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Thursday June 14 00:11:08 2007
Re: Thoughts on Hostel II
Woody wrote:

> The bondage is probably as close as a flick you can see
> at Kersosates movie houses would match up with some of
> the House of Milan stuff from the seventies and eighties,
> or the Kink.com stuff of today. And that's not a bad
> things.

Not bad at all. I got a vibe from this movie when I saw the photo of the holding pen where they keep their victims, with the built-in leather straps at waist and feet (and the unseen ones holding the current occupant's hands behind their backs, as well as the fact that all the occupants were gagged. I thought, 'That looks like Internet bondage porn (the gold standard of bondage porn AFAIC) more than it looks like (typically feeble) mainstream movie stuff.'

I think as Internet bondage porn keeps getting better and mainstream movies keep getting more adventurous, we'll eventually see a point where they might well be almost indistinguishable from one another in some cases. And that's a good thing.

I haven't seen Hostel 2 yet but I'll keep an eye out for it.
Pat Powers
Thursday June 14 09:09:25 2007
nancy drew
hi i was woundering the new nacy drew flim opens up tommow in teh us i was woundering can someone tell me weather or not the flim has emma roberts as nancy kidnapped please
lance
lance.pomerance@btinternet.com
Thursday June 14 13:01:26 2007
Re: Duelo de Pasiones
Gordian Knot wrote:

> Tuesday ended with two women being taken into a house at
> gunpoint by two other women. Two captives are not young
> babes but one is attractive mature woman while the other
> is older woman.

Does anyone know if anything developed from this? FYI Duelo de Pasiones is on Univision at 6pm CST.
Viking
Thursday June 14 14:06:06 2007
Re: Thoughts on Hostel II

The scene that blew my sick little mind was the "Elizabeth Bathory" scene with Heather Matarazzo. You never actually got to see "full frontal", and it was too bloody to be erotic, but still, it was a naked woman bound and gagged. I repeat,FULL NUDITY with bondage, in a mainstream Hollywood film I was watching in a mainstream theatre.

The "Holding Pen" scene was a lot shorter than I was hoping for, but again, how many mainstream Hollywood films give you a whole room full of hot girls bound and gagged? It was like a throwback to the days of 1971's THE ABDUCTORS.
Kid Monster
Thursday June 14 15:02:17 2007
Re: nancy drew
lance wrote:

> weather or not the flim has emma roberts as nancy kidnapped please

Signs point to no. The book version has nothing resembling this.
The House of Le Bastard
Thursday June 14 15:06:33 2007
Re: Captivity
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> > Elisha Cuthbert has a guaranteed bondage scene
> (strapped
> > to a chair)
>
> Similiar to her scene in House of Wax, with a different
> type of gagging

I didn't see any gags, and I'm what I believe this forum calls a "gag snob" (love that name btw). Not that I won't watch a movie b/c of that. Looks awfully gruesome, and I don't mind that. This may compete w/ the brutality of Hostel.
Rocky
Thursday June 14 15:13:48 2007
GL -- waste of time
The chloroformed lady just woke up. No restraints.

Wow, the main characters on this show have not aged well.
The House of Le Bastard
Thursday June 14 15:29:21 2007
Re: Captivity
> > Similiar to her scene in House of Wax, with a
> different type of gagging

> I didn't see any gags,

'Gagging' refers more to vomit reflex
Thursday June 14 15:32:11 2007
Fantasy Bondage
Nice one with Gina Tognoni gagged and tied to a bed. Any other nice fantasies of DinD's. The soaps had a few of them, I think.
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EB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmiOhTrzbf4
Thursday June 14 16:21:05 2007
Re: Duelo de Pasiones
Viking wrote:

> Gordian Knot wrote:
>
> > Tuesday ended with two women being taken into a
> house at
> > gunpoint by two other women.
> Does anyone know if anything developed from this? FYI
> Duelo de Pasiones is on Univision at 6pm CST.

The three were setting in chairs and had their feet and hands bound. The duo set the shed on fire as the three struggle to get free. The guy takes the younger woman out of the shed while the other remained inside. She was still trying to until her feet. She then disappears and the shed blows up. We then see the woman that was left lying blood outside, but the others believe she was still inside.

Would have mentioned it last night, but we had some severe weather and lightning doesn't get along with my modem.
civil
Thursday June 14 16:28:05 2007
Re: Fantasy Bondage
> Nice one with Gina Tognoni gagged and tied to a bed.

Too bad she didn't have more scenes in her career (at least it's still ongoing)
Thursday June 14 16:38:42 2007
Re: GL -- waste of time
The House of Le Bastard wrote:

> The chloroformed lady just woke up. No restraints.

Thanks for keeping us updated L.B.
Snowcat
Thursday June 14 16:46:50 2007
Re: nancy drew
From a review:

"Fans will resent the spastic storyline that bears little resemblance to any of the formulaic books. It seems the farthest thing from rocket science for a skilled screenwriter to take any one of the nearly 200 Nancy Drew books and adapt it for modern film audiences."
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Thursday June 14 17:42:43 2007
New Update and New DVD #18
Ciao!

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Thursday June 14 19:14:00 2007
Re: Hardy Boys /Nancy Drew
(unsigned poster) wrote:
>> Diane Markoff is the brunette on the left.

Ok thanks. Sometimes it seems even the best multiple scenes could've been even better with the addition of yet another DiD. In this case, all right, Valerie Bertinelli was the villainess (and got bound if not gagged in other roles) so she wouldn't have been slated for bondage here. But what about cute blonde Elissa Leeds, who also appeared in the episode? She turned out to be just sort of a throwaway "red herring," neither villain nor victim. Too bad a kidnapping for her wasn't in the story (oh well, she did get extensively tied up even if not full treatment in LEGEND OF THE GOLDEN GUN).

Anthony
Thursday June 14 19:38:41 2007
"The Girl Next Door"
There is apparently a movie called "The Girl Next Door" with bound and gagged scenes involving an actress named Blythe Auffarth. Anyone know anything about this film?
TC
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Thursday June 14 19:48:41 2007
Nancy Drew
Sounds like A.O. Scott of the New York Times should've written the adaptation:

The great appeal of the Nancy Drew books (the first was published in 1930), as of any mystery-novel series, lies not in the static, predictable characters but in the intricate, well-carpentered plots. What keeps the readers’ eyes on the page is the chance to look over the detective’s shoulder as she puzzles over clues, and (emphasis) to feel the tingle of apprehension when her sleuthing begins to get her in trouble (end emphasis).

The greatest failure of “Nancy Drew” is that it denies viewers these pleasures, sacrificing the sturdy mechanics of a decent thriller in order to pursue tired jokes and second-hand atmospherics. At first the set-up seems promising.
ss
Thursday June 14 21:28:52 2007
The Cinematic Curse of Nancy Drew
Ya know, when you think about it, there may very well be something *hinky* going on with the Nancy Drew franchise. Nearly a century of written mysteries with *lots* of DiD-scenes for Nancy and her chums... but as soon things shift to the silver screen or the idiot box... nothin'.

The Bonita Granville movies———nothin'!

The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries———nothin'!

The 1996 Tracy Ryan {Schwing!} TV series———nothin'! (dammit!!)

The 2002 Maggie Lawson TV movie———nothin'!

And now the 2007 Emma Roberts movie is a tween comedy!

Anyone want to take bets on the 2009 sequel? Anyone? I thought not.

I don't adhere to the so-called "No Gag Clause" theory, *or* the "Feminism Gone Wild" theory. The most probable explanation is... EVIL SPIRITS. I expect Hellboy and a Bureau of Paranormal Research and Defense strike team to descend on Hollywood at any moment. :-D
http://www.nancydrewsleuth.com/tracynancy.jpg
Van
vvvan@earthlink.net
http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/
Thursday June 14 22:43:30 2007
Re: Nancy Drew
Found this review:
http://www.cinematical.com/2007/06/13/review-nancy-drew

Here's an excerpt:
"As for the plot of the mystery itself, well, the Nancy Drew series was never concerned much with realistic plots. The basic formula is to put a mystery in front of the teen detective, put her in a little peril (but never too much -- Nancy never gets seriously hurt, for all the times she's been kidnapped by thugs and locked in trunks and basements and hidden passageways), and then have her resourcefully solve the mystery and get herself out of trouble. That's pretty much the formula director Andrew Fleming and co-writer Tiffany Paulsen stick with, and it works here (at least for the film's target audience) largely because of Roberts' winning charm."

Pleeeeeeeeeeease let these kidnappers have some rope and duct tape in hand!
Thursday June 14 22:55:52 2007
Re: The Cinematic Curse of Nancy Drew
Van wrote:

> Ya know, when you think about it, there may very well be
> something *hinky* going on with the Nancy Drew franchise.
> Nearly a century of written mysteries with *lots* of
> DiD-scenes for Nancy and her chums... but as soon things
> shift to the silver screen or the idiot box... nothin'.

stuff elided here

> I don't adhere to the so-called "No Gag Clause"
> theory, *or* the "Feminism Gone Wild" theory.
> The most probable explanation is... EVIL SPIRITS. I
> expect Hellboy and a Bureau of Paranormal Research and
> Defense strike team to descend on Hollywood at any
> moment. :-D

While I do not subscribe to any "No Gag Clause" or "Feminism Gone Wild" theories, I think it's worth noting that even those who do not share our tastes feel that the Nancy Drew series was "whitewashed" in the 50s to remove some of the casually racist terms and descriptions that were prevalent in white American culture back in the 30s when Nancy Drew first appeared. I believe they also toned down the relationship between Nancy and her best friend, the tomboyish, almost mannish and definitely mannishly yclept George, to avoid any hint of lesbianism.

It does not strike me as at all unlikely that when they cleaned up the one form of potentially "objectionable" content, they cleaned up the bondage as well, and that whole "cleaning up" mindset has extended to the movies and TV series as well.

Remember, once is incidence. Twice is coincidence. And three times in enemy action! So if every third movie or TV show DOESN'T contain bondage, somebody is up to something, and somebody's gonna have to pay!
Pat Powers

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