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Saturday March 05 00:31:30 2005 Update - 3/4 |
Added caps of Vera Gemma from Scarlet Diva (directed by the beautiful, and brave, Asia Argento). |
Gratefuldead Roger |
boundandgagged2003@hotmail.com |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boundandgagged2003/ |
Saturday March 05 00:41:54 2005 Re: Best gag fighting / chewing |
Didlys_Dunrite wrote:
> Does any body know some > mainstream scenes that would have some good gag fighting? Jennifer O'Dell does some excellent gag chewing and struggling in the episode of "The Lost World" entitled "Into The Fire". |
CM |
Saturday March 05 01:58:48 2005 Te Voy Strikes Again! |
Camila (Ana Lucía Domínguez) gets hand gagged by some thugs near the end of Friday's episode, with hands bound in front with rope. She is then on screen roughly gagged with duct tape with some nice closeups by the bad guys. Scene may continue next episode since that is how they left her.
That's now 3 times in the last week. I'd say this show has been elevated to classic! |
Caesar |
Saturday March 05 02:12:44 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
Caesar wrote:
> Camila (Ana Lucía Domínguez) gets hand > gagged by some thugs near the end of Friday's episode, > with hands bound in front with rope. She is then on > screen roughly gagged with duct tape with some nice > closeups by the bad guys. Scene may continue next > episode since that is how they left her. > > That's now 3 times in the last week. I'd say this show has been elevated to classic! Are you serious? Te Voy has just been cranking these scenes out. From what I've seen of the caps, these are some serious kick-ass scenes too. I don't suppose anyone will be able to post a clip of these anytime soon (for the telemundo-less amongst us)? |
Matt |
Saturday March 05 03:01:15 2005 The Jacket |
Just wanted to let you all know, there is nothing in the jacket. Weird ass movie, but you do get to see Keira Knightly in the bathtub!! Just an FYI |
Blockbuster dude |
Saturday March 05 03:29:13 2005 Re: "Secuestro" Streak Continuing?- No |
Jay L wrote:
> Btw: this re-airs tomorrow (6th @1:30am) if anything Nothing of interest on this forum |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 03:52:33 2005 One Favour? |
Caught an interesting scene on an Asian show titled here "Crime & Punishment"
Hot looking gal was chloro'd, tape gagged, hands cuffed behind, ankles tied together with thick pink ribbon. Some good squirming, ungagged and regagged a few times as well. Some bunnyhopping over to try a locked door. Closeups of her feet going along, but she wearing skin coloured nylons. Sorry Frank J. Thought we going to have a Marlene Dauden rival for abit there. She ends up getting loose by noticing a nail clipper on the floor, so complains about the cuffs marking her wrists to convince him to remove the cuffs, and tie her hands behind her back with the thick ribbon. Soon as he leaves, she squirms over to the clipper and goes to work on her bonds. I'm sure this show is Korean. Driving on right side, and spotted a Korean passport too. Ask if someone whom able to access the better US Google search will run this through, relating any information over to the Database Corrections Page. As all I'm getting here is about Dick Wolf's Law & Order: Crime & Punishment show, despite having "Korean Friggin Drama" in the request... Any assist appreciated Thanx |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 03:57:03 2005 Re: One Favour? |
> Hot looking gal was chloro'd, tape gagged, hands cuffed
> behind, ankles tied together Forgot to mention, will work on getting this clipped for you fellas. |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 04:29:05 2005 Re: B.L. Stryker / Dancer's Touch |
> I was paying attention - just not to anything on the web
> because I didn't have internet service @ that time. I am > glad that you ran the clip. Those who chose not to view > it missed out. Is this something that you would run again > sometime or put on a compilation tape? Thank you for responding. I second running it again. I recorded this when it originally aired, which was about what 15-16 years ago?? My tape of the scenes has seen better days. I thought that I was watching all sites for this clip very closely. Nov 28 was Thanksgiving weekend which is probably how I missed it. I should point out that the last 2 years WGN has had a BL Stryker week, I think sometime in May. WGN aired Dancer's Touch in 2003. I missed it. There are only 12 BL Stryker movies I think, so if they do it again this year Dancer's Touch could be shown again. |
Saturday March 05 04:58:42 2005 Re: B.L. Stryker / Dancer's Touch |
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> I recorded this when it > originally aired, which was about what 15-16 years ago?? > My tape of the scenes has seen better days. Unsigned posted earlier: "it's on Major John's Volume A DVD, although he doesn't bother listing it - short scene out of 150 others." Take it "A" = Volume1 DVD (Homepage Link) Could go pick it up that way, if you don't want to wait for it show up again on a Cap site |
Jay L |
http://www.bindher.com/silentnight/volume1.htm |
Saturday March 05 05:25:24 2005 Best gag fighting / chewing |
> Does any body know some mainstream scenes that would have some good gag
fighting? ----- Terror Among Us (1981) -- both Sarah Purcell and Pat Klous. Bad Love (1992) The Collector (1965) Lois & Clark ("Madame Ex") However, in mainstream media, energetic gag-fighting seems to me to occur most often in tape-gag scenes -- such as Dangerous Curves ("The French Connection") and Palmetto (1995). |
Kinky-napper |
Saturday March 05 05:59:18 2005 Re: Tied up tightie in a hot little nightie |
Van wrote:
> > > scenes involving damsels bound & gagged in > > > > nightgowns. > > > Joanna Going; Columbo ("No Time to > Die"); > > > > Wasn't that her wedding dress? > > > > Had a fan of bound brides, sure that on top of his > list > > for the re-air up here? > > I seem to remember she was abducted from her honeymoon > suite (while her new hubbie was in the john) having just > removed her gown. So... it's her slip & white > stockings (plus anything else that may be under the > slip). Right? This movie is based on a mystery novel by Ed McBain entitled "So Long As You Both Shall Live"; the plot concerns the abduction of a gorgeous model who has wed a police officer. She is kidnapped by an obsessed stalker. She is rendered unconscious by chloroform, and wakes up bound and gagged on a mattress in a dark, empty room. She spends quite a bit of time bound and gagged in the book, if anyone cares to read it. |
Hadji |
Saturday March 05 10:30:40 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
Caesar wrote:
> That's now 3 times in the last week. I'd say this show has been elevated to classic! Makes up for having to tape Pasion de Gavilanes for 10 months for nothing more than having her hands tied in front weakly (and Paola's early on B&G scene) and the previous 5 months of TVAEAQ for nothing more than a teaser handgag that didn't go anywhere (that in my opinion, should have plot wise.) |
G-MaN |
gman22471@yahoo.com |
http://www.geocities.com/anothermoviesite/TVAEAQ2.html |
Saturday March 05 10:39:08 2005 classic scene te voy |
Someone has got to get a clip done of this scene! it is the best ive seen in terms of the pics for a long time... IMO better that ulee's gold, and the philipine classic Ekis in terms of duct tape use |
dwa |
Saturday March 05 10:46:21 2005 Yet another Spanish scene upcoming |
And this mornings promo for next week's upcoming "Noche de Pelicula" on Univision is the classic "Viejo Zorro" - featuring a gorgeous blonde in a hot green sundressed bound and cleave gagged with a pink cloth. Excellent scene!
Can't seem to find any info on this movie in the Scene Database or IMDB. |
Caesar |
Saturday March 05 10:59:41 2005 Re: Yet another Spanish scene upcoming |
There may be even one more coming to a select few. On Telenovela-World, there is talk of a preview for a new Chilian one called "Los Capo". It mentions a shot of a woman tied and gagged.
It's listed under "Foreign Broadcasts Available in the USA Via Cable and Satellite" section, and two people from NY are talking about how they can't wait. (neither can I, but since it's not on Univision or Telemundo, it ain't happening.) |
G-MaN |
Saturday March 05 11:49:33 2005 Re: Tied up tightie in a hot little nightie |
didlys_dunrite wrote:
> Oh, & any feedback or suggested scenes involving > damsels bound & gagged in nightgowns. Thanx I haven't seen The Ghost in the Invisible Bikini mentioned. Deborah Walley in a blue nightie gagged with a red scarf (OTM) and bound to a conveyor headed for a buzz saw. Movie has no socially redeeming value (to us anyhow) except for this scene which is fairly lengthy. |
Mark O |
Saturday March 05 12:20:13 2005 This week-ish in did scenes |
I don't know if you folks can catch the repeats if there are any, or if you have them saved on your TIVOs, but.. I have most of these episodes capped / waiting to be capped, so let me know if you want a copy.
Feel free to add anything I've missed, finding scenes months after the fact is a real pain. CIS NY 1x16 - A bunch of BDSM stuff, a la House of Gord (human furniture, forno..?), latex, straps and ballgags, albeit the "hollywood, it's resting on my teeth" version. I'm surprised that I didn't see any discussion about it here. Alias 4x09 - A short scene of Anna being strap cuffed at ~34 minutes w/o commercials. Not quite as good as the scenes from the week before, but the Alias gods have not permitted us a great scene every week. 24 - 4x11 - The "mother terrorist" gets a fairly lengthy "24 handcuff" (my new name for the handcuffs with the longer chains they use) scene. Stargate atlantis - 1x20, Dr. Weir gets her wrists tied behind her, is forced into a chair and blindfolded for a fair bit of time in the season finale. Enterprise 4x14 - Both Jolene Blalock and Alexandra Lydon get to ride a futuristic chair with blinky lights and arm restraints. |
AsbestosFilter |
AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asbestosfilterscaps/ |
Saturday March 05 12:36:56 2005 Re: Best gag fighting / chewing |
> > However, in mainstream media, energetic gag-fighting > seems to me to occur most often in tape-gag scenes That's right. Score 1 for the Tape Gag |
Saturday March 05 12:55:46 2005 Update |
Major John's is updated courtesy of Bindher for your weekend
entertainment. |
Major John |
silent_night_022003@yahoo.com |
http://www.bindher.com |
Saturday March 05 13:07:43 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
> That's now 3 times in the last week. I'd say this
> show has been elevated to classic! > You got that right. I've been going crazy all week hearing how the bondage just keeps rollin'. This is where Spanish soaps excel - maybe because the actresses aren't so stuck up. At any rate, loving this scene, loving Ana Lucia, and loving this week. Can't wait to see this one unfold s'more. |
X |
Saturday March 05 13:30:31 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
X wrote:
> You got that right. I've been going crazy all week > hearing how the bondage just keeps rollin'. Some people might also like the fact that when she was cleavegagged out in the woods it looked like she was having trouble fully closing her mouth it so snug. |
G-MaN |
gman22471@yahoo.com |
http://www.geocities.com/gman22471/118.html |
Saturday March 05 13:55:10 2005 Re: Yet another Spanish scene upcoming |
Caesar wrote:
> And this mornings promo for next week's upcoming > "Noche de Pelicula" on Univision is the classic > "Viejo Zorro" > Airing Friday night (Saturday morning) at midnight E/P. Any intel on scene time(s)? |
Biff |
http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
Saturday March 05 13:56:10 2005 Re: Publicity Stunt with Bondage in Toronto |
Canuck wrote:
> Did anyone catch it on the news? ****** "Sir Richard Branson, dressed as a superhero, signalled the birth of Virgin Mobile Canada yesterday by sliding down a cable from the top of a building into the middle of downtown's Dundas Square, he then hopped on the back of a monster truck, which proceeded to drive over three rusted jalopies meant to represent the competition. But the silliness didn't end there. After symbolically crushing his rivals, Branson rescued three miniskirt-wearing nurses who were chained to the cars. The four then flirtatiously played in the snow with each other as an awestruck media — who seemed to outnumber the general public — looked on." ************ ============================== Photo of this in today's Toronto Sun on page 48. |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 14:25:32 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
Caesar wrote:
> Scene may continue next > episode since that is how they left her. I don't know about that. I just read a summery of last night's episode: Chucho (The Big Ol' Thug) and thug agree that this is the time to free Cam. (notice how they were also taking out some of the men loyal to Mil (The Pimp Father). Chucho calls Pablo tells him to meet him with money in exchange for Cam. Pablo tells Tulia man called wanting money for Cam and leaves. Pablo was seen riding off and then shown at the wedding in the end so he may have picked her up offscreen. I don't think Chucho was planning on doublecross him. He seems like a nice guy, who only wants to kill Mil and make some extra easy money on the side.(but he was seeming a little fond of Camila,too, so maybe he changed his mind.) But it may be time for Diana (Dana Garcia) to make her gaggage appearence in this soap. Deborah's plans are closing in on her and she did pull a knife at the end. Stab Al and take Diana hostage so she can get away seems like a possiblity to me. |
G-MaN |
gman22471@yahoo.com |
http://www.geocities.com/gman22471/118.html |
Saturday March 05 14:40:49 2005 Re: Publicity Stunt with Bondage in Toronto |
Jay L wrote:
> Photo of this in today's Toronto Sun on page 48. Nothing on the Toronto Sun web site yet, but here are AP photo's of the models. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050301/1912/z030133ajpg |
Kerhop |
Saturday March 05 14:48:30 2005 Re: Te Voy Strikes Again! |
Caesar wrote:
> Scene may continue next > episode since that is how they left her. > Did the relevant action occur late enough in the ep to be included in the reprise Monday? |
Biff |
Saturday March 05 14:55:36 2005 Advertisement on Univision |
An ad showed a dental technician with a surgical mask on. I thought it was a gag at first. |
Gaglover |
Saturday March 05 15:19:00 2005 Database additions |
Many recent scenes have failed to find their way into the DB. This includes most of the recent Spanish language ones, Alias, Mythbusters, Jane Doe, etc.
This database is your tool and your responsibility. |
Brian R |
Saturday March 05 17:17:10 2005 Re: Database additions |
Brian R wrote:
> Many recent scenes have failed to find their way into the > DB. This includes most of the recent Spanish language > ones, Alias, Mythbusters, Jane Doe, etc. > > This database is your tool and your responsibility. That sort of sounded like it was broken and some entries were lost. I had to read it twice before I got it. Anyways, like I was saying before, registration and all that seems to keep the casual submitters away. I enter stuff in the db when I cap (so I can throw in times, etc), and I tend to do so en masse, but it usually ends up being late. Oh, I've submitted *checks* 29 (I think) out of the last 100 entries, it would be, uh, cool, if more people submitted entries, especially for older stuff. There is a ton of stuff that was never submitted. I added a bunch of 24 Season 3 stuff a couple weeks ago, and I don't think anyone was entering stuff for law and order svu until season 3. There are a couple other pretty big holes, but now that these show are being released on DVD, it is a great time to add records. It would be nice to have some way of identifying whether a collector has watched the entire season of an show and made sure every scene has been added. BTW, the Alias episodes are (and have been) up to date except 4.9, which I just watched this morning. |
AsbestosFilter |
AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asbestosfilterscaps/ |
Saturday March 05 17:32:36 2005 Futuristic Bondage |
Anyone know any movies that has futuristic bondage, such as Star Wars: Episode II? Natalie Portman had such a short scene there, but she was cute. |
Saturday March 05 17:33:56 2005 DVR |
Has anyone else set up MythTV / Freevo or one of the similar DVR programs that are out there? The quality of caps from broadcast HDTV is really good - far superior to "standard cable" caps. If you folks have seen some of my caps, you know what I mean.
Quite a bit of stuff is broadcast in HDTV now (pretty much everything on the big stations during prime time, I'd guess the morning stuff too, although I don't follow soaps), so I am kind of wondering if I'm the only person who caps from HDTV on here... If you folks want some help setting something up (and mythtv is, well, just really damn cool once you get it running), let me know. |
AsbestosFilter |
AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asbestosfilterscaps/ |
Saturday March 05 17:38:08 2005 Re: Futuristic Bondage |
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> Anyone know any movies that has futuristic bondage, such > as Star Wars: Episode II? Natalie Portman had such a > short scene there, but she was cute. Sadly, it seems that in about 150 years, ropes will dissapear and invisible forcefields will be all the rage ;) |
AsbestosFilter |
AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asbestosfilterscaps/ |
Saturday March 05 17:57:06 2005 Futuristic Bondage |
> Sadly, it seems that in about 150 years, ropes will dissapear and invisible forcefields will be all the rage ;)
---- Unfortunately, most Hollywood depictions of the future seem to have that grim depiction (except those where a world is a sort of post-apocalyptic place run by semi-barbarians). But there were a lot of DiD scenes in the Lexx series, and Enterprise's "Shadows of P'Jem" was a standout. |
Kinky-napper |
Saturday March 05 17:59:12 2005 Re: Futuristic Bondage |
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> Anyone know any movies that has futuristic bondage, such > as Star Wars: Episode II? Natalie Portman had such a > short scene there, but she was cute. Allow me to Strongly recommend Van's story "Preproduction" |
Snowcat |
Saturday March 05 18:04:12 2005 Re: Database additions |
AsbestosFilter wrote:
> it would be, uh, cool, if more people > submitted entries, especially for older stuff. There is a > ton of stuff that was never submitted. You must have just joined us the last while. Fellas have been on us about this before. So, Basically, say five to six years back. Some fellas ran in a pile of entries based on their collections. In which they only saved the ones with gags. We're still taping/checking through re-airs and ID'ing. It's an ongoing thing |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 18:11:53 2005 Futuristic Bondage |
"Dune" (1984) also had a standout B&g scene, with Lady Jessica inescapably bound in "krimskell fiber". |
Kinky-napper |
Saturday March 05 18:17:03 2005 Re: Best gag fighting / chewing |
Kinky-napper wrote:
Does any body know some mainstream scenes that would have some good gag fighting? ____________________________ Terror Among Us (1981) -- Pat Klous. Lois & Clark ("Madame Ex") Teri Hatcher Dangerous Curves ("The French Connection")__________________________________ Dangerous Curves(French Defection,The) Michael Michele (Holly Williams) |
Rich |
bindherupx@yahoo.com |
http://bindherupx.net |
Saturday March 05 18:31:50 2005 Re: Tied up tightie in a hot little nightie |
didlys_dunrite wrote:
Oh, & any feedback or suggested scenes involving damsels bound & gagged in nightgowns. Thanx _____________ Mark O wrote: I haven't seen The Ghost in the Invisible Bikini mentioned. _______________ Ghost in the Invisible Bikini,The 1966 Deborah Walley (Lili Morton) 83 Hours 'Til Dawn 1990 Shannon Wilcox (Janet Burdock) Lancer Spy 1937 Dolores Del Rio (Dolores Daria Sunnell) |
Rich |
bindherupx@yahoo.com |
http://bindherupx.net |
Saturday March 05 18:44:57 2005 Re: Database additions |
AsbestosFilter wrote:
****** database is your tool and your responsibility. ******* Keep in mind, not everyone here a collector, nor interested in entering, sorting out and ID'ing DB entries. They prefer just posting on Discussion Page. Database Corrections Page is where you'll find the fellas whom are interested. ***** It would be nice to have some way of identifying whether a collector has watched the entire season of an show and made sure every scene has been added. ******* There is, but it's tedious. Also, some of the early years posts have been taken down, or are sitting over at the old site. I tend to tape a US series until I've ID'd the existing entries. Then move back to following the foreign ones. Again, catching the foreign ones (especially German gals), far more important to the majority of Yank collectors than ID'ng old US shows. Sort of why you have those "gaps" |
Jay L |
Saturday March 05 19:28:33 2005 Major John's Update |
Greetings. Awesome update over at Major John's site. Mucho Kudo's. Thanks to the Major. |
Vlad |
Saturday March 05 20:27:27 2005 Sue Thomas FBI |
I missed the show tonite, but my room-mate Todd
caught a few caps - airs tomorrow night in US. http://www.geocities.com/todd_wanker |
Major John |
http://www.bindher.com |
Saturday March 05 20:40:57 2005 Re: Futuristic Bondage |
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> Anyone know any movies that has futuristic bondage, such > as Star Wars: Episode II? Natalie Portman had such a > short scene there, but she was cute. Does this include alien tentacle/excrescence/goop bondage or gaggage? I saw a cheapo American SF spoof film on TV many years ago, in which a cinema(?) box office lady was quickly wrapped in tentacles or possibly the ribbon-like body of an alien. They covered her mouth and eyes quite tightly, and wrapped several times around her body and arms. Dan me if I can remember the title, and I haven't found it in the DB yet. I'll keep looking, though. An ep of "Dark Skies" had Megan Ward cocooned skin tight in an alien substance that engulfed her from the feet up, finally enclosing her entirely as she was whisked away. This was presumably CGI animation in the latter stages, but very effective as the plastic-like goop appeared to be sucked into her mouth and nose. Mind you, as Tobe Hooper directed that one IIRC, one wonders just how far he went before turning to animation! I've done some fakes on the alien tentacle/stalk/leaf tie theme, in the Star Trek section of the Files on my Yahoo group. Seven of Nine also has some trouble with nanobotic extensions of her Borg implants. :-) In the Photos section, under "Mad Dan's Minimmmphs", there's a small image of Atomic Kitten b&g (sensible ETs) with some sort of semi-sentient alien biomass. Sadly, I've lost the full-size version of that one. :-( |
Mad Dan |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/storiesunbound |
Saturday March 05 21:07:09 2005 Re: Sue Thomas FBI |
Major John wrote:
> I missed the show tonite, but my room-mate Todd > caught a few caps - airs tomorrow night in US. > > http://www.geocities.com/todd_wanker > Thanks for the link ... but, as noted here earlier, the ep in question, "False Profit", airs on the 13th south of the border. |
Biff |
http://epguides.com/suethomasfbeye |
Saturday March 05 21:25:44 2005 Re: Futuristic Bondage |
Snowcat wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > > Anyone know any movies that has futuristic bondage, > such > > as Star Wars: Episode II? A case of a technological device becoming an unwanted restraint is in "This Island Earth", where Faith Domergue is unable to escape from the handgrips of a deceleration damper as the archetypal bug-eyed, naked-brained, claw-handed mutant approaches. She freaks out a treat! |
Mad Dan |
http://groups.yahoo.com/itsamadmadmadmaddan |
Saturday March 05 22:53:52 2005 Many thanks |
I sure am glad that I found this site. You guys are a freakin gold mine of info. The Jay L dvd looks really good. There are some really good scenes there. The Pretender, with Lindsay Felton, was a mom & daughter hostage sitch, if I am remembering right, where Jerod plays SWAT dude (hut..hut...hut,,). Lots 'o good mmppphhing in that one. And the Jake-Fatman clip looks like it has a nice lil' nitie tieup. Anyway, I did find a clip of the B.L Stryker scene with the first DID. It's in the link section of the "Bound & gagged in Hollywood" Yahoo club. The only drawback is that it is Overdubbed in German. I won't complain ,though, as I always appreciate the time & effort someone will put into making a post. And thanks for all the feedback on the nighties & gag-chewing & all those quirky things. |
Didlys_Dunrite |
adamsfall@hotmail.com |
Saturday March 05 23:00:33 2005 Re: Best gag fighting / chewing |
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> > > > > However, in mainstream media, energetic gag-fighting > > > seems to me to occur most often in tape-gag scenes > That's right. Score 1 for the Tape Gag Yes, but this may be due to the prevailing use of the tape gag in mainstream mediums. My guess is that it would have to do with the fact that tape gags are more comfortable for an actress to use than a tight cleaver. But I don't know; all I know is that you can't chew a tape gag. Not that tape is bad - It's better than no gag @ all. |
Didlys_Dunrite |
adamsfall@hotmail.com |
Saturday March 05 23:55:13 2005 Re: Collector DVD's |
Didlys_Dunrite wrote:
> The Jay L dvd looks really > good. There are some really good scenes there. Credit for the DVDs should go to Major John, as he's put all the effort into them DVDs are great. better for collectors than tapes, plus easier to share with our friends in Europe. Figure short while hardly anyone here will have a tape collection left. |
Jay L |
http://www.bindher.com/silentnight/ |
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