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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Saturday March 13 00:40:19 2004 Nestor Burma followup from last week |
| This show was brought up last week, and I said I'll try to post the scenes to my site.
I've added one to tonight's update, and another one will be shown next week. |
| Anubis |
| http://www.bindher.com/vidsdids/ |
| Saturday March 13 01:07:03 2004 PLEASE HELP! |
| Can anyone please post the recent angel scene with amy acker? i know that it has been posted by i thought i had it but someone taped over it. Thanks, it would really be appretiated |
| Bowers |
| Saturday March 13 09:49:13 2004 Re: The Ballad of Bettie Page |
| Here's a less mainstream version. There's a good preview clip with lots of bondage images, plus some stills from the flick.
http://www.bettiepagedarkangel.com/ |
| Trent |
| Saturday March 13 10:49:24 2004 Bettie Page movies |
| > Here's a less mainstream version. There's a good preview clip with lots of bondage images, plus some stills from
the flick. ---- Nice find! Yes, the "Dark Angel" movie (which seems to concentrate on Bettie's Irving Klaw years) is definitely different than the upcoming big-budget Hollywood project to be directed by Mary Harron and starring Gretchen Mol. Since the Dark Angel website indicates its movie has already aired (e.g., at the San Francisco Independent Film Festival in February, in New Orleans, etc.,) I wonder if anyone here caught it. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday March 13 11:39:41 2004 Ballad of Bettie Page |
| I took a look at the web page and my reaction is who cares? The star is Paige Richards who is a commercial bondage model, and not a real attractive one at that. The main girls are mostly girls who have been doing bondage movies and photos for years.
You can pretty much be sure that this movie will suck. The acting will be terrible, the budget will be dirt cheap, the script will be awful. It will have some bondage actresses dressed up like it's the 1950's and the bondage will probably be quite good, but again so what? These are all professional bondage models so you'd expect at least that. This is not the Bettie Page movie most have been waiting for. |
| Saturday March 13 11:40:32 2004 Dark Angel |
| Clearly, the "Dark Angel" film is something of a fetish exercise in disguise, and not really an innocuous indie movie. Paige Richards (Bettie) and Julie Simone are very well-known bondage models. Director "Nico B" and co-star "Dukey Flyswatter" may quite possibly be aliases. Not too sure. ;)
Anyway, isn't this what everyone wanted all along? A bondage movie garnering some degree of exposure outside its niche market? |
| Royler |
| royler20@aol.com |
| Saturday March 13 12:20:48 2004 America's Most Wanted - Possible Scene Tonight? |
| According to the AMW.com website, this is one of the criminals being profiled in tonite's episode:
"Police in Toledo, Ohio say Neil Newmister allegedly raped the wife of one of his friends and is now on the run. Cops say in August 2002, he entered her home through a sliding glass door, he snuck up on her while she slept, duct taped her eyes and hands together, forced her onto the ground and raped her. He then let himself out of the house. She was able to call the police, who found her partially bound with tape. Police found DNA evidence that connected Newmister to the crime." Since the crime description is quite clear, hopefully the actors' re-enactment will have scenes. |
| Saturday March 13 12:53:21 2004 Page |
| Variety explains it all...
Bettie Page: Dark Angel A Cult Epics presentation. Produced by Nico B. Executive producer, James Healey. Directed by Nico B. Screenplay, Carly Adler. With: Paige Richards, Dukey Flyswatter, Jamie Henkin, Christopher Page, Dillon Thomas, Kirsi Sand, Clinton Ehrlich, David Maynard. By DENNIS HARVEY Bettie Page: Dark Angel" purports to be a biography of the 1950s pinup fave and "girly film cutie" who's become a cult icon. But given subject's name appears intentionally misspelled (it's Betty, not "Bettie"), and director Nico B is credited with "original story," all bets regarding authenticity are off. Hopelessly amateur in ways even a slim-to-nil budget can't excuse, this short yet seemingly endless feature might scare up some home-format customers lured by the title. But they'll likely be just as irked as S.F. Indie Fest auds were. An early Playboy Playmate of the Month, glamour model and aspiring actress, Tennessee-raised Page grew popular because she lent a frisky, even wholesome sense of fun to the most unlikely material: Irving Klaw's short reels of bondage, spanking, catfighting etc., which once shocked but now seem charmingly antique. When Klaw exited this semi-shady biz, she quit too, refusing to resurface publicly even once comic books and aficionados made her image retro-chic. (She does license her name for related product sales, however.) While the real lady must have declined participation in this project -- a wise move -- makers must've briefly hoped otherwise, since some materials state story is "narrated by Bettie Page herself." (Barbara Niles is credited with the voiceover.) Concentrating just on her period working for New York City mail order maven Klaw, "Bettie Page" is divided between laborious recreations of those titillating mini-pics -- presumably using the originals was more than the budget could bear -- and banal glimpses of offscreen life. For instance, when Klaw (Dukey Flyswatter) and Page (Paige Richards) end their close working relationship after several years, he explains, "I'm really tired," and she responds, "Well, thanks for everything." That exchange is arguably the emotional climax of the film. Helmer and scenarist (Carly Adler) doesn't seem to have the slightest idea how pacing, camera movement, narrative momentum, character development, et al. work. Production values are bottom-rung, tech aspects shaky.### Royler again. It's actually charming how oblivious this reviewer seems to be as to the true intent of this picture. I applaud everyone on the effort, but it's unfortunate the picture doesn't seem to have any other mission than to titillate fetishists and annoy everyone else. |
| Royler |
| Royler20@aol.com |
| Saturday March 13 14:32:27 2004 Page movie |
| > Royler again. It's actually charming how oblivious this reviewer seems to be as to the true intent of this picture.
I applaud everyone on the effort, but it's unfortunate the picture doesn't seem to have any other mission than to titillate fetishists and annoy everyone else. ---- Thanks for your investigative work + cut & pasting. I also have to take the Variety's reviewer opinion with a grain of salt, since he seems unaware that both "Bettie" and "Betty" were used; and "Bettie" is the spelling more often seen. And we gotta applaud the gumption of a small company scratching together the money needed to produce even a low-budget IFC entry, on a topic unlikely to recoup them a profit from mainstream release. Let's be realistic -- we're not gonna find anytime soon a major movie studio that'd finance a movie *solely* on Bettie's Irving Klaw years, nor by the end of the decade will an A-List actress appear thru much of a movie in a collar & leash, harness gag, the receiving end of a hairbrush, etc. So we should be happy with what we can get for now. I mean, it's been thirty years since the "Ginger" trilogy (which is among the last ambitious bondage/fetish packaged for mainstream theatrical release that I can recall), and they're popular with Brian's Pagers despite their low-budget, lack of big-name actresses, minimal acting, and even weaker "fight" sequences. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Saturday March 13 14:34:26 2004 real movie??? |
| Record number: 9880
Title: Blood Diner Two Medium: Movie Actress: Unknown Description: The sequel is even better than the original where DIDs are concerned. A total of three girls get b and g'd, and another is tied, not gagged, in just her underwear. The first scene is about a half an hour in, when a beautiful brunette is snatched while walking home and chloroformed. She is next seen tied to a chair and tape-gagged. Later on, a blonde is tied to a folding chair in just hear bra and panties. Later, the bad guy goes to pick up his date. He first chloroforms the roommate. When his date walks in and sees her roommate lying knocked out on the couch, she bends over to exam her, only to get chloroformed herself. Both girls are tied to chairs, arms to armrests, and tape gagged. We later see one of the girls handcuffed to a moving platform. Great stuff. I couldn't find anything on this in the IMDB or on a few web seaches. is this a Phoney?? |
| Snowcat |
| Saturday March 13 14:34:38 2004 Re: Page |
| Royler wrote:
> Royler again. It's actually charming how oblivious this > reviewer seems to be as to the true intent of this > picture. I applaud everyone on the effort, but it's unfortunate the picture doesn't seem to have any other mission than to titillate fetishists and annoy everyone else. Perhaps the reviewer got it more than we think - how tremendously boring these highly staged bondage scenes really are - probably accounts for the interest in mainstream bondage scenes from TV/movies, etc... I certainly prefer the latter. |
| Film Fan |
| Saturday March 13 15:42:17 2004 Re: Page |
| Film Fan wrote:
> Perhaps the reviewer got it more than we think - how > tremendously boring these highly staged bondage scenes > really are - > probably accounts for the interest in mainstream bondage > scenes from TV/movies, etc... I certainly prefer the latter. I agree about highly staged bondage scenes being boring. The big reason I like scenes from TV shows/movies is that they have a context behind them, and also are fairly "innocent" as such. Even if a director tossed in a bondage scene (within context of the story) because they were into it themselves, I'd still consider it "innocent" in that it could be interpreted as an appropriate part of the story, and yet enjoyed for possibly other reasons. |
| Jazz411 |
| jazz411@ptd.net |
| Saturday March 13 15:58:22 2004 Lover's Prayer (aka. All Forgotten) |
| Just came across a Kirsten Dunst scene in the DB that has peaked my interest. Ms. Dunst has her hands "convicingly" bound above her head and "makes a great damsel in distress". Has anyone seen, capped , or clipped this scene? Ms. Dunst has six hits in the DB, and that seems to be a great trend for someone her age. She likes it, she really likes it!! |
| tripper |
| Saturday March 13 16:33:44 2004 Re: real movie??? |
| Snowcat wrote:
"Record number: 9880 Title: Blood Diner Two I couldn't find anything on this in the IMDB or on a few web seaches. is this a Phoney??" ___________ Okay, heard enough. Pulled it from Database. |
| Jay L |
| Saturday March 13 18:39:10 2004 Re: Lover's Prayer (aka. All Forgotten) |
| tripper wrote:
> Just came across a Kirsten Dunst scene in the DB...Dunst has her hands "convicingly" bound above her head and > "makes a great damsel in distress". Has anyone > seen, capped , or clipped this scene?... I've seen the movie on cable & I've taped the scene of interest. I have no way of capping it, but the movie shows up pretty frequently on several of the digital cable channels -- WE, Bravo, perhaps the Encore channels, etc. It IS a very nice little scene that lasts about 30 seconds, and Kirsten D. makes a splendid DiD who really might 'enjoy' the role. FYI, the DB entry is wrong in one respect: In all of the versions I've seen [w/o commercials], the scene pops up around 25 minutes in, NOT 40 minutes as indicated in the DB. |
| Overlooker |
| Saturday March 13 18:43:36 2004 Re: Page |
| Film Fan wrote:
> Perhaps the reviewer got it more than we think - how > tremendously boring these highly staged bondage scenes > really are - We're wandering off-topic here, let's confine commentary to the movie itself. |
| The Moderator |
| Saturday March 13 22:20:23 2004 ATWT |
| Can anyone post caps of the scene on Friday from ATWT? |
| Saturday March 13 22:37:11 2004 Crossing Jordan this Friday |
| Here's the description for the episode airing Friday 3/19 at 9:00pm Central.
"Armed men kidnap pathology resdent Devan (Jennifer Finnigan) who is trying to notify a man's wife of his murder." Perhaps "Crossing Jordan" can do right off the bat what "Bold and The Beautiful" failed to do in three years. Tie up Jennifer Finnigan! Crossing Fingers. |
| CM |
| Saturday March 13 23:31:43 2004 Re: The Ballad of Bettie Page |
| Trent wrote:
> Here's a less mainstream version. There's a good preview > clip with lots of bondage images, plus some stills from > the flick. > > http://www.bettiepagedarkangel.com/ Thanks for the fascinating link. I don't know that's it's a standard commercial video, and I don't know that it's mainstream. Seems kind of like a hybrid B-movie kinda deal, like Staci Burke was contemplating at one time with her "Danger Island" series, which I didn't get off the ground that I know of. |
| pat powers |
| Saturday March 13 23:34:03 2004 Re: Ballad of Bettie Page |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I took a look at the web page and my reaction is who > cares? The star is Paige Richards who is a commercial > bondage model, and not a real attractive one at that. The > main girls are mostly girls who have been doing bondage > movies and photos for years. I'm sorry, but Paige Richards looked just great in the photos I saw. She had a fresh-faced look that came closer to Betty Page's look than most mainstream actress' attempts to imitate Paige. |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday March 13 23:37:51 2004 Re: Dark Angel |
| > Anyway, isn't this what everyone wanted all along? A
> bondage movie garnering some degree of exposure outside > its niche market? Exactly. If they play their cards right, I can see this one gaining acceptance as a B-movie. That's certainly the way the website is set up -- it doesn't look much like any promo for a commercial bondage film I've seen, which tend to focus entirely on the bondage. |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday March 13 23:43:01 2004 Re: America's Most Wanted - Possible Scene Tonight? |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Since the crime description is quite clear, hopefully the > actors' re-enactment will have scenes. Based on the non-discussion, I assume no scenes turned up? |
| Saturday March 13 23:46:22 2004 Re: Page |
| > Royler wrote:
> Variety explains it all... > I applaud everyone on the effort, but it's unfortunate > the picture doesn't seem to have any other mission than > to titillate fetishists and annoy everyone else. The fact that the reviewer didn't tumble to the fact that he was watching a film made by commercial bondage enthusiasts is very telling, I think. As for the production values, I'll reserve judgement. I've been watching "Snakehead Terror" on SciFi tonight, and I just can't see Dark Angel being worse than a movie that consists almost entirely of people screaming and shaking rubber fish. The B-movie provenance covers a multitude of sins. |
| Pat Powers |
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