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| Thursday December 20 00:03:35 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Jay L wrote: > Pat Powers wrote: > ***** I don't think the Ginger movies themselves were all > that far under the radar back in the early 70s -- people > knew they had a lot of bondage appeal, but people weren't > that sensitive to bondage back then. It was just another > sex thing, and they liked sex things. ***** > Huh? Back in the 70s, there were a lot of baby boomers who liked sex generally. Free love and all that. They were experimenting with sex in all sorts of ways, some of them took bondage as just another form of sex, and sex was good. Therefore ... And I agree with you, the 70s were different things in different media in the U.S. As you noted, comic book covers for Conan got wild, with naked or half-naked cuties in chains adorning some of them. And the movies were going great guns, with all three of the Ginger movies (1970-1973) and the Story of O (1975, thought it was a French production and probably didn't make it to the US until 1976) and Deep Throat (1977). You can hardly call that heavily censored. As far as bondage goes, the early 70s was the heyday of the "roughies" as they were called, hardcore or softcore films depicting assault, rape and bound sex (I wouldn't call it sexual bondage, as I tend to associate that with consensual activities, which these generally weren't). Paolo's "Hot Spur" caps show an example, as do the Ginger movies, though it was a lot slicker than most roughies. But TV was still under the bootheel of the network censors. For all practical purposes, for most of the 70s, there were no cable TV networks. Just the three biggie TV networks and maybe HBO. TV operated under the "public airwaves" theory, which for some reason meant it could be censored. I guess for me the best example of that would be that in 1970, Barbara Eden's harem girl costume for her role in "I Dream of Jeannie" was required by censors to keep her navel covered. It was about the most concealing harem girl outfit ever, sort of the thing a very shy harem girl would wear to keep the sultan from picking her on a Saturday night. Contrast that with all the nude bondage sex in the Ginger movies and the explicit stuff in Deep Throat, and you'll see that network TV, which is about the only kind of TV there was back then, was WAAAAAY more censored than movies, comics or books. It was a whole different ball game. > You & me, yeah. The people that would go to Ginger > movies, yeah. What you meant, correct? IIRC the Ginger movies did a lot of business in drive ins where they were undoubtedly make-out movies. They wouldn't have been confined to the bondage niche. Back in the 70s, a lot of things passed for mainstream that aren't now. Them ovies had a lot of sorting out to do. |
| Pat Powers |
| Thursday December 20 01:32:58 2007 Re: Border Blues vs. Arab Mickey Mouse |
| Jay L wrote: > After quick sort of review, > the honour of lamest tie job still goes to Arab Mickey > Mouse! Uh... "Arab Mickey Mouse"? I'm drawing a complete blank. |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Thursday December 20 01:34:42 2007 Re: The Crossdresser One? |
========================= Record number: 13115 Title: Die Schatzinsel (2007) Medium: TV Movie Actress: Diane Siemons-Willems Description: This strange version of the "Treasure Island" adds a female perspective. Fortunately so, there are quite some nice tie up situations with thath would-be pirate: In the first part, she is tied with her hands above her head to be whipped (which doesn't happen) In the second part, she spends quite some time with her hands tied behind. Later she is suspended with spread arms and some nut stuffs her mouth with lettuce. =================================================== Again, confused with the language barrier. Just want to clip this for Brian & the boys! arrgghh! ;) "Teil 1" - So she's on the boat dressed like a boy? The pirates were on a boat, got off on an island that had some Rambo movie type stuff going on, then back on the boat "Teil 2" ***** In the second part, she spends quite some time with her hands tied behind. ***** Okay, we got (a guy?) climbing up the crow's nest chased by a guy I'll dub "Mr Tattoo-head". Whilst Mr Tattoo-head is climbing, there a Black Swan like scene going on in the cabin. I thought it a guy, or putz, or what? Mr Tattoo-head gets shot, guy (shooter) climbs down and unties person in cabin, then goes looking for small boat and a gal that looks like Diane Siemons-Willems shows up and has a gun on the guy. They jump in the water then he's a guy scene/putz whatever? This would all make sense if I knew the language, but I don't. So any volunteer to help make the clip? Thanks |
| Jay L |
| Thursday December 20 02:26:27 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > Back in the 70s, there were a lot of baby boomers who > liked sex generally. Free love and all that. They were > experimenting with sex in all sorts of ways "Baby Boomer" bah, prefer good ol' "Me Generation: That Never Did Without & No Discipline" ;) Everybody liked sex and experimented, but the "Me-Boomer" are only getting brave and admitting to it "now", not then. Ginger & the Roughies Adults Only in the 70's Drivin, same as that post-war stag stuff. No different. I say this as had a real cool teacher in Business class around 79 that had a Marketing guy in, letting us ask what we want and he said the 70's one of the most conservative times and they market to that. Pick your Pofz forum if you want to continue that.. Btw: As a guy that liked to watch porn, bondage scenes, etc, that was a great day watching that marketer point out how conservative they were. Got quite heated, but it needed to be said. ;) |
| Jay L |
| Thursday December 20 02:26:51 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: >IIRC, the only > people in bondage in Howard's actual story were guys, > though. Nope. Red Nails is the story where the pirate Valeria is bound and flogged by the witch Tascela. |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.jebsadventurebound.net |
| Thursday December 20 02:27:40 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| "female" pirate Valeria, I should clarify. |
| Jeb |
| Thursday December 20 02:31:40 2007 Re: Border Blues vs. Arab Mickey Mouse |
| Van wrote: > Uh... "Arab Mickey Mouse"? I'm drawing a > complete blank. I'll see if I can dig it up for you. Just don't be drinking anything when you watch, or end up on your monitor. The Director/Writers far-out cats. ;) |
| Jay L |
| Thursday December 20 04:20:04 2007 Scenes in any of the Bloodfist movies? |
| The database has nothing, but I could've sworn someone mentioned a while back there being a scene in at least one of the films. I ask because the local CD Warehouse has most of them for sale for cheap. |
| Thursday December 20 07:16:11 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Jeb wrote: > Pat Powers wrote: > Nope. Red Nails is the story where the pirate Valeria is > bound and flogged by the witch Tascela. > http://www.jebsadventurebound.net Well, you're right, although the online summary I read indicated that there was a lengthy and extensive whipping scene of a servant who attempted to poison Valeria. Or someone. I mostly remember the dinosaur and the the fighting in the halls of the mostly empty city. Looks like they're going to do an animated Red Nails feature film (see homepage link). |
| Pat Powers |
| http://www.conanrednails.com/ |
| Thursday December 20 08:40:42 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > Looks like they're going to do an animated Red Nails > feature film (see homepage link). Yeah, it's been in the works for a couple of years, and every time I give up on it ever happening, some new bit of news or some new artwork pops up. But as long as they leave in the Valeria-Tascela scene, I can wait. |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.jebsadventurebound.net |
| Thursday December 20 13:29:33 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Jay L wrote: > "Me-Boomer" are only getting brave and admitting to it "now", not then. They're not brave now either, it's still very underground. I have friends in the art scene in NYC and that's the only place it comes out in any sophisticated sense (we are not interested in porn), and even then it's discussed as art only and if it gets personal it's dicey and hushed and a little "weird". In the 70's it was more open but only because most people were cluless and didn't understand it so they didn't rail against it so much, you were "far out" then, now you are "creepy". You could say to someone, a girlfriend for instance, let's try this and it would be a "creative experiment', you can't do that now, people are much more informed and not in a a good way (they are fearful). Romantic, or adventurous DID stuff in media, like we (most of us) like here, is still very hidden and personal and will be so for a long time. It's a chore to put it in art in it's pure form (meaning sexual and liberated) and it's a drag trying to disguise it; it never works. My friends and collegues are either total freaks and don't care what anyone thinks of them or they completely hide their erotic fantasies and keep it out of their art. There doesn't appear to be a (easy) middle ground the likes of which this thread is exploring. |
| Thursday December 20 13:50:04 2007 Re: Rachel Bilson on Chuck tonight. |
| > Anybody expecting anything to happen? I'd even be > satisfied with a decent handgagged. She's never gotten > the treatment yet Might get the treatment in the film 'Jumper', due out in theatres soon |
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| Thursday December 20 14:05:17 2007 Re: Rachel Bilson on Chuck tonight. |
| > Might get the treatment in the film 'Jumper', due out in > theatres soon Also stars Diane Lane, who may get the treatment in the upcoming candyass-filled film 'Untraceable' |
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| Thursday December 20 14:28:23 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| >(I have friends in the art scene in NYC and > that's the only place it comes out in any sophisticated > sense (we are not interested in porn), and even then it's > discussed as art only and if it gets personal it's dicey > and hushed and a little "weird". > In the 70's it was more open but only because most people > were cluless and didn't understand it so they didn't rail > against it so much, you were "far out" then, > now you are "creepy". You could say to > someone, a girlfriend for instance, let's try this and it > would be a "creative experiment', you can't do that > now, people are much more informed and not in a a good > way (they are fearful). My girlfriend told me there's a line in Art School Confidential, where someone is describing the cliches you meet in art school: 'there's the guy who only draws women in bondage'. Who in the world are you dating, dude? Lots of women are into bondage. Its never been more open than it is now. Any time they have a little thing on morning talk shows where they talk about how to spice up your marriage, they get out the furry handcuffs. Eva Longoria goes on about how much she likes it. Hell, didn't Meredith Viera go on about it? In the late seventies, there was a big antiporn movement that claimed S&M was 'violence against women'. That movement has pretty much collapsed. Now tying up your partner is one of the lesat weird things you can do together. |
| ss |
| Thursday December 20 15:19:54 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Jay L wrote: > > "Me-Boomer" are only getting brave and > admitting to it "now", not then. **** They're not brave now either, it's still very underground. ****** Okay, just quick - may Pofz this if Pat Powers wants to go? ;) What I more on about, we had a late 70's early 80's club band called Rough Trade here featuring Carol Pope. Her "alternative" as described, leather outfits, lyrics, etc would get her into trouble all the time. CBC interview shows, Carol would come on, lose the leather in favour of a pink dress. Maneuvering to keep the conversation on her a typical gal from Scarborough and away from her SM & lesbian lyrics. Quite the stickhandler, it worked. Changed "let's see the freak" to "she actually appears normal" by the end of the interview. It humourous ;) I read a Kinkynapper post over on Pofz, about a rock star gal that obviously out of song ideas and suddenly a "bondage interest" comes out of nowhere. A lesbian fling can't be far behind. ;) Though I doubt the rock star's "interest", sort of see it as braver due to the time. That wouldn't have been mentioned in 79 |
| Jay L |
| Thursday December 20 15:27:17 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| ss wrote: > Now tying up your > partner is one of the lesat weird things you can do together. Wasn't talking about real life and girlfriends, I was talking about how hard it is to do it well in mainstream media (because people are still uptight about it). |
| Thursday December 20 15:30:20 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Jay L wrote: > we had a late 70's early 80's club band called Rough > Trade here featuring Carol Pope. Crazy, I remember them, and her, I thought she was hot in a dangerous kind of way; never saw them live but they were cool. |
| Thursday December 20 15:49:34 2007 Re: Alexandra Paul double feature |
| Tapemaster wrote: > Lifetime Movie Network (LMN) is showing 2 movies with > bound-and-gagged scenes for Alexandra Paul tonight and > tomorrow. Was really excited until I realized my cable company has Lifetime but not Lifetime movie Network. Sigh. |
| Thursday December 20 16:00:28 2007 Re: Best Scenes Ruined By a Putz |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Pretty well every 50's Lois Lane scene with that useless > Jimmy Olsen character > "I'm gonna be a really big leading-man star when > this TV series is over' Well in his defence he did get complimented by Sir Laurence Olivier if I remember correctly for his portrayal of Jimmy. |
| Thursday December 20 16:53:09 2007 Re: Phyllis Coates |
| I have been crazy about the lovely Phyllis Coates ever since viewing "Claw Monsters", the TV-movie version of "Panther Girl of the Kongo", way back in 1971, when I was experiencing the first stirrings of puberty. Man, did those knockout scenes send my hormones spiralling into orbit! Ah, the memories... I even named my sexy black superheroine featured at my "Deviant Art" gallery after her character's nickname/alter ego in the movie, since "Phyllis Coates as Panther Girl" played a major role in the development of my "superheroine-in-peril" fetish. (My KO obsession predominates over my bondage fetish, but not by much!) By the way,how skimpy/revealing were the outfits Ms. Coates wore as Lois Lane? I only have a very vague recollection of the 1950s Superman show! (Was not alive when it originally aired, but I did catch some repeats in my childhood.) |
| gytalf2000 |
| davidhughett@hotmail.com |
| http://gytalf2000.deviantart.com/ |
| Thursday December 20 17:05:43 2007 Re: Best Scenes Ruined By a Putz |
| > Pretty well every 50's Lois Lane scene with that > useless Jimmy Olsen character Good thing Teri Hatcher's B&G scenes as Lois Lane were all solos |
| Thursday December 20 17:14:38 2007 Re: Phyllis Coates |
> By the way,how skimpy/revealing were the outfits Ms. > Coates wore as Lois Lane? I only have a very vague > recollection of the 1950s Superman show! (Was not alive > when it originally aired, but I did catch some repeats in my childhood.) http://gytalf2000.deviantart.com/ Not very -- very 1950s meaning hem to the knee, and usually narrow waisted jackets. However, she was usually in nice high heels, and she had great legs. Ditto for Miss Noel Neill in all of the above. |
| peril lover |
| Thursday December 20 17:31:15 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| ss wrote: > I remember reading in an old Look Magazine a review of > The Girl From UNCLE that said the show amounted to >little more than Little Orphan Annie in Bondage. Lol, would love to hang that up on my wall. Now I'm tempted to track down the dvds... > In terms of homoerotic stuff, > I've seen several critics joke about Mel Gibson's > tendency to be tortured in his films ... Actually one critic I read put it best and IMO most accurately: He stated how he was an old school roman catholic like his father that really bought into the story of christ 'suffering for the sins of man' so for Gibson it was allegorical -- of course it's easy to note how narcissitic that makes him but I truly believe in this case (and his drunken rantings during a DUI stop) his on-screen suffering is a reflection of his religious beliefs and not homoerotism. |
| Captureher |
| Thursday December 20 18:37:21 2007 Re: Phyllis Coates |
| gytalf2000 wrote: > I have been crazy about the lovely Phyllis Coates. By the way,how skimpy/ > revealing were the outfits Ms. Coates wore as Lois Lane? I only have a very > vague recollection of the 1950s Superman show! She was Lois Lane from 1951 to 53 when the show had a much darker, more criminal edge to it, and was in black and white. When I was a kid in the early 60's they showed mostly the newer color episodes but it was still my favorite show at the time. Once in a while they would show the old episodes and I remember one where Phyllis was kidnapped and tied up back to back with another woman in a cabin, they were both gagged OTM. They struggled around but couldn't get loose, i remember Phyliis was wearing a cardigan sweater over camping clothes (it was one of those episodes in the country) and it sort of freaked me out because she usually wore suits with long skirts. All of those outfits now seem like fetish clothes to me, and I think that's pretty cool. She had a sexy body and a really pretty face, I wish she had been Lois Lane for the whole run of the show. |
| Thursday December 20 19:00:50 2007 Re: Phyllis Coates |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > (it was one of those episodes in the country) and it sort of > freaked me out because she usually wore suits with long > skirts. May have been: episode 6-"A Night of Terror" (10/24/1952) Lois Lane is vacationing in Canada when she's kidnapped by gunmen. Jimmy tries to help her, but gets captured as well. Have never seen a still of the scene. |
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| Thursday December 20 21:18:15 2007 CSI |
| Just notice this so West Coasters be aware. At around 15' mark, Jorja is in the trunk with her hands ziptied behind her. She becomes briefly untied a minute later. When I previously entered the the following entry, I didn't remember that scene. Day: Thursday December 20 2007 Time: 9pm est Channel: CBS CBS not Spike Record number: 12991 Title: CSI: Crime Scene Investigation aka C.S.I. Medium: TV Series Actress: Jorja Fox Description: Episode: "Dead Doll" (8.1) Give or take around the 20 to 24 minute marks, Fox gets out of the trunk and attacks her kidnapper as she drives the car. Fox ends up with her hands bound in front of her with a loose zip tie. |
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