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| Tuesday September 26 01:42:59 2006 blah blah blah |
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This post was deleted. Poster: Ben Reason: Let's keep the comments about lawyers out of the discussion. There's a good chance that some readers are lawyers, related to, or married to lawyers. OK? |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday September 26 07:19:41 2006 "A Escrava Isaura" |
| Hi There,
I am currently doing some research on the 2004 remake of "Escrava Isaura".It is a Brazilian, Portuguese language, historical drama serial. The 1976 version had several scenes icluding one particular classic of fond memory! I have come across pictures from the 2004 version relating to at least three scenes of interest.Imdb states that the series is 167 eps long and has no end date!! I have no idea if the serial is still running or what....? The link immediately below has a pic of the heroine having a roll in the hay! http://ofuxico.uol.com.br/Materias/Noticias/noticia_5865.htm The Flash intro to te starring actress' site below has a fleeting image of her manacled to a post and another one of her wearing a brank style gag. http://www.biancarinaldi.com.br/ Handgagged.... http://shw.fotopages.com/5468726.html Manacled to whipping post... http://www.vermelho.org.br/diario/2005/0330/0330_teledramaturgia-sp.asp Second last pic in gallery is another one of her roll in the hay.... http://www.venevision.net/programas/index.asp?id_programa=200507200001# Does anyone here know anything more about this serial....? |
| Kenny |
| kenneth962@gmail.com |
| Tuesday September 26 07:45:28 2006 Prison Break (10/2) - Set Your VCRs |
| Did anyone catch next week's preview of Prison Break last night? It showed one of the escapes (T-Bag) handgagging the hot middleage blonde home owner, just as the young lady cop enters the room and pulls her gun. Definately worth a look. |
| Lex |
| Tuesday September 26 11:50:15 2006 Re: Prison Break (10/2) - Set Your VCRs |
| Show looks like it's going to be a putzfest
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| Tuesday September 26 11:53:57 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| Dannysuling wrote:
> 1. Copyright infringement cases, when they go to trial, > are usually jury trials. And juries can be unpredictable. > Very. No matter what the precedent, a jury can be swayed > by a good argument, and therefore a good attorney. Juries don't make any legal rulings, they just mull over the facts and credibility of the evidence- therefore, precedents and juries don't necessarily intersect. But only a jury is empowered to decide, > ultimately, whether an alleged infringement does violate > "look and feel." No. That isn't true. Think about it- that would mean there are no consistent standards at all- you would never know what the law is until a jury got hold of your specific issues. > > 5. Context is everything in these situations. Please > repeat that to yourself: context is everything. In law? No, not always. There are obviously some bright line rules out there. > > Example 1: Person A takes Person B's movie and edits it > to include a DiD scene that was cut from the original > release but was preserved by a savvy scavenger from the > studio's dumpster. Person A tries to market the entire > film, including the added scene. Most juries would find > this an egregious infringement of copyright, Again, I think you are confused about the role of a jury. What A is doing probably would never even reach a jury- what facts are there for them to decide? You can't sell someone else's work. That's a legal question for a judge- not a factual one for a jury. It doesn't matter if person A also sold > copies of the originally released film, with proceeds > going to the copyright owners. That issue would be > irrelevant. I think that's true. > > Example 2: Person A inserts footage derived from > someplace other than the original film's footage, and > tries to market the result for profit. Again, most juries > would take into account that the larger context--the > original film--was still the vehicle for displaying the > added scenes. The overall "look and feel" would > still be too overwhelming, and would be seen as a > violation. I think your conclusion is right, but again, I think it would not reach a jury. This is another good case for summary judgment (dismissal without further trial). > Example 3: Person A intersperses 30 seconds of DiD > footage derived from someplace else into 30 seconds of > footage of the original film, with cels highly edited, > and tries to sell that to the public. Can't sell someone else's work. There are two possible issues here- if you are reasonably QUOTING someone else's work, the Supreme Court has ruled you can do that, that's not a violation. In that case, for the sake of your legal argument, the less you quote the better- obviously, "quoting" and entire book is bad, while maybe only using a few words or a short passage is going to be okay. Or, on the flip side, you CAN add some extra material, but you don't own the part you didn't create- therefore, you can't sell it. For that legal argument to be better, you would want to create as much new as possible, but even then, it's probably a losing argument. |
| Lawyer guy |
| Tuesday September 26 11:59:16 2006 Re: New media presents new opportunities |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> And if you are just re-packaging it and there is no > restriction on that then it is ok. No, not in the US. That's not the rule here. I don't know about the UK. You own what you create- you don't own the rights to a movie by putting it in a different box. A few years ago in > the UK books would always specifically include text that > said that they may NOT be offered for sale in any other > cover. I have not seen the equivalent text on DVDs here in the USA That admonition isn't necessary here. You are protected from "repackaging" (theft) without it. |
| lawyer guy |
| Tuesday September 26 12:04:27 2006 Re: blah blah blah |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> Perhaps I am a cynical fellow, but I strongly suspect > that since with every "extras" video a new copy > of the original movie is sold, many filmmakers -- and > more importantly the studios that distribute their films > -- will somehow swallow their pride in exchange for all > those lovely $$$ that would enliven their bank accounts. Sure. You can always make a deal where there is $$$ involved. That wouldn't change the law itself. The value of the law here is clear- the copyright infringers NEED to negotiate with the creators, because they are liable for damages if they don't. If the law was relaxed, the creators would have no say, no leverage, no nothing. That wouldn't make sense. > > I know that if someone wanted to do a "no > bondage" or "all circus clowns" version of > "Karg" or "Siren7" and a new copy's > sale went to me every time one of their versions was > sold, I'd quite happily pocket the money. But then, I'm a liberal kinda guy. Yeah, but again, if the law was different- no one would have to give you a dime, right? So the law is good like it is. If you want to make a deal, make a deal- fine. But no one should just take other people's work if they feel like it. |
| A lawyer with bad hair that also put some money on the 49ers. |
| Tuesday September 26 12:36:29 2006 Re: Prison Break (10/2) - Set Your VCRs |
| Lex wrote:
> Did anyone catch next week's preview of Prison Break last > night? It showed one of the escapes (T-Bag) handgagging > the hot middleage blonde home owner Unlikely anything will happen, but I'd like to see the female cop B&G before the blonde, who I didn't find that attractive at all. Unlikely anything will happen except some pushing and running since the rest of the cops are right behind. The Sarah Wayne Callies character could be in more trouble. Her dad exposed the guy hanging around her trying to track Schofield. Once he finds out he's exposed, he could take her hostage as bait to draw out Schofield. |
| Tuesday September 26 12:44:54 2006 You Tube |
| Italian TV comedy show where Clockwork-Orange type pair tie and gag female celebrities |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byPHE1EdU2A |
| Tuesday September 26 12:45:28 2006 Re: You Tube |
| Part 2
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7wpAA0yR9o |
| Tuesday September 26 12:45:59 2006 Re: You Tube |
| Part 3 |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDag27dAG9c |
| Tuesday September 26 13:05:41 2006 Days Of Our Lives - Jamie Lynn Bauer |
| When did this B&G scene occur? Not in the DB |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Xmwum2Ta4 |
| Tuesday September 26 13:26:01 2006 Re: Days Of Our Lives - Jamie Lynn Bauer |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> When did this B&G scene occur? Not in the DB > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Xmwum2Ta4 I'd noticed an incongruity with the database descriptions, too, a long time ago. I believe this is--or is related to--database entry 4964. It doesn't fit the description exactly, but the key characters are here. Can anyone else clarify? Thanks |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday September 26 13:35:51 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| "Lawyer guy" wrote a bunch of stuff in response to a long post of mine on copyright. Here's my reply:
1. I never argue with a lawyer, even if I disagree. It's like arguing with a cop. Don't try it. So if you really are one, Lawyer Guy, you'll understand why I'm not debating any of your points. 2. My guess is that I must have stated my own main position badly, mostly because you didn't address it at all, so I'll try once more: a. copyright law is currently in a state of flux, and all the experts I've been reading don't really know what's going to happen in the near future--because of the digitizing technology and resulting global accessibility to everything. b. Because current copyright law is unstable and doesn't reflect the technological reality, precedents carry less sway, and those cases that go to jury trial are less easily predicted. This is especially the case with entertainment infringements. At this point, it seems relevant to suggest that we might continue this non-DiD discussion on a different forum. Moderator, any guidelines? Thanks |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday September 26 14:24:55 2006 Re: Desperate? |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Read in the paper a somewhat spoiler on the Desperate > Housewives series. > "In the near future scenes, the Kyle > McGlaglin(spelling) charecter will be the new mystery, > and there will be a HOSTAGE senario" > The paper did not specify who the hostage is or in what > circumstance it will be in (ie. bank robbery, home, > work) > does anyone else have anything more they can add to this I read something about them having a hostage situation in a supermarket. I doubt this will produce a scene for us but it's not impossible. |
| CD |
| Tuesday September 26 14:35:58 2006 Standoff possible |
| Tonight at 9 p.m. on Fox. Lead female gets taken hostage during a holdup. Hopefully, she'll get cuffed and taped. Early shows show her as pretty mouthy character. |
| Tuesday September 26 14:41:08 2006 Evangeline Lilly |
| Evangeline Lilly is scheduled to be on "The Tonight Show" tomorrow night. Perhaps she'll mention her current DiD status on "Lost" or play a tape of some new footage of it in the season premiere episode. |
| Tuesday September 26 15:22:47 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| Dannysuling wrote:
> a. copyright law is currently in a state of flux, and all > the experts I've been reading don't really know what's > going to happen in the near future-- No one ever does. Almost all of law is in a state of flux, always. Copyright law will evolve, no doubt, to accomodate the new technologies. But some basic stuff isn't going to change. I doubt if any new technology is going to make the outright stealing of someone's work acceptable. The evolution is going to come by way of letting consumers have greater flexibility in using and accumulating the works, not in having them resold for a profit. > b. Because current copyright law is unstable and doesn't > reflect the technological reality I don't see how it's unstable. I don't know exactly what you are referring to. |
| a lawyer guy |
| Tuesday September 26 16:04:13 2006 Re: Days Of Our Lives - Jamie Lynn Bauer |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> When did this B&G scene occur? Not in the DB > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Xmwum2Ta4 'This video has been removed due to terms of use violation' comes up now in a matter of hours. They must have a monitor for this page. |
| J Ashcroft |
| Tuesday September 26 16:13:32 2006 Tori Spelling |
| Dressed as a dominatrix with a pseudo-gag at the end |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnD3RzP3C0c |
| Tuesday September 26 16:17:37 2006 Heroes |
| Anything on that new NBC series Heroes last night? Even a handgag? |
| Rob |
| Tuesday September 26 17:49:08 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| KCS wrote:
> If you really wanna know, the DID is scheduled to undergo > an artificial insemination to become the surrogate mother > for a young couple's baby (That's who she's talking about > at the beginning of the scene). The villainess wants to > be the surrogate mom instead so she poses as a doctor, > choloros and ties up Ms. Robertson, and tries to > impersonate her so she'll be the one who gets the > operation. Hey, you asked.... Thanks to everyone who answered this question. It makes sense now, what was bugging me was i couldn't think why the girl would want to take a medical examination in another woman's place. Seemed mad to me. This at least is vaguely plausible, You know i wonder if there's any chance some of your soap writers could come over to the UK and take on scripting responsibility for our shows, we never get plots like that. |
| moxx of balhoom |
| Tuesday September 26 17:56:13 2006 Re: Heroes |
| Rob wrote:
> Anything on that new NBC series Heroes last night? Even a > handgag? Nope. Nothing happened. The show, like many others, has great potential for scenes. However, let us hope that the series makes it to that point. |
| Bradley316 |
| demonsnow@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday September 26 18:08:31 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> > You know i wonder if there's any chance some of your > soap writers could come over to the UK and take on > scripting responsibility for our shows, we never get plots like that. Have the writers spend some time in Florida, North Carolina, Tx. We've got lots of real life material to choose from. I know. I live in one those states. I'll apologize ahead of time for being off topic. |
| Lyter |
| Tuesday September 26 18:55:35 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> UK shows > we never get plots like that. I'll reply over on Trades ==> For abit of Mod-free humour |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday September 26 20:02:55 2006 Re: Heroes |
| Bradley316 wrote:
> Nope. Nothing happened. The show, like many others, has > great potential for scenes. However, let us hope that the > series makes it to that point. Just in general, I hope many of these shows survive and usher back in an age of crime/drama/action shows. The last few years of reality shows and CSI clones seemed like the end for us DiD lovers. Thank goodness a serialized drama like "24" became a hit that spawned others like last season's "Prison Break" and this season's "Vanished" as well as similarly themed shows on other networks. Even though a Sci Fi drama like "Surface" didn't survive, let's hope "Heroes" sparks a renewed interest in science fiction shows. |
| MadFish |
| Tuesday September 26 20:14:46 2006 Telenovela Update |
| Just saw the promo for the finale of "El Precio De Tu Amor" on next Monday AM (see alert for details). Excellent scene with the lead actress.
Replacing it on Tuesday will be "Infierno en el Paraiso" - which had an even better scene in it's finale (and stars the hot redhead Alicia Machado). Appears that the late night Univision telenovelas are shown again about a year later on Telefutura in the early morning slot (Univision owns Telefutura I believe). |
| Caesar |
| Tuesday September 26 22:11:55 2006 Bettie Page |
| The DVD was released today with nothing more than what is listed in the dB- though I will take a ball-gagged Gretchen Mol any day of the week.
The only good DVD extra is the original Bettie in color taking her clothes off, but nothing of specific interest for us. Good movie too. |
| Soapfan |
| Tuesday September 26 23:04:35 2006 Re: Days Of Our Lives - Jamie Lynn Bauer |
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This post was moved to The Bulletin Board. Poster: MIGpics Reason: Off-topic. |
| The Moderator |
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