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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Saturday January 24 00:10:45 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| Ralph wrote: > In theory, wouldn't pay sites be beneficial... Yes, beneficial to the Bondage community, but I'm talking about the mainstream DID community. I'm not referring to any Commercial media. The stuff that got most of us going came from TV,cable,VHS,DVD, and movies. |
| DidRingOldTimer |
| Saturday January 24 00:21:00 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| DidRingOldTimer wrote: I'm not referring to > any Commercial media. The stuff that got most of us going > came from TV,cable,VHS,DVD, and movies. No, I think we're talking about the same thing. If for example guys like Raffish were making tons of money by charging for DID clips (just as an example), wouldn't you logically expect more people to jump onboard to provide as much content as they could sell? I would think you'd have more choice, not less. |
| Ralph |
| Saturday January 24 00:26:53 2009 It takes a thief |
| Season 2. Episode #21 Mundy is taken along with the presidents daughter (actress: Kay Cole). Short scene, happens before the climax say around the 40min mark of an hour show (probably the 30min mark with the commercials removed). Hands behind with rope and a blindfold. Onscreen tying just before the commercial break, then a quick walk down a hall to a "lockup". Just got my HD converter and a local station runs the Retro Television Network as its second subchannel. This episode was on, but it doesn't seem to be in the database. Thought I would mention it |
| It takes a thief |
| Saturday January 24 02:28:23 2009 Re: FX is pimpin' da bondage |
| it was a quick clip from "The Prestige" |
| bud |
| Saturday January 24 02:31:06 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| DidRingOldTimer wrote: > Due to the great amount of freeloaders and slicksters out > there, it looks like many of the DID contributors are now > forced to trademark their clips. This really shows they have gone nuts. Do they really think that the act of compressing and editing copyrighted material owned by others somehow makes the material *theirs*? > At least now they will > get recognizable credit for the videos they edit and > upload. Yeah - that's wonderful. Stick a distracting watermark on top of clips that usually are already very poor in quality. I'm sure they *hate* to do it, but they have to protect their valuable property. > I enjoy sharing clips(no money), but in my experience > trading has always been one-sided....I come through on > someone's requests and never receive any vids(or replies) > in exchange. The Raffish model is best, IMHO, charge for access to the site, but don't kid yourself that you have some kind of intellectual property rights to the clips. Don't degrade the material by splashing your name across them. Don't waste people's time and disk space by putting a banner before the clip begins. |
| Uh Clem |
| Saturday January 24 03:01:23 2009 Re: It takes a thief |
| It takes a thief wrote: > This > episode was on, but it doesn't seem to be in the database. Scenes don't put themselves in. |
| Brian R |
| Saturday January 24 03:03:31 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| DidRingOldTimer wrote: > Due to the great amount of freeloaders Hmmm. I'm going to let this thread go on as long as people manage to stay civil. If it becomes "nonproductive" I'll shut it down. |
| The Moderator |
| Saturday January 24 03:33:19 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| Before this topic gets deemed unproductive, I thought I would chime in. I used to post clips and other stuff here. I didn't stop because I wasn't making money from it, or getting compensated for my trouble and time invested making clips. In fact, I do not believe in charging for mainstream content. I think it's wrong, no offense Raffish, but that's my opinion. If you need to cover bandwidth costs, ask for donations, do what you need to do. I never felt a paid member section should include property that is clearly not belonging to the person charging for it. That said, the main reason I stopped posting content here is because this board (this board especially), has become very ungrateful by in large. Quite often, really good stuff gets posted here and nobody even thanks the person who took the time and effort to encode and post it. Many of you here have really just come to expect all of this stuff to magically appear, thinking nothing about the effort it takes to rip, prepare and post multimedia. A simple thank you goes a long way and the majority here have forgotten that, or simply couldn't care less. As for Clem's comments, there was one that caught my eye. Yes, a lot of the older content was very bad quality. This was because most of it was recorded via VCR and encoded using inferior hardware and software. However, much of the content available now is far superior and of very good to excellent quality. In fact, many of the clips I am now making are from HD source and look absolutely fantastic. Am I going to share them here? Not a chance. It takes far too much effort to create the quality content I am now producing and when I know I won't even get a simple thank you, or at best, a half-hearted one, there is just no incentive there for me to share my goodness. Go ahead and rip me, or say what you must. I have been a member here for far too long to not know what I'm talking about in this instance. This board used to appreciate their webmasters. Now they simply take them for granted. That's my two cents on why many of us have simply stopped caring enough to post multimedia in this forum any longer. |
| AnoitherDidRingOldTimer |
| Saturday January 24 04:30:06 2009 Re: It takes a thief |
| Brian R wrote: > Scenes don't put themselves in. Id try to regist myself but i cant |
| Mandrakedaily |
| Saturday January 24 07:14:59 2009 Re: Urinetown article |
| cc wrote: > Great quote from the actress who plays Hope, stating that > the most fun for her was being tied up. Let's save everyone the trouble of reading 2 pages of theater review to get to this: "I think the most fun was being tied up," said Majetich, whose character was kidnapped. "You don't get tied up and gagged every day." Sounds like a cool chick. No photos there unfortunately. |
| Saturday January 24 07:23:33 2009 Re: Knight Rider |
| ACC wrote: > wb13 wrote: > > Preview for Wednesday's Knight Rider shows a quick > > glimpse of female lead Deanna Russo with a black > OTM. That preview is on steroids, all goes by so fast can barely see anything. Did you see this preview during another show? Didn't see any gags in the Yootube clips I looked at. Might be one hanging around her neck as she grabs an assault rifle. > Critics might not be so good for the show but for us > bondage fans, the show has delivered! How many for Deanna thus far? This would be #2 for Deanna Russo this season. 4 scenes total for the show. All short and none too memorable. Episode title is "Exit Light, Enter Knight" Take my hand, we're off to never never land... |
| Saturday January 24 07:33:07 2009 Re: Urinetown article |
| cc wrote: > Great quote from the actress who plays Hope, stating that > the most fun for her was being tied up. Photos at the link, scroll down towards the bottom of the page for a couple good ones. |
| http://www.tvradiofilmtheatre.com/tour112.html |
| Saturday January 24 08:14:13 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| Throwing in my own two cents, I don't see Raf, or the gals over at Major John's, or anyone else getting rich off of what they charge for clips. And to be honest, even if they charged exorbitant fees, I believe in the free market so more power to them if they could get people to pay those rates. No one would be forcing anyone to buy anything. One thing I know about the Internet is, if you're willing to wait long enough, bide your time, just about everything will become available for free at some point, be it pics, clips, full vids, art, stories, software, whatever. By the same token, just about everything meant to be free will be offered at a price by someone else at some point. I know in the past I have run across sites that offered paid "access" to my stories that I wrote and posted for free and never intended to charge for. Personally, I don't like "tagged" clips, but then again, no one is forcing me to pay for them or even watch them. I also think for most it's an ego thing more so than any attempt to protect "their" clips. So, bottom line, either pay up for the "instant" access to new clips, pics, or whatever, or keep your cheese and wait until they become available for free... as just about everything on the net eventually does. |
| The Greyman |
| Saturday January 24 08:18:38 2009 Connected |
| I'm looking forward to watching this film.Seeing the damsel in distress,with a very nice black tape gag,on Major Johns a while back.The actress look helplessly silenced.A very good photo.Hope there's some nice scenes in it. |
| David |
| Saturday January 24 08:27:39 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| AnoitherDidRingOldTimer wrote: > As for Clem's comments, there was one that caught my eye. > Yes, a lot of the older content was very bad quality. Looking back at my comment, I expressed myself poorly. It sounds as if I am being critical of the suppliers of clips, or dismissive of the efforts of the clippers, when I say the quality of most clips is poor. That's not what I meant. I was trying to say that since the quality of clips is often poor for the unavoidable reasons you mention, it's a bad idea to intensionally make them worse by sticking the name of your site atop the clip. Who among us is not annoyed by the "bug" that is now ubiquitous in televised clips? Recently networks have started to scroll promotional messages across broadcasts too. Do we really need even more of that stuff added by clippers? I stand by my statement that clippers do not have any sort of legal ownership of the material they are providing. In almost all cases, it is copyrighted material owned by some other party. I too make clips, which I share amongst friends, I am grateful to sites that make their clips freely available, which I myself do not. But I stand by my earlier statement that people are nuts if they think they can edit someone else's copyrighted material, and it somehow becomes "theirs". I'm sorry if I sounded, or still sound, ungrateful. |
| Uh Clem |
| Saturday January 24 08:28:23 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| AnoitherDidRingOldTimer wrote: > That said, the main reason I stopped posting content here > is because this board (this board especially), has become > very ungrateful by in large. Quite often, really good > stuff gets posted here and nobody even thanks the person > who took the time and effort to encode and post it. Many > of you here have really just come to expect all of this > stuff to magically appear, thinking nothing about the > effort it takes to rip, prepare and post multimedia. A > simple thank you goes a long way and the majority here > have forgotten that, or simply couldn't care less. You're being a bit self-contradictory here. First you say Raffish shouldn't charge for memberships to see his clips, but should ask for donations. Then you say you stopped posting clips because of a lack of gratitude. I agree with your sentiment on the latter. Too many people on the internet have a sense of entitlement about getting video clips, music, etc. However, when people can't even be bothered to post a little thank you, how many people do you think would make a contribution to help keep a website afloat? I'd be willing to bet not too many; not enough to help Raffish sustain the site. I'd also guess that many of the same ones who are members of Raffish's site either would make no donation or donate much less than they are paying for their membership. |
| Saturday January 24 12:27:54 2009 Re: Knight Rider |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > > That preview is on steroids, all goes by so fast can > barely see anything. Did you see this preview during > another show? Nothing with Russo was shown on the Knight Rider promo after last week's episode except possibly a gag around her neck. I'm recording NBC tonight to see if another promo pops up. That might be where the gag was scene. |
| Saturday January 24 14:58:48 2009 Once again, it's time to play our favorite game... |
| ..."Let's Pitch a Script and Cast a Movie!" Okay, here's the setup. The principal characters are two females, one fortyish, the other in her 20s. Let's call 'em the Hard-Bitten Hag and the Young Tramp, respectively, although this should not infer either character's physical appearance. That's a good thing because they work-or at least used to work-as luxury-car saleswomen, you know, kind of like the Mercedes Benz maven that Hall of Famer Annabella Sciorra played briefly in "The Sopranos." Without getting into a lot of details (this is just a script outline, remember?) they were both shown the door and are now suing for sexual harassment. Now imagine this as an opening shot: Hag, her hands bound behind her and her mouth muffled with duct tape, running across a lawn to the front door of a house, where she tries to arouse someone inside by banging her head against said door and mmphing for all she's worth. Sold yet? It gets better. After being degagged and untaped, Hag and her savior rush back to Tramp's nearby garage, where upon the door being raised we see Tramp lying semi-conscious on the concrete floor next to a running SUV, gagged and bound hand and foot with duct tape and with her skirt pulled up and a beer bottle...well, better stop there; this site already has too much trouble getting past filters. A few days later, Hag calls the cops again to report getting a threatening phone call which referenced the attack and that she suspects was from her ex-employer. Well, she's half right. The call came from a cell phone in the vicinity of the dealership. And when the law catches up with the phone's owner, he begins to relate a rather intriguing tale about a conversation he had with a certain neighbor... SInce this is only a script outline, and since we're here to discuss who should play whom, I won't drop many more hints, except to say that both the neighbor and Tramp's skirt will play big roles in what's to come-such as in why she was wearing it when she and Hag traipsed past the security cameras in a shopping mall before heading to Tramp's house where the assault took place, but she apparently wasn't so keen on showing off her lovely legs when she, Hag, and that neighbor just happened to run into each other earlier that day-and with that, I've said enough. Now for the fun part. While both Sciorra and Linda Fiorentino strike me as a bit too long in the tooth these days for the Hard-Bitten Hag, either would still have the chops to pull it off. I'm sort of thinking a wee bit younger-maybe someone in the Brooke Shields/Helena Bonham Carter range. Maybe, however, if we still wanted to go early-to-mid Brat Packer, Demi Moore or my perennial favorite Jennifer Jason Leigh (who, let's face it, has made a career out of playing off-kilter characters like this one will develop into) might be good. This could also be a breakout for Winona Ryder, who may finally blossom in a real grownup role. As for the Young Tramp, you've simply got to go A-list, and the name that keeps popping into my head is Scarlett Johansson. Leonardo DiCaprio would probably be a good fit for the neighbor-and yes, I know, I've probably given away the rest of the plot by suggesting him for that particular role. Well, enough of what I think. What say you? And to ensure the topicality of the above, please carefully note the following disclaimer: The preceding script outline and all characters, events and places contained therein are fictitious, and any similarity to actual persons, places, and events are entirely coincidental. That IS how Hollywood does it, right? |
| Fettershackle |
| Saturday January 24 15:01:55 2009 Question on False Witness |
This four-hour mini-series featuring Claire Forlani aired in Australia recently, and will be debuting in the U.S. tonight on the ION channel at 6 p.m. CST. Has anybody from Down Under (or possibly the UK) seen this? It's got DID potential for Forlani based on the espionage plot. |
| Saturday January 24 16:07:57 2009 Re: It takes a thief |
| Mandrakedaily wrote: > Brian R wrote: > > Scenes don't put themselves in. > Id try to regist myself but i cant What seems to be the trouble? 90% of the time, it's people with AOL, Hotmail, or Yahoo accounts that didn't check their junk folder for the automated confirmation messages. Most of the rest is people who screwed up entering their own email address, misspelling the domain, leaving off the domain, stuff like that. Some, in spite of the instructions, put a fake email in. I don't recall you contacting me for assistance. |
| The Engineer |
| Saturday January 24 16:57:46 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| Uh Clem wrote: I that really was Uh Clem he is a classic example of someone who claimed that material that he did not make was his and even "too his bat and ball" and hid it all when he did not get his own way. Then. as I understand it he was "turned in" and had to make some horrendous settlement. Thank God that there was a mirror since his collection was the best. |
| Saturday January 24 17:41:48 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: You're being a bit self-contradictory here. First you say Raffish shouldn't charge for memberships to see his clips, but should ask for donations... _______________________________________ I can state that I never wanted to charge for anyone to visit a website but the bondage community did not give me much donations. This last year I received 2 small donations. Over the last 2 years it was really G Kroll out in California that was helping a lot. I gave up on spending hours each weekend to improve the website content and no one appreciated it. The only people that help me a lot are the muslims that I do websites for. They are extremely grateful when I exceed their expectations when they know I am using a Pentium I 133MHz dinosaur. I offered to help Tied & True Tales but I never heard from him. I have no idea why the people do the things they do sometime. |
| Rich |
| bindherupx@yahoo.com |
| http://bindherupx.net |
| Saturday January 24 18:30:45 2009 Re: vidclip "piracy" |
| I posted this over on Politically Sexy as well, but since the post grew directly from a discussion that started here and continued on Pofoz's page, I thought I'd post here as well: Let me use an analogy to explain my feelings on the matter. Say a farmer owns a big apple orchard, part of which fronts a road used by kids who walk to school along it. Portions of the trees in the orchard hang over the fence that fronts the road, and every year they drop a lot of apples to the ground which mostly just lie there and rot, or get eaten by small animals. The ground is still on the farmer’s property, it just isn’t worth the time and trouble to him to harvest them -- they’re a tiny smidgen of what is in the orchard proper. The kids who walk to and from school eat the apples, too. Are they stealing? The law is clear: they are stealing, because the apples belong to the farmer. But ethically are they stealing? Of course not: the apples would just rot on the ground if they didn’t eat them. You might make an argument that they are being socially responsible by not letting a food resource go to waste. Now, take it one step further. Suppose one enterprising kid collects some of the apples in a box as he walks down the road and sells them at a roadside stall. Is he stealing? Yes. Is he being unethical? No. The apples would still go to waste, and he’s hardly doing the farmer any economic harm since his sales are literally nothing compared to the farmer’s sales. In collecting the apples and presenting them conveniently to roadside travelers he is doing them a service, and deserves to be recompensed for his efforts. I think this is a very apt comparison because the rights to most films and TV shows are owned by large media conglomerates. None of them, to my knowledge, has ever collected a set of bondage clips and marketed it to anyone. I don’t see it happening in the foreseeable future, either -- too many groups would protest the living hell out of it if a mainstream publisher did such a thing. Bondage clips of mainstream movies and TV shows are EXACTLY like the apples on the other side of the fence -- they’re legally the possession of the companies that own them, but the companies have no interest in using them. Therefore, the guys who are collecting them and selling them are not harming the companies in any way. They are doing mainstream bondage fans a service, and deserve to be compensated for their work, even if they don’t own legal copyright to the works. I think this is why the mainstream companies don’t prosecute the websites that sell/distribute vidclips of bondage scenes. There’s no harm being done to the companies, and perhaps even some good. The clips being distributed almost certainly create interest in and sales of the movies they’re from. All to the good, from the companies’ point of view. Now, bondage clips from COMMERCIAL bondage videos that are collected and resold would definitely be a different matter. Making vidclips of these and selling them or even just distributing them for free would be not only against the law but unethical -- you would be directly competing with them and harming their business. However, I have to point out that many commercial bondage filmmakers freely distribute brief clips of their films, as promotional items. This in no way lessens the illegality or unethicalness of making clips and distributing them without the commercial websites’ position, but it DOES point out the usefulness of widely distributed free clips from a film, from the filmmakers’ perspective. I frankly think the copyright laws need to be changed -- they have shifted far too much in the direction of the corporations that own copyrights. The present loophole that allows companies to evade the public domain aspects of copyright by trade marking characters in the stories, etc., would be an excellent place to start. Getting the public domain release of copyrighted materials back to reasonable levels would also be a good idea -- just because somebody writes a good book, we don’t owe their descendents a free ride unto the nth generation (Edgar Rice Burroughs descendents, I‘m looking at you!). And some sort of “use it or lose it’ provision would prevent the kind of stupid cock-ups that keeps anyone from making an movies based on “Let’s Go Play at the Adams.” |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday January 24 19:06:16 2009 about did piracy |
| some girl refer to my clips like youtube trash, but later the trash is upload in her site to seal. i dont pay to Natalia Oreiro, Sofia Elliot or Rachel Ticotin to be bound and gagged, but I make the clip and showed for free. Why the youtube counts like doc are closed and late the scenes are on seal? Live and let live. is my final opinion about the point Sorry for my poor english, saludos desde Argentina Zahir |
| El Zahir |
| http://elzahirdid.wordpress.com/ |
| Saturday January 24 19:15:36 2009 Catfights While Bound |
| In "Thor and the Amazon Women" there is a brief catfight between two women bound in yokes. I was wondering if there were other catfights involving women who are actually in bondage of some kind out there. Can anybody think of any? |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday January 24 20:40:48 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| I make clips for a website I do them for free and as far as i know you can d/l the clips free its only when you order clips on dvds that you end up paying. Okay raffish charges for his site but he also gives out some great qaulity clips free on his page also why are we complaining about the variety of material that we can get, if you dont wanna pay for the clips dont join websites that charge dont buy the dvds that are often top notch quality dvds from thier websites for goodness sake ppl devilman |
| devilman_uk |
| devilman_uk_2006@yahoo.com |
| Saturday January 24 21:27:16 2009 Re: Authoring Clips |
| there is some work involved in finding and clipping those scenes theres nothing wrong with the clippers egtting a little for thier efforts. Really if you could call the pittance that Raffy asks to have access to his clips a "charge". its a MASSIVE library that gets bigger every week & he wants what like 3 bucks a month. look at all the free clips he gives away EVERY week |
| Snowcat |
| Saturday January 24 21:32:28 2009 Christina Aguilera |
| Caught this tricked pic on a site, it's large. http://www.celebritypictures.com/celebs/Christina_Aguilera/new/1221350.jpg |
| paolo |
| http://www.italianmoviefan.it/ |
| Saturday January 24 22:29:43 2009 Re: Christina Aguilera |
| paolo wrote: > Caught this tricked pic on a site, it's large. > http://www.celebritypictures.com/celebs/Christina_Aguilera > /new/1221350.jpg That picture is old from a voting campaign two years ago I believe, before Alba and Haydren did their stuff last year. |
| ltbhtf2002 |
| ltbhtf2002@yahoo.com |
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