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Thursday October 16 00:19:14 2003
Re: anything else tonight??
Snowcat wrote:

> atb the risk of sounding greedy...
>
> My 2nd VCR is broke so I can only tape on thing at a
> time. I was watching Smallville & Angel. Did per
> chance anything DID-worthy occur on
> "Enterprise" or Jake 2.0??

"Jake 2.0" was a bust and a lousy episode at that. I don't know where this show is headed but since the first show the storylines are boring and the acting atrocious. Repeat airing next week. Didn't check my "Karen Sisco" episode yet.
Thursday October 16 00:39:05 2003
Re: Knee-High P.I. and Playmate Possibilities
The Greyman wrote:
> ...pretty sure we could put just
> about 100% of all Playmates in that "Wanna see 'em
> gagged!" category.

Don't know if she was a centerfold, but Playboy model Sung-Hi Lee may have something coming up. In some chatter describing an informal photo taken during one of her recent film shoots, she notes that she spent some time "taped to this board."

The context is uncertain -- she might have meant "chained to the computer thru which I access this message BOARD." You never know with this stuff anyway, but Sung-Hi Lee not only serves as proof of the existence of God, but represents the highest level of His artistic achievement. Her upcoming flicks include another Randy Quaid "Vacation" flick set on a Pacific Island, "Death to the Supermodels" with Brooke Burns and Jaime Pressley, and "The Girl Next Door" starring Elisha Cuthbert. Guess I'll just have to watch all three.

While also a nude model, Ms. Lee is a mainstream actress. I believe her credits, like guest-starring on "Birds of Prey," qualify her for discussion here. Apologies if I'm wrong.
Shades of Greyman
Thursday October 16 01:10:50 2003
Schumacher
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Thursday October 16 01:12:37 2003
Re: Veronica Guerin
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Thursday October 16 01:24:26 2003
Re: Angel
JP wrote:

> Nice scene on Angel tonite...the werewolf girl manacled
> to the dinner table & cleave gagged.

Episode title?
DB
Thursday October 16 01:30:07 2003
Re: Angel
DB wrote:

> Episode title?

"Unleashed."

I'll have a cap or two on the way, soon as I get done watching...
Raffish
Thursday October 16 01:43:10 2003
Re: anything else tonight??
> Didn't check my
> "Karen Sisco" episode yet.

Good ep, no bondage.

Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.homestead.com/jebsadventurebound
Thursday October 16 01:49:08 2003
Just the FAQs
I updated the FAQ list, added some stuff, corrected outdated information.

Brian R
http://brianspage.com/faq.htm
Thursday October 16 02:02:20 2003
Re: Just the FAQs
> I updated the FAQ list

Error 404 Not found

Thursday October 16 02:20:38 2003
Re: Just the FAQs
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Error 404 Not found

He left off an "l"...see fixed link below.

Other than that, though, good stuff. (Reminds me that I really need to write a FAQ for my own site one of these days...)
Raffish
http://brianspage.com/faq.html
Thursday October 16 03:49:56 2003
The cook, the vampire, the werewolf
...and the DiDheap, now open for business.
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/heap/Angel-Unleashed.jpg
Raffish
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/heap/
Thursday October 16 04:32:40 2003
Starsky And Hutch - Movie
Acording to this months issue of Stuff Magazine, Carmen Electra is going to be playing a part in an upcoming movie homage to "Starsky and Hutch" due out in March on the big screen (Starring Ben Stiler and Owen Wilson)

Acording to her interview she will be playing the role of "a Cheerleader who is going on a couple of dates with Hutch"....

Now that HAS to be a 80% Chance of a kidnapping plot line...Also the article has a few nice pictyures of Carmen in Lingere and one close up of a Fuax gag of sorts

Hubba...Hubba

the Clevester
Cleve
Thursday October 16 05:35:43 2003
9213 - Aimee McPherson scandal
There are 2 others movies with similar story:
1. Disappearance of Aimee, The (1976) - Faye Dunaway
2. Saving Sister Aimee (2001)

Is there any DID scene on the 2 movies?
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPherson
Thursday October 16 05:40:44 2003
Re: 9213 - Aimee McPherson scandal
Other source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Aimee-Semple-McPherson
Thursday October 16 08:17:20 2003
Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
>>>>I doubt Lana will ever be gagged<<<<<

I wouldn't go THAT FAR, not yet anyway. If she manages to to go the rest of this season ungagged, I'll put her on the list.



>>>>Since he was wanted, it only makes sense to gag Lana while transporting her. And to be sure he had the advantage on Clark, Lana needed to be gagged so that she couldn't give him an early warning.<<<

You're dead on here. This situation screamed for a gag. (Pun intended.) One has to wonder if a deliberate decision was made by someone not to have the lovely Kristin muzzled. Instead, they keep finding ways of rendering her unconscious. Poor girl must have brain damage by now. She's been knocked out more than Troy Aikman and Steve Young combined.



>>>>>If they can't gag her in an episode like this, they never will.<<<<<

Small steps. At least they had a heck of a tie up scene. I always like gals getting physical while bound with their hands behind them. Of course, as an unabashed gag-snob the scene was a bust for me personally, but I see the potential there. Like I said, small steps.


One final point: ANGEL's scene, while nice, did little to overcome the irrittation set up by SMALLVILLE's utter failure.

Vince Grey
vincegrey@thegreyman.net
www.thegreyman.net
Thursday October 16 10:20:41 2003
Re: Windy City Heat
Mike W. wrote:

> BTW, speaking of Knee High PI, on the Comedy Central
> movie "Windy City Heat" there was a quick scene
> of a bound and cleave gagged detective about halfway through.

This movie will air again tomorrow night (Friday, 10/17, actually early Saturday morning, 10/18) at midnight (Central Time) on the Comedy Central Channel. Alert added.

JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Thursday October 16 10:58:06 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
Vince Grey wrote:

> >>>>I doubt Lana will ever be
> gagged<<<<<
>
> I wouldn't go THAT FAR, not yet anyway. If she manages to
> to go the rest of this season ungagged, I'll put her on
> the list.
>
whenever some one mentions an "ungaggable" two words come to mind
Heather FRIGGIN Locklear
remember the "goddess of the great gag" had almost NOTHING her first two seasons on T.J. Hooker and was even chloroformed & kidnapped by white slavers without a scene.
Chill!
She'll get a good scene (or not) but not by any design or plan. & Woo Hoo will she look great in a nice chair tie with a knotted cleave between her teeth.
Thursday October 16 11:09:54 2003
VH1-USA Centerfold Babylon (2003)
> Speaking of Playboy Playmates in ballgags, I just happened to catch a VH1 special called "Centerfold Babylon" that featured images of Penthouse model Aria Giovanni wearing a ballgag.

The imagery occurs in the intro to the special, so be quick with that record button. It also appears in an interview of Giovanni about 15 minutes into the hour-long special. In fact there's a shot of Giovanni in front of a blowup of her gagged face talking about mistakes she's made. Mm-hmm.

The show re-airs Thursday at 9pm ET and on the 19th at 1 am.
-----
"Edutainment" is an appropriate term. With the exception of an apt observation by one of the photographers ("...if all you bring to the table is an ability to look good without your clothes on, you can't expect to make it in acting."), the 90-minute VH1-USA program pretty much just went with the viewpoint of the models interviewed unchallenged.

I also was amused by VH1's "Isn't it regrettable that these womens' lives didn't turn out all that they'd hoped for after they posed" tone -- then selecting a blatantly gratutuitous background of Giovanni modelling the Ballgag (instead of plausible alternatives, such as a magazine cover). ;-)
Kinky-napper
Thursday October 16 11:37:01 2003
Meredith Vierra
Just watching 'The View' (I've got LOTS to do in the morning) and Meredith Vierra announced that she will be posing in Playboy next year. From previous allusions to an interest in bondage from this lady, possibly they might do something along these lines - lets hope!
Major John
Thursday October 16 11:50:44 2003
Wrong Turn DVD
The Wrong Turn DVD includes the following:
Eliza Dushku in her commentary describes being tied for weeks with a dirty leather gag and the crew teasing her.
There are dailies of Lindy Bloom having barbed wire pulled into her mouth to kill her. Numerous takes are shown.
There is special effects rehearsal of that scene with a leather thong used with a double and pulled into her mouth several times.
There is a special effects rehearsal of the axe in the mouth scene with the double and she talks through it in a mumphing type way. This is done a number of times.
Gordian Knot
Thursday October 16 13:08:01 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
> whenever some one mentions an "ungaggable" two
> words come to mind
> Heather FRIGGIN Locklear
> remember the "goddess of the great gag" had
> almost NOTHING her first two seasons on T.J. Hooker and
> was even chloroformed & kidnapped by white slavers
> without a scene.

Actually, Heather was gag-free until the 4th season of "Hooker," then gagged 4 times in one season, which was the final season. Also, Teri Hatcher was gag-free the entire first season of "Lois & Clark" and let's not forget Alyson Hannigan finally getting gagged in Season 6 after countless misses.

As for "Smallville", I agree with the argument. For some actresses, you just "know" it's not happening for whatever reason. That show and actress sounds like the case. The iritating part is when the scene calls for a gag for realism yet doesn't deliver. The recent stories on "ATWT" with Terri Colombino being another example.

On the flip side, I'm sure we can all come up with a number of gagged actresses/models we thought would never, ever happen (Kathy Ireland?) so in the end it all evens out.
Thursday October 16 13:17:17 2003
Windy City Heat?
> BTW, speaking of Knee High PI, on the Comedy Central
> movie "Windy City Heat" there was a quick scene
> of a bound and cleave gagged detective about halfway through.

Mmmm...admittedly, I couldn't suffer through all of this tripe, but the only bondage scene to come midway through the movie was a shot of Perry Carvello bound and gagged to a chair. They gag him because he's trying to tell them that a co-star is picking up the "wrong" prop baseball bat to hit him with. Perry is a middle-aged male.

As an aside, the movie itself is inexplicable: it asks the viewer believe Perry is such a moron that he doesn't understand the cliche-ridden film project he's been tapped to star in is a fake. His behavior - and those of the others - leads me to think that this was some kind of attempt at pranking the audience. There isn't even a payoff scene where the scam is revealed. In the context of Perry actually believing he's acting, a lot of scenes work. With the doubt that it's just one big, dumb skit, it's abysmal.

Days later, I still don't know what the hell I watched.

And to keep this on topic: SpikeTV's Joe Schmoe Show is not only the RIGHT way to lift from The Truman Show, but has featured a male-female handcuff scene.
Royler
Royler20@aol.com
Thursday October 16 13:22:13 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
Dukes of Hazzard cutie Catherine Bach wasn't gagged until the 21st episode of the 3rd season.
Enos
Thursday October 16 13:22:34 2003
Re: Wrong Turn DVD
Gordian Knot wrote:

> The Wrong Turn DVD includes the following:
> Eliza Dushku in her commentary describes being tied for
> weeks with a dirty leather gag and the crew teasing her.

Forgive me for being a little sceptical. Reminds me of the Annabella Sciorra story. I haven't seen the movie Wrong Turn. How long is the scene? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?
I know there are takes, retakes and more retakes, but that the actress spent WEEKS in bondage sounds a bit unrealistic.
Or maybe sweet Eliza knows what guys like us wants to hear?
Per
Thursday October 16 13:35:40 2003
Re: anything else tonight??
Jeb wrote:

> > Didn't check my
> > "Karen Sisco" episode yet.
>
> Good ep, no bondage.
>
FYI, some nice new photos of Carla added on the ABC web site. Hard to look at them and not think......
http://abc.go.com/primetime/KarenSisco/gallery/1.html
Thursday October 16 13:46:55 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
>>>>As for "Smallville", I agree with the argument.
> For some actresses, you just "know" it's not
> happening for whatever reason.<<<<

There's a difference between SMALLVILE and most other shows. That difference is that "Smallville", like "Lois & Clark", "Superboy", "Superman" and most of the various-related catoons, has, as it's two main charatcters, a hero and his lovely damsel, be it Lois or Lana. You can try to stray away from that premise, but it always, eventually, comes back to "hero saves his damsel-love".

TV writers, for the most part, aren't overly creative. (BTVS and SEINFELD being notable exceptions.) You can only figure out so many ways to place a damsel in peril without tying her up. Right now, knocking Lana out seems to be the only way the writers can figure out how to allow Clark to rescue her without her finding out he's super-powerful. That idea has just about run out of steam already, so I look for Lana to get tied up more and more often. And, if you tie her up enough, you'll get around to gagging her sooner or later.

I really do think it'll happen this year. I just hope it's a scene worthy of our praise, like Cordy in PARTING GIFTS.




Vince Grey
vincegrey@thegreyman.net
www.thegreyman.net
Thursday October 16 13:51:09 2003
Karen Sisco
>>>>"Karen Sisco" episode yet.

>>>> Good ep, no bondage.

Now here's a danger-babe I don't feel good about at all as far as her D-i-D potential goes. Color me flabbergasted if Karen gets gagged this year.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/karensisco/images/gallery/240x360_gugino_4.jpg
Vince Grey
vincegrey@thegreyman.net
www.thegreyman.net
Thursday October 16 14:00:30 2003
Re: Windy City Heat
JP wrote:

> > BTW, speaking of Knee High PI, on the Comedy Central
>
> > movie "Windy City Heat" there was a quick
> scene
> > of a bound and cleave gagged detective about halfway
> through.

Hey JP, where did you get the information for the scene in this show?
Rex

rex
Thursday October 16 14:00:55 2003
Re: Windy City Heat? YES I SAW IT!
Royler wrote:

> Mmmm...admittedly, I couldn't suffer through all of this
> tripe, but the only bondage scene to come midway through
> the movie was a shot of Perry Carvello bound and gagged
> to a chair. Perry is a middle-aged
> male.

I saw the movie too and I saw a female tied and gagged. Not just Perry in the baseball bat scene. I'm going to watch it again in hopes of taping it.
RJR
Thursday October 16 14:03:52 2003
Heather Locklear in T.J. Hooker
> Actually, Heather was gag-free until the 4th season of "Hooker," then gagged 4 times in one season, which was the final season.
--------
Not quite. From the Scene Database:

"Trackdown" (4.13)
"Outcall" (4.14)
"Bloodsport - Part 2" (5.17)
"The Obsession" (5.9)

In its last season 5, "T.J. Hooker" was moved from primetime to the late-night graveyard (where one pretty much had to utilize a VCR to catch the episodes). I think the last season also ditched Adrian Zmed from the cast.
Kinky-napper
Thursday October 16 14:08:16 2003
Re: Heather Locklear in T.J. Hooker
> "Trackdown" (4.13)
> "Outcall" (4.14)
> "Bloodsport - Part 2" (5.17)
> "The Obsession" (5.9)

Bloodsport was a 2-hour TV movie nd kudos to the producers for having Heather & friend B&G in TJ's swan song.
Thursday October 16 14:14:16 2003
Ex-Playboy Playmates in Sporty Gags
> Fortunately, because many Playboy Playmates become B-movie or bit-part actresses, there are easily a dozen w/ b&g entries in the Scene Database.

Interestingly, while Ballgags are a rarity for mainstream movies/TV, at least three ex-Playmates have sported one:

Teri Weigel ("Night Visitor").
Donna D'Errico ("Candyman 3: Day of the Dead").
Jenny McCarthy ("MTV Singled Out").
-------
Curiously, VH1's "Centerfold Babylon" didn't mention a Playboy Playmate who did become a Hollywood success: Straight-to-video queen and DiD Hall of Famer Shannon Tweed (who wore her leather strap gag well in 1984's "The Surrogate").
Kinky-napper
Thursday October 16 14:17:55 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
"Help, I'm about to be kidnapped by a guy who won't need to gag me!!"

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/imagegallery/albums/Season3/303/normal_extinction_trailer_11.jpg
Thursday October 16 14:22:11 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
"Why does Lois Lane get all the B&G fun??"

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/imagegallery/albums/Season1/120/normal_Obscura_2708.jpg
Thursday October 16 14:29:19 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
"Why do I find old ladies tied and gagged instead of a hot chick like Lana???"

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/imagegallery/albums/Season2/211/caps/normal_visage_600.jpg
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/imagegallery/albums/Season2/211/caps/thumb_visage_601.jpg
Young Clark Kent
Thursday October 16 14:43:58 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
Elisha Cuthbert's second kidnap/gag scene in '24' is the main reason for the lack of gaggage. The '24' producers took a lot of flak for it because it seemed that they ran out of ideas for her character and had her go through an abduction again.

Possibly producers of shows like 'Smallville' are afriad that having a lead actress B&G will make them look ridiculous.
Thursday October 16 14:46:40 2003
"The Source" AKA "The Surge"
On a whim, I taped this last night on Showtime NEXT and darned if there's not a good scene in it.

Two girls (Melissa Renée Martin & Alice Frank) are attacked, tied up and tape-gagged with putzes as a joke by some other teens. One of them is really cute and she's actually in on the "joke", which she lets the others know once she's ungagged. Not a bad little scene at all.

The next viewing is on 10/27 in the A.M.
http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/81/38/80m.jpg
Vince Grey
vincegrey@thegreyman.net
Thursday October 16 15:00:12 2003
Re: s club seeing double
rachel wrote:

> Some time ago there was a short discussion on the new s
> club movie with some great screen shots from the trailer.
> Looks like the film is out now on DVD but NOT in the US.

Check out the new Rachel pix at boundsingers.net.ms!
http://mitglied.lycos.de/xana2k3/bs-rachel_stevens-index.htm
Thursday October 16 15:03:59 2003
Re: Karen Sisco
> Now here's a danger-babe I don't feel good about at all
> as far as her D-i-D potential goes. Color me
> flabbergasted if Karen gets gagged this year.
>
> http://www.thegreyman.net

Hey, Carla Gugino (the actress who plays Sisco) wore the first-ever pantie gag in a mainstream U.S. movie in the lesbian rape scene in that indie movie she was in a while back, so if she's not gagged, I think it's safe to say it won't be because Gugino isn't a trooper. That said, I suspect that Gugino's heavy-duty action hero character won't be doing DiD stuff until the ratings start to sink.

Pat Powers
Thursday October 16 16:22:15 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungaggable?
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Thursday October 16 16:23:45 2003
Gags/bondage in mainstream XXX
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Thursday October 16 16:23:59 2003
Re: Gags/bondage in mainstream XXX
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Thursday October 16 16:27:19 2003
Why do people prefer mainstream media scenes over commercial scenes?
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Thursday October 16 16:28:43 2003
Re: Gags/bondage in mainstream XXX
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Thursday October 16 16:29:02 2003
Re: Why do people prefer mainstream media scenes over commercial scenes?
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Thursday October 16 16:40:10 2003
Re: s club seeing double

> Check out the new Rachel pix at boundsingers.net.ms!
> http://mitglied.lycos.de/xana2k3/bs-rachel_stevens-index.htm

Now THAT is what I call good caps! Is the digital revolution finally closing in?

Per
Thursday October 16 16:53:32 2003
Re: Windy City Heat
rex wrote:

> > BTW, speaking of Knee High PI, on the Comedy
> Central movie "Windy City Heat" there was a
> quick scene of a bound and cleave gagged detective about
> halfway through.

> Hey JP, where did you get the information for the scene
> in this show?
>Rex

There was a post about it earlier on this page saying there was a tied-up detective midway through (I assumed it was a female). I checked TV Guide online & found that it was showing again tomorrow so I posted the alert. I didn't catch the show myself & so I have not watch the scene myself.


JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Thursday October 16 16:57:16 2003
Re: Karen Sisco
Pat Powers wrote:

> Hey, Carla Gugino (the actress who plays Sisco) wore the
> first-ever pantie gag in a mainstream U.S. movie in the
> lesbian rape scene in that indie movie she was in a while
> back...[SNIP]

"Jade" I believe was the name of that movie wasn't it? Cool little scene I thought.


JP
JAPfeif@aol.com
Thursday October 16 17:31:07 2003
Busy Week
Did you know that in addition to ANGEL and KNEE HIGH PI, the Univision soap, REBECA, had an on screen binding and gagging this week. If it wasn't for good ol' PHILLY ED, I'd have missed it.
Caps & clips of all three are now up at the sight *whew*
http://www.bindher.com/bullboard/global/rebeca/rebec002.jpg
Bindher
bindher@bindher.com
http://www.bindher.com
Thursday October 16 17:54:38 2003
Re: Kristin Kreuk- Ungagable?
Young Clark Kent wrote:

> "Why do I find old ladies tied and gagged instead of
> a hot chick like Lana???"
>

ROFLMAO
Snowcat
Thursday October 16 19:07:10 2003
This week's update
This week: Rosenda Monteros in Cauldron Of Blood, Cynthia Ettinger in Frailty, Griffin Drew in Over The Wire, Libby Tanner in Pacific Drive, and Heather Locklear in T.J. Hooker "The Obsession."

Caveat corner: folks who don't like unhappy endings probably shouldn't watch Frailty, and folks who prefer their bondage free of relatively explicit sex probably shouldn't watch Over The Wire. Word.
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/posts/1017.jpg
Raffish
raffish@abductor.com
http://www.abductor.com/raffish/
Thursday October 16 20:11:30 2003
Re: General Hospital
Tapemaster wrote:

> The bound and gagged scene with "Lydia" just
> happened slightly after 30 min into the show.

I notice this scene did not make it into the database.

Brian R
Thursday October 16 20:17:58 2003
Re: Busy Week
Bindher wrote:

> Did you know that in addition to ANGEL and KNEE HIGH PI,
> the Univision soap, REBECA, had an on screen binding and
> gagging this week.

Just checked them out. I love the scene from Rebeca - what was the context behind it? The guy seems to be tying her up in her own home, and gives her a kiss on the forehead. Was he just a robber, or was something else going on? I checked the database hoping to get some background info on the scene, but didn't see an entry for it.
Jazz411
jazz411@ptd.net
Thursday October 16 21:47:38 2003
Re: Busy Week
Bindher wrote:

> Did you know that in addition to ANGEL and KNEE HIGH PI,
> the Univision soap, REBECA, had an on screen binding and
> gagging this week. If it wasn't for good ol' PHILLY ED,
> I'd have missed it.

Can you or someone please post Philly Ed's web site address? I tried his old address but it redirected me to bindher.com, where I didn't see any links to Philly Ed. Thanx.

Thursday October 16 22:45:05 2003
Re: Busy Week
> Can you or someone please post Philly Ed's web site
> address?

Phily closed up shop a few month's ago. A sad day for us all.
G-MaN
Thursday October 16 22:57:19 2003
Re: 9213 - Aimee McPherson scandal
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> There are 2 others movies with similar story:
> 1. Disappearance of Aimee, The (1976) - Faye Dunaway
> 2. Saving Sister Aimee (2001)
>
> Is there any DID scene on the 2 movies?
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPherson

Don't know if the films have Did scenes...but a few years ago a magazine-American Heritage I think-featured pics of sister Aime herself "recreating"the crime in which she was clearly bound.No gag.I'll search the library for the issue.

Md

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