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| Tuesday January 23 00:49:02 2007 Re: The Fan Club (by Irving Wallace) |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> I couldn't see it being a box-office success back in the > early-1980s. Yeah, and IMHO it wouldn't be a success today, either, either on film or on the stage. Partly for all the reasons already noted, but also: 1. In the novel, almost every plot development is telegraphed in advance to the reader. There's no suspense, no surprise, not even the ending. To make matters worse, there are huge plot holes throughout the book. Most are completely ignored. 2. In the novel, every character's motivation is trite, almost inane. They are all not only unlikable but painted so thin as to be not just two-dimensional but also almost transparent. Wallace gave us cartoon characters. 3. In the novel, the actual dialogue is so stupefying, so predictable, so pedestrian, so...so '70s, that it's almost as if we're reading bad hentai dialogue from a manga comic or animation. Actually, most manga is better--it's self-consciously ironic! something Wallace couldn't even imagine. Given all of that, consider the task confronting a director (stage or screen). Screenwriters would be needed to fill in the holes, write decent dialogue, flesh out the characters. Huge job, and with no guarantee that the effort would be successful. Only then would a director have enough substance to begin shaping things...and that's just the beginning. Reading this thread made me recall when the novel first came out. Among the people I hung with, one encountered three typical reactions: * disbelief that anyone would write a novel like that * disbelief that anyone would read a novel like that * disbelief that the book was selling as well as it was! Per the first: perhaps these good folks hadn't encountered "LGPATA" yet, or had ignored Fowles' "The Collector," either in novel form or on the screen. Or maybe they had, but the contrast between Wallace's poor effort and those other two truly remarkable works was too much to handle. Per the second: Well, in the mid-to-late '70s, bondage was just emerging into the mass market, slipping out of peep shows and 8mm stag films, and into glossy mags (e.g. "Bondage Life," cinema releases (e.g. "Behind the Green Door"), and skillfully written books (by Campbell, for example, as illustrated by Robert Bishop). But many people weren't yet hip to this. Wallace's attempt to mainstream the subject in a mass-market trade book (as opposed to Fowles' highly restricted literary release) sort of blew the cover off the scene for these folks. Per the third: Someone once said (I'm paraphrasing here) that nobody ever went broke underestimating the public's willingness to consume cheap goods. Well, "The Fan Club" is just that. So it surely did sell, at least for a while. So maybe it just might succeed as a film, at that: after all, there are lots and lots of trashy cinema releases each year. Some of them make lots of money, too. But it surely wouldn't succeed as a stage play. Not at current off-off-off Broadway ticket prices, my dears. Ain't no angel gonna risk a grubstake flogging that property. Anyway, sorry for sounding so harsh. But somebody gotta speak out against the madness! |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 01:19:51 2007 Re: Passions - Emily Harper Clip & MP3's |
| Wavy wrote:
> I included two nice mp3 files along with the > clip, as Emily had a couple of very nice little verbal > scenes which as mentioned earlier, I happen to love. > Hope you enjoy! Thanks Wavy, great stuff there. Love the mp3's. Was waiting to see this all day. Is this a great start to the week or what? 2 soap scenes and another Alexandra Paul scene. Thanks to all for the alerts and scene times/info/updates. |
| Big MT |
| bigmt991@yahoo.com |
| http://bigmtdid.blogspot.com |
| Tuesday January 23 02:12:38 2007 Re: Passions - Emily Harper Clip & MP3's |
| Big MT wrote:
> Thanks Wavy, great stuff there. Agreed, and I got something to return the favour which figure he going to fancy in a big way. ;) |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday January 23 02:13:43 2007 Re: Passions - Emily Harper Clip & MP3's |
| Wavy wrote:
> I included two nice mp3 files along with the > clip, as Emily had a couple of very nice little verbal > scenes which as mentioned earlier, I happen to love. > Hope you enjoy! Thanks Wavy, great stuff there. Love the mp3's. Was waiting to see this all day. Is this a great start to the week or what? 2 soap scenes and another Alexandra Paul scene. Thanks to all for the alerts and scene times/info/updates. |
| Big MT |
| bigmt991@yahoo.com |
| http://bigmtdid.blogspot.com |
| Tuesday January 23 04:28:03 2007 Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| I'm not sure if there were any bondage scenes in previous episodes, but tonight's episode of Home & Away came good with Jessica Tovey found by the police bound and gagged to a concrete stump in the sub-floor area of a house. The scene only lasted 20 secs. There were no other scenes since she was kept unrestrained in a locked room of the house prior to being found.
A few caps: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4543/ha20070123019zv.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5112/ha20070123023fy.jpg And the full broadcast MPEG-2 video of the scene (18MB): http://www.mediafire.com/?9rqaknjtywi |
| Kuba lister |
| Tuesday January 23 05:46:06 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Kuba lister wrote:
> but tonight's episode of Home & Away came > good with Jessica Tovey found by the police bound and > gagged to a concrete stump Nice catch boss! Never seen this show before, but there sure seems to be a lot of them. EPguides says that this is episode 4337, or episode 20x7, depending on your preference. I garner this by the date of the clip you linked to. Take that info at your own discretion. In any event, I thought since you were kind enough to post the mpeg-2 version for us, I would make it more manageable and convert to a high-res DivX clip. The source has a bit of a goofy aspect ratio, as well as some jaggies on the sides. However, I opted not to crop and simply to leave the source as is. The file is a 4.54 mb zip. That should make it a tad more friendly for dial-up users eh? Just remember you must have the current DivX codec installed to view it. |
| Wavy |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| http://www.slumberville.com/zgalleries/home_&_away.zip |
| Tuesday January 23 06:08:17 2007 Re: Demons from her Past |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
Little dark setting, but nice mmmpppffing > and pretty good closeups as Alexandra struggles for 15 > minutes while bound and gagged. When will this movie air again? |
| Hadji |
| Tuesday January 23 06:54:39 2007 YouTube Finds |
| Does anyone remember "Fatal Journey: Rough Cut 1"? Frequent YouTube visitors may remember it. It's a "rough cut" of a kidnap scene for a short film. The damsel got bound and gagged with duct tape in that video. It was a pretty realistic scene. The actress did some very nice struggling and mmmphing.
Three months ago, the director of this video did another clip, named "Intro To Fatal Journey: Rough Cut". This video is TOTALLY different than the previous one. There are two damsels in this video. The first one, a hot blonde, is shown with her hands tied behind her back and gagged with a black ball-gag. The captors remove her gag, and, after a bunch of minutes, they pop it back in her mouth (notice the continuity error with her hair). Then, the same captors bring a second damsel, a brunette, which also has her hands behind her back. The captors gag her loosely with tape, put a hood on her head and take her off-screen. The clip ends here. I hope the tape gag is better applied in the next video! :D Both of these videos are samples from an upcoming series named "The Hidden Battle" (http://www.thehiddenbattle.com). Also, the same director has posted a short film on YouTube, named "Foresight". It has some blink-and-you-miss-it shots of a girl gagged tightly with black tape. Too bad it's too short. But it proves that the director is One Of Us... You can see all of his videos in the URL below. |
| Abel |
| http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fatlark |
| Tuesday January 23 06:58:37 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Wavy wrote:
> In any event, I thought since you were kind enough to > post the mpeg-2 version for us, I would make it more > manageable and convert to a high-res DivX clip. The > source has a bit of a goofy aspect ratio, as well as some > jaggies on the sides. However, I opted not to crop and > simply to leave the source as is. Goofy aspect ratio? It's 16:9 widescreen anamorphic as broadcast. Nothing goofy about that - exactly the same as a widescreen DVD. What IS goofy is converting a video from a container format that does support anamorphic ratios (MPG) into one that doesn't support it, i.e. AVI. It's a much better idea to convert to a container format that does support anamorphic display ratios such as .MP4 with the AVC/H.264 video codec or a WMV file, unless you want to crop the vertical resolution to allow for a 1:1 display ratio. |
| Kuba lister |
| Tuesday January 23 07:31:40 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Kuba lister wrote:
> What IS goofy is converting a video from a container > format that does support anamorphic ratios (MPG) into one > that doesn't support it, i.e. AVI. Next time I'll let your expertise prevail in providing a viable file size for a 23 second clip. Pardon my horrible choice in containers. My Tupperware representative always said I had horrible judgment when it came to those. |
| Wavy |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 07:34:18 2007 Re: General Hospital -- Mon Jan 22 |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Tapemaster wrote: > > > At the beginning of the episode, there is an arrest > / > > handcuffed behind the back scene for > "Alexis" > > (Nancy Lee Grahn). > > Where's the gag? What's wrong with these soap writers? Hello! She's being "arrested" not kidnapped, you wally! I certainly can't remember the last time the police gagged the person they were arresting! For once the poor writer isn't to blame! |
| Oliver Cromwell |
| Tuesday January 23 07:55:36 2007 Re: General Hospital -- Mon Jan 22 |
| Oliver Cromwell wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > Where's the gag? What's wrong with these soap > writers? > Hello! She's being "arrested" not kidnapped, > you wally! I certainly can't remember the last time the > police gagged the person they were arresting! For once > the poor writer isn't to blame! I'm pretty sure that he was joking when he said that. Even though gag snobs like myself wish that EVERY bondage scene would include a gag, we are well aware that a gag is almost never included for an arrest scene. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 09:20:58 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Wavy wrote:
> Next time I'll let your expertise prevail in providing a > viable file size for a 23 second clip. Pardon my horrible > choice in containers. My Tupperware representative always > said I had horrible judgment when it came to those. I just made a 90% quality based encoding to WMV format (4.1MB size): http://www.mediafire.com/?autmjtegyj2 And a 1500kbps MP4 file using the H.264/AVC video codec and AAC audio codec (4.6MB): http://www.mediafire.com/?1kxnmdmioiz The MP4 file is very good quality (very close to the original) at 25% of the file size. |
| Tuesday January 23 10:26:45 2007 Re: General Hospital -- Mon Jan 22 |
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> > I'm pretty sure that he was joking when he said that. we are well aware that a gag > is almost never included for an arrest scene. Yes, but when they are, it's GREAT! Remember that Passions soap scene with that hot redhead and the gag and the restraint and the wonder of it all... |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 10:38:23 2007 Re: Passions - Emily Harper Clip & MP3's |
| Wavy wrote:
> Okay, I'm feeling generous tonight. I love those speaking scenes also. I love them A Lot... This was actually a great scene in my opinion. I love the way Soaps make you suspend disbelief. They are almost pure fantasy, and that's, ....okay. I loved the fake "passout." lol thanks Wavy man. |
| doug |
| doug5759@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 10:47:13 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Wavy wrote:
>I thought since you were kind enough to > post the mpeg-2 version for us Wavy, you are indefatiguable in support of the members of this Forum, and I, too, thank you for those efforts. And to your various sources as well. |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 11:29:14 2007 Killin' time at work |
| What's a guy to do when he has to browse a website looking for photos of different foods for work (helping design a website)
Anyways...went to istockphoto.com looking for things. It's an image hosting site where you pay a one time fee to use pictures. So I figure most of these pictures are from amateur photographers or something...and to kill time I decide to punch in a search for "gagged" and among the many pictures of women with a taped "X" over their mouths, I found this beauty: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/style_and_design/abstracts/conceptual_abstracts/1099119_captive.php?id=1099119 Ah...nice way to kill time at work! |
| WilltheBloody |
| Tuesday January 23 11:39:55 2007 Heroes-Episode 12 "Godsend" 1-22-07 |
| I don't think anyone mentioned this, but there were some minor scenes on last night's Heroes with the beautiful Ali Larter who plays Niki Sanders/Jessica.
Early in the episode she was seen placed in cuffs with her hands in front as she was led from her cell to be questioned by her lawyer. The second scene was at the end of the episode and this is of interest to those who are into straitjackets. Niki was placed in a straitjacket while in a padded cell with both arms through the arm loop and the crotch strap was visible as well. Not a whole lot was scene as these were brief shots, but worth checking out if straitjackets are your thing in the rerun of this episode. No gags. |
| Bradley316 |
| demonsnow@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 13:25:38 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Wavy wrote:
Next time I'll let your expertise prevail in providing a viable file size for a 23 second clip. Pardon my horrible choice in containers. My Tupperware representative always said I had horrible judgment when it came to those. The expression 'biting the hand that feeds you' comes to mind. The poster took the time to upload a technically perfect clip and kindly directed all to the appropriate link, and yet received nothing but complaints / criticism - I'm certainly confused . I assume (and hope) he'll think twice next time before offering anything else. |
| Stephanie |
| Tuesday January 23 14:25:39 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Stephanie wrote:
> The poster took the time to upload a technically perfect > clip and kindly directed all to the appropriate link, and > yet received nothing but complaints / criticism I'm assuming that I am the one who criticized? Honestly, this post confused me at fist. Nonetheless, there was nothing wrong with what the original posted linked to. When I made comments about the clip, I was referring to the result of my conversion, not the original mpeg-2 file. So if you are in fact insinuating that I am the ungrateful one, that is not what I meant at all, though it was like 5 am at the time. The one thing the poster didn't take into account when he lambasted me for my trying to help the bandwidth-challenged, however, is that perhaps AVI is the only format I can convert to from mpeg-2. That is in fact the case. ;-) If anybody got their feelings hurt here, I'm sorry for that. As I wrote in my initial post, it was a great catch and I certainly appreciated the effort, as I always do. I guess sometimes you just can't win, even when you're trying to help. |
| Wavy |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 15:07:15 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Kuba lister wrote:
> I'm not sure if there were any bondage scenes in previous > episodes, but tonight's episode of Home & Away came > good with Jessica Tovey found by the police bound and > gagged... Thanks for that mate. I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of also mentioning this over on Rob's Damsels, since Home and Away airs here in the UK, albeit a bit behind Oz, of course. |
| Martin |
| Tuesday January 23 15:11:56 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| > The expression 'biting the hand that feeds you' comes to
> mind. > The poster took the time to upload a technically perfect > clip and kindly directed all to the appropriate link, and > yet received nothing but complaints / criticism - I'm > certainly confused . I assume (and hope) he'll think > twice next time before offering anything else. My thoughts exactly. I was shocked to see people treat the original poster of the clip poorly while praising Wavvy. Why the hell was it necessary to recompress the clip anyways? Who doesn't have a broadband connection these days? So thank you for posting the clip, Kuba lister. As someone who does a lot of semiprofessional filmmaking, I can see from your post that you clearly know what you're talking about with regards to compression and aspect ratio. I'll take MPEG-2 over MP4-based codecs any day of the week. |
| Not a Guest |
| Tuesday January 23 15:13:06 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Could have been a doctor but chose acting instead. With Home and Away beiong her first gig, probably wondering "Am I always going to get tied up??" |
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| Tuesday January 23 15:30:24 2007 Re: Let's Go Slow Here |
| Stephanie wrote:
> IMHO the original poster 'kubalister' was tossed aside > ignored in his generous posting (subsequent posters > thanking Wavy Don't believe I responded to Kublister posts (rather was Passions? clip), as haven't had a look at it yet. Post intent was to set Wavy and friends up for "The W Files" chloro wedding pass-around clip. Hope Kublister realises this and that Wavy always one whom thanks when clips sent his way and he'll be thanking when he gets "The W Files", with no offence taken |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday January 23 15:42:56 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Sill a nice scene
"Belle gets into a stranger's car after a party, with dire consequences." |
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| http://www.seven.com.au/homeandaway/pictures-this-week |
| Tuesday January 23 15:48:51 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> http://www.seven.com.au/homeandaway/pictures-this-week Interesting that angle was never shown in the show. Best shot of the damsel is the photo. |
| Tuesday January 23 16:28:55 2007 Re: brittany daniel |
| Wish they were roped like Nancy Drew and friends, although the gags are great |
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| Tuesday January 23 18:12:30 2007 Saw 3 |
| There is no discription of the scene from this movie in the database. Is the scene good?
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| JRO |
| Tuesday January 23 18:40:57 2007 Re: YouTube Finds |
| Thanks for sharing Abel! That was pretty cool. Nice black ball gag.
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| Viking |
| Tuesday January 23 19:22:02 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 19:22:46 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 19:23:39 2007 Re: Alexis Laree TNA |
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| Tuesday January 23 19:24:08 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 19:24:45 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 19:31:46 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| > http://www.seven.com.au/homeandaway/pictures-this-week
> > Interesting that angle was never shown in the show. Best shot of the damsel is the photo. The camera's flash sure helps |
| Tuesday January 23 19:38:28 2007 passions? |
| anything on Passions today? there was talk that the situiation with Fancy could possible continue today. The bad guy was in the closet or something like that. |
| Tuesday January 23 19:42:16 2007 Question |
| Greetings. I was just wondering if anyone knows weather Patricia Blair, the hot redhead from the old Daniel Boone series, ever got a full treatment scene. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
| Vlad |
| Tuesday January 23 19:56:06 2007 The Signal |
| Just caught the world premiere of this one at Sundance. There's some decent stuff for us in the first half -- see database for more info. |
| Raffish |
| Tuesday January 23 19:57:22 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Martin wrote:
> Kuba lister wrote: > > > I'm not sure if there were any bondage scenes in > previous > > episodes, but tonight's episode of Home & Away > came > > good with Jessica Tovey found by the police bound > and > > gagged... > > Thanks for that mate. I hope you don't mind, but I took > the liberty of also mentioning this over on Rob's > Damsels, since Home and Away airs here in the UK, albeit > a bit behind Oz, of course. No worries, but I just noticed something really sinister - Google is censoring the Rob's Damsels site! I just did a google search for "Rob's Damsels" and the first listing was the correct one however google has placed a link redirect to a warning page that "visiting this web site may harm your computer!" What the hell is up with that????? It's the first time I've seen Google tell me which sites I shouldn't visit. |
| Tuesday January 23 20:10:09 2007 Re: passions? |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> anything on Passions today? there was talk that the > situiation with Fancy could possible continue today. The > bad guy was in the closet or something like that. At the end of Monday's episode, the villain was in the closet while Fancy was talking with some other people. Unfortunately, I forgot to record it today. Does anyone else know if anything happened? |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday January 23 20:27:47 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> I just did a google search for "Rob's Damsels" > and the first listing was the correct one however google > has placed a link redirect to a warning page that > "visiting this web site may harm your > computer!" > What the hell is up with that????? > It's the first time I've seen Google tell me which sites I shouldn't visit. That's Google trying to enforce copyright rules, as they have agreed to do in some instances. Obviously, there is nothing on Rob's site that actually WOULD harm your computer. |
| Tuesday January 23 20:40:26 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > > > I just did a google search for "Rob's > Damsels" > > and the first listing was the correct one however > > has placed a link redirect to a warning page that > > "visiting this web site may harm your > > computer!" > > What the hell is up with that????? > > It's the first time I've seen Google tell me which > sites I shouldn't visit. > > That's Google trying to enforce copyright rules, as they > have agreed to do in some instances. Obviously, there is > nothing on Rob's site that actually WOULD harm your computer. That was my point, why on earth is Google putting a bogus message that is effectively lying to their users and contributing to FUD? Aren't the already rolling in cash from advertising revenue to stoop to the level of internet nanny for censorship and ruin their reputation? |
| Kuba lister |
| Tuesday January 23 21:28:54 2007 Re: The Fan Club (by Irving Wallace) |
| Dannysuling wrote:
> Yeah, and IMHO it wouldn't be a success today, either, > either on film or on the stage. Partly for all the > reasons already noted, but also: > > 1. In the novel, almost every plot development is > telegraphed in advance to the reader. There's no > suspense, no surprise, not even the ending. To make > matters worse, there are huge plot holes throughout the > book. Most are completely ignored. The point of the story isn't how tight the plotting is, it's how the various characters interact. All the plot has to do is get the characters together in that isolated mountain cabin so they can interact. > 2. In the novel, every character's motivation is trite, > almost inane. They are all not only unlikable but painted > so thin as to be not just two-dimensional but also almost > transparent. Wallace gave us cartoon characters. Ill grant you that. 'Cause it's true. But that's what script doctors are for. And actors and actresses can make words seem amazingly lifelike when they speak them, I hear. If Independence Day had been a novel, for instance, people would be comparing it unfavorably to the works of Pel Torro, famously bad SF writer. But as a movie, it works a lot better. > 3. In the novel, the actual dialogue is so stupefying, so > predictable, so pedestrian, so...so '70s, that it's > almost as if we're reading bad hentai dialogue from a > manga comic or animation. Actually, most manga is > better--it's self-consciously ironic! something Wallace > couldn't even imagine. I've watched a lot of hentai and it's just amazing how much a really, intense, raunchy bondage scene can make up for bad dialogue. > Given all of that, consider the task confronting a > director (stage or screen). Screenwriters would be needed > to fill in the holes, write decent dialogue, flesh out > the characters. Huge job, and with no guarantee that the > effort would be successful. Only then would a director > have enough substance to begin shaping things...and > that's just the beginning. Sounds like your typical Hollywood treatment. But I think it could be done. A hottie spending her entire role naked and in bondage would be quite the challenge. (And this is the REAL reason I think it would be hard to make a screen version or even a play based on The Fan Club -- all that nudity in a mainstream film, not to mention the sex. Mainstream films are getting less sexy, not more sexy, of late.) > Reading this thread made me recall when the novel first > came out. Among the people I hung with, one encountered > three typical reactions: > > * disbelief that anyone would write a novel like that > * disbelief that anyone would read a novel like that > * disbelief that the book was selling as well as it was! > > Per the first: perhaps these good folks hadn't > encountered "LGPATA" yet, or had ignored > Fowles' "The Collector," either in novel form > or on the screen. Or maybe they had, but the contrast > between Wallace's poor effort and those other two truly > remarkable works was too much to handle. > > Per the second: Well, in the mid-to-late '70s, bondage > was just emerging into the mass market, slipping out of > peep shows and 8mm stag films, and into glossy mags (e.g. > "Bondage Life," cinema releases (e.g. > "Behind the Green Door"), and skillfully > written books (by Campbell, for example, as illustrated > by Robert Bishop). But many people weren't yet hip to > this. Wallace's attempt to mainstream the subject in a > mass-market trade book (as opposed to Fowles' highly > restricted literary release) sort of blew the cover off > the scene for these folks. Methinks the mainstream doth protest too much. To hear 'em talk, they don't like bondage, sex, nudity or hoochie-koochie dancin' neither. Yet strip clubs and porn sites abound. Including bondage porn sites. Enough to make a guy cynical. > Per the third: Someone once said (I'm paraphrasing here) > that nobody ever went broke underestimating the public's > willingness to consume cheap goods. Well, "The Fan > Club" is just that. So it surely did sell, at least > for a while. I heard there was never a film made about it, because when it was in development, there were several recent high-profile cases of abductions of starlets by stalkers, particularly the asshat who killed a former child TV star he'd been obsessing over, and execs were afraid The Fan Club would be blamed for any stalkerish kidnapping that might occur subsequent to its release. > So maybe it just might succeed as a film, at that: after > all, there are lots and lots of trashy cinema releases > each year. Some of them make lots of money, too. You truly understand the movie business. > But it surely wouldn't succeed as a stage play. Not at > current off-off-off Broadway ticket prices, my dears. > Ain't no angel gonna risk a grubstake flogging that property. You don't think the success of "Urinetown" has paved the way for female leads in bondage? > Anyway, sorry for sounding so harsh. But somebody gotta > speak out against the madness! Why apologize, it was a very cogent argument. Now if you'd just said, "Fan Club is the suxxors, dood!" you'd have something to apologize for. (My apologies to anyone who was contemplating posting that "Fan Club is the suxxors, dood!") BTW, there's a bad B-movie that kinda feels like what The Fan Club might have been if it had been made as a TV movie. Check out my homepage link for my review of same. |
| Pat Powers |
| patpowers1995@yahoo.com |
| http://www.bondagerotica.com/articles/stealingcandy/stealingcandy.html |
| Tuesday January 23 21:45:35 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 21:47:15 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
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| Tuesday January 23 21:52:02 2007 Re: Question |
| Vlad wrote:
> Greetings. I was just wondering if anyone knows weather > Patricia Blair, the hot redhead from the old Daniel Boone > series, ever got a full treatment scene. What happened when you checked the Database? |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday January 23 22:21:26 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Kuba lister wrote:
> That was my point, why on earth is Google putting a bogus > message that is effectively lying to their users and > contributing to FUD? > Aren't the already rolling in cash from advertising > revenue to stoop to the level of internet nanny for Irony alert: just this afternoon, I was having one of those shoot-the-sh*t debates with a fellow software guy, and taking the side that Google, while increasingly huge, were still (mostly) Not Evil, as their famous corporate motto doth proclaim. This? Is evil. Opponent 1, Raffish 0. Off to protest. |
| Raffish |
| Tuesday January 23 23:07:48 2007 Veronica Mars |
| We haven't watched the recording yet. Should we expect anything?
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| The House of Le Bastard |
| Tuesday January 23 23:25:36 2007 Re: passions? |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> Unfortunately, I forgot to record it today. Does anyone > else know if anything happened? I forgot about it as well, but I assume nothing happened, or else folks would be talking about it. |
| JP |
| japfeif@aol.com |
| Tuesday January 23 23:32:19 2007 Re: Home & Away tonight in oz. Jessica Tovey bound & gagged |
| Kuba lister wrote:
> Aren't the already rolling in cash from advertising > revenue to stoop to the level of internet nanny for > censorship and ruin their reputation? Its got nothing to do with copyright, google has spiders that search all the sites in their engine for links to site that may have spyware, and if the site is linked to one of those "adult traffic links generators" sites that are riddled with spyware, it will be flagged and then they posst the "harmful content" warning message for sites that have those links. its got nothing to do with copyeight or some grand conspiracy against DiD sites. |
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