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| Wednesday May 16 00:18:41 2007 Re: The Ballgag Steps Out |
| Kid Monster wrote:
> After reading the article for a few minutes, I had a > weird realization: I was reading a mainstream magazine, > aimed at kids, with Spider-Man on the cover, with a big > honkin' picture of a woman ball-gagged in it. Wow. > Remember when the only place, and I do mean ONLY place, > that you ever saw a ballgag was in porn? And not even > mainstream porn... It was visual shorthand for the outer > limits of extreme sex, and even in things like Hustler it > was more likely to be seen in a small ad in the back > rather than in a featured pictorial. I don't want to give > away where I work, but I will say it is about the most > porn-free, "offensive"-image free enviroment > imaginable, so I had a weird feeling like I was getting > away with something naughty just by reading the magazine > at lunch. I agree with you that things have changed, but ballgags are still fairly rare in comparison with other kinds of gags, with just a couple of dozen images of ballgags in all of mainstream media. But that, I think, is because ballgags were totally unknown in mainstream TV and films prior to 1989, and there were only a dozen -- at most, probably more like half a dozen -- of ballgags seen in the mainstream through the 90s. I think some directors have finally started to catch on to the dramatic possibilities of ballgags as opposed to other kinds of gags. Ballgags prop the wearer's mouth wide open, and the look of that can be extremely dramatic, especially if the ballgag in question is black, because it's darkness mimics a darkened throat, rather than looking like a ball as is the case with balls colored red or blue. Of course, most ballgags that show up in commercial scenes are red. But a significant number -- at least four that I can think of offhand -- that I've seen in the mainstream are black. There's the one in hostel, the one in the Love Object, the one in Dexter, and there's one from a TV series where the mom wears a black ballgag. All of these involve nonconsensual scenes that are meant to have ramped-up dramatic tension. I hope to see more. Maybe Hostel's use of the ballgag shot as a promotional piece will crank up interest in black ballgags among other, less perceptive directors. We'll see. |
| Pat Powers |
| patpowers1995@yahoo.com |
| http://www.bondagerotica.com |
| Wednesday May 16 00:23:01 2007 Re: Surprise bondage scenes |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> fact that she was a newsanchor and TV host, rather than, > say, a regular on a cop show, resigned me to the fact > that she would never get gagged. But she did... ON A > COOKING SHOW! I never would have seen that coming in a > thousand years. Yeah, those scenes that show up in unusual venues are probably the most surprising, especially if there are no cues that they're coming up. I guess the other great example would be Meredith Viera gettin' it on with the self-bondage in "The View" or the model bund and gagged on 'The Price Is Right.' |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 00:27:12 2007 Re: Surprise bondage scenes |
| moxx of Balhoom wrote:
> One scene I don't think anyone could have predicted was > Moving where Richard Pryor becomes so frustrated with > daugter Stacy Dash ruining his attempts to sell the house > he ends up tieing and gagging her in the celler > "It's for a school project" he tells the > prospective buyers. Oh it's such a sweet little moment Yeah, the surprise element really works well in comedies, which often depends on surprise for its effect. I guess the best example of that would be the seen of the kidnapped British princess in bondage gear in "Whoops Apocalypse." it didn't surprise me as much as it could have because of course I got the film because I damn well know it had a British royal princess in bondage gear in it. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 00:36:18 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I've seen a lot of scenes in my day, maybe as much as > anyone but lately have been trying to remember if I've > ever seen a mainstream scene where an actress was tied up > for fun (and only fun). I can't think of even one. I got intrigued by your challenge so I thought about the scenes on the BIEL site and I decided that one of the most common types of scenes there were as part of hazings or initiations, generally associated with sororities and fraternities. So I went to the ol' Scene Database and typed in the keywords "initiation" "hazing" and "sorority" and got ... nothing. Oh, there were scenes all right, but they were always of the standard DiD variety, nothing involving just fun. But then I tried "prank" and got several hits that did involve tying up as part of activities just for fun. One in particular you are all going to be kicking yourselves over, because the prank is central to the plot. It's "Jawbreaker." Yes, the prank turns out unfortunately for its victim, but that was never anyone's intent -- the gals just intended to haze their friend a bit as part of her birthday celebration, so I think it qualifies. There are several other films listed under the keyword "prank" that I think would qualify as well. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 00:41:35 2007 Re: Suprise scene |
| Woody wrote:
> I too saw the movie, "The Borrower," I have > it on vhs. > Pat were you thinking of another movie? No, it's The Borrower alrighty. I very likely got that detail wrong in my memory, but I remember the bondage had an unusual name that was the subject of controversy on this site many years ago: Tamara Clatterbuck. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 00:45:32 2007 Re: 3 more fall caps |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Others to choose from. > That last damsel with the bit of cloth wadding protruding fro mthe top of the tape gag ... that's NICE. Adds a certain, I dunno, authenticity, to the scene that the others lack. What scene is that from. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 01:44:48 2007 Re: 3 more fall caps |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> What scene is that from. Law and Order: Criminal Intent. |
| Wednesday May 16 02:53:42 2007 Re: The Ballgag Steps Out |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> I agree with you that things have changed, but ballgags > are still fairly rare in comparison with other kinds of > gags, with just a couple of dozen images of ballgags in > all of mainstream media. But that, I think, is because > ballgags were totally unknown in mainstream TV and films > prior to 1989, and there were only a dozen -- at most, > probably more like half a dozen -- of ballgags seen in > the mainstream through the 90s. I don't think the ballgag will ever hit really big. For one thing, they're uncomfortable, so some actresses might balk at one. For another thing, you have to go get one. While some people might just happen to have one lying around the house, everyone has a towel or bandanna or duct tape. It brings an entire unspoken measure of premeditation to a scene, there's something very deliberate about it. You might be doing anything with a roll of duct tape, but you can really only be thinking about one thing when you have a ball gag. And as Kid Monster said, since it has the subtext of extreme sexual situations along with it, then it invites criticism and raises eyebrows where some people don't necessarily want them raised. It can be an element that detracts or distracts, rather than adds to a story. "Pulp Fiction" was really the big break, mainstream wise, for the ballgag. Even now I mostly see them in parodies of that scene. |
| valkyrie |
| http://valthesub.net |
| Wednesday May 16 06:43:14 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I've seen a lot of scenes in my day, maybe as much as > anyone but lately have been trying to remember if I've > ever seen a mainstream scene where an actress was tied up > for fun (and only fun). I can't think of even one. This > strikes me as so odd because it just seems like the most > obvious thing; take away the violent aspects and the > sexual connotations and what's left is... fun. > > Ironically, probably the aspect that most people enjoy is > the fun part of it; it's all over youtube and the old > biel site but I'm wondering why there has never been one > (or hardly any) mainstream scenes that depict that. Really odd, imho. Another interesting challenge, I can think of several 'pranks' that have been played out on British Tv but few that were actually fun for the damsel, alas. Hollyoaks for example, has two such scenes, during Student rag week Wendy Glenn was kidnapped by freshers and returned to her home hands tied in front and cleve gagged a day or two later (begging the question did they keep her tied up all that time?). Another time rowdy students kidnapped barmaid Elize Du Toit and left her gagged & tied to a tree with scarves. In the medical Soap Casualty a locum doctor once so upset her colleages they snuck into the on-call room while she was asleep and tied her to the bed with bandages and other medical restraints Slightly more borderline is the early 80s sit com Chintz, in one episode two couples are playing Bridge when the men start discussing a news story in which a burglar had broken into a house, bound and gagged the wife in the kitchen and ransacked the upstairs all without disturbing the husband who was watching TV. To cut a long story short they decide to reconstruct the crime and a reluctant Michelle Dotrice is taken out to the kitchen where she is tied to a chair and gagged, still clutching her playing cards. In the soap Eastenders the charector Tiffany (Martine McCutcheon) was enjoying a romantic valentine's day with her policeman boyfriend in his flat and persuaded him to use his handcuffs on her, as best i remember she spent a few minutes sipping champagne with her hands cuffed in front of her and making out. And finally back to Hollyoaks where just a few weeks ago two teenage girls were rehearsing Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew - Act II Scene I, which for those of you who don't know is the scene where a bound Bianca is interrogated by her sister Kate. A sweet playful scene with a very cute blonde actress in medieval style gown, her wrists bound in front of her with a scarf or towel, practising her lines and pottering about the flat as if having her hands tied was the most natural thing in the world. |
| moxx of Balhoom |
| Wednesday May 16 07:26:56 2007 Surprise scenes |
| A couple of oddities just occured to me.
Towards the end of the 1974 horror comedy Old Dracula (AKA Vampira) David Niven's Dracula approaches a cowering Jennie Linden with his tie stretched light between his hands as if about to strangel her. A few minutes later however we see he has used the tie to gag her and she is tied up inside a dumb waiter. For reasons I forget in the 1947 comedy Hue and Cry a gang of boys pounce on an unsuspecting secretary and tie her to her chair. Also sunset Beach had a couple of surprise scenes towards the end of it's run, first when Cole threw Annie over his shoulder and carried her upstairs over his shoulder I didn;t really excpect for her to wind up tied and gagged on the bed, let alone for the scene to run for 3 or 4 days And shortly after that when Annie decided to sneak on board a plane disguised as an air hostess there was a lovely surprise scene of the real hostess, sans uniform tied and gagged in a cupboard |
| moxx of Balhoom |
| Wednesday May 16 09:50:55 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| > (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > > I've seen a lot of scenes in my day, maybe as much > as > > anyone but lately have been trying to remember if > I've > > ever seen a mainstream scene where an actress was > tied up > > for fun (and only fun). I can't think of even one. What about that hot Latina weather girl that was tied up on the Despierta America morning show? [Can't recall her name right now] Seems that would qualify as both an unexpected scene and one that was done for fun. |
| MT |
| Wednesday May 16 09:58:19 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| MT wrote:
> What about that hot Latina weather girl that was tied up > on the Despierta America morning show? [Can't recall her > name right now] "Jackie Guerrido" she wears short & tight minis doing the weather. Got to love that as well |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday May 16 09:58:56 2007 Re: 3 more fall caps |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Others to choose from. > Could someone id this last one on the bottom with the over the mouth and some packing (apparently). I don't rec this one. Nice. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday May 16 10:09:31 2007 Who would you cast? - The Abel edition |
| Okay, people, I've been reading a few "who would you cast" posts lately, so I decided to do the same.
A few days ago, I visited one of the "alternate reality" sites created for the new Nine Inch Nails album "Year Zero". NIN is my favorite band, and if you disagree, please, oh PLEASE, don't write it on this board. This is a mainstream-bondage board, not a music board (see, Mr. Moderator? I've learned my lesson now). Anyway, this site, entitled "Be The Hammer", includes a story about someone who interrogates a 19-year old “liberatadora” that he presumably guards, while as a soldier or police officer. Here are a few excerpts from the story (profanity deleted, capitalization preserved): "i’m sitting on a metal folding chair in a catholic church basement. there’s a liberatadora tied into another one of those cheap chairs, she’s nineteen and righteous and spitting mad. she’s got a cross hanging on a chain between her t**s her name is mallory and she organized a dance series for young people where certain kinds of politics were a kind of foreplay between the beer first and the f*****g afterwards." "ugly words come out of her pretty mouth like s**t from a flower." "i want to say They are going to kill you, mallory, if you don’t shut up, but she can’t stop talking she’s passionate that way." "finally i told her to shut up that she was dead already that she was going to be stoned that they were going to pulp her young body with rocks what a waste. still tied to that chair." "here’s the funny part she made me cut off a lock of her hair I didn’t want to i didn’t want to take out my knife but tied in that chair she made me do it." Just imagine it... an insane guy interrogating a 19-year-old that keeps saying bad things (gotta love the "like s**t from a flower" punchline!). Reminds me of the recent Marisol Nichols scene from "24". Now, the question: if you were about to turn this story into a movie, who would you cast? Read the full story at the link below. |
| This is what Abel |
| http://bethehammer.net/mallory.htm |
| Wednesday May 16 10:31:09 2007 Attn: Korean Fans - One Favour? |
| Mind running through your better US google?
"Heat", and see if connected to "Goh Hyun-jung" (Favoured at moment) Heat from my air-sched, what often makes up it's own titles for some reason? Plot should revolve around a bad-guy that braids the loose ends of the rope after tying/gagging {David & Juliette should try that} Any assist appreciated Thanks |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday May 16 13:39:20 2007 Re: The Ballgag Steps Out |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> that I can think of offhand -- that I've seen in the > mainstream are black. There's the one in hostel, the one > in the Love Object, the one in Dexter, and there's one > from a TV series where the mom wears a black ballgag. CSI: NY had four gals with white ballgags and the Lifetime movie "Friend of the Family" had a red ballgag. |
| civil |
| Wednesday May 16 13:54:30 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > > I've seen a lot of scenes in my day, maybe as much > as > > anyone but lately have been trying to remember if > I've > > ever seen a mainstream scene where an actress was > tied up > > for fun (and only fun). I can't think of even one. This is actually fitting for both this topic and the "Surprise Bondage" topic: Christine Taylor (Ben Stiller's wifey and stars in most of his movies, as well as Marcia from the new Brady Bunch movies) was "captured" by the opposing team during a capture-the-flag type thing. If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of rope and either a yellow or blue bandana used as a cleave gag. Loved her hopping! Come to think of it, she's in definite need of a new scene! |
| Rocky |
| Wednesday May 16 14:08:22 2007 Re: Surprise scenes |
| Sweet Valley High's Kidnapped episode was a surprise with its bondage-filled plot considering it was a light-hearted teen comedy series |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HB7l2qp1ZA |
| Wednesday May 16 14:11:15 2007 Re: Surprise scenes |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Sweet Valley High's Kidnapped episode was a surprise with > its bondage-filled plot considering it was a Holly Robinson getting tape-gagged in "Mr. Cooper" after avoiding a gag for many years in some thriller movies and "21 Jump Street." |
| Wednesday May 16 14:57:49 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| I may have some of this wrong...but I remeber an old early 80's movie called Electric Dreams. It starred Virginia Madsen and had a new-lovers-in-the-park montage and one of the quick scenes had her tied up with her coat. It lasted about 2 seconds...but it was definiatly just some "fun" tying up. |
| Wednesday May 16 16:07:17 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| Looks like fun |
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| Wednesday May 16 16:34:01 2007 Re: Tied up for fun |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Looks like fun This is from a movie entitled "Blind", and the bound and gagged actress is Katie Groshong. |
| Hadji |
| Wednesday May 16 17:55:12 2007 Re: Surprise bondage scenes |
| Pat Powers wrote:
> Some scenes, however, are total surprises. There's > absolutely no set-up, no musical or situational cues to > let you know one is coming up. Those tend to make more of > an impression because they're more of a visual shock. There was a Canadian Children's TV show called Polka Dot Door that ran from 1971-1993. It took place in a playhouse, and there was a male and female host and a bunch of stuffed toys. There was an episode where the female host's hands were tied behind her back with red ribbon. (The guy wasn't around.) Then she cheerfully demonstrated that it was difficult to do anything without the use of your hands. The actress may have been Gloria Ruben. I don't know what episode it was, but if anybody wants to contact TVO in Toronto and attempt to have a discussion about bondage on an old kid's TV show, have at it. |
| Sylvie |
| Wednesday May 16 20:50:58 2007 Re: The Ballgag Steps Out |
| valkyrie wrote:
> Pat Powers wrote: > I don't think the ballgag will ever hit really big. > For one thing, they're uncomfortable, so some actresses > might balk at one. Some will, but I suspect that most won't especially those in low-budget films that might use ballgags for extra drama, or guest stars on TV shows that do the same. Somebody like Jessica Alba might have the clout to refuse to wear one with impunity, but most actresses don't want to get a rep for being difficult. > For another thing, you have to go get one. While some > people might just happen to have one lying around the > house, everyone has a towel or bandanna or duct tape. > It brings an entire unspoken measure of premeditation to > a scene, there's something very deliberate about it. You > might be doing anything with a roll of duct tape, but you > can really only be thinking about one thing when you have > a ball gag. And as Kid Monster said, since it has the > subtext of extreme sexual situations along with it, then > it invites criticism and raises eyebrows where some > people don't necessarily want them raised. It can be an > element that detracts or distracts, rather than adds to a > story. This is a minor point, from the POV of a film or TV director. As Van likes to say, it's all about the drama. Whether a damsel is gagged with cloth, tape or a ballgag are unimportant details to most directors, compared with how much dramatic impact each contributes to the scene. Most directors don't really focus on the bondage in DiD scenes, that's why there are so many loosies, thin cleave gags and hands in front scenes. But some do, and as soon as they see a woman in a black ball gag they will immediately see the dramatic impact it has, and that'll be that. The fact that a ballgag implies intent is totally a totally unimportant detail to most directors. > "Pulp Fiction" was really the big break, > mainstream wise, for the ballgag. Even now I mostly see them in parodies of that scene. I agree that Pulp Fiction was the big break for the ballgag in mainstream. But most scenes in mainstream that I know of aren't parodies of it. With the exception of the one in Plump Fiction. That was definitely a parody. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 21:13:36 2007 Re: The Ballgag Steps Out |
| civil wrote:
> CSI: NY had four gals with white ballgags and the > Lifetime movie "Friend of the Family" had a red ballgag. Yep, with two dozen scenes and only four I can think of offhand with ballgags, there might well be 18 or so scenes out there with red or other colored gags. Other red ballgags would include Plump Fiction, The Gigolo, King of the Road and Night Visitor. |
| Pat Powers |
| Wednesday May 16 21:41:23 2007 Crimminal Minds |
| The serial killer has kidnapped a girl on crimminal minds .I'm not sure how old she is but the parents were out and they didn't show a babysitter ,although she may be dead inside the house, another unwilling organ donor for Frank.
Chris P.S If she's very young my apologies.Have a good night! |
| Chris |
| Wednesday May 16 21:56:10 2007 Re: Crimminal Minds |
| Kidnapped victim found in closet with her hands bound behind her and tape gagged. Occurs in last 10min.
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| Wednesday May 16 21:58:21 2007 Re: Crimminal Minds |
| Also around the midway point, flashback of scene were lady was chained by her foot to a bed. (originally aired in ep 2.1).
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| civil |
| Wednesday May 16 21:58:30 2007 Re: Crimminal Minds |
| Way too young
Chris wrote: The serial killer has kidnapped a girl on crimminal minds .I'm not sure how old she is but the parents were out and they didn't show a babysitter ,although she may be dead inside the house, another unwilling organ donor for Frank. Chris P.S If she's very young my apologies.Have a good night! |
| Seeker |
| Wednesday May 16 22:34:31 2007 Re: 3 more fall caps |
| doug wrote:
> Could someone id this last one on the bottom with the > over the mouth and some packing (apparently). I don't > rec this one. Nice. Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Katherine Erbe. I don't know about your browser, but on my computer, if you put your mouse arrow (or "hand", if that's what your comp has!) on the pic & leave it for a second, the URL of the pic appears, and the end of the URL often has the name of the show the pic is from . All 6 of those posted yesterday (including the one you asked about) had the name of the show in the URL. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Wednesday May 16 23:26:35 2007 More Fall TV News |
| NBC, CBS, & ABC have announced their fall schedules. I see three shows that look promising (meaning *possible*).
NBC—"Women's Murder Club" / scheduled for 9 PM, Fridays. We've already discussed this one, & drooled over the cast. CBS—"Moonlight" / scheduled for 9 PM, Fridays. (Same as WMC, Dammit!) This show looks "Angel"-esque, a vampire solving crimes; however, his girlfriend will be... AMBER VALLETTA!! (All together now... *DROOL*!) ABC—"The Bionic Woman" / scheduled for 9 PM, Wednesdays. Yes, the pilot made the cut. Let's see now... that leaves FOX, CW, & the other little guys. Maybe one will announce a "Sweet Gwendoline" series, but I'm not holding my breath. |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
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