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| Monday August 08 00:14:20 2005 Night Court |
| It seems TV Land is having a "Night Court" marathon next Sunday. The Cop and the Lady episode is on at 1pm, CST. Wasn't there another episode, where a burglar ties Harry and Christine back to back? |
| somerset |
| Monday August 08 00:16:06 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| somerset wrote:
> Dario Argento has got to be one of us. Likely his daughter as well |
| Jay L |
| Monday August 08 00:47:19 2005 Re: Night Court |
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>somerset wrote: > It seems TV Land is having a "Night Court" > marathon next Sunday. The Cop and the Lady episode is on > at 1pm, CST. Wasn't there another episode, where a > burglar ties Harry and Christine back to back? It wasn't Harry & Christine. It was Harry & another woman. I think her name was Billie, but I can't swear to that. |
| Jason |
| Monday August 08 01:04:16 2005 Re: Night Court |
| Jason wrote:
> It wasn't Harry & Christine. It was Harry & > another woman. I think her name was Billie, but I can't > swear to that. The actress is Ellen Foley and I believe the scene is from the first season. |
| CM |
| Monday August 08 01:31:59 2005 Re: Night Court |
| Jason wrote:
> > >somerset wrote: > > > It seems TV Land is having a "Night Court" > > > marathon next Sunday. The Cop and the Lady episode is on > > at 1pm, CST. Wasn't there another episode, where a > > burglar ties Harry and Christine back to back? > > It wasn't Harry & Christine. It was Harry & > another woman. I think her name was Billie, but I can't > swear to that. Billie was the first Assist. District Attorney character in the series, played by Ellen Foley. (See URL below.) Markie Post's character was the *2nd* ADA. My memory is foggy, but I recall the scene in question as being rather cute; contrived, like all such comedic DiD-scenes; but cute. :-) Incidently, in that role, so was Ellen Foley (Rock Star *&* actress); *cute*, that is. |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://imdb.com/name/nm0284129/ |
| Monday August 08 03:09:25 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Jay L wrote:
> somerset wrote: > > > Dario Argento has got to be one of us. > > Likely his daughter as well Argento definitely has a bondage thing going on in his head. As for the lovely Asia, I can think of at least four scenes featuring her: 1. Stendahl Syndrome - the tape gag came off way too quick, but she was tied to the bed for a while. 2. Everybody Loves Viola - A nice tape gag, hands bound behind scene. Two good close ups. 3. Love Bites - Duct taped with her legs spread to a bunch of pipes while the bad guy stuffs a black rag in her mouth. 4. Trauma - strapped down to a hospital bed. And let's not forget Asia directed the scene of her friend hog-tied and ballgagged in "Scarlet Diva" Ah....Asia |
| willthebloody |
| Monday August 08 03:15:07 2005 Re: Night Court |
| Van wrote:
> Jason wrote: > > > > > >somerset wrote: > > > > > It seems TV Land is having a "Night > Court" > > > > > marathon next Sunday. The Cop and the Lady > episode is on > > > at 1pm, CST. Wasn't there another episode, > where a > > > burglar ties Harry and Christine back to back? > > > > It wasn't Harry & Christine. It was Harry & > > > another woman. I think her name was Billie, but I > can't > > swear to that. > > Billie was the first Assist. District Attorney character > in the series, played by Ellen Foley. (See URL below.) > Markie Post's character was the *2nd* ADA. My memory is > foggy, but I recall the scene in question as being rather > cute; contrived, like all such comedic DiD-scenes; but > cute. :-) Incidently, in that role, so was Ellen Foley > (Rock Star *&* actress); *cute*, that is. > http://imdb.com/name/nm0284129/ Van, as he almost always is, is both first and totally right. For those who care, and if you have an ounce of rock in your soul, you should.. The album and the artist are both immortal.. Bat Out of Hell by Meatloaf. And one of the many classics therein was Paradise by the Dashboard Lights. Surely one of the greatest song titles ever... take that country music. Mr. Loaf verbally dueled it out with a super sexy, hot female.. and that, gentlemen, was Ellen Foley.. who comically or not, looks terrific tied up. |
| David Knight |
| http://http:www.DavidKnightBondage.com |
| Monday August 08 05:14:19 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Jay L wrote:
> somerset wrote: > > > Dario Argento has got to be one of us. > > Likely his daughter as well The author Dean Koontz may have a penchant for female bondage as well. Several of his novels feature lenghty and vividly described scenes with bound and gagged damsels. Two of the best ones that come to mind occur in "Cold Fire" and "The Voice of the Night". |
| Hadji |
| Monday August 08 05:19:38 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Jay L wrote:
> somerset wrote: > > > Dario Argento has got to be one of us. > > Likely his daughter as well It seems to me that female bondage is a rather frequent occurence in Italian cinema and television. This observation is based on my own personal observations, and has not been scientifically substantiated. Can anyone corroborate this observation, or is it pure conjecture based on an inadequate sample size? Our esteemed colleague Panty might be very well qualified to answer my question. |
| Hadji |
| Monday August 08 07:08:13 2005 Jessica Alba manip template |
| The focus is not that good, but the "costume" and body position is-it looks like her hands are tied behind her by her bikini bottom.
When does Into the Blue come out again? |
| MAV |
| http://img233.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img233&image=jmacwmex0575ls.jpg |
| Monday August 08 07:51:38 2005 Re: Jessica Alba manip template |
| MAV wrote:
> The focus is not that good, but the "costume" > and body position is-it looks like her hands are tied > behind her by her bikini bottom. Jesus. She's a marvel, ain't she? |
| X |
| Monday August 08 09:00:54 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| > It seems to me that female bondage is a rather frequent
> occurence in Italian cinema and television. This > observation is based on my own personal observations, and > has not been scientifically substantiated. I've always wondered about this too. I have a lot of international TV-movie bondage scenes and certain countries just seem to be more prolific than others. It'd be interesting to know what Brent Smith, Fuzz, Rob, Jay and the Major, H and the others with large collections think too, but a quick scan of my lists, in descending order of appearances are: 1. Great Britain (perhaps because those scenes are easier for us to acquire) 2. Germany 3. Mexico/South America 4. Japan 5. Italy 6. Hong Kong 7. Canada (counting shows/movies made there for that market primarily, ie. DaVinci's Inquest) 8. Spain 9. France 10. Phillipines Other countries represented in my collection, but not in overwelming numbers: India, Belgium/Netherlands, (mainland)China, Norway, Sweeden, Portugal, Ireland, Israel. I don't know what that says about the culture of those countries, or people of that ethnicity, and I suppose that isn't a politically correct topic anyway. I used to think it was hot-weather countries, or places with a sensual or emotional reputation (ie. Italy, Mexico) that had the most, but as far as I know Japan isn't a hot place in any sense of that term. The US of course is hugely out front, but I believe that is more a function of the size and global reach of our entertainment industry. |
| Monday August 08 09:03:08 2005 Re: International bondage |
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> I've always wondered about this too. I have a lot of > international TV-movie bondage scenes and certain > countries just seem to be more prolific than others. The preceeding diatribe was by me, BTW. World Cup of Bondage anyone? |
| Frank J |
| skynyd@yahoo.com |
| Monday August 08 10:09:23 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > It seems to me that female bondage is a rather > frequent > > occurence in Italian cinema and television. This > > observation is based on my own personal > observations, and > > has not been scientifically substantiated. I believe there's definitely a difference in attitude between Europeans and English speaking western nations. I recall a show about television ads, where they had 2 women commenting on the erotic nature of various showings. One woman was French, the other from the U.S.A. They viewed an ad that involved a woman tied up in a swimming pool. What struck me is that the French womans only comment was in the way the rope was crossed around the subjects neck. She thought that it may restrict breathing. She didn't seem phased at all by the bondage, almost as if it is a fully accepted erotic practice amongst the general populace, where as the American girl was a little taken by the upfrontness of bondage in what was as far as I could tell, a mainstream television commercial, airing somewhere in the world. I was a bit disapointed that there was no gag, that's all. But the point is, the rope crossing the girls neck was the only thing the French woman objected to. |
| marzman |
| Monday August 08 10:13:54 2005 Man of the House |
| Has anyone seen this movie yet?
Whilst looking around, I found these pics which looks like 4 damsels tied to a staircase (including Monica Keena & Christina Milian!) with plastic cuffs- can anyone confirm/deny that this actually takes place or is it just wishful thinking on my part? http://www.monica-keena.com/caps/mothclips/14.jpg http://www.monica-keena.com/caps/mothclips/15.jpg http://www.monica-keena.com/caps/mothclips/16.jpg http://www.monica-keena.com/caps/mothclips/17.jpg |
| Monday August 08 10:15:01 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| > I've always wondered about this too. I have a lot of
> international TV-movie bondage scenes and certain > countries just seem to be more prolific than others. I'm completing a sort of personal database of scenes all around the world. Since I'm italian I know a lot of italian scenes which are unknown abroad. According to my stats, Italy is the most prolific country in terms of movie scenes (except for USA of course) with more than 300 titles, but it's a little poor in television scenes. Japan is probably the best country in television scenes: I've counted over than 500 scenes, not counting "jidai" ones (the historical ones). Canada is in a good position in both charts; Hong Kong is very strong in movies, but we know too little about its television. Also Great Britain is of course strong in both charts, while Germany is specialized in Tv-movie scenes (almost 200) and is good also in television series. India and Mexico are probably under-rated, because we don't know much about their complete filmography, but Mexico is also good in "telenovela" scenes (the best after USA soaps). The point is that we all know well our country's DID-ology, but the informations we have about the others are still incomplete, though this forum and the relative database are a great help for us all. By Dean1 |
| dean1 |
| Monday August 08 10:15:48 2005 Re: Man of the House |
| even better- there's definitely a scene here- hope there's better angles though..
http://zodcaps.com/zodcapz/misc/man_of_the_house/man_of_the_house_(www.zodcaps.com)_043.jpg |
| Monday August 08 11:59:48 2005 Re: Man of the House |
| > Whilst looking around, I found these pics which looks
> like 4 damsels tied to a staircase (including Monica > Keena & Christina Milian!) with plastic cuffs They're cuffed by Tommy Lee Jones so they can't go out partying (he's a lawman assigned to protect them) |
| Monday August 08 12:05:58 2005 Re: Skeleton Key pics |
| Kate Hudson will be on David Letterman tonight. Perhaps they'll show the scene or she may talk about being gagged and dragged around |
| Monday August 08 12:37:42 2005 Re: Skeleton Key pics |
| You can read the spoiler here. Another example of a DinD who should've had her feet tied |
| http://www.themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/skeletonkey.html |
| Monday August 08 14:40:26 2005 rachel hunter? |
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This post was deleted. Poster: (unsigned poster) Reason: Huge nude images |
| The Moderator |
| Monday August 08 15:12:12 2005 Update |
| Both Jay L's / Major John's sites are updated courtesy of Bindher - all G rated for those sensitive viewers, except of course for maybe Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS, Justine .... |
| Major John |
| silent_night_022003@yahoo.com |
| http://www.bindher.com |
| Monday August 08 15:52:01 2005 Soap Operas |
| Any updates for today? |
| Monday August 08 15:56:56 2005 The Brothers Grimm B&G |
| In Premiere Magazine Sept 05 (Matt Damon cover)on page 70 is a pic from movie with Lena Headey bound and gagged; thick waist ropes and manacles and nice off white cleave gag. Film opens Aug 26th. Looks from pic like it could be a long scene (everyone is arrested and being marched but she's the only one gagged). Another big budget film with a white cleave... excellent! |
| Monday August 08 16:36:57 2005 Re: Soap Operas |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Any updates for today? On Guiding Light, the girl who was kidnapped was seen with her hands cuffed in front to a steering wheel on a boat. No gags as far as I saw. I watched about 30 mins. of the show, so I can't comment on anything else. |
| Bradley316 |
| demonsnow@yahoo.com |
| Monday August 08 17:45:16 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| marzman wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > > > It seems to me that female bondage is a rather > > > frequent > > > occurence in Italian cinema and television. > This > > > observation is based on my own personal > > observations, and > > > has not been scientifically substantiated. > > I believe there's definitely a difference in attitude > between Europeans and English speaking western nations. Thank you all for your prolific and thoughtful responses to my post. I would like to apologize for accidentally triple-posting, and thank you, Mr. Moderator, for not deleting my original post. It seems that my conjecture may be substantiated by a kernel of truth, from the contents of the responses my initial post generated. Female bondage may be a more frequent occurrence in Italian mass media, and in European mass media as well. We can only speculate as to the reason for this, provided it is true. I recall an Italian comic strip whose protagonist was a hero who wore a skintight black costume, and was forever rescuing his love interest, a beautiful woman who wore her hair in a bun. She was almost always bound and gagged when being rescued, and her gag was usually a white strip of tape. This comic strip was made into a movie; I'd consult the voluminous Scene Database, but I can't recall the title. |
| Hadji |
| Monday August 08 18:03:33 2005 Re: Night Court |
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>Van wrote: > Jason wrote: > > > somerset wrote: > > It seems TV Land is having a "Night > Court" > > marathon next Sunday. The Cop and the Lady > episode is on > at 1pm, CST. Wasn't there another episode, > where a > burglar ties Harry and Christine back to back? > > It wasn't Harry & Christine. It was Harry & > > > another woman. I think her name was Billie, but I > can't > > swear to that. > > Billie was the first Assist. District Attorney character > in the series, played by Ellen Foley. (See URL below.) > Markie Post's character was the *2nd* ADA. My memory is > foggy, but I recall the scene in question as being rather > cute; contrived, like all such comedic DiD-scenes; but > cute. :-) Incidently, in that role, so was Ellen Foley > (Rock Star *&* actress); *cute*, that is. > http://imdb.com/name/nm0284129/ Actually, Ellen Foley was a Public Defender, not an ADA. Plus, she wasn't the 1st Public Defender. If memory serves (not 100% sure) an African American woman was the 1st Public Defender on Night Court. This was the 1st year of Night Court, when Dan Fielding wasn't as much of a womanizer, Bull had hair & Selma Diamond chain-smoked her way through the show |
| Jason |
| Monday August 08 18:15:04 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Hadji wrote:
> I recall an Italian comic strip ..... This comic strip > was made into a movie; I'd > consult the voluminous Scene Database, but I can't recall the title. Danger Diabolik. Had a minor scene with a blonde's wrists tied to a headboard. |
| Anubis |
| http://www.anuvids.com |
| Monday August 08 18:16:54 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Hadji wrote:
Female bondage may be a more > frequent occurrence in Italian mass media, and in > European mass media as well. We can only speculate as to > the reason for this, provided it is true. Don't know about reasons, but I remember browsing the "making of" book of the Gwendoline movie in Forbidden Planet (a London SF and fantasy bookshop) back in the '80s. The intro said the film eventually came to be made in France because "le ligotage" was seen there more as a regular part of sexy fun than in the more uptight US and UK. As for bondage in Italian movies, I need only say "Il Vicino di Casa." Sigh..... Just one of many masterly scenes, of course, and Germany has her fair share of extremely well done ones, too. I could circumnavigate the EU with this thread, but that would take all night. :-) |
| Mad Dan |
| Monday August 08 18:19:19 2005 Faster Pussycat Kill Kill |
| By the way, Faster Pussycat Kill Kill (finally) came out on DVD a few weeks ago. I don't recall seeing it mentioned here. |
| Anubis |
| Monday August 08 18:27:54 2005 Re: Update |
| Major John wrote:
> Both Jay L's / Major John's sites are updated courtesy of > Bindher - all G rated for those sensitive viewers, except > of course for maybe Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS, Justine > .... And can I just say what a fantastic update it is, Fabulous clips and quite juicy too. Thank you both |
| moxx of balhoom |
| mike@timelord.wanadoo.co.uk |
| Monday August 08 18:34:31 2005 Re: Man of the House |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
>(including Monica >Keena & Christina Milian!) with plastic cuffs > They're cuffed by Tommy Lee Jones so they can't go out > partying (he's a lawman assigned to protect them) Ahhhhh, man. Christina Milian blows me away, she's ridiculously hot. I'd kill to see her in a full-blown gag scene, though this looks VERY interesting. I'll get on trying to clip the scene. As a gag snob, even I can't resist a tied Milian. |
| X |
| Monday August 08 19:01:32 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
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This post was moved to The Trading Forum. Poster: Lindy Booth Reason: Off-topic. Ask for caps and clips over there |
| The Moderator |
| Monday August 08 19:19:16 2005 Attn: Jessica Alba & Naomi Watts Fans |
| The last pages of the August 15th Globe tabloid has pics of Alba gagged and Watts bound.
Now you can work in backward and avoid "Whom wearing what" etc |
| Jay L |
| Monday August 08 19:30:22 2005 The Thin Man |
| The surprise DVD hit of the summer is this compilation of the film series (nothing on topic here). It includes one episode of the tv series. I remember reading once about a lengthy scene on the tv show, with Nora bound in a car, using her nose to honk the horn, etc. Hopefully the success of the DVD will inspire someone to get the tv show out of the vaults (I think its been on TNT) as there are a number of other scenes as well. |
| ss |
| Monday August 08 19:38:06 2005 Re: Night Court |
| Jason wrote:
> > >Van wrote: > > > > Billie was the first Assist. District Attorney > > character in the series, played by Ellen Foley... > > Actually, Ellen Foley was a Public Defender, not an ADA. You are correct in all respects. I bow to your superior Sitcom-gong-fu. :-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Monday August 08 19:57:10 2005 Re: Night Court |
| Van wrote:
> > > > Actually, Ellen Foley was a Public Defender, not an > ADA. Ellen scene was in Episode 2-12, aka "The Birthday Visitor". |
| civil |
| Monday August 08 20:02:13 2005 Re: A nice collection of caps from The Skeleton Key |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Don't ask how I got em' ;) > Long live Paul ! |
| James |
| jamesfromindia@yahoo.com |
| Monday August 08 20:23:56 2005 katie hudson bound & gagged in skeleton key wmv clip |
| Hi all I have the clip of Katie hudson in skeleton key Bound & gagged I like to share it with you all but not sure how to and where I could upload it to if one of you guys with a DID clip site wants it contact its a 2mb wmv file good quality |
| devilman_uk_2004 |
| devilman_uk_2004@yahoo.co.uk |
| Monday August 08 20:51:01 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Anubis wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > > I recall an Italian comic strip ..... This comic > strip > > was made into a movie; I'd > > consult the voluminous Scene Database, but I can't > recall the title. > > Danger Diabolik. > Had a minor scene with a blonde's wrists tied to a headboard. I don't think this is the movie to which I referred. The movie I recall featured TWO damsels bound and gagged, both of them brunettes. The first one was the heroine, who was bound and gagged with white tape. She was struggling bound and gagged on a bed and being taunted by the villain's female sidekick. She somehow turned the tables on her captor, who wound up bound and gagged herself. |
| Hadji |
| Monday August 08 20:55:18 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Other countries represented in my collection, but not in > overwelming numbers: India, Belgium/Netherlands, > (mainland)China, Norway, Sweeden, Portugal, Ireland, > Israel. Frank, as the resident jewish kid on Brian's Page, I'm definitely interested in knowing of any scenes involving Israeli damsels. Only Israeli DiD I've ever seen was Aliza Gur in the Jack Palance film Kill a Dragon. |
| LV |
| Monday August 08 20:59:26 2005 Re: Night Court |
| David Knight wrote:
> For those who care, and if you have an ounce of > rock in your soul, you should.. The album and the artist > are both immortal.. Bat Out of Hell by Meatloaf. ........ > and that, > gentlemen, was Ellen Foley.. who comically or not, looks terrific tied up. Half agree. Ellen Foley did look terrific tied up, but I would never suggest Meatloaf has anything to do with rock. ;-) |
| LV |
| Monday August 08 21:01:31 2005 OLTL |
| On Thursday, Evangeline allows herself to be hypnotized in an effort to help Natalie. I wonder what they'll have her remember when hypnotized. May be one last chance to see them in their outfits, since Natalie is in a hole and no longer in the outfit. |
| Monday August 08 21:27:08 2005 Re: Attn: Jessica Alba & Naomi Watts Fans |
| Jay L wrote:
> The last pages of the August 15th Globe tabloid has pics > of Alba gagged and Watts bound. > > Now you can work in backward and avoid "Whom wearing > what" etc Anywhere you can find scans of this? And how is Alba gagged? I have no idea if they sell Globe magazines around here so if anyone can scan this please do! |
| Monday August 08 21:58:51 2005 Re: Dario Argento |
| Hadji wrote:
> I don't think this is the movie to which I referred. The > movie I recall featured TWO damsels bound and gagged, > both of them brunettes. The first one was the heroine, > who was bound and gagged with white tape. She was > struggling bound and gagged on a bed and being taunted by > the villain's female sidekick. She somehow turned the > tables on her captor, who wound up bound and gagged > herself. I have this scene on a compilation tape but unfortunately it's one of the "unknown movie" ones I have not been able to ID :-( Good scene though. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Monday August 08 21:59:53 2005 Re: Update |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> Justine > > .... > > And can I just say what a fantastic update it is, > Fabulous clips and quite juicy too. Thank you both Yeah, it doesn't get any better than the Adventures of Justine series of films - a babefest and and then some - do yourself a favor and BEG, BORROW, or STEAL these if you can find them in the video store. |
| Monday August 08 22:01:45 2005 Re: Criminal Minds |
| Rich wrote:
Criminal Minds on CBS on Wednesdays. I do not know when this show starts. ____________________________________ (unsigned poster) wrote: Wednesday night at 9 p.m. on CBS. ____________________________________ (unsigned poster) wrote: Does it start THIS coming Wednesday? Or is it a show premiering sometime this fall?____________________________________ I am not sure what date it starts. The official CBS website did not have the initial date listed. |
| Rich |
| bindherupx@yahoo.com |
| http://bindherupx.net |
| Monday August 08 22:19:08 2005 Paranoid back on DVD at Target |
| Interesting - I found Paranoid (Jessica Alba's tour de force) - at Target -
I remember when this was a 5 buck movie that was in the bargain bin at Best buy, so if you've been wanting it, it's right out front and center now at Target - new packaging that gets Jessica's face/name right out there - terrible story - great scene. RB |
| doc |
| ruXssXbro@gmaXil.com |
| Monday August 08 22:27:58 2005 Rebelde |
| Pretty Dulce Maria had her mouth covered by a man's hand long enough to stifle her high-pitched squeal during today's Rebelde (Univision 3 PM Mon-Fri). |
| Philly Ed |
| Monday August 08 22:30:58 2005 Re: International Bondage |
| > It'd be interesting to know what Brent Smith, Fuzz,
> Rob, Jay and the Major, H and the others with large > collections think I'd add Australia to the list |
| Jay L |
| Monday August 08 22:44:05 2005 Re: Attn: Jessica Alba & Naomi Watts Fans |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Anywhere you can find scans of this? And how is Alba > gagged? I have no idea if they sell Globe magazines > around here What the name of the big grocer in the United States like Dominion? Walgren? Publics? I'd bet the Globe tabloid rack is right at the checkout of those same as Dominion store. The Alba pic is same Into the Blue one posted here. The Watts one from King Kong |
| Jay L |
| Monday August 08 22:58:19 2005 Re: Criminal Minds |
| Rich wrote:
> Rich wrote: > Criminal Minds on CBS on Wednesdays. > I do not know when this show starts. Be careful here as CBS is pulling some silly scheduling to try and get these new shows off the ground. The debut episode is Thursday, Sept. 22, at 10 p.m. (after CSI). From that point, Wednesday nights at 9 p.m. |
| Monday August 08 23:25:57 2005 Re: International Bondage |
| dean1 wrote:
> Hong Kong is very > strong in movies, but we know too little about its > television. TV shows used to be lots of fun. They went into a slump (for us, of course) around 97, but appearing to come out of it. |
| Jay L |
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