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| Tuesday December 18 00:16:19 2007 Re: Early Brianspage - Question? |
| Kinky-napper wrote: > pre-Bondage Life "Bound for Hollywood" > column) Just out of curiosity, how old is that column? You old timers may recall? This would be from the early days, before I got my own computer and I reading and emailing. I'd never seen that column, just had my 20page list and the guy from Bizzare mag list someone had given me. When the serial come up (Purple Monster? I think?), I remember saying in 2 emails I didn't think the Bizzare guy in the 50's would omit the serials if of interest, so probably nothing in them... Of course, got I think 6 back saying "Tape! Tape! F{awq}IN Tape!"...Humourous Wasn't it that column? I've always wanted for some time to see about getting that entire column list, confirming and into the Database, but told it ran in mags over a period and no one sure if had the works |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday December 18 03:50:33 2007 Re: Does anyone know of any Lee Child novels with B/G damsels in it? |
| AP wrote: > Does anyone know any Lee Child novels with bound and > gagged DiD's in them. Also does anyone know any John Saul > and other authors with bound gagged did's in them. > Thnaks. i recall one novel by John Saul which I read back in the early 1990s whose plot contained a bound and gagged female character. Its title was "Sleepwalk". I believe the female character was a good-looking blonde schoolteacher. |
| Hadji |
| Tuesday December 18 06:26:25 2007 Re: Bondage Life's Bound for Hollywood column |
| > > Bondage Life "Bound for Hollywood" column) > > > > Just out of curiosity, how old is that column? ---- I believe Carl McGuire's BFH column started 1978. Around 1995, Harmony Concepts sold a 3-volume set of a black-and-white photocopy reprint of the first 50 columns for $14 per volume. The quality of the photos suffered by the reprint process chosen, but it allowed for the selling price to be kept to a minimum (versus the $8 quarterly magazine, which was printed on quality paper). |
| Kinky-napper |
| Tuesday December 18 07:52:09 2007 Re: Bondage Life's Bound for Hollywood column |
| Kinky-napper wrote: > > > Bondage Life "Bound for Hollywood" > Around 1995, Harmony Concepts sold a 3-volume set of a > black-and-white photocopy reprint of the first 50 columns > for $14 per volume. I saw the Ad for that reprint in Femme Fatale, ordered it, and finally realized I wasn't the only one. |
| Harry Hyde |
| Tuesday December 18 08:52:49 2007 "Taken" - new movie |
| Maggie Grace and Katie Cassidy play the kidnapped girls in "Taken" due in 2008. |
| anon22 |
| http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/12/07/worth-watching-dec-7-liam-neeson-in-taken/ |
| Tuesday December 18 10:07:45 2007 Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| Since this is such a turn off to most of us, I was wondering what are the top potential great scenes ruined by having putz B&G with the DID? I would vote the Flipper 2 DID first. I just saw two this week for the first time that had potential. Big Brother Trouble and Cheaper to Keeper. Any more potential classics ruined? |
| Wondering |
| Tuesday December 18 10:48:33 2007 Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| I was thinking .... would it be possible to create a book/movie/TV series like the Gor novels or the Ginger movies, which are chock full of bondage scenes, but are not clearly recognized as being all about the bondage by the mainstream folks? I mean, the first Gor novel was written back in 1967, and the first Ginger movie was made in 1970, when kinky stuff Just Didn't Happen in the mainstream, or if it did, it was as an example of psychologically disturbed people being psychologically disturbed (see: "Story of O"). I think because the Gor novels were first accepted as mainstream SF, and the Ginger movies as standard sexploitation detective movies, they gave viewers and readers who would never ordinarily touch an overtly kinky title a certain license to read a Gor novel/watch a Ginger movie. Kind of the way a lot of guys who'd never be seen buying a copy of Maxim or FHM will buy a copy of the Sport Illustrated swimsuit edition because it's not not a men's magazine, it's Sports illustrated. But things were different back then: the common perception was that bondage was something only practiced by beret-wearing beatniks in New York City with the aid of capri-pants wearing hotties like Bettie Page. It wasn't something that people expected to see in mainstream books and movies, unless presented specificaly as a bondage story, like "Story of O." So when they watched Ginger or read the Gor novels, they didn't really see it. Of course, people are a lot more sophisticated about bondage nowadays, but they're also a lot less sensitized to it in certain respect. That is, during the recent episode of "Desire" where the bad guy spent so much time fondling and gloating over his bound victim, there's a DEFINITE sexual bondage subtext going on there. I think modern audiences would tend to note and not be particularly upset about this because it's just something a director might do in an edgy damsel in distress scene. Their awareness of sexual bondage has in a sense desensitized them. So, the quest is, could someone do a bondage series of some kind now in a mainstream venue, without having it immediately recognized for what it is? Would the increased awareness of sexual bondage make them more apt to catch on, or would the desensitizing of audiences to sexual bondage imagery make them less apt to catch on? And for bonus points, what sort of venue might work? That is, what sort of mainstream movie/TV/novel genre might work as effectively for bondage imagery as John Norman's sword and sand fantasies, or the Ginger movies' detective genre? |
| Pat Powers |
| Tuesday December 18 10:55:37 2007 Re: Bondage Life's Bound for Hollywood column |
| Kinky-napper wrote: > I believe Carl McGuire's BFH column started 1978. 78, that's a good reference point. Thanks ***** Around 1995, Harmony Concepts sold a 3-volume set of black-and-white photocopy reprint of the first 50 columns for $14 per volume. ***** Okay, believe that's the one most of the guy's work off of. I believe we've cleared that. Thanks |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday December 18 11:41:25 2007 Re: Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| Wondering wrote: Actually the putz are not a problem to me. In fact i like the couple scenes |
| Mandrake |
| Tuesday December 18 11:48:34 2007 Best Scenes Ruined By a Putz |
| I agree. I think many on this board are way too negative towards couples scenes. Many act like the tied up guy has committed some kind of criminal act. Ask yourself, if you had the opportunity to sit right next to a bound and gagged Jessica Alba for a couple hours, but you had to be tied up too, how many would turn that down? |
| Tuesday December 18 12:04:55 2007 Re: Ashlee Simpson- "Outta My Head" video |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Ashlee to appear on TRL Thurs 12/20 to premiere her new > video. A few tidbits of what to expect, according to MTV: Maybe it's just me, but Ashlee Simpson is just not a girl that I want to look at, even if she is tied up. Just can't get past the fact that she is where she is because she's Jessica's sister, with no other contributing factor. Still remember her mediocre singing at halftime of some bowl game, and the crowd booing her off the field. That was a great moment in my book. Generally I don't want to be harsh to people, and I know she's scarcely the first to "make it" due to nepotism, but I wish she'd just go away. |
| Jute |
| Tuesday December 18 12:44:27 2007 Re: Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| Mandrake wrote: > Wondering wrote: > Actually the putz are not a problem to me. In fact i like > the couple scenes Doesn't bother me too much either in most cases. No problem with the Alba scenes. Even in the second, it was 2 females to one guy. One scene I didn't like was the PSI Luv U scene with Connie Sellecca B&G on the bed alongside Greg Evigan. That one was kinda spoiled. Plus, dark setting, quick ungagging and no really great closeups of just Connie. |
| Tuesday December 18 12:45:57 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > I think because the Gor novels were first accepted as > mainstream SF That's largely because the bondage content (and, in particular, the female submission fantasies) were a much smaller part of the series for the first half-dozen or so books: those first few books aren't significantly more kinky than the original Conan stories. It was all there, but not in the detail that began with "Captive of Gor." People (feminists and otherwise) caught on, though, and by the time Norman finished the series, there were large bookstore chains that had quit carrying the books altogether, or were sticking them in erotica instead of sci-fi. As to the specifics of your question, I think most "genre" fiction (detectives, superheroes, sci-fi, horror, etc.) have plenty of potential for storylines with repeated bondage from our point of view, but I doubt they'd be highly regarded in the "mainstream." |
| Jeb |
| jebdel@yahoo.com |
| http://www.jebsadventurebound.net |
| Tuesday December 18 12:48:59 2007 Re: Ashlee Simpson- "Outta My Head" video |
| Jute wrote: > > Maybe it's just me, but Ashlee Simpson is just not a girl > that I want to look at, even if she is tied up. The old Ashlee I agree. The new Ashlee since the nose job. Yes, I'll take a scene with her. |
| Tuesday December 18 13:14:46 2007 Re: Ashlee Simpson- "Outta My Head" video |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Ashlee to appear on TRL Thurs 12/20 to premiere her new > video. > Sounds like fun. Now add a wrap-around tape gag or knotted cleave, and my week is made.... |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 18 13:20:34 2007 Re: Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: >Actually the putz are not a problem to me. Nor to me, providing the girl is shown as much. In fact, the scene with Michelle Pfeiffer in Charlie Chan with Richard Hatch springs to mind. I would have taken his place if it came with the bonus of being in that scene with Heather Locklear bound and tapegagged a couple of years later in T J Hooker |
| Gaz P |
| Tuesday December 18 13:26:42 2007 Re: Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| Wondering wrote: > Any more potential classics ruined? You can search on the keyword "putz" on my site if you're looking for more scenes to jog your memory. (Granted, I tried to keep the guy(s) out of the caps whenever possible.) |
| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 18 13:48:10 2007 Bond and Bond -age |
| Jeb wrote: > Interestingly, one of the other stars of the film, Gemma > Arterton, is supposedly "confirmed" as the one > of the next "Bond girls," appearing in the next > 007 pic (which may actually be called "007," if > Daniel Craig is to be believed). I just wish they did a better movie than the last and with bondage in it. Previous one was boring and with all the romantic boo hoo which is so Anti-Bond - and NO, I dont want to know how it all started 30 years after the series was launched. Previously - bond and bondage were beautifully meshed together with some really interesting and even sensuous stuff. Dr No Live and Let Die(Jane Seymour) Spy who loved me (villian gets the heroine to change into a great cleavage exposing dress, ties her hands tight behind her back and says - now you are pretty !!). Thunderball(villian ties up the girl,totures her with ice cubes) Never say Never again(where Kim B learned the ropes) Bondage was absolutely natural here. When do we have the same stuff again? |
| zarchaic |
| Tuesday December 18 14:51:11 2007 Re: Bond and Bond -age |
| zarchaic wrote: > of the next "Bond girls," appearing in the > Previously - bond and bondage were beautifully meshed > together with some really interesting and even sensuous > stuff. > Bondage was absolutely natural here. When do we have the same stuff again? I think, but I'm not sure, that there were never any gags in any Bond movie, so for me they suck, sorry. |
| Tuesday December 18 15:24:27 2007 Re: Best Scenes Ruined By a Putz |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > the tied up guy has > committed some kind of criminal act. Ask yourself, if you > had the opportunity to sit right next to a bound and > gagged Jessica Alba No. Voyeur Board and want an unobstructed view of the action. Just quick, so don't have to take to Pofz Board? I was at a pub when a hot babe in mini & halter dancing up a storm and some conservative gals (jeans & sweatshirts) came in and stood obstructing my view. So I moved, and caught. "were they chopped liver?" or something? and I said I just stretching. Same not "a crime", but can't move to get a better look at Jessica. Hence venting abit more acid. ;) |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday December 18 17:14:54 2007 Re: Alert for Heart of the Storm |
| civil wrote: > I swear it listed for Tues. Now they list on Wed. episode > at 9:12am. Confusion alerts are due to my dialup going back to > speeds of anywhere from 12 to 19Kbps and then > disconnecting during a post. ... Many thanks for staying on top of it; my own channel/show listings have been off lately (slime warner cable) and didn't list the movie at all when I searched by title and even rejected my programming for setting other shows to record. Today after checking again it 'magically' appeared. Let's blame it on the writers' strike; I have a feeling most programmers are starting to 'wing it' for the holidays and aren't sure themselves what they should air... |
| Captureher |
| Tuesday December 18 17:34:37 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > in 1970, when kinky stuff Just Didn't Happen in the > mainstream, or if it did, it was as an example of > psychologically disturbed people being psychologically > disturbed (see: "Story of O").... First of all, if you meant what I think you meant by that comment about "psychologically disturbed people (see Story of O)" you were being offensive to people involved in that lifestyle who may be reading this thread. You know what they say about people living in glass houses my friend... To answer your question, I don't think so; while the work of 'one of us' may appear from time to time in mainstream and slip under the radar, any critic or sharp blogger will immediately point out 'intentional bondage'. That's aside of said show becoming unappealing to mainstream audiences sick of seeing damsels in distress in a similar predicament week after week (or film after film). I'm trying to remember a mainstream show from back in the 70's or early 80's that was 'outed' as a show that featured a few too many DID stereotypes (although they weren't always in bondage). These shows are usually branded as being somewhat misogynist. |
| Captureher |
| Tuesday December 18 18:42:44 2007 Paola Rey |
| Hey I was flipping through the chanels today and came accross a scene with Paola Rey tied up and tape-gagged and a crazy person was throwing gasoline all over the place. I believe it was La Mujer in el espejo, not sure. Showed a seen of the next episode and she was still tied up and gagged and the room was on fire. |
| SLJ |
| Tuesday December 18 19:09:28 2007 Re: Idea for a killer app |
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This post was deleted. Poster: (unsigned poster) Reason: Off-topic. |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday December 18 19:12:28 2007 Tennis Star Tied Up |
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This post was deleted. Poster: TSR Reason: Off-topic. |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday December 18 19:21:41 2007 Re: Best Scenes Ruined By a Putz |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Ask yourself, if you had the opportunity to sit right > next to a bound and gagged Jessica Alba for a couple > hours, but you had to be tied up too, how many would turn > that down? Not me, that's fer sure...Hell, I'm there!!!!!!! |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Tuesday December 18 19:23:22 2007 Re: Paola Rey |
| SLJ wrote: > Hey I was flipping through the chanels today and came > accross a scene with Paola Rey tied up and tape-gagged... Which channel?...there are several. |
| Tuesday December 18 19:30:40 2007 Re: Best scenes ruined by Putz |
| Gaz P wrote: > (unsigned poster) wrote: > >Actually the putz are not a problem to me. > Nor to me, providing the girl is shown as much. Me either...my only issue is when the dude is shown more than the gal. Several scenes with couples I've seen will have twenty shots of the guy to every one of the gal...probably because they want to show the action & it's usually the guy who is struggling & trying to save them...the girl is just kinda sitting there looking helpless...I guess many directors don't figure that is "exciting" enough to warrant a ton of close-ups. But it isn't just the fact that they are specifically showing a GUY more than the girl, per se. I get just as frustrated if they are showing the rescuers, the criminals, the dog across the street, etc. more than the girl. But, logically speaking, I guess the proper way to make a movie is to show the scenes of action...as exciting as it may be for us, long extended scenes of just the tied up girl might bore many audiences who are wanting to see some action. The worst..... a gril & guy tied together & the guy is BLICKING the view of the girl! That's just too "kick-a-little-sand-in-your-face" for me. You can get the occassional glimpse or peek of the girl but then the guy moves in to the action & blocks the view. Makes you just want to yell "down in front! or "move the hell over" |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Tuesday December 18 21:21:46 2007 Alexandra Paul double feature |
| Lifetime Movie Network (LMN) is showing 2 movies with bound-and-gagged scenes for Alexandra Paul tonight and tomorrow. Civil had posted an alert for "Demons From Her Past" on the VCR alerts page, but there was a mixup with another alert. I checked the times on my TV listings "grid" and posted additional alerts myself to confirm the correct times. I thought that I would post a message here as well to sum up the information. Both movies will be shown twice. I have also added the times that these movies will end because movies on Lifetime Movie Network begin and end at odd times: "Demons From Her Past" (Alexandra Paul bound and gagged): Wed Dec 19 2007 1:33 AM - 3:24 AM eastern Wed Dec 19 2007 7:27 AM - 9:12 AM eastern "Facing the Enemy" (Alexandra Paul bound and gagged): Wed Dec 19 2007 4:18 PM - 6:09 PM eastern Thur Dec 20 2007 5:45 AM - 7:27 AM eastern Thanks to Civil for the original alert for "Demons From Her Past" and to an unknown poster for the original alert for "Facing the Enemy". Both of these scenes are great. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 18 21:51:46 2007 Re: Alexandra Paul double feature |
| Tapemaster wrote: > Lifetime Movie Network (LMN) is showing 2 movies with > bound-and-gagged scenes for Alexandra Paul tonight and > tomorrow. If Master Raffish doesn't mind, this is to remind us which is which. :-) http://www.bondageparade.com/thumb/DemonsFromHerPast.jpg http://www.bondageparade.com/thumb/FacingTheEnemy.jpg |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Tuesday December 18 22:21:57 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Jeb wrote: > Pat Powers wrote: > That's largely because the bondage content (and, in > particular, the female submission fantasies) were a much > smaller part of the series for the first half-dozen or so > books: those first few books aren't significantly more > kinky than the original Conan stories. It was all there, > but not in the detail that began with "Captive of > Gor." C'mon, the original Conan stories had little or no sex. I'll grant you the first six books didn't have nearly as much kinky sex as the remaining 18 volumes, but almost any kinky sex would have been more than the Conan novels. Anyway, I think a more apt comparison would be with the Burrough Mars novels, which, although they didn't have much if any actual sex, were chock full of nudity, as Burroughs made it clear that the Martians never wore much more than shoulder harnesses as clothing. So you had these guys and gals with their ya-yas hanging out spouting Victorian romantic platitudes about one another. What a hoot(er)! > People (feminists and otherwise) caught on, though, and > by the time Norman finished the series, there were large > bookstore chains that had quit carrying the books > altogether, or were sticking them in erotica instead of > sci-fi. The Gor novels span twenty years -- 1967 to 1987. I don't think the feminists starting ragging on them in more than a sporadic way until the early 80s -- when the run was virtually over. Maybe the feminists had run the series out of town, but I also heard that the market for the novels had died down -- there was no Internet to promote a cult of Gor at the time. Probably it was a combination of both. I can't be the only guy who read them and went, sword and sworcery and lots of sex? It don't get no better than this! I'm betting a lot of non-bondage guys skip over the bondage and the slavery and just went with the sex, just like I skip over the scenes where Spenser is mooning over his love life when I read one of Richard Parker's Spenser novels. > As to the specifics of your question, I think most > "genre" fiction (detectives, superheroes, > sci-fi, horror, etc.) have plenty of potential for > storylines with repeated bondage from our point of view, > but I doubt they'd be highly regarded in the "mainstream." http://www.jebsadventurebound.net The Collector was well regarded. The Fan Club was a bestseller. Let's Go Play At The Addams' was a bestseller. Would the obvious and overwhelming bondage and dominance content in all three novels draw lots of negative attention today? They sure didn't in the old days. And one of the Dirty Harry novels was written by a famous bondage illustrator and is full of very imaginative, well-developed bondage scenes. I don't think a whole hell of a lot of people outside the bondage community is even aware of this. I'm thinking it might be harder to do in the medium of movies than elsewhere. I don't think anything like the Ginger movies would slide under the radar nowadays. I don't think the Ginger movies themselves were all that far under the radar back in the early 70s -- people knew they had a lot of bondage appeal, but people weren't that sensitive to bondage back then. It was just another sex thing, and they liked sex things. |
| Pat Powers |
| Tuesday December 18 22:25:41 2007 Re: Idea for a killer app |
| > Re: Idea for a killer app > This post was deleted. > > Poster: (unsigned poster) > Reason: Off-topic. With all due respect, I kinda wish you hadn't done this. I understand that discussion of other sites is considered off-topic, but I'd think that discussion of your vaunted database and potential ways to leverage it for the even greater good of the community would be very much on-topic, and that some middle ground might be found between the two. While I was fortunate enough to see (unsigned poster)'s comment before you removed it, I'm now left with the question of whether he was or was not putting me on about the project that I was proposing already having been done, and no ready means of resolving that question -- given that he provided no email address or even a handle, and given that nobody else who might be able to confirm or refute his claim will ever see it. See how I sneakily restated the claim in question there? I hope you'll let this much stand, on the condition that anyone with information about work that may have been done in this area should contact me privately and not post it here. |
| Raffish |
| raffish@bondageparade.com |
| Tuesday December 18 22:28:39 2007 Re: Life On Mars Season 2: BBCAmerica |
| Nite Owl wrote: > The final season is fiinally underway for this popular > show on BBCAmerica. The first two episodes were aired > this past Tuesday (12/11). From looking at the episode > guide on tv.com I am aware there will be some DiD action > for episode 5 with the kidnapping of a mother/daughter > combo. I know Liz White as DC Annie Cartwright will be > getting the treatment but don't know which episode. > Seeking help from across the Atlantic. Thank you. Here are the listings for Life on Mars. Which episode 5 or 6? One guy says 5 and the other says 6. Tell me and I can post the alert. Tuesday, January 1, 2008 9:00 PM - Episode 5 Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:00 PM - Episode 5 9:00 PM - Episode 6 |
| civil |
| Tuesday December 18 22:31:39 2007 Torchwood Season 2 on BBC America |
| Just saw a preview for season 3 to start on Jan 26, 2008. A female (maybe lead) is shown from the top down, with her arms strapped out to her side as she is lying on a table. Any info on SS2 from the folks on the other side of the pond. |
| civil |
| Tuesday December 18 22:42:20 2007 Re: Alexandra Paul double feature |
| Van wrote: > If Master Raffish doesn't mind, this is to remind us > which is which. :-) Not at all -- anyone's free to link to my public thumbs/caps/clips at any time, with or without attribution. Anyone who refers to me as "Master," however, may at some point be forced to lick my boots in order to prove that they're serious. ;) |
| Raffish |
| Tuesday December 18 22:44:43 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Captureher wrote: > Pat Powers wrote: > > in 1970, when kinky stuff Just Didn't Happen in the > > mainstream, or if it did, it was as an example of > > psychologically disturbed people being > psychologically > > disturbed (see: "Story of O").... > First of all, if you meant what I think you meant by that > comment about "psychologically disturbed people (see > Story of O)" you were being offensive to people > involved in that lifestyle who may be reading this > thread. You know what they say about people living in > glass houses my friend... Well, what I meant was that the mainstream regarded people into BDSM as psychologically disturbed, and that for them the main appeal of movies like the Story of O were in the areas of freak shows ... look what those freaky people do. I think a lot of mainstream people still think like that wrt BDSM folk. If people involved in "that lifestyle" wanna be offended, let them be. > To answer your question, I don't think so; while the work > of 'one of us' may appear from time to time in mainstream > and slip under the radar, any critic or sharp blogger > will immediately point out 'intentional bondage'. I've not seen many examples of that, that I know of among critics. Mostly they seem to let the bondage elements slide. I'm sure there's some sharp mainstream blogger who may note such things out there, since bloggers are so non-rare nowadays, but I don't know of any. Do you know of any? That's > aside of said show becoming unappealing to mainstream > audiences sick of seeing damsels in distress in a similar > predicament week after week (or film after film). I'm > trying to remember a mainstream show from back in the > 70's or early 80's that was 'outed' as a show that > featured a few too many DID stereotypes (although they > weren't always in bondage). These shows are usually branded as being somewhat misogynist. I dunno about the 70s or 80s, but didn't "24" catch a lot of flack because Eliza Dushku (I think that was her name) got tied up so much? I definitely remember there was a flap about it. That would definitely be an argument against such a thing being possible, since I don't think "24" was even pushing the bondage thing at all by our standards. I mean, Eliza D did get tied up a certain amount, and gagged a couple of times, but it wasn't all that frequent and the bondage wasn't that intense. |
| Pat Powers |
| Tuesday December 18 22:48:32 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > The Collector was well regarded. The Fan Club was a > bestseller. Let's Go Play At The Addams' was a > bestseller. Lemme correct that. Let's go Play At the Addams' was not, I believe, a bestseller, it became a cult novel among horror fans at some point. |
| Pat Powers |
| Tuesday December 18 22:52:40 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > thing at all by our standards. I mean, Eliza D did get > tied up a certain amount, and gagged a couple of times, but it wasn't all that frequent and the bondage wasn't that intense. Sadly, that wasn't Eliza Dushku, but instead Elisha Cuthbert. |
| The House of Le Bastard |
| Tuesday December 18 23:11:15 2007 Re: Is it possible to do stealth bondage stuff nowadays? |
| Pat Powers wrote: > I mean, Eliza D did get > tied up a certain amount, and gagged a couple of times, but > it wasn't all that frequent and the bondage wasn't that > intense. Mayyybe. I know that when I was watching Elisha get the full treatment in the cheerleader outfit, then later carried off screaming and tape-gagged again (albeit with hands in front this time), then Mom getting gagged and tied to a chair and meeting an unfortunate end, even I started to think that this might be carrying the whole DiD thing a bit too far in the course of a single season. It struck me as more lazy than exploitative, though I can see exploitative. Great stuff regardless. |
| Raffish |
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