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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Saturday September 04 00:08:53 2004 Re: Best mmmmphing |
| Brian R wrote:
> Mad Dan wrote: > > > With "mmmph" generally accepted (if > inaccurate > > in most cases) as the sound made by a gagged person, > I > > suppose it must remain. I wouldn't care to try to > coin > > any other generic term! > > For DB entries, I usually just say something like > "muffled cries". > > Not very exciting, but easier to search on. There's no > set spelling for mmmmph. Ya know, after all these years in the tying up women biz, and after all the years, which continue, of being a collector of mainstream scenes, you would think I'd stop being surprised. But, hell, I guess that the surprises are half the fun. For some reason, somebody doing searches for bondage scenes under the spelling of the gag noises just made me grin, cuz I sure would not have thought it would get that refined. Not a thing wrong with it, I just wouldn't have thought of that one. Now I will. Still, if I may, because I make bondage movies and am an avowed gag lover.. yes, though it's not a total constant, I am of the "if she ain't gagged she ain't in bondage" camp. And when it comes to the noises that bound and gagged cuties make, I have a definite, and at least professionally backed up idea of what constitutes what. Mmmphing.. however you spell it.. and yes, I call it that to my models when I am describing the sounds I want them to make... are any pretty much unintelligible sounds..ie: noises, not words.. that come from the models mouth through her gag. Gag talking is what makes it for the other camp, those that likes to hear the heroine saying intelligble words, for example, such things as "help me" or "let me go" or "don't hurt me" through their gag. Doesn't much matter whether you can understand it well or not. If they are trying to speak understandable words or sentenences, its gag talk. If they are just making screams, noises and moans through their gag, it is Mmmphing. And yes, no matter how many "M"'s you have in your spelling, if you can't understand a word, Mmmphing is what they are doing. Lot of sound, or lots of gag talk would pretty much describe and diferentiate any scene without silent damsels. Mmmphing is, I believe, the far more common sounds you will find in both mainstream and commercial bondage scenes. And my guess is, that like in my movies, whoever is directing the film tells the damsel to do it that way. I think the more instinctive, or natural sound in a desperate peril would be for the bound girl to try and call for help. It is what you would do if it was a real life situation. Not sure if this is the thinking behind it, but gag talk is probably more real life realistic, if the lady was actually in this situation. Mmmphing is making the situation of the gagged and helpless to speak female more realistic to the viewers. It's why she can't warn the hero of the ambush he is walking into because of that piece of cloth in her mouth. And for many of us, suspension of belief is what movies are all about. Bottom line is we each like what we like for whatever reason, and every one of those reason's is okay! In fact, its terrific! A couple of sidenotes. My personal preference is Mmmphing. For fantasy reasons, it makes the gag seem more effective or tighter to me. If she is making easily understandable words behind the gag, the effectiveness, in fantasy only, of the gag is reduced to me. Hey, its only a half inch thick strip of cloth, but all she can do is moan behind it while the hero walks by 5 feet away and doesn't hear her calling for help. Those who like gag talk have their reasons, which I'm sure they can explain to us as to why they prefer their words to our Mmmphh's. And at the risk of dissolusioning you all.. I have footage of one of my girl next door models, bound in a harness ball gag.. that's about 100 on the effectiveness scale compared to maybe 10's for our beloved cleave or tape gags.. who suddenly got a giggle and broke out, on film, into the Star Spangled Banner with a two inch ballgag in her mouth. And you could understand every word. And yes, she was giggling and had a ball..heh.. so to speak! So guys, fantasy is a great thing, and we each like what we like, and most of us have a reason why our particular liking is better. My personal take is bondage scenes on women are just like women themselves. They are ALL good.. just some are better than others. And if more than 50% of this makes any sense at all, I done good, LOL, and am gonna have another beer irregardless. |
| David Knight |
| http://www.DavidKnightBondage.com |
| Saturday September 04 00:40:18 2004 The Riverman |
| Just caught a preview for a made-for-TV movie based upon the search for The Green River Killer. He was the nut-job that preyed on prostitutes in the Pacific Northwest for over 10 years and was finally caught recently. Part of his M.O. involved binding and gagging his victims.
During the preview, it showed a man carrying a woman OTS. Couldn't tell if she was gagged because the sun was behind them, but it certainly appeared her arms were bound behind her back. She appeared to be conscious as well because her head was partially lifted up. The movie is called "The Riverman" and airs on A&E Monday at 5 P.M. Pacific Time. |
| MadFish |
| Saturday September 04 00:44:07 2004 Arthur's Quest |
| This movie is up for sale at the local CD Warehouse. I was wondering if the scene with Alexandra Paul is worth buying the movie? The database description doesn't state the scene length or how well the damsel struggles. Is it worth the four bucks? |
| GagAllWomen |
| Saturday September 04 00:57:15 2004 Re: Arthur's Quest |
| GagAllWomen wrote:
> This movie is up for sale at the local CD Warehouse. I > was wondering if the scene with Alexandra Paul is worth > buying the movie? The database description doesn't state > the scene length or how well the damsel struggles. Is it > worth the four bucks? Since it would cost more than $4 to rent the darn thing, I'd say it's worth it if you really like Alexandra Paul. Decent scene with nice closeups. Only drawback was the atrocious waitrees outfit Alexandra had on. |
| Saturday September 04 01:30:43 2004 Re: Best mmmmphing |
| David Knight wrote:
> you would think I'd stop > being surprised. > For some reason, somebody doing searches for bondage > scenes under the spelling of the gag noises just made me > grin Actually, this isn't as wild as some of the requests we get. |
| Jay L |
| Saturday September 04 06:30:05 2004 Best mmmmphing |
| > Mmmphing is making the situation of the gagged and helpless to speak female more realistic to the viewers. It's why she can't warn the hero of the ambush he is walking into because of that piece of cloth in her mouth.
And for many of us, suspension of belief is what movies are all about. > My personal take is bondage scenes on women are just like women themselves. They are ALL good.. just some are better than others. And if more than 50% of this makes any sense at all, I done good, LOL ---- Thank you for a well-thought out post. I also fall into the "All mainstream bondage scenes are good -- Some are just better than others" camp. Mainstream bondage isn't as "effective" or as focused as commercial bondage -- and there's little reason it should be. I "expect" the bonds & gags depicted on mainstream to require a similar amount of Suspension-of-disbelief as any other element of TV and movies -- Otherwise, viewers should also come to expect that soap operas will cast mostly plain-looking men & women, and there'd be TV series based on the lives of accountants and economists. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday September 04 08:51:01 2004 Re: Best mmmmphing |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> Mainstream bondage isn't as "effective" or as > focused as commercial bondage That's an untrue generalisation. Some mainstream bondage is more effective than some commercial bondage. And vice versa. |
| Saturday September 04 10:29:24 2004 UK caps |
| Some nice caps from a UK cable/satellite show here in the UK, one of those where you can text in your requests to the girls.
Just go to the General Discussion forum, and look for the topic entitled "Dionne on Live XXX". I may just have to start watching this show! |
| Martin |
| http://www.robs-damsels.com/menu.php |
| Saturday September 04 10:35:30 2004 Re: Best mmmmphing |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Kinky-napper wrote: > > > Mainstream bondage isn't as "effective" or > as > > focused as commercial bondage > > That's an untrue generalisation. > Thanks for the props Kinky, but its not why I'm writing this.. Anytime you see any mainstream, ie: tv or movie bondage that is better done,or more focused on bondage than some commercially made bondage, you have found some really bad commercial bondage. It can happen, you could go looking for it, but I think number one you are picking nits, and number two, you'd have to compare the very best of one (tight ropes and gags and focus wise) with pretty much the "I ain't got a clue what I'm doing" worst of the other. > Some mainstream bondage is more effective than some > commercial bondage. Since you called into play Kinkys generalization, then I have to generally, totally disagree with yours. Again, you might find and instance or two to compare, but geez, is that worth arguing with Kinkys general statement about? Generally, commercial bondage is going to be tighter tied, tighter gagged and more focused on the girls bondage than any tv show or mainstream movie you will find. I, and probably Kinky would be thrilled to debate this with your examples that say otherwise. I could be wrong. Please show me. |
| David Knight |
| http://www.DavidKnightBondage.com |
| Saturday September 04 11:22:09 2004 Re: Best mmmmphing |
| David Knight wrote:
> I, and probably Kinky would be thrilled to debate this > with your examples that say otherwise. Let's not. Commercial scenes are off-topic and I think both sides have said what they need to. |
| The Moderator |
| Saturday September 04 11:22:51 2004 Slightly off topic |
| Hello, Moderator.
Haven't been around for a bit (almost 7 months), checked out the page, and noticed AG was gone. I don't mean to post off topic, just caught me by surprise. Wha' hoppen'? |
| Just Wonderin' |
| Saturday September 04 14:26:46 2004 The Bill vidcaps??? |
| Hi. Does anyone have vidcaps of the September 1/04 episode of The Bill? I have looked but cant find any. :( |
| don1701 |
| Saturday September 04 15:04:35 2004 crappy ATWT scene |
| I just wanted to say how lame that Chris-Emily scene was.
I didn't watch it that closely, but was there even any rope visible? That sucked. |
| gasface |
| Saturday September 04 15:57:30 2004 mmphing and gag talk |
| I prefer gag talk. I love it when the damsel actually talks through her gag! I love to hear the muffled words. It's more realalistic. If two women were bound and gagged together they would do the best they could to talk to each other. They might not be able to understand eveything the other one was saying but they would still try. Especialy if cleave gags were used. Duct tape would be harder to speak through,but they would still try. Not just look at each other and go mmmphhff!!! |
| Ron |
| Saturday September 04 16:03:24 2004 Re: mmphing and gag talk |
| Ron wrote:
> I prefer gag talk. I swear to God, I once carried on a conversation with one of my actresses while she was tapegagged--and understand every word she said! |
| Todd 3-D |
| todd3d@yahoo.com |
| http://anuvids.com/xmain/specials/prodid.html |
| Saturday September 04 16:08:14 2004 Re: Slightly off topic |
| Just Wonderin' wrote:
> Hello, Moderator. > > Haven't been around for a bit (almost 7 months), checked > out the page, and noticed AG was gone. I don't mean to > post off topic, just caught me by surprise. Wha' hoppen'? As was posted at the time: After much consideration, I have decided to end the forum known as Anything Goes. From now on, off-topic messages will be moved to a replacement page called The Bulletin Board, but there will be no way to reply to those messages or post new ones. The reasons are several, but the main one was that it was no longer serving a useful purpose to me. AG had been an increasingly troublesome load on the file storage and the bandwidth for this site. That would have been ok if it were a wide-ranging forum with a variety of topics discussed. However, it had become almost completely one-dimensional in nature. The posts there had become boringly repetitious. Another reason is that I gave several suggestions on how that forum could be used to discuss off-topic subjects using the Search feature and some keywords in message titles. With the exception of one person, that was completely ignored by the users of this forum. That person knows who he is and that I appreciate his efforts and support. Before the people here start slapping themselves on the back in self-congratulation, understand that you have lost the only opportunity there will ever be to have a forum for discussing other topics on this site. This decision is final. There will be no discussion, pro or con, on this page. Any commentary will be deleted and I may take other actions if I feel the need. I am unhappy about this situation, but my mind is made up. |
| The Moderator |
| Saturday September 04 18:00:31 2004 Gag talk |
| > If two women were bound and gagged
together they would do the best they could to talk to each other. They might not be able to understand eveything the other one was saying but they would still try. Especialy if cleave gags were used. Duct tape would be harder to speak through, but they would still try. Not just look at each other and go mmmphhff!!! ---- One good example of recent vintage is 1992's "With Murder in Mind" (aka "With Savage Intent") with Elizabeth Montgomery and Mary Ann Hagen. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday September 04 19:09:53 2004 From yesterdays UK paper |
| Check the link I've put in the homepage part for comic book bondage |
| Snoozy |
| http://www.thesun.co.uk/popupWindow/0,,2003420000-2004410574,00.html |
| Saturday September 04 19:46:19 2004 Re: Gag talk |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> > If two women were bound and gagged > together they would do the best they could to talk to > each other. They might not be able to understand > eveything the other one was saying but they would still > try. Especialy if cleave gags were used. > ---- > One good example of recent vintage is 1992's "With > Murder in Mind" Another of my favorites in this regard is Partners In Crime with Loni and Lynda. I wish they could have gotten B&G'd together like that every other episode, instead of just once. We really got cheated by that series, but at least we got one great and memorable scene. |
| Tim Smith |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| Saturday September 04 21:03:47 2004 Re: Passions |
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> That's a hair lip cover gag, by the way. > > And yes, it does look stupid. Whoever heard of gagging > someone by covering ABOVE the mouth ? I've seen several of those in shows & movies...they don't appeal to me at all & I agree, they look really stupid. Besides the "Corky & White Shadow" one, if I recall, an episode of that old show "Adderly" has a gal tied & "above-the-lip" gagged, being menaced by a tiger(!). By the way, if anyone else has that scene & knows the ID of the actress let me know...I have it listed in my collection as "unknown actress") Also, on "All My Children", in the episode from 10 or so years ago where Rosa Nevin (Cecily) was tied & gagged back to back with Nico, after awhile her OTM gag started to creep up onto her upper lip, so far that her gag-talk was allowing her lower lip to protrude from under the gag. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Saturday September 04 21:16:16 2004 bondage bloopers |
| While on the subject of mistakes, note how in the old 1935 "Bride of Frankenstein", in the scene where Valerie Hobson is tied with all the criss-crossing rope in the cave & allowed to talk to her husband on the phone, her left hand (both hands were behind her & presummably tied) comes flying out for just a second as she is being hand-gagged during the phone conversation.
Also, I wonder if it was an unplanned mistake when Cassandra Delany was cleave gagged & tied onto the hood of the truck in the Australian "Fair Game" and the ends of the gag come totally free & are just hanging from the sides of her mouth & the center clenched between her teeth. I never have figured out if the ends had been tied (very loosely, "Hollywood-style") & came free & they never bothered to re-do the scene, or if it was supposed to be just a version of the "stuff gag", just a portion of the cloth jammed into her mouth & never tied. But it DOES look a bit silly. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Saturday September 04 21:33:29 2004 Re: Gag talk |
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> > Another of my favorites in this regard is Partners In > Crime with Loni and Lynda. I wish they could have gotten > B&G'd together like that every other episode, instead > of just once. We really got cheated by that series, but > at least we got one great and memorable scene. Cheated? The show was on, for like, half a season, and produced an excellent scene with both leads. Charlies Angels was on for a million years and produced one excellent scene with one of the leads. Why complain? |
| ss |
| Saturday September 04 21:52:23 2004 Re: Gag talk |
| ss wrote:
> > > > > Another of my favorites in this regard is Partners > In > > Crime with Loni and Lynda. I wish they could have > gotten > > B&G'd together like that every other episode, > instead > > of just once. We really got cheated by that series, > but > > at least we got one great and memorable scene. > > Cheated? The show was on, for like, half a season, and > produced an excellent scene with both leads. Charlies > Angels was on for a million years and produced one > excellent scene with one of the leads. Why complain? I didn't realize the series only lasted one season. In fact, I remember endouring a lot of shows before we finally got that scene, but hey, it's only been 20 years since it aired. Sorry to complain. |
| Tim Smith |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| Saturday September 04 22:40:07 2004 Re: bondage bloopers |
| > "Fair Game"
> and the ends of the gag come totally free & are just > hanging from the sides of her mouth & the center > clenched between her teeth. I never have figured out if > the ends had been tied (very loosely, > "Hollywood-style") & came free & they > never bothered to re-do the scene, or if it was supposed > to be just a version of the "stuff gag", just a > portion of the cloth jammed into her mouth & never tied. But it DOES look a bit silly. In the Jet Li film Once Upon A Time In China one of the many girls bound and gagged at the end of the film has her gag come loose. On the left side it stays wrapped around her head but on the right side it's hanging straight down from the corner of her mouth.It's hard to beleive that nobody caught that before the finished print was made and even harder to believe that a feature film with two of thier biggest stars of the time didn't have the budget to reshoot that little bit of footage. |
| Mark C |
| Saturday September 04 23:05:53 2004 I understand your irritation, Smiley |
| I've heard you can't even bear listening to Cole Porter songs from a certain popular musical of the same name :) |
| C |
| Saturday September 04 23:10:22 2004 Re: Gag talk |
| Tim Smith wrote:
> Another of my favorites in this regard is Partners In > Crime with Loni and Lynda. I wish they could have gotten > B&G'd together like that every other episode, instead > of just once. We really got cheated by that series, but > at least we got one great and memorable scene. Not a bad scene, but they looked way older than they were at the time due to those horrible librarian hairstyles. |
| C |
| Saturday September 04 23:15:36 2004 Re: bondage bloopers |
| Mark C wrote:
> In the Jet Li film Once Upon A Time In China one of the > many girls bound and gagged at the end of the film has > her gag come loose. On the left side it stays wrapped > around her head but on the right side it's hanging > straight down from the corner of her mouth. The actress should have indicated it had come loose, but may've not wanted to cause a fuss, especially if it had been a long day for all. A lot of the gags were rather loosely tied in that scene, I noticed. Some had to bite down to stop them falling out of their mouth. |
| C |
| Saturday September 04 23:18:16 2004 Gag Talk Redux |
| Several examples at the homepage link.
It is from a Yahoo Group, so you will have to be a member and signed in to hear them :-( |
| Jacot |
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/trussedupandsilenced/files/Sounds%20of%20Bondage/ |
| Saturday September 04 23:34:17 2004 Re: Demonlover |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> I'd say that's a fair amount of bondage for a mainstream > film, though I will grant that you could reasonably > expect more from a film about a firm that maintains a > BDSM website and also is buying 3D hentai from a Japanese > firm. Yea, I suppose this was probably part of my disappointment after all. I don't want to argue because I've been accused of trolling before, I just thought that the bondage was all either blink you missed it, or too kinky for my tastes. It was a series of good but very short scenes spread out across two nearly unbearable hours. What constitutes a 'scene' to me is at one or a few coherent shots of a bound damsel. Quick flashes are debatable. On the other hand that is not a defined element of discussion here, and I can also see how alot of people would be very happy with demonlover bondagewise. I suppose I am just not hardcore enough to appreciate hoods and latex (no offense meant to anyone). P.S. thanks Pat for the definition, I thought I would just get made fun of. |
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