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| Monday September 25 00:08:56 2006 Re: New media presents new opportunities |
| Raffish wrote:
> a lawyer with bad hair wrote: >I can't rip off someone else's work and get around copyright by including the original in my > rip-off > > package. > > No, and this was confirmed by the decision last year > against CleanFlicks. However, as the article that Pat > posted and the ClearPlay site make clear, ClearPlay are > doing something different: they're selling downloadable > filters that selectively skip or mute scenes from > existing DVDs. I was not referring to Clearplay. I was referring to Pat's suggestion that others could ADD material to an existing work and then claim ownership. |
| a lawyer with bad hair and who bet the Cardinals today. |
| Monday September 25 00:16:43 2006 Re: New media presents new opportunities |
| Richar wrote:
> I do agree that if I purchase one copy and make an edit > and then sell many copies of the edited work I have a > problem. But if I buy a copy, and then re-sell it, generally there is no issue. You're right- merely buying and reselling a DVD has little to do with copyright. But that's not what's happening here. In this scenario, as I understand it, they are producing new material, adding it to an orginial film project, and claiming the right to sell the new product. The ownership of the original would not be altered by the addition of the new material, as it would not be sufficently "transformative" to use a favorite term of the Courts that have ruled on this. |
| A lawyer with bad hair that also put some money on the 49ers. |
| Monday September 25 00:23:15 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| Pat Powers wrote:
They'll find that there's some substantive > difference between adding scenes, even without altering > the original, and skipping scenes Yes...that's true. I think you're right. , because the people who > have political power generally favor censorship and > oppose sexing things up. That definitely will not be the reason. If the additional content had NOTHING to do with sex, the result would be the same. This issue has, in other forms, been already ruled on over the years....the technologies are new, but the copyright principles at stake aren't. >They'll find some other grounds for their decision, but the real basis will be >politics. ???? I guess Court decisions are politics by other means, but no. Politics will have nothing to do with it. Liberal and Conservative judges will, in this regard, agree that you can't steal the work of others by adding some content of your own, if it's sexual or not. |
| Tom Cruise |
| Monday September 25 00:42:16 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> following questions: 1) What show was this 2) Who is the > DiD? and most importantly 3) What in the name of Doctor > Kildare is going on? Answers to #1 and #2 in the db: Record number: 10219 Title: Passions Medium: Soap Opera Actress: Alison Robertson Description: Aired 2004 April 16, 19, 20 This bound and gagged scene is a CLASSIC! "Heather" (played by Alison Robertson, a beautiful brown-haired, brown-eyed young woman) is dressed in a hospital gown. She is chloroformed into unconsciousness. Her wrists and ankles are tightly bound with thick white tape. Her wrists are bound in front, and we get to see that they are crossed and tightly bound. Her mouth is tightly gagged with thick white tape (and not just her lips, the gag extends all the way back to her ears.) She is barefoot. We see her waking up from a chloroform induced nap. She has a sad, apprehensive look on her face. The scene is well lit, well framed, and well photographed, even though the scene takes place in a closet. There are full body shots, medium shots and closeups. There is plenty of footage. She kicks her bound bare feet against the door to try to draw attention to her plight and we get a good look at her feet. There are shots where her entire body is in the frame. |
| PassDaTape |
| Monday September 25 00:44:39 2006 Re: Sitcom DID bankruptcy? |
| el tinko wrote:
> Can anyone recall the last time a Sitcom delivered a > scene, played for laughs? Maybe not the last time, but there was "Kate" on a handtruck in "The Drew Carey Show": Record number: 3337 Title: The Drew Carey Show Medium: TV Series Actress: Christa Miller Description: Episode: "Mimi's a Partner" (6.4) In the very last scene of the episode, after Drew and Kate (Miller) hide out from the paperboy, Mimi wheels Kate out on a handtruck wearing a straitjacket (Psycho 2000 brand) and gagged with white tape. The tape is taken off and put back on several times and is finally ripped off so she can taunt the paperboy. Funny scene overall with a cute actress (even if her boobs are sagging). |
| PassDaTape |
| Monday September 25 00:49:15 2006 Re: Sitcom DID bankruptcy? |
| Jason wrote:
> > Can anyone recall the last time a Sitcom delivered a > > scene, played for laughs? Nikki Cox in Unhappily Ever After and the beer cart scene from Drew Carey show were 2 of my favorites. |
| Monday September 25 01:13:11 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| PassDaTape wrote:
> moxx of balhoom wrote: > > > following questions: 1) What show was this 2) Who is > the > > DiD? and most importantly 3) What in the name of > Doctor > > Kildare is going on? > If you really wanna know, the DID is scheduled to undergo an artificial insemination to become the surrogate mother for a young couple's baby (That's who she's talking about at the beginning of the scene). The villainess wants to be the surrogate mom instead so she poses as a doctor, choloros and ties up Ms. Robertson, and tries to impersonate her so she'll be the one who gets the operation. Hey, you asked.... |
| KCS |
| Monday September 25 01:15:54 2006 Lifetime movie |
| Shiri Appleby stars next Sunday at 8 p.m. in "Thrill of the Kill."
Kelly Holden (Appleby) enlists the aid of a famous crime novelist to help find her sister's killer. Promo showed some female getting choloformed. It didn't look like Appleby. Appeared to be a blonde, but it was one of those quick black and white scenes. |
| Monday September 25 01:22:05 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| Tom Cruise wrote:
> ???? I guess Court decisions are politics by other > means, but no. Politics will have nothing to do with it. > Liberal and Conservative judges will, in this regard, > agree that you can't steal the work of others by adding > some content of your own, if it's sexual or not. I still think it may come down to the distribution model. If one were to try and sell a copyrighted work with new scenes spliced in, with or without providing a copy of the original so that everyone theoretically got their share, one would get sued into oblivion (and rightfully so). On the other hand, I suspect that Pat's theoretical "extras" DVD, software-triggered to kick in at particular points, would make it through the courts by the same reasoning that ClearPlay has. That being said, I'd be surprised if anyone actually stepped forward to test the waters. It's an interesting thought experiment, but, without meaning to underestimate the power of porn, I'm just not sure there's that big a market for spliced-in footage that couldn't possibly line up with the original film in a non-jarring fashion. |
| Raffish |
| Monday September 25 01:26:24 2006 Re: alternative to shooting addtl. scenes |
| >This issue has, in other forms, been
> already ruled on over the years....the technologies are > new, but the copyright principles at stake aren't. > Liberal and Conservative judges will, in this regard, > agree that you can't steal the work of others by adding > some content of your own, if it's sexual or not. Writing here as someone frequently in the thick of working out copyright issues involving "intellectual property": I don't have a crystal ball, but it's very important to keep the following in mind: 1. Copyright infringement cases, when they go to trial, are usually jury trials. And juries can be unpredictable. Very. No matter what the precedent, a jury can be swayed by a good argument, and therefore a good attorney. 2. There exists an international copyright convention, the Berne agreement, to which almost all European and North American governments are signatories. Some countries around the world (who shall not be named here) are not, and pirates will do what they wish in those countries until or unless those governments decide it's in their national economic interest to rein them in. Unlikely. Why? See point 3. 3. The copyright laws and frameworks are in a period of serious transition. Electronic reproduction and virtually instantaneous transmission of any intellectual property from one point on the globe to any other point has made restricting access and repressing piracy almost impossible. What constitutes intellectual property is at the core of some serious long-term conflict among very powerful forces in the entertainment industry, governments, universities, etc. These conflicts affect all of us, whether we know it or not. 4. The question of infringement in the U.S. is still a "look and feel" problem. You can't copyright an idea, but you can protect the way the efforts of your creative work appear--whether in print, on the screen, on canvas, etc. But only a jury is empowered to decide, ultimately, whether an alleged infringement does violate "look and feel." As George Harrison discovered, to his discomfort, sometimes it comes down to whether a couple of notes here and there sound like a couple of notes from somewhere else. 5. Context is everything in these situations. Please repeat that to yourself: context is everything. Example 1: Person A takes Person B's movie and edits it to include a DiD scene that was cut from the original release but was preserved by a savvy scavenger from the studio's dumpster. Person A tries to market the entire film, including the added scene. Most juries would find this an egregious infringement of copyright, because of a) the larger context of "look and feel" of the entire film and b) the added footage was owned by the studio anyway. It doesn't matter if person A also sold copies of the originally released film, with proceeds going to the copyright owners. That issue would be irrelevant. Example 2: Person A inserts footage derived from someplace other than the original film's footage, and tries to market the result for profit. Again, most juries would take into account that the larger context--the original film--was still the vehicle for displaying the added scenes. The overall "look and feel" would still be too overwhelming, and would be seen as a violation. Example 3: Person A intersperses 30 seconds of DiD footage derived from someplace else into 30 seconds of footage of the original film, with cels highly edited, and tries to sell that to the public. My guess is that juries would have a harder time saying that this was copyright infringement, because 1) the resulting film does not look much like the original, even in larger context, and 2) individual units of the film might be small enough that "similarities" wouldn't be noticed by the average viewer. But, even in this example, I wouldn't bet the house on getting away with it. 6. Technology is not our friend. It is not our enemy. Technology simply is. If it's possible to think about doing something, somebody somewhere will figure out how to do it. The real issue is whether our laws and customs can keep up with the rate of change. For now, copyright laws are on very shaky ground, although there are some very dedicated warriors and defenders out there. Watch carefully as these new video technologies get tested! Thanks. |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Monday September 25 04:23:42 2006 Marine |
| I think they will be a gagged scen in the new john cena movie,marine |
| Joan |
| Monday September 25 06:55:59 2006 Gonna turn it on? |
| Has anyone with mucho dinero bought the "BEST OF THE ELECTRIC COMPANY" DVD set yet? Just wondering if it contains at least one of the "classic" bondage scenes from the show, for instance Rita Moreno in the "tattle-tale" cop scene or Judy tied to the stake? Thanks in advance. |
| Bill |
| Monday September 25 10:15:28 2006 What's this? |
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Can anyone ID this scene--title? actress? Spanish-speaking, looks like from a TV show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah5zAEsFric |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Monday September 25 10:37:54 2006 VAN's FiCTiON is Updated! |
| Good Morning Brian'skteers!
The EPILOGUE of "SAM's WAR: The d'Arcy Manor Mystery" is posted. Enjoy! :-) |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Monday September 25 12:25:19 2006 Profumo - Storia di un assasino |
| In these days, in italian theatres, runs a movie titled "Profumo - Storia Di Un Assassino" (orignal title is "das Parfum", i think). It's a german-french coproduction and it's from a famous book. Sure in the movie is a handgag-scene: links below.
http://www.multiplayer.it/show.php?id=17001&img=40 http://www.multiplayer.it/show.php?id=17001&img=9 Thanks to original link's captor mpellix on pantydidcap. Regards from old Italy. |
| nulla72 |
| Monday September 25 12:44:05 2006 YouTube |
| Britt Ekland gagged in 6 Million Dollar Man |
| S Austin |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFV1FeG-fwM |
| Monday September 25 12:52:33 2006 Re: Profumo - Storia di un assasino |
| nulla72 wrote:
> In these days, in italian theatres, runs a movie titled > "Profumo - Storia Di Un Assassino" (orignal > title is "das Parfum", i think). > Sure in the movie is a handgag-scene. > Thanks to original link's captor mpellix on pantydidcap. Thanks for the info. I am a huge fan of handgags, and these stills look damn good. Also want to thank Jay L for all his work making hard-to-find handgag scenes available to us. Your work is GREATLY appreciated! |
| Ice Cream Man |
| Monday September 25 13:02:41 2006 unknown soap opera |
| I remember seeing a soap scene a couple of months ago on youtube with a blond in what looked like a wedding dress. She convinced a friend to duct tape her to a chair so that her boyfriend or something would rescue her and she would blame some other woman for taping her up. Please help with this scene. I remember it as a good one. |
| Monday September 25 13:09:44 2006 Re: Sitcom DID bankruptcy? |
| el tinko wrote:
> > Can anyone recall the last time a Sitcom delivered a > scene, played for laughs? Scrubs, last year, Sarah Chalke tapegag. Granted it wasnt a good scene by any standards, but there it was... |
| Steve a |
| Monday September 25 13:12:12 2006 Re: Hollyoaks / DOA Dead or Alive |
| Wonder why there wasn't a gag in the Hollyoaks scene. |
| http://www.hollyoaksbabes.net/_hollyoaks/ciara%20janson/CiaraJanson970.jpg |
| Monday September 25 13:13:11 2006 Re: Hollyoaks / DOA Dead or Alive |
| Nice crossing of the ankles - too bad there wasn't rope around them |
| http://www.hollyoaksbabes.net/_hollyoaks/ciara%20janson/CiaraJanson969.jpg |
| Monday September 25 13:24:52 2006 Re: unknown soap opera |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I remember seeing a soap scene a couple of months ago on > youtube with a blond in what looked like a wedding dress. > She convinced a friend to duct tape her to a chair so > that her boyfriend or something would rescue her Days of Our Lives. Arianne Zucker was tape-gagged. The scene was on youtube recentrly. Go to the site and search "tricky girl" for the clip. |
| Monday September 25 13:30:36 2006 Re: unknown soap opera |
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I tried that and didn't find it? Any other suggestions? |
| Monday September 25 13:32:29 2006 Re: Hollyoaks / DOA Dead or Alive |
| Character seems to be a natural DinD
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| http://www.hollyoaksbabes.net/gallery_ciara_janson21.htm |
| Monday September 25 14:26:04 2006 Re: Hollyoaks / DOA Dead or Alive |
| > Character seems to be a natural DinD
> > http://www.hollyoaksbabes.net/gallery_ciara_janson21.htm Are there any caps of her actually gagged? |
| Monday September 25 14:53:23 2006 minor update |
| Although the members section is fully updated for Monday,
Mai Li & I added a little extra treat for the boys courtesy of one of our Swiss friends from MTV Germany. |
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| Stephanie |
| stephanie@majorjohns.com |
| http://www.majorjohns.com |
| Monday September 25 15:02:18 2006 Re: Anyone know the story behind this scene? |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> I found this clip while browsing through You tube earlier > and I was wondering if any of you good folks recognised > it. > > So I'd be eternally grateful if someone could answer the > following questions: 1) What show was this 2) Who is the > DiD? and most importantly 3) What in the name of Doctor > Kildare is going on? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrkqBWxZEbg&mode=related&search= And, since her hands are infront, and her fingers not taped, why does she not peel the gag off. And, for that matter, why does she not bang on the door with her hands. |
| Monday September 25 15:10:05 2006 Re: New media presents new opportunities |
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> > You're right- merely buying and reselling a DVD has > little to do with copyright. But that's not what's > happening here. In this scenario, as I understand it, > they are producing new material, adding it to an orginial > film project, and claiming the right to sell the new > product. The ownership of the original would not be > altered by the addition of the new material, as it would > not be sufficently "transformative" to use a > favorite term of the Courts that have ruled on this. And if you are just re-packaging it and there is no restriction on that then it is ok. A few years ago in the UK books would always specifically include text that said that they may NOT be offered for sale in any other cover. I have not seen the equivalent text on DVDs here in the USA |
| Monday September 25 16:03:49 2006 Hogfather |
| The upcoming British live action miniseries of the Pratchett book looks to have a scene. Call up the link below and click number 16. From my dim recollections that's the Tooth Fairy (really) and that gag is an addition not in the book.
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| Nobby Nobbs |
| http://www.rhifilms.com/property.php?propertyId=Hogfather&page=photos |
| Monday September 25 16:48:38 2006 Re: Gonna turn it on? |
| Bill wrote:
> Has anyone with mucho dinero bought the "BEST OF THE > ELECTRIC COMPANY" DVD set yet? Just wondering if it > contains at least one of the "classic" bondage > scenes from the show, for instance Rita Moreno in the > "tattle-tale" cop scene or Judy tied to the > stake? Thanks in advance. I'm our resident "Electric Company" expert. :) The four disk "Best of the Electric Company" collection has the scene with Judy Graubart tied to the stake (it's on the fourth disk, final show). No "Tattletale" scene. Aparently there will be another "best of Electric Company" collection coming out within a few months, but based on the episode listings, I don't think the Tattletale scene will be on that one, either. The good news is that they are releasing this material at all, so hopefully at some point we will get to see that scene again. |
| PRW |
| Monday September 25 18:22:49 2006 correction |
| Seems a few of our clips did not upload properly - fixed |
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| Stephanie |
| stephanie@majorjohns.com |
| http://www.majorjohns.com |
| Monday September 25 19:42:43 2006 Lost??? |
| A bit late here, but from the Alerts page for tonite:
<Day: Monday September 25 2006 Time: 9:00pm PST Channel: ABC Record number: 12050 Title: Lost Medium: TV Series Actress: Evangeline Lilly Description: Episode: "Live Together, Die Alone" (2.23) Etc, etc, etc....> Are we sure? My DirecTV guide says tonite on ABC is some show called Wife Swap from 7-9, then another show called Men in Trees from 9-10. And I get the local channels. Was there some last-minute switch? |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Monday September 25 19:56:39 2006 Tied and True Tales back ONLINE now |
| It’s with great pleasure (and not a little relief) that I’m finally able to announce that Tied and True Tales (TTT) is now back online….
It’s been a long few days to be sure – the number of mails asking where I’ve gone has been unbelievable. Anyway, we’ve finally sorted out the snafu regarding my domain name renewal with my web-hosting company and the name http://www.tied-and-true-tales.com now points to TTT instead of the search page that you’ve been seeing earlier. Don’t worry if you can’t see TTT online yet because it may not have been picked up by the name server of your I.S.P. (which may still have a name server record cached from a day or two ago still pointing to the search page) Sorry for descending into techno-babble (I know most of you prefer Gordian coils of rope…) but sometimes it’s necessary. TTT is back online though (I just checked) and it should be visible to everyone within 24 hours. More good news: Melai (my fiancée) and myself have finally completed her permanent residency fiancée visa application and she is lodging it with the Australian Embassy in Manila today… whoooo! Now all we have to do is… wait – and hope that they won’t tie us up in any more red tape… Regards, Mason (and Melai) |
| mason |
| http://www.tied-and-true-tales.com |
| Monday September 25 20:07:09 2006 Re: correction |
| Stephanie wrote:
Ehmmm .. Quite 'fetching' - I'm tempted to toss the 'current' She's expendable - you're not. |
| Malibu Surf Sentral |
| Monday September 25 20:32:30 2006 Re: correction |
| Malibu Surf Sentral wrote:
Ehmmm .. Quite 'fetching' - I'm tempted to toss the 'current' She's expendable - you're not. Flattered, but I'm really just a 'plain jane' to be truthful |
| Stephanie |
| stephanie@majorjohns.com |
| http://www.majorjohns.com |
| Monday September 25 21:35:44 2006 Arianne Zucker |
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This post was moved to The Trading Forum. Poster: (unsigned poster) Reason: Off-topic. |
| The Moderator |
| Monday September 25 22:54:41 2006 Re: blah blah blah |
| Ben wrote:
> Just ONE other reason all lawyers should be shot on > sight > They see themselves as doing a 'service' to the public, > but are really rarely more than parasites feeding off of > the misfortune of others. > > You're right- merely buying and reselling a DVD has > little to do with copyright. But that's not what's > happening here. In this scenario, as I understand it, > they are producing new material, adding it to an orginial > film project, and claiming the right to sell the new > product. The ownership of the original would not be > altered by the addition of the new material, as it would > not be sufficently "transformative" to use a > favorite term of the Courts that have ruled on this. Perhaps I am a cynical fellow, but I strongly suspect that since with every "extras" video a new copy of the original movie is sold, many filmmakers -- and more importantly the studios that distribute their films -- will somehow swallow their pride in exchange for all those lovely $$$ that would enliven their bank accounts. I know that if someone wanted to do a "no bondage" or "all circus clowns" version of "Karg" or "Siren7" and a new copy's sale went to me every time one of their versions was sold, I'd quite happily pocket the money. But then, I'm a liberal kinda guy. |
| Pat Powers |
| Monday September 25 23:08:04 2006 Re: Lost??? |
| JP wrote:
> A bit late here, but from the Alerts page for tonite: > > <Day: Monday September 25 2006 > Time: 9:00pm PST > Channel: ABC > Record number: 12050 > > Title: Lost > Medium: TV Series > Actress: Evangeline Lilly > Description: Episode: "Live Together, Die > Alone" (2.23) > Etc, etc, etc....> > > Are we sure? My DirecTV guide says tonite on ABC is some > show called Wife Swap from 7-9, then another show called > Men in Trees from 9-10. And I get the local channels. > Was there some last-minute switch? I'm a DIRECTV subscriber also and I'm 100% positive it was in the guide when I posted the alert. I had originally scheduled to record it, but it conflicted with "Vanished" on Fox and the season premiere of "Heroes" on NBC, so I cancelled it. However, it's still showing in the Recording History: Lost "Live Together, Die Alone on Mon 9/25 9:00pm ABCW. Either ABC or DIRECTV must have gotten their programming fouled up. |
| MadFish |
| Monday September 25 23:27:27 2006 Re: Lost??? |
| > Title: Lost
> Medium: TV Series > Actress: Evangeline Lilly > Description: Episode: "Live Together, Die > Alone" (2.23) > Etc, etc, etc....> > > Are we sure? My DirecTV guide says tonite on ABC is some > show called Wife Swap from 7-9, then another show called > Men in Trees from 9-10. And I get the local channels. > Was there some last-minute switch? It's just a guess, but I'll bet that the Lost season 2 finale will run next week on Monday before the Wednesday season 3 premier. My TV guide also showed it to be tonight, but clearly it was not. Look for it next week. It will certainly rerun before next Wednesday. |
| Soapfan |
| Monday September 25 23:30:26 2006 Re: Lost??? |
| > Are we sure? My DirecTV guide says tonite on ABC is some
> show called Wife Swap from 7-9, then another show called > Men in Trees from 9-10. And I get the local channels. > Was there some last-minute switch? Also, it's really too bad that Van doesn't write, direct, and executive produce Wife Swap. How great would that be? |
| Monday September 25 23:50:01 2006 CSI: NY |
| I know last week was kind of a bust with scenes, but this Wednesday on CSI: NY should be good. Looks like a bunch of mini-skirted hotties rob a jewelry store, preview shows a girl gagged and blindfolded. |
| Somserset |
| gagsngirls@hotmail.com |
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