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Welcome to the Discussion page. This forum is for discussing scenes from mainstream sources, primarily TV shows and movies, but we venture off into newspaper and magazine articles, stage plays, and other areas. Please do not post regarding commercial videos.
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| Sunday March 12 01:20:10 2006 Re: The Hills Have Eyes... |
| Steve a wrote:
> Extended handgag for the babe from Lost, while see is > molested by one of the villians, she is then raped > Film is exactly what you'd expect and a decent horror flick Thanks for the heads up. Just wondering, has there ever been a remake of a film that had no scene originally but then popped a b&g scene in the remake? I can't think of one. |
| Sunday March 12 01:31:56 2006 Lazos Latinos Update |
| Hola a todos
Hola a todos. Ready the March 12th update with: - Ana Patricia Rojo en "Trágico carnaval" - Manuela Imaz en "Amigas y rivales" - Zoraida Gómez en "Rebelde" Our next update will be on March 26th. Don't miss this preview update Lazo Latino |
| Lazo Latino |
| lazo_latino@yahoo.com.mx |
| http://www.lazos-latinos.com |
| Sunday March 12 01:39:12 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| Was taping FOX tonight just to get a glimpse of the upcoming bones since i did'nt catch the original promo last Wednesday. Wednesdays promo quicky showed the lovely E. Dechanel and her black cleve gag, but tonights promo cut, all you hear is her muffled scream through the gag but you dont see it. What the hell is wrong with the people who promote these shows. Dont they know that if they showed her cleved gagged again thay would get more horny guys watching the show. I mean thats the only reason I'm gonna watch, otherwise i would have no interest whatsoever. Maybe a bit weird but I know many guys feel the same way. |
| BONDAGE PERVERT |
| Sunday March 12 08:02:57 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| BONDAGE PERVERT wrote:
> ... Wednesdays promo quicky showed the lovely > E. Dechanel and her black cleve gag, but tonights promo > cut, all you hear is her muffled scream through the gag > but you dont see it. What the hell is wrong with the > people who promote these shows. Dont they know that if > they showed her cleved gagged again thay would get more > horny guys watching the show. I mean thats the only > reason I'm gonna watch, otherwise i would have no > interest whatsoever.... Not really, or even necessarily. You HAVE to remember, the average person out in TV land is not interetsted in watching these show to see women in bondage. They could care less in fact. We are the vast MINORITY. The producers of the show "Bones" almost certainly have no idea that this upcoming episode is being so anticipated by our little community just because one of the show's hotties has a guaranteed bound & gagged scene. And most of American will care less that she IS tied & gagged when they see the episode this Wednesday. In other words, if you were to ask the folks who make the promos "what's wrong with you...why didn't you show the girl gagged onscreen instead of just hearing her mmmphhh offscreen?" he's gonna go "huh"? or "I dunno...never occurred to me. Why, are you into that stuff or somethin'?" Remember, these shows are NOT Harmony bondage films for the fetish community...they are mainstream shows that most folks could give not 2 cents that there is a bondage scene in it or not. I remember when my wife found out (or I told her, I forget which) I collected mainstream bondage scenes, she was like "Huh? Why on earth for? (even though we practice bondage in our personal life)..what possible thrill could you get out of THAT?". That is how most of America feels, and the producers of these shows do NOT, I guarantee, make these shows for the bondage lover in mind. Next time you're in a bar or resturant where there is a TV going & a bondage scene comes on, watch the reactions of the rest of the patrons during the scene...most likely, besides you, not a single person will even acknowledge the scene. Keep in mind..again, we are the MINORITY...most folks do not get turned on by mainstream bondage and the producers don't make their promos to cater to our little fetish. I bet they'd be surprised if they even knew there was at this moment mass discussion on this board about the upcoming bondage scene on this week's "Bones". Trust me, they didn't give that one thought when they made the promo you saw or even the ones we saw where she WAS shown tied & gagged. It was merely to show that one of the characters would be in trouble this week & need to be rescued, nothing more. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Sunday March 12 09:37:57 2006 Re: Maria Bello question |
| KJ wrote:
> Does she get handgagged in "A History of > Violence"? No, the handgag victim towards the beginning of the movie is Deborah Drakeford, playing the barmaid in Joey's bar during the attack of it by 2 killers shortly before the bar closes. She's handgagged by one of the thugs as she wanted to leave the bar. |
| Vokoban |
| voko02@yahoo.fr |
| Sunday March 12 10:12:58 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| JP wrote:
> BONDAGE PERVERT wrote: > > > ... Wednesdays promo quicky showed the lovely > > E. Dechanel and her black cleve gag, but tonights > promo > > cut, all you hear is her muffled scream through the > gag > > but you dont see it. What the hell is wrong with the > > > people who promote these shows. Dont they know that > if > > they showed her cleved gagged again thay would get > more > > horny guys watching the show. I mean thats the only > > > reason I'm gonna watch, otherwise i would have no > > interest whatsoever.... > > Not really, or even necessarily. You HAVE to remember, > the average person out in TV land is not interetsted in > watching these show to see women in bondage. They could > care less in fact. We are the vast MINORITY. An image of a woman in bondage, like an image of a woman in a bikini or in her underwear, is sexually charged and likely to catch some viewers' attention (doesn't much matter whether these images are produced by Harmony productions, Fox Television, Sports Illustrated, or Penthouse, all of whom have had some success profiting off of sexual imagery). These sorts of images frequently show up in previews for this reason. I am not sure how many men (or women) tune into a show they would not otherwise watch because the preview had a quick shot of a woman in her panties (probably some, realistically). Ultimately, you have to sell shows as a whole product--the pleasures and pitfalls of dating, the suspense of tracking down criminals--but using sexual images to get people's attention is not a particularly bad idea, from a marketing perspective (the downside is you risk making the show seem like it is about nothing but sex, which has its own perils). I bet Fox said 'give us a thirty second promo and a twenty-five second version' and whoever was in charge of the latter tossed out the bondage image. It probably will not make or break the show's ratings. |
| ss |
| Sunday March 12 11:42:03 2006 Re: Best big-breasted bondage breast wraggling |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> feature > nice racks being waggled vigorously while their damsel >is in bondage? Captive Rage (DB Entry 2096) had some breast waggling if I'm not mistaken, although it was not of her doing. The lady is taken into a tent and has her wrists tied to the cot. The dude rips open her shirt and then raped her, with her breasts waggling with each of his thrusts. By the way, these pics were taken from a Russian website (see link) that has a lot of "our stuff" on it. http://desadov.com/galler_dir/Filmoteka/captiverage00.JPG http://desadov.com/galler_dir/Filmoteka/captiverage0.JPG |
| http://desadov.com/English/Filmhyde.shtml |
| Sunday March 12 11:51:42 2006 Bettie Page Confirmation? |
| The style section of this week's NY Times Magazine features Gretchen Mol as Bettie Page in several photos. The text before the pics mentions Mol at one point spitting a hard rubber ball out of her mouth to chat with someone in the film. |
| Sunday March 12 12:34:33 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| ss wrote:
> An image of a woman in bondage, like an image of a woman > in a bikini or in her underwear, is sexually charged and > likely to catch some viewers' attention (doesn't much > matter whether these images are produced by Harmony > productions, Fox Television, Sports Illustrated, or > Penthouse, all of whom have had some success profiting > off of sexual imagery). These sorts of images frequently > show up in previews for this reason. I agree with your analysis here. I think the B&G female is just one promotional tool the networks use to attract the male and younger audience, as well as explosions, car wrecks, shootouts, violence, etc. It's just one in a long line of options. I think "24" in the first season in a classic example. They threw everything against the wall hoping to get people to tune in. One of those, of course, was Elisha Cuthbert bound and gagged in Episode 4, which FOX promoed during NFL football games and the World Series for weeks before. On the same page, "Alias", during the after-Super Bowl episode from 2003, what did they show? Jennifer Garner in black and red lingerie, with the promo for the following week Jennifer Garner in a blue bikini. It's no coincidence that those scenes turned up on Super Bowl Sunday. |
| Sunday March 12 14:03:34 2006 Bettie Page |
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This post was deleted. Poster: (unsigned poster) Reason: Off-topic. The "real-life" career of Miss Page is not topical, even if reported in a newspaper. You can discuss the upcoming movie and what you read will be in it, of course. |
| The Moderator |
| Sunday March 12 15:02:33 2006 Kidnap (google video, indy) |
| Check this out. Breif scene of two damsels tied back to back with gags. |
| angryrob |
| http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3961790684066464044&q=%22kidnap%22 |
| Sunday March 12 16:17:43 2006 Russian vidcap sites |
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> By the way, these pics were taken from a Russian website > (see link) that has a lot of "our stuff" on it. > http://desadov.com/English/Filmhyde.shtml All right. You found an english version of the site. I have been surfing the russian language page for a long time now but half the time I cannot figure out what the title is supposed to be. Here is another russian site just like the one above: http://www.zenskaveznice.cz/index.php |
| Chas |
| Sunday March 12 16:28:59 2006 TV show question |
| I hope this isn't off topic here and apologize if it is. There was a TV show in the 90's or 00's that I need the name of if I can describe the scene enough to get help with. The damsel was carried over the bad guys shoulder, hands tied behind her back and OTM gagged. I think she was going to be thrown in a furnace/fire of some type. Since her legs aren't tied, she is able to kick the bad guy in the face and runs off to escape. She is chased by the bad guy while still bound and gagged. Does anyone know the name of this show? Thanks for your time. Have a nice day. |
| mike |
| mikmede@bellsouth.net |
| Sunday March 12 16:29:37 2006 Re: Best big-breasted bondage breast waggling |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> No, I'm not headed for commercial video territory here. I > had the SciFi Channel on and darned if the scene from > "Chupacabra: Dark Seas" didn't come on. The one > with a cute blonde tied hands behind to a ship's kitchen > table (which is bolted to the floor, being on a ship) > with ropes over and above her very large breasts, which > are enclosed in a light pullover T shirt that does > nothing to disguise what a truly nice rack she has (and > the ropes emphasize that quite nicely). And she waggles > those breasts vigorously throughout her several scenes. I > would guess it's the best mainstream big-breasts in > bondage breast waggling scene ever (other than the one in > "Die Watching" which had an unfair advantage, > in that the actress was nude from the waist up). ButI > could be wrong. Are there others out there that feature > nice racks being waggled vigorously while their damsel is in bondage? There was that fun scene on Police Squad where the stacked blonde is cleave-gagged and roped to a chair, with rope criss-crossing her breasts. She frees a hand to mop her brow, then puts it back and resumes struggling - and never tried to remove the gag. Yes! Tangent: is there a preferred email for you? I tried to contact you a few times about matters relating to your site, but can't seem to reach you. Thanks |
| Sunday March 12 16:31:49 2006 Re: TV show question |
| mike wrote:
> There was a TV show in the 90's or 00's that I need the > name of if I can describe the scene enough to get help > with. The damsel was carried over the bad guys shoulder, > hands tied behind her back and OTM gagged. I think she > was going to be thrown in a furnace/fire of some type. > Since her legs aren't tied, she is able to kick the bad > guy in the face and runs off to escape. She is chased by > the bad guy while still bound and gagged. Does anyone > know the name of this show? Record number: 1389 Title: Once a Thief Medium: TV Series Actress: Brooke Leslie Description: Episode: "Wang Dang Doodle" (1.6) Ms. Leslie is bound wrists behind and overgagged as she is about to be tossed into an incinerator. She bops her captor upside the head with her free foot (she'd been slung over his shoulder), and takes off running. She's recaptured after a couple or so shots of her seeking safety, and it's déjà vu all over again, when The Good Guys save the day. The sequence starts around 46' in, and lasts about four minutes, 'til the ad break. |
| Jay L |
| Sunday March 12 17:39:40 2006 North from Rome by Helen MacInnes |
| I know a while back we discussed book covers with bound and gagged damsels on the cover but i don't think this one came up.
I was browsing through a 2nd hand bookstore yesterday when i found a 1972 (British) printing of the above novel by Fontana and it has the most amazing cover. I'm just sorry i don't have the means to scan it and post it for you. The damsel has long flowing blonde hair and blue eyes that look up fearfully at an unsean protagonist. She's laid acrross the back seat of a car a red cleve between her teeth her wrists crossed and bound in front of her with a thin white cord (String or possibly wool?), she's wearing a bright multicolour sleeveless knee dress and dark tights. So far as i can tell from a thorough skimn through the novel this cover doesn't actually represent a scene within. Out of interest can anyone think of other examples of bondage imagery being used to give a misleading impression of the contents be it a book or a movie poster? |
| moxx of balhoom |
| Sunday March 12 18:30:53 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| JP wrote:
> Next time you're in a bar or resturant > where there is a TV going & a bondage scene comes on, > watch the reactions of the rest of the patrons during the > scene...most likely, besides you, not a single person > will even acknowledge the scene. I fondly remember an exception that sortof proves this rule. In the mid 1980s, the Nuart theatre in LA showed "The Collector" (1965) for one weekend only. The showing I went to was packed, and it was clear that most had come for the bondage scenes. At one point, Freddie the kidnapper says something like "More people would do this if they had the money...". At that point the audience erupted into sustained applause, whistles, hoots and hollers of approval. |
| Abu Zalaam |
| Sunday March 12 21:14:28 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> ss wrote: > On the same page, "Alias", > during the after-Super Bowl episode from 2003, what did > they show? Jennifer Garner in black and red lingerie, > with the promo for the following week Jennifer Garner in > a blue bikini. It's no coincidence that those scenes turned up on Super Bowl Sunday. You're right here, and I agree 100% that the preview ads are geared to attracting the target audience. But, the scene of Jennifer in the bikini was obviously to get the horny guys to tune in. Sex sells....mainstream bondage doesn't necessarily (and mind you, no one is as personally into it as me!!!) and I just do not think that B & G scenes are thrust into promos to attract the male audiences. Besides, think of all the hundreds of shows that had great B & G scenes that didn't show up anywhere in the promos. Although it's been shown that bondage is one of the most popular fantasies for both men & women, it's almost always referred to in the sexual context, not in the "damsel-in-distress" context (although there is no denying that that aspect DOES apeal to a percentage of the population). My point was just that the guys who did the promo for "Bones" and didn't actually show the gagged girl shouldn't be held guilty of being idiots who didn't realize the potential "gold mine" of viewers that they "could have" attracted had they included that scene. Look at it this way...I personally know hundreds of people (maybe several hundred) and I'm the ONLY one I know who has a thing for girls in bondage in mainstream shows & movies (and I'm not counting sexual bondage here). In fact the only other folks I know who are also into mainstream scenes are the ones I've met here. And I'd bet that is the case for most of us here (how many times have we read "man, I thought I was the only person who got into seeing women tied up in "real" shows & not just in bondage loops until I found you guys here on this forum")? Again, this is JUST MY OPINION but I feel that the average TV viewer isn't that interested in if the female guest star in his/her favorite TV show gets tied up or not. And, as been said before here on this forum, the movie & TV producers aren't catering to our particular fetish, but to the mainstream. Girls in promos seen in skimpy lingerie or bikinis (back to the Jennifer Garner example stated above by the other poster) will attract more viewers than a woman seen dressed in office attire or fatigues bound & gagged with a ticking time bomb in her lap. I'm not saying NO ONE will be enthralled by it, just that in the big scheme of things it won't be THAT many folks. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Sunday March 12 21:27:24 2006 Re: North from Rome by Helen MacInnes |
| moxx of balhoom wrote:
> > I found a 1972 (British) printing of the above novel > by Fontana and it has the most amazing cover. Thanks, eBay! (Currently available for around US$3.50) |
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| Pofoz |
| Sunday March 12 21:49:06 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| JP wrote:
> Look at it this way...I personally know hundreds of > people (maybe several hundred) and I'm the ONLY one I > know who has a thing for girls in bondage in mainstream > shows & movies (and I'm not counting sexual bondage > here). In fact the only other folks I know who are also > into mainstream scenes are the ones I've met here. And > I'd bet that is the case for most of us here (how many > times have we read "man, I thought I was the only > person who got into seeing women tied up in > "real" shows & not just in bondage loops > until I found you guys here on this forum")? > Where do you think commercial bondage came from? Supposedly Irving Klaw, running a mail order service of movie stills, noticed that the women-tied-up pictures sold especially well (you can also see this when stills are available for viewing on line). He encouraged movie producers to always send them to him (so producers, even back in the fifties, knew about this), but quickly realized there was money to be made producing them himself. Every sexy scene doesn't show up in the promo for Alias or Desperate Housewives. Just some of them. Its also important to remember that sex, of any sort, only does so much to move the product. The ratings for Alias are not good. Although lots of men like to see Garner in lingerie, not all that many will actually watch an hour long show just because of that. I don't know if I will bother watching Bones, or just wait to see stuff posted by people here. The producers of Bones haven't necessarilly convinced me to watch their show, just piqued my interest. |
| ss |
| Sunday March 12 22:02:33 2006 RE: BONES PROMO |
| ss wrote:
> Where do you think commercial bondage came from? Ok, let's move on to more productive areas of discussion. I think both sides have had their say. |
| The Moderator |
| Sunday March 12 22:29:03 2006 BONES! |
| I thought I'd contribute my two cents worth.
Yes, sex sells movie tickets & boosts TV ratings. Yes, female bondage is recognized as sexy---kinky, maybe, but sexy. HOWEVER, the biggest elephant in the room is... the DAMSEL-IN-DISTRESS. Jeopardy + Suspense => Drama. Always has. Always will. The helpless female character used as bait to lure the hero to his doom or simply to evoke sympathy for her predicament and suspense about the outcome. It's a frakkin' CLICHÉ!! I enjoy DiD-scenes. I accept horror scenes (B&G damsels being threatened by Freddie or Jason or some mutant freak) as a near-substitute... unless the damsel is killed. That's a major buzz-kill for me. Comedic DiD-scenes are a 1,000 times better than snuff scenes. Again, that's just me. So, do the TV producers sit around & debate whether a DiD-scene (the *ESTABLISHED* *DRAMATIC* *CLICHÉ*, the DiD-scene) is too sexy or might offend the self-righteous minority? Yeah, just like they worry that a car chase will offend the National Safety Council, or that an explosion scene will cause kids to use illegal fireworks. They read the script & try to guess if people will watch the show. The problem, of course, is... THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE!! So what about the viewers? "Oh look, Bones is in danger! Suspense! This will be fun!" or "Oh look, Bones is in danger! Too bad the show sucks." Our problem, of course is all *we* need to know is an actress will be in bondage. We'll watch *anything* DiD-ish! (...or at least record the show & FF to the "good stuff.) |
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| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Sunday March 12 23:23:35 2006 Amusing little video |
| worth checking out. kind of long. kind of silly. |
| eddie |
| http://youtube.com/watch?v=qVGiB1CrcLY&search=ducttape%20mouth |
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