the actress uncomfortable knowing that some fans see bondage as sexual, and when the scene comes up for that actress she objects, just as she might to doing a nude or bedroom scene. Madonna, Britney Spears, maybe no problem. Kellie Martin, Hillary Duff, maybe big problem. Worse yet, the actress mentions it to the writers or producers and *they* get uptight about it. Sure, everybody in the world these days knows that bondage has a sexual overtone, but most don't think of that when they're making cop shows. If they did, they'd make the bondage more realistic. We're in a sort of "Don't ask, don't tell" situation.
Paul
Saturday December 06 15:50:35 2003
Re: Flared nostrils
Mad Dan wrote:

> >
> > Usually you only got that with effective tape-gags.
>
> . Interesting fetish.
>
>
> Orgazmo.
>
> Best tape gag struggling I've ever seen, significantly
> in a comic context. Flared, stretched, wiggled, you name
> it. :-)
>
>

It is probably the first thing I notice in a gag scene, and yes, I suppose it is a fetish. Most good scenes include the actress using her nose to express her predicament just as much as she uses her eyes. It's just that many viewers are not as tuned in to the signals as they are to those that come from the eyes.
doug
doug5759@yahoo.com
Saturday December 06 16:02:12 2003
Re: GH
Mark C wrote:

> I threw up a couple of quick caps from todays scene.

Ok Mark C, where on your page are those DiDCaps of GH? Cause i can't find them.

FFF
Saturday December 06 16:39:28 2003
Re: A little help
> Herbert wrote:
>
> > One of the things I would like to do (some of
> > you may remember this from my last failed attempt)
> is to
> > contact celeb babes about either having been in
> bondage
> > or if they would.

I think that celebs are frightened enough of stalkers that anyone making inquiries about bondage scenes will not get a response, period. From anybody. Feel free to try, because if you get even one good response, it's going to be worthwhile. I tried it for a while, but it was like dropping a rock into a bottomless pit -- not even the faintest echo of a splash. It's your time and effort, and yours to decide if you're spending it productively.

> Paul wrote:

> This could have sereious unintended consequences: You
> make the actress uncomfortable knowing that some fans
> see bondage as sexual, and when the scene comes up for
> that actress she objects, just as she might to doing a
> nude or bedroom scene. Madonna, Britney Spears, maybe no
> problem. Kellie Martin, Hillary Duff, maybe big problem.
> Worse yet, the actress mentions it to the writers or
> producers and *they* get uptight about it. Sure,
> everybody in the world these days knows that bondage has
> a sexual overtone, but most don't think of that when
> they're making cop shows. If they did, they'd make the
> bondage more realistic. We're in a sort of "Don't ask, don't tell" situation.

I don't know that I agree with this. Generally speaking, writers, directors and actors are very much aware of the sexual aspects of everything that shows up in their programming. I would be very surprised if they were somehow unaware that scenes in which characters are bound and/or gagged have a sexual appeal for some audience members.
Pat Powers
Saturday December 06 16:47:20 2003
Re: A little help
My apologies. I didn't mean for it to sound defencive. I was only trying to make my intentions a little more clear.
Herbert
Saturday December 06 16:55:50 2003
Contacting Celebrities
I would really like to see an episode of "The Actor's Studio" in which they have an extended, serious, *scholarly* discussion of the Damsel-in-Distress, movie bondage, told anecdotes about being tied up on the set of..., etc. It would beat the heck out of the "What's your favorite kind of tree?"-type questions they "discuss" on that show now... but not only is that NOT gonna happen, but no actress is gonna respond to e-mail about what it was like to be bound and gagged. {sigh} :-(
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/
Saturday December 06 17:48:37 2003
Re: A little help
Pat Powers wrote:

> I think that celebs are frightened enough of stalkers
> that anyone making inquiries about bondage scenes will
> not get a response, period. From anybody.

Believe I sent you the SexTV show where this brought up with Brinke Stevens.
Along with Slave Girls From Beyond Infinity, scenes shown.

She [roughly] "found her scenes erotic", and "someone had asked if she drawn to those type of scripts", which she "thinking about it, figured she was"

If the fellas interested in this?
could try and catch that ep and get it to a DiDclipper?
Or,
Someone could post her exact comments in a Daily Banter perhaps?
Jay
Saturday December 06 18:11:51 2003
Re: Att- Moderator?- Anything Goes?
Jay wrote:

> the SexTV show where this brought up
> with Brinke Stevens.

Brian:
Was looking up the exact ep title for the interested fellas, for when aired on CITY channel again.

Turns out, the CITY channel site has updated, with more photos and clips from the SexTV show.
Noticed good one for that Japanese Rope Bondage ep from Season 5.

Recall rule was, SexTV mainstream enough to mention scenes, but would you rather have the rope bondage episode clips pointed out on the Anything Goes Page?
Jay
Saturday December 06 18:32:25 2003
Update
Major John's is updated courtesy of Fuzz.
Major John
silent_night_022003@yahoo.com
http://www.fuzzweb.org
Saturday December 06 19:09:19 2003
Vengence
This was a movie in the 70's with a lot of good bondage scenes. The daughter and wife are bound and gagged, while daddy is ordered to open the house safe. Once the home invaders left them met a couple at an all night washateria and the bondage starts all over agian. Does anyone have any have a clip of this movie?
Saturday December 06 19:18:46 2003
Re: Contacting Celebrities
> > but no actress is gonna respond to e-mail about what it
> was like to be bound and gagged. {sigh} :-(
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/


Actually, I have met a couple of local actresses that way. You never know what people are willing to talk about until you talk to them about it.
Herbert
Saturday December 06 19:20:24 2003
Re: What about the girl tied up & gagged on a bed?
S wrote:

> Any favourites on a girl bound & gagged on a bed? Not
> the one whose hands are tied to the bed posts. She's the
> one lying on the bed & whose hands and feet are
> bound. I can think of Elizabeth Ashley in Mission
> Impossible & a few others? Ever thought why some of
> them don't get off the bed & try to untie themselves
> but wait to be found & rescued?


My favorite scene under this category would be the P.S.I. Luv U scene with Rebecca Staab, look it up in the database. Too bad no one out there has clips of this one, because she looked so damn hot tied up in the red mini dress. This was when Staab was around 30 years old and she looked damn good.

FFF
Saturday December 06 19:47:01 2003
Re: Contacting Celebrities
> I would really like to see an episode of "The
> Actor's Studio" in which they have an extended,
> serious, *scholarly* discussion of the
> Damsel-in-Distress, movie bondage, told anecdotes about
> being tied up on the set of..., etc.

He once had Meg Ryan on his show and he mentioned that she was kidnapped during her soap opera stint. She said 'Yes, I was kidnapped' and seemed to be expecting a followup question but the yutz went on some other topic.

I asked roundabout questions on bondage scenes to actresses such as Pamelyn Ferdin and Yvonne Craig via their web sites. The trick is to use a female name.
Saturday December 06 19:48:07 2003
Re: GH
>FFF wrote
>
> Ok Mark C, where on your page are those DiDCaps of GH?
> Cause i can't find them.


There right on the main page. You must be getting a cache page or something like that.
Mark C
http://community.webtv.net/didcaps/entrance
Saturday December 06 20:03:43 2003
Diana Rigg Photo Op.
If you go to the moviemarket.com site & search for Ref Number B72942, you can purchase an 8x10 photo of Dame Diana tied across the railroad tracks from the "Gravediggers" episode of "The Avengers." What I find *fascinating* is she's rather effectively tied down, & it's *NOT* the way she was tied in the actual episode. Imagine... Diana's tied down by the production's "bondage wrangler," then they invite in the press! I think I have a similar illustration in a book somewhere of the same pose with a flock of photographers in the frame. There's also another (it's quite common, in fact) of Diana tied as below & being rescued by Steed. :-)

"Ladies & Gentlemen of the press... Ms. Dianna Rigg!" The mind boggles!
http://www.moviemarket.com/library/photos/172/172942.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.moviemarket.com
Saturday December 06 20:34:36 2003
Re: Diana Rigg Photo Op.
Must be a casual Lynda Carter photo op

Saturday December 06 20:34:52 2003
Re: Diana Rigg Photo Op.
Must be a casual Lynda Carter photo op

http://www.pacificcoast.net/~worldwidefun/wonderwoman.jpg
Saturday December 06 20:35:53 2003
Re: A little help
Pat Powers wrote:

> I don't know that I agree with this. Generally speaking,
> writers, directors and actors are very much aware of the
> sexual aspects of everything that shows up in their
> programming. I would be very surprised if they were
> somehow unaware that scenes in which characters are bound and/or gagged have a sexual appeal for some audience members.

I disagree Pat. I think it depends on the individual, though it's possible that some writers are more aware than others.

Writers *are* in a "creative" industry, and creative people are known to have their own kinks, quirks and eccentricities. I don't doubt many have their own interests they try to work into their movies - such as an early black-and-white movie director's film in which a woman constantly lost her shoes while being chased (possible he had a foot fetish?). Or that one director who was commented on by an actress as "he always has people tied up in his movies". Or Quentin Tarentino's apparent (from what I read somewhere before) attempts to work foot fetish scenes into his movies.

But I think a large number of writers may simply see bondage as merely a plot device. In a drama, when someone is tied up in a non-aesthetically pleasing manner, in a scene filmed in gloomavision, could that possibly have been done by someone who either had a bondage fetish or was going for a "sex sells" approach to potential kink?

I think the only way to truly gauge if a certain director/writer has a particular kink is to look at their works. Mainly to look for a recurring theme and/or gratuity. If someone tends to make works which feature women tied up, and plenty of camera angles to focus on the fact that they're tied up, then it's likely they either have a bondage fetish or find it an exciting plot device - though some interest of some sort is there.
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Saturday December 06 20:40:05 2003
Re: A little help
>I would be very surprised if they were somehow unaware that >scenes in which characters are bound and/or gagged have a >sexual appeal for some audience members.

I have been on the set of a (low budget) shoot where the actress was tape gagged, and another where an actress was tied hands over head. If anyone was aware of the sexual aspect they didn't discuss it or make any indication of it; it's like any other sexual or provocative scene, you do it with as much sensativity as possible. There appeared to be (to me) more of a sensativity to comfort than to being too sexually suggestive, which I think is good news for us here.

But if you are speaking about the writing, or conceptual stage or the idea of a film that has a lot of bondage, then I'm sure it's discussed, a lot.
Saturday December 06 21:23:43 2003
Re: What about the girl tied up & gagged on a bed?
S wrote:

> Any favourites on a girl bound & gagged on a bed? Not
> the one whose hands are tied to the bed posts. She's the
> one lying on the bed & whose hands and feet are
> bound. I can think of Elizabeth Ashley in Mission
> Impossible & a few others? Ever thought why some of
> them don't get off the bed & try to untie themselves
> but wait to be found & rescued?

The scene that comes to mind is the lenghty one in the movie "Quake", with Erika Andersen. She plays a San Francisco attorney who is the object of obsession for a deranged stalker. He takes advantage of an earthquake to kidnap and imprison her in her apartment.
She is bound and gagged twice, the second time on a bed. She is tied spread-eagled to the bed, her wrists and ankles secured to the bedposts. She is cleave-gagged with a thick black cloth. The stalker admonishes her to not make any phone calls while he is away.
Unbeknownst to him, she has slipped a razor blade from the bathroom and hidden it in her clenched fist. She uses it to untie herself. Unfortunately, she hears him returning, so she must rapidly tie herself back up. She puts her gag back on, and ties herself to the bed just in time for his return; she even breathes a sigh of relief and smiles through her gag.

Hadji
Saturday December 06 21:41:36 2003
Ali & Jack self gagging scene
Well, folks, I finally got around to making a vidclip of the Ali Wentworth scene from Ali and Jack. So, who should I send it to from here? It's a quicktime file done in mpeg-4 encoding. I don't know how common the ability to play the file is, but it was the only setting I found to make it a reasonable size (4.4mb). As far as quality goes, it looks GREAT. If you're one of our beloved vidclip posters, and you think this format is fine, or you can convert it for more widespread use, let me know. Please email me personally, since this is likely to get into the technical mumbo jumbo that would be off-topic here.
Tom
frink49@bellsouth.net
Saturday December 06 23:41:34 2003
I guess it was appropriate after a fashion...
...for the subject of favorite chair-ties to have come up a few days ago, given that an actress who gave us a couple of the best from the 1940s-Ellen Drew ("Buck Benny Rides Again" from 1940, and "My Favorite Spy" a couple of years later)-passed away Wednesday at age 89.

It's a shame neither of these movies is broadcast often any more (I seem to recall that it sure took ME long enough to grab them both) but they're well worth the wait if you don't have them.
An Old Friend
Saturday December 06 23:44:47 2003
MISSING??
Did anything turn up tonite on 1-800-MISSING? A preview mentioned something about a missing female soldier or something but I forgot to watch it.

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