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Tuesday January 15 01:57:29 2008
Jodi Lynn O'Keefe on Prison Break
She was strapped down to a wooden chair and waterboarded by the Panamanian police during an interrogation. Instead of cloth over her face, they used clear cellophane.
MadFish
Tuesday January 15 02:36:24 2008
Re: Tape gag speak
Kinky-napper wrote:

> > Can anyone name any good scenes, where the dind is
> tape
> gagged but you can tell she's trying to speak through the
>
> gag > ----
lise cutter in dangerous curves is good for this

pele
Tuesday January 15 05:16:20 2008
Re: Honey West vs Emma Peel
mmmm, Honey West vs Emma Peel ... 2 out of 3 rounds ... winner ties up the loser ...

what were we talking about?
Pat Powers
Tuesday January 15 05:33:15 2008
Re: Japanese Charlies Angels!
ss wrote:

> Database has six entries for this show. As it had over
> 200 episodes, I'd imagine there were many more scenes.

I know about 9 scenes taken from gagvision's site. There's a great scene in the very first episode, then a hiatus until episode 109, two years later. There were probably other scenes in that period. In general japanese shows of the sixties are very interesting on the DID side, maybe just because they had a lot of female characters.

Dean1
dean1
Tuesday January 15 05:39:24 2008
Site Update
This week we have a brand-new update about the breather gag on "Women's Murder Club" -- the first such gag to be seen on US mainstream TV. Also references scene from "Blind Witness," "A Friend of the Family" and "Demons From Her Past."
http://www.bondagerotica.com/articles/womens_murder_club/womens_murder_club_tease.jpg
Pat Powers
http://www.bondagerotica.com
Tuesday January 15 06:16:16 2008
Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
A lot of hard core commercial bondage fans don't give a rip for mainstream scenes because they say the bondage is so poorly done. It seems that if a damsel isn't tied up so tight that she can't even pass gas the scene isn't worth their time.
We Brian's Pagers on the other hand, jump up and down when a Fox news girl loosely pulls a mic cable over her wrist or an actress hand gags herself.
So I was wondering, what mainstream scenes had bondage that could stand up against commerical rope work?
Lou
Tuesday January 15 06:26:17 2008
Bondage for laughs
I tend to love bondage scenes in comedy shows because they sometimes go completely over the top. I remember one show called Turkey TV that had a babysitter tied to a chair with what seemed like a billion ropes. And I love it when comedians like Lucy make lots of gag noise and go over the top in their struggling.

What would you say were the best comical bondage scenes of all time?
Lou
Tuesday January 15 06:33:32 2008
Tied up in puns
Does anyone remember scenes where the damsel, hero, or villain made a pun like "all tied up" or "she can't talk right now".
I remember the Chips episode where Jon and Panch untie the hot blonde in a van. When they leave to pursue the villain, Paunch jokingly says to the girl, "Sit tight!" to which the lady gives him a look like, "very funny!"
Lou
Tuesday January 15 07:46:44 2008
Handcuffs or just bracelets.
I can't tell if Maria from the WWE is handcuffed or just has bracelets on her wrist but she sure looks hot!
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/maria/?cid=WWEADP-40
Lou
Tuesday January 15 10:02:49 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
Lou wrote:

A lot of hard core commercial bondage fans don't give a
rip for mainstream scenes because they say the bondage is
so poorly done. It seems that if a damsel isn't tied up
so tight that she can't even pass gas the scene isn't
worth their time.
We Brian's Pagers on the other hand, jump up and down
when a Fox news girl loosely pulls a mic cable over her
wrist or an actress hand gags herself.
So I was wondering, what mainstream scenes had bondage
that could stand up against commerical rope work?

Las Vegas - Heroes(very much enjoyed that scene
Caracara
Dangerous Curves (with the two damsels)
Blind Witness
One Life To Live - Kassie DePaiva in trunk
Home and Away - with Tammin Sursock tape gagged
Evil Town
Terror Among Us
Original Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Undertaker's Wedding
Combat Killers

I could go on but basically, I pay so little attention to mainstream because while there are the ocassional scenes that are both long enough and or include enough struggling and mmphing for my taste, much of it just pales in comparison once you've seen a good commercial video and so then little things like a a mic cord over the wrist or a handcuffed girl being arrested just doesn't grab my attention anymore and isn't worth my time watching whole episodes of shows just to catch those two sceond clips. In fact, much of what passes as relavent DID talk on here is so lame and uninteresting to me that I could go weeks at a time without checking in and not feel as though I've missed a thing. Much of the subpar scenes I think are casualties of time constraints and storyline, since bondage is understandibly seldom the main focus of the program. While others are a turn off either the actresses is too old or is otherwise not what you might consider attractive, along with lame rope work or too many putzes. Every once in awhile there arrises that magical scene with the actresses or actresses of your choice in the type of prediciment you've always wanted but they don't happen often and in the case of most actresses never will. And dreaming about what could be is just too painful. So while hollywood actresses and directors are more capable of presenting higher quality bondage scenes, they seldom do and rarely include the actress we'd like. So you end up with lots of bare minimum ties and gags or lame scenarios that hint at bondage and none of this interests me what so ever. I can easily go and watch a commercial vid and see exactly what I want, so in order for a mainstream scene to measure up and snag my attention it pretty much has to be on the level of let's say the Las Vegas "Heroes" episode or Caracara. Otherwise, it will just appear to little and not enough. Mainstream can provide tiny morsals of goodness while commercial can provide huge pieces. The tiny morsals while somtimes better tasting are just too few in numbers. Hopefully I explained at least my view of this topic well enough.
Tuesday January 15 10:19:17 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
(unsigned poster) wrote:

Lou wrote:
A lot of hard core commercial bondage fans don't give a
rip for mainstream scenes because they say the bondage
is
so poorly done. It seems that if a damsel isn't tied up
so tight that she can't even pass gas the scene isn't
worth their time.
We Brian's Pagers on the other hand, jump up and down
when a Fox news girl loosely pulls a mic cable over her
wrist or an actress hand gags herself.
So I was wondering, what mainstream scenes had bondage
that could stand up against commerical rope work?
Las Vegas - Heroes(very much enjoyed that scene
Caracara
Dangerous Curves (with the two damsels)
Blind Witness
One Life To Live - Kassie DePaiva in trunk
Home and Away - with Tammin Sursock tape gagged
Evil Town
Terror Among Us
Original Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Undertaker's Wedding
Combat Killers

I posted the above message. Sorry for not doing so the first time.
Chris
Tuesday January 15 11:09:08 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
(unsigned poster) wrote:

I pay so little attention to
> mainstream because while there are the ocassional scenes
> that are both long enough and or include enough
> struggling and mmphing for my taste, much of it just
> pales in comparison once you've seen a good commercial
> video

It's a balancing act, and everyone here has their own sliding scale as to what makes a scene work for them.

We all like good bondage, securely applied, and for fans of commercial bondage, that tends to be the primary motivator.

For many of us, though, that's secondary to other aspects: the actress or character in question, the context, storyline, type of clothing, etc-- if those other elements are handled to our taste, we can live with bondage that's not up to the standards of a Jay Edwards.

For me, personally, I much more enjoy a DID scene which features capture, peril, gloating, etc., to the sorts of commercial ones where a pretty girl is just modelling ropes, no matter how well they're applied. I find most commercial stuff just too static for my taste, but that's just me.
Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.jebsadventurebound.net
Tuesday January 15 11:40:29 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
Commercial bondage its so boring

Mandrake
Tuesday January 15 12:22:18 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
Lou wrote:

> A lot of hard core commercial bondage fans don't give a
> rip for mainstream scenes because they say the bondage is
> so poorly done. It seems that if a damsel isn't tied up
> so tight that she can't even pass gas the scene isn't
> worth their time.
> We Brian's Pagers on the other hand, jump up and down
> when a Fox news girl loosely pulls a mic cable over her
> wrist or an actress hand gags herself.
> So I was wondering, what mainstream scenes had bondage
> that could stand up against commerical rope work?

The sense that I am getting from this post is that Lou is not asking for comparisons of the quality of mainstream vs. commercial scenes, but for a list of mainstream scenes where the quality of the bondage matches that of commercial scenes.

There are a few such scenes. The one that comes immediately to mind is from an otherwise forgettable Skinamax flick called "The Naked Detective." A rich old man does, the maid is suspected, and in a trice she's in a comfy but very well done chair tie, while wearing a sexy French maid outfit. There's lots of wrapping and amazingly, plenty of frapping, all very tight and nicely done. Would have looked fine on Helpless Heroines.com.

Can't think of others offhand, but will have fun trying.
Pat Powers
Tuesday January 15 12:57:59 2008
Re: Tied up in puns
Lou wrote:

> Does anyone remember scenes where the damsel, hero, or
> villain made a pun like "all tied up" or
> "she can't talk right now".

This one comes to me right off the bat:
Record number: 1237

Title: JAG
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Susan Haskell

Description: Episode: "Wilderness of Mirrors." (4.21)

Stressed
Tuesday January 15 13:02:17 2008
Jan 14 Prison Break scene
Happened to catch a scene from Fox's Prison Break last night. I don't watch the show, so I don't know who's who, but what I saw was a raven-haired damsel captured by some cops of some sort, strapped to a chair, and tortured.

Her chair was tipped back, and they spread plastic wrap over her entire face. They then approached her with a hose. I thought they were going to do something truly dastardly like punch a hole in the wrap at her mouth, shove the hose down her throat and turn on the water. Instead they just splashed water over her wrap-covered face. She never as far as I could tell breathed in any of the water; it just went over her face. Yet when they raised the chair her face was soaking wet and she was gasping for air.

I'm trying to figure out what sort of "torture" this was--ie, what was the idea?
John
Tuesday January 15 13:05:25 2008
Re: The Projectionist
Jeb wrote:

> "Everyone at the shoot agreed that Anastasia was a
> 'trooper'."

What makes them think she didn't enjoy it?


John
Tuesday January 15 13:18:04 2008
Re: Tape gag speak
pele wrote:

> Kinky-napper wrote:
> > > Can anyone name any good scenes, where the dind
> is
> > tape
> > gagged but you can tell she's trying to speak
> through the
> >
> > gag > ----
> lise cutter in dangerous curves is good for this

Major John's had a good scene a while back i think it was called 'cover me' though I'd check the DB to be sure

Tuesday January 15 14:09:00 2008
Re: Tied up in puns
Lou wrote:

> Does anyone remember scenes where the damsel, hero, or
> villain made a pun like "all tied up" or
> "she can't talk right now".
Strangely enough the only one I remember was one from when I was very young in some kids show about "Pip the Piper." He had a lady friend called "Miss Merrynote," and one time she got hypnotized or something by a villain - don't remember his name - and he just left her sitting with a blanket or something over her head to "hide" her. Later he told Pip or someone that she couldn't attend something because "She's just all tied up right now." And I was thinking "No she isn't! And that's really a gyp!" I'm betting there must have been some more accurate version in at least one of the episodes of the cartoon "Dudley Do-right" involving Nell and Snidely Whiplash. Great cartoon.


Jute
Tuesday January 15 16:06:32 2008
Catherine Bach collage
Wish she was by herself in the chair, but the outfit is so nice, right t-shirt and jeans, and a nice hands-up expression when the gun was pulled on her.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9636/daisy22nb3.jpg
Tuesday January 15 17:02:15 2008
Lucy Liu cleave-gagged
...in comedy "Watching the detectives" trailer
Tuesday January 15 17:34:08 2008
Mischa Barton 'Homecoming'
Mischa plays a psycho who kidnaps her ex-boyfriend's current girlfriend (Jessica Stroup - pictured)

Can't wait
http://www.greysanatomyinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/jessica-stroup.jpg
Tuesday January 15 17:38:58 2008
Re: Mischa Barton 'Homecoming'
Q: In the thriller Homecoming, you play a woman who kidnaps her ex-boyfriend’s girlfriend. How did you get in touch with your inner jilted lover for that role?

A: She’s more of psycho. She’s a bit more of a trashy character than I’ve played before. i want her to be a trashy blonde, something people havent’ seen me as. It’s going to be fantastic.



http://www.mischanews.com/2007/12/17/mischa-barton-maxim-magazine/
Tuesday January 15 17:55:50 2008
Re: Upcoming Telenovela: Bellezas Indomables
MadFish wrote:

> Captureher wrote:
> > ...what cable system in
> the US
> > may carry Azteca America?

> Have you checked your local channel listing? That's
> where I found it.

Yes, but my cable system (Time Warner) has a terrible tendency not to let customers know when a new cable channel is added. Besides, I was curious to know if it was in the US .
Captureher
Tuesday January 15 18:55:45 2008
Re: Tied up in puns
> Does anyone remember scenes where the damsel, hero, or
villain made a pun like "all tied up" or "she can't talk right now".
----
Tina Louise (to her doppleganger) in Gilligan's Island ("All About Eva").

Erin Hiller in "The Lonely Guy" (1984).
Kinky-napper
Tuesday January 15 19:09:04 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
Pat Powers wrote:

> The sense that I am getting from this post is that Lou is
> not asking for comparisons of the quality of mainstream
> vs. commercial scenes, but for a list of mainstream
> scenes where the quality of the bondage matches that of
> commercial scenes.

Would the scene in After Hours with Linda count? Sure looks good to me!

Record number: 156

Title: After Hours (1985)
Medium: Movie
Actress: Linda Fiorentino

Description: Around the 55' mark (in the BRAVO airing, there are ads, possibly fewer than on other outlets), we see Ms. Fiorentino's cleavegagged face leaning out a window from below. When Griffin Dunne enters the apartment, thinking her predicament the work of thieves, we see her sitting on the floor, tied up with white rope.

First, strands of rope are tied around her upper arms and body, above and below her breasts. The ropes cross each other between the breasts, and are cinched between arms and body. Her elbows and wrists are tied together behind with other ropes, and those are interconnected with strands that are held together with narrow coils of the same rope, in a quite artistical way.

Finally her ankles are tied together too.

Also, she wears quite a sexy outfit: A black blouse that is transparent-made of negligé-like material-except around the neck and at the sleeves, a black short leather skirt, nylons and black shoes

http://www.jsrpages.co.uk/scansf/fiorentino/Linda_Fiorentino-After_Hours-19.jpg
http://www.bondagerotica.com/articles/firsts/afterhours.jpg
http://www.jsrpages.co.uk/scansf/fiorentino/Linda_Fiorentino-After_Hours-21.jpg
detroitdave
Tuesday January 15 20:17:57 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
detroitdave wrote:

> Pat Powers wrote:

> Would the scene in After Hours with Linda count? Sure
> looks good to me!

It counts as far as I'm concerned! A see-through blouse (remember that fad? mmmmm) and nice, tight rope bondage with ropes accentuating her breasts and what looks like shibari bondage of her arms. It would look very at home on a lot of commercial bondage sites.

I remembered another movie with scenes that would look at home in a commercial DiD site, that would be "Cold Heart" with elaborate rope bondage for Hudson Leick and Jane Campbell.

And speaking of Hudson Leick.wouldn't that elaborate chair bondage with the collar and the forehead strap and the waits strap and the wrist bonds and the ankle bonds and the everything bonds qualify? There are a lot of commercial bondage sites that generally AREN'T that, um, elaborate.
Pat Powers
Tuesday January 15 20:19:47 2008
Re: Mainstream vs. Commercial bondage
Pat Powers wrote:

> And speaking of Hudson Leick.wouldn't that elaborate
> chair bondage with the collar and the forehead strap and
> the waits strap and the wrist bonds and the ankle bonds
> and the everything bonds qualify?

I'm speaking of course of the scene from the "Xena" TV series. Lucy Lawless wound up in the exact some predicament.
Pat Powers
Tuesday January 15 20:56:27 2008
Re: Bondage for laughs - Comedy TV series
> I tend to love bondage scenes in comedy shows because
they sometimes go completely over the top.

> What would you say were the best comical bondage scenes
of all time?
----
Marlo Thomas in "That Girl".
Now *that's* how a new TV-series should kick off...

Kinky-napper
Tuesday January 15 21:07:08 2008
Re: Lucy Liu cleave-gagged
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> ...in comedy "Watching the detectives" trailer

Awesome! Thanks for the heads up. I've been wanting to see her get the treatment for years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/madfish86/WatchingtheDetectives_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/madfish86/WatchingtheDetectives_2.jpg
MadFish
Tuesday January 15 23:57:32 2008
Re: Jan 14 Prison Break scene
Captureher wrote:

> John wrote:
> > ...Her chair was tipped back, and they spread
> plastic wrap
> > over her entire face. ...
> > Instead they just splashed water over her
> wrap-covered
> > face....she was
> > gasping for air.

You can see the scene on Fox-on-demand linked below. The scene happens at about 33:30.

Man, Jody Lyn O'Keefe used to be hot. She's let herself go a bit, but I hope her character still gets captured again and this time maybe they'll string her up by her wrists.
MAV
http://www.fox.com/fod/player.htm?show=prison

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