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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Friday May 20 00:17:39 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Overlooker wrote:
> The scene's a gem, even though there's no bondage. > So, to Mr. Moderator I ask, is this On-Topic for purposes > of making an entry in the DB? Our policy is that there has to be some effort at restraint. My opinion is that simple carries don't meet that standard. I know that we allow "hand-gag only" scenes, where there's no physical tie-up, but those are at the extreme range of acceptibility. |
| Brian R |
| Friday May 20 00:20:43 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Legend of the Wolf wrote:
> Okay, do scenes with only handgags count as > "bondage" scenes? Yes, although I might have laid out the rules differently in the beginning if I'd been thinking about RULES and such. They're too many and the scenes are reasonably popular. > nor do I think > cops handcuffing a damsel count, either. Those do. > Does a guy > blindfolding a girl count, like leading her into a > surprise party or something like that? No. |
| Brian R |
| Friday May 20 00:41:37 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Brian R wrote:
> Overlooker wrote: > > > The scene's a gem, even though there's no bondage. > > > So, to Mr. Moderator I ask, is this On-Topic for > purposes > > of making an entry in the DB? > > Our policy is that there has to be some effort at > restraint. My opinion is that simple carries don't meet > that standard. I know that we allow "hand-gag > only" > scenes, where there's no physical tie-up, but those > are at the extreme range of acceptibility. ...I have no problem with the ruling because I figured it was no better than 50-50 that the scene was admissable for DB purposes. Looking again at my taped version, I find that the closest it comes to restraint is that Mitchum holds one of Angie's arms as he totes her out of the saloon. But trust me, folks, when I say it's delightful stuff. ...As for Jay L's mention of Mark [??] and his 'Damsel-Toted-Over-the-Shoulder Website', unfortunately I don't have any capping or scanning capability. I can only advise Mark to be on the lookout for this gem when it plays on a cable station near him. |
| Overlooker |
| Friday May 20 00:51:08 2005 CSI |
| I'm probably wrong, but the blondes look like Britany Spears. I see there are quite a number of cameos in this episode so I wouldn't be surprised if it is and they just used some camera "magic" to make it look like two girls.
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| Friday May 20 01:22:53 2005 Re: West Coast Alert |
| Wavy wrote:
> Tonight's 'CSI' has a brief but very nice glimpse of > two blondes gagged back to back... Two, alright. The preview clip only had one huh? Hope that clip for "Medium" turns out better than the CSI one. |
| Jay L |
| Friday May 20 01:30:04 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Overlooker wrote:
> ...As for Jay L's mention of Mark [??] and his > 'Damsel-Toted-Over-the-Shoulder Website' Found it [Homepage] Take it over there and you'll make some friends |
| Jay L |
| http://www.geocities.com/marktape/marktape_yahoo_homepage.html |
| Friday May 20 04:18:07 2005 Re: West Coast Alert |
| Is this happening on CSI, CSI:NY or their poor poor cousin CSI:Miami?.
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| Triple X |
| Friday May 20 06:48:55 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Legend of the Wolf wrote:
I, personally, > don't consider just a handgag as a scene, The damsel is immobilised and silenced, and she struggles and pulls faces as if gagged by other means. How is that not a bondage scene? Only the nature of the bonds is different. >nor do I think > cops handcuffing a damsel count, either. Commonplace to universal, even standard, in the USA, but rare enough to be newsworthy in the UK. > I would not include > cartoon scenes either. Or, by the same criteria, the still artwork of Bishop, Willie, Dea, Alcazar and all the other non-photographic luminaries of bondage illustration. Either way, a damsel gets tied up in a fictional situation; as long as it's well done, what does it matter whether the scene is drawn or photographed? Ars gratia artis, I say! |
| Phimophilus |
| Friday May 20 08:43:54 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
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> The damsel is immobilised and silenced, and she struggles > and pulls faces as if gagged by other means. How is that > not a bondage scene? Only the nature of the bonds is > different. > > >nor do I think > > cops handcuffing a damsel count, either. > > I would not include > > cartoon scenes either. > > Or, by the same criteria, the still artwork of Bishop, > Willie, Dea, Alcazar and all the other non-photographic > luminaries of bondage illustration. Either way, a damsel > gets tied up in a fictional situation; as long as it's > well done, what does it matter whether the scene is drawn > or photographed? Ars gratia artis, I say! AS for handgags, and I stated "just handgags, no other restraint", I personally don't see the bondage in it. I think for it to count as bondage, the hands should be restrained by some means, other than someone's hands. Hell, just holding hands walking down the street could be considered a form of restraint! For me to count it as a real scene, there has to be some level of force, and there are plenty of handgags that don't have it. By just letting handgags count, each time they model lipstick on one of the shopping channels and touch the lips to show it won't rub off, the database would be overun. As for cartoons, and not the artistic drawings of those (and others) that you mentioned, I have never found cartoons sexually arousing, and, for me, bondage is a sexual thing. I like my restraint to seem realistic, and while I see the artistic merit and talent in the drawings, they are not a favorite media of mine. For that matter, I'm not really a fan of fakes either, but they do fill a need for damsels that we don't generally get the chance to see tied up. I understand other people may feel different about it, and what makes this "hobby" (if it can be called that!) so enjoyable to so many different people is the many varieties out there. |
| Legend of the Wolf |
| Friday May 20 09:48:24 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Legend of the Wolf wrote:
> > AS for handgags, and I stated "just handgags, no > other restraint", I personally don't see the bondage > in it. I think for it to count as bondage, the hands > should be restrained by some means, other than someone's > hands. Absolutely; the damsel has to be prevented from removing the handgag, though I think another person's hands do constitute restraint. Agreed, if it doesn't look firm enough to do the job, it's no gag at all... but then there's the interminable leather gloved job inflicted on Lee Remick in that Blake Edwards movie. That is a serious GAG, man! > Hell, just holding hands walking down the street > could be considered a form of restraint! Why would people do that if not to symbolise a bond, a link, an emotional tie (don't get me started on etymology!) between them? Yes, of course, that's way below the radar for this site! :-) >For me to count > it as a real scene, there has to be some level of force, > and there are plenty of handgags that don't have it. Again, I agree. Trouble is, the DB can't establish a line below which it's not worth bothering. I think reviewers should, and usually do, express an opinion on the convincingness of a scene. > As for cartoons, and not the artistic drawings > of those (and others) that you mentioned, A skilful caricature is as valid a work of art as a literal rendering. Some animated bondage is convincing or emotionally engaging, most of it less so, but where exactly is the quality demarcation? It can't be for the Moderator to establish an arbitrary one, surely. I have never > found cartoons sexually arousing, and, for me, bondage is > a sexual thing. To film makers and thriller writers it's nearly always only a means of keeping a character still and/or quiet, usually in a menacing situation. Anything a viewer derives from it in addition is highly subjective. This site's brief, if I read it correctly, is to document and discuss bondage scenes in the mainstream meda; the only proviso alluding in any way to sex is that the prisoners should be female and adult. >I understand other people may feel > different about it, and what makes this "hobby" > (if it can be called that!) so enjoyable to so many different people is the many varieties out there. That's true, and it translates as a plea for inclusiveness rather than the exclusiveness you seemed to be arguing for in the first place. :-) |
| Phimophilus |
| Friday May 20 12:52:13 2005 Shobna Gulati interview |
| Ms Gulati was on a UK daytime talk show discussing her extended DiD scenes in "Coronation Street".
She demonstrated how she recorded the mmmmphing using her forearm as a gag, and revealed she'd been cuffed and taped for hours, having to be carried around the studio. Full description in General Forum at Rob's Damsels (see Friends' Pages for link.) FOR UK VIEWERS, PAUL O'GRADY SHOW REPEATED TONIGHT (FRIDAY) AT 0255 ON ITV 1. |
| Mad Dan |
| Friday May 20 16:21:45 2005 New Clips in PantyDiDCap site |
| W the Chloroform! |
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| PantyDiDcap |
| info@PantyDiDCap.com |
| http://www.Pantydidcap.com |
| Friday May 20 16:48:17 2005 megan follows |
| That scene with Megan Follows, is that in the original CSI,
CSI Miami, or CSI NY. I thought I had seen all of the originals but none of the 2nd raters. I've always wanted to see the one in littlest hobo but never have. Don 't Tell me I missed this one on CSI |
| Friday May 20 18:42:40 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Over the shoulder carries.Alerts,video downloads,picture updates..If bondage happens it's included but that isn't our interest..Sometimes the scenes have several aspects."Young Billy Young" is great for us but I can see why it didn't make the short list over here.:-) |
| Wayne |
| http://community.webtv.net/wayne3750/doc |
| Friday May 20 20:08:34 2005 Re: The Watcher |
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> Can anyone think of actresses who've been bound and > gagged and have also placed in major beauty pageants? We really can't forget a MISS AMERICA 1955 herself! Title: Batman (1966) Medium: Movie Actress: Lee Meriwether Description: Quickly made feature to cash in on the TV series. Catwoman (Lee Meriwether) plays the bait as her alter ego to lure Bruce Wayne (Adam West/Batman) into a trap. The plan includes tying her ankles and her wrists behind her back. She's lying on a bed, and Bruce Wayne keeps her company. Some struggling. Later, Batman uses his batcuffs on her. She's never gagged. The first scene's around the 50' mark (without commercials); the cuffing comes in about 95' in. (The ankles may or may not be tied. When she's lifted onto the bed, her ankles stay together, though I couldn't see whether they were bound [she's wearing a long skirt]; but a later closer shot shows no ropes.) I believe she is the only MISS AMERICA to get the treatment on screen. I amsure if I am wrong, somebody will correct me! |
| Legend of the Wolf |
| Friday May 20 20:11:45 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
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> > That's true, and it translates as a plea for inclusiveness rather than the exclusiveness you seemed to be arguing for in the first place. :-) I really wasn't argueing anything, I merely wanted to state my opinion, and if any one took it as arguing, I apologise. |
| Legend of the Wolf |
| Friday May 20 20:31:31 2005 Re: "Young Billy Young": On-Topic or No?? |
| Legend of the Wolf wrote:
> > I really wasn't argueing anything, I merely wanted to > state my opinion, and if any one took it as arguing, I apologise. No need, mate. I meant "arguing" in the sense of proposing something or seeking clarification from a certain point of view, not disputing, as it seems to have come to mean. We actually agree on most aspects, anyway, and if our discussion has helped anyone, that's a good thing. |
| Phimophilus |
| Friday May 20 20:35:55 2005 Re: arguing |
| Phimophilus wrote:
Sorry, but I just realised how Pythonic this thread was coming to sound. No it doesn't. Yes it does. Doesn't. Does. LOL. Peace, bro. :-) |
| Phimophilus |
| Friday May 20 20:44:59 2005 Candice Rialson in Hollywood Boulevard scene? |
| I was searching for something else on Amazon.com when I came across the dvd and a half remembered scene made me order it, but now I'm not sure if the scene was in this movie or one of her other movies. I haven't seen the film in a long long time, but she was pinned to the ground in a projection booth and tangled up in movie film? Can anyone clarify this because I was sure I'd seen her tied up in either this movie or another movie. |
| Drive-in-man |
| Friday May 20 20:47:29 2005 Re: Over the Shoulder Carries- On-Topic or No?? |
| Wayne wrote:
> Over the shoulder carries.Alerts,video > downloads,picture updates One of us passing around the Maju Ozawa (sp?) one may want to pass it over to Wayne here. As sure she's flipped over the shoulder right after being lassoed |
| Jay L |
| Friday May 20 22:19:59 2005 West Coast alert |
| There's a minor scene in the Muppet's Wizard of Oz movie on ABC tonight. Ashanti as Dorothy is captured in a net and slung between flying motorcycles. At the witch's castle, she's shackled to a table (along with Toto the shrimp) where the witch plans to use a large buzzsaw to cut off Dorothy's feet to retrieve the shoes. She's rescued by the Munchkin rats.
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| Brian R |
| Friday May 20 22:53:30 2005 Re: arguing |
| Phimophilus wrote:
> Sorry, but I just realised how Pythonic this thread was > coming to sound. No it doesn't. Yes it does. Doesn't. > Does. LOL. Splunge |
| Luigi Vercotti |
| Friday May 20 23:40:49 2005 Bondage in Novels |
| Are there any websites that contain a database, list, etc. of female bondage in novels? Something similar to this one, but focused on print instead of TV/Video? I've searched myself, and all I found was a dead link to Mr. Irony's B/D Library.
Thanks in advanced. |
| dsman |
| dsman24@yahoo.com |
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