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| Saturday August 23 01:10:25 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Mad Dan wrote: > > (unsigned poster) wrote: > I don't know why they did that, but I do know > that for that particular scene, it didn't look like the > tape was very secure, just look at this cap! > Hate to be the bearer of bad news but common duct tape > is pretty easily loosened just by the moisture from a > damsel's breath not to mention saliva and sweat as > well. > Probably explains why we see so many loose tape gags in > films and tv. Since most scenes require several takes and prolonged periods of time to film, the easily reduced adhesiveness of duct tape may have been a consideration for a director. But then, a tape gag on an actress' mouth is removed and reapplied several times during filming, and I'm sure duct tape isn't that expensive. I think that the looseness of tape gags used on actresses in movies and television is due to a desire to minimize the actress' discomfort. Isn't it true of any kind of tape that its adhesive properties can be adversely affected by ambient physical conditions and substances and that they deteriorate over time? Why, then, did duct tape supplant white surgical tape for use as a gag for actresses? |
| Hadji |
| Saturday August 23 01:17:45 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| It seems medical tape might be more secure too, judging by these caps. |
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| Saturday August 23 02:01:55 2008 Re: Bad Girls Bit Gag Scene |
| Pat Powers wrote: > Why? There is absolutely NO explanation. You have to > figure Dockley did some spitting and biting when they > arrested her, but you never SAW any of it. But that's all > you CAN do, figure, because there's no explanation > offered that I could see. I have the complete scene recorded but sadly this doesn’t add much to the explanation. I assume that Dockley’s bit gag was used to grab potential viewers’ attention. The still of her bit gagged was plastered over TV listing magazines at the time. As you say, it’s a pity Larkhill wasn’t a bit more persistent in the use of restraints. As to why the arresting detectives used a bit gag, I assume that one of them picked it up during their tour of Amsterdam’s “Red Light” district on the evening before Dockley’s capture (she was working in a bar there). Continuing on the WIP theme, the new show “Prisoner: X” looks worth checking out. Sadly the male: female ratio is skewed heavily in favour of men. I guess they couldn’t find enough women interested in it. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a124713/virgin1-confirms-prisoner-x-cast.html |
| DB |
| db_im@yahoo.com |
| Saturday August 23 05:12:30 2008 Once upon a Time in China 2 &3 |
| Just wanted to thank the chap,who answered my query on the first film.I don't have the other two sequels,so is there anything in them? Thank you. |
| David |
| Saturday August 23 05:41:25 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > Hate to be the bearer of bad news but common duct tape is > pretty easily loosened just by the moisture from a > damsel's breath not to mention saliva and sweat as well. > Wrap arounds don't suffer this problem as much. No > matter how well it is applied, it will loosen up unless > it is made with industrial strength adhesive. Probably > explains why we see so many loose tape gags in films and tv. Yes, it's a well-known fact that any tape not specifically designed to adhere to human skin will loosen up quite quickly and give at best an illusion of effectiveness. It doesn't work any better than OTM or cleave gags, but I believe film makers should at least try to make it look as effective as possible. For example, in "Rebelde" Dulce Maria playing Roberta wears the same piece of duct tape with the same wrinkles for several shots, and it stays in place through some quite vigorous action. It even leaves residue to which her hair sticks after it has been removed. Also, the tape gags in the Chilean show posted by Jarrod in the Video forum on Wed 20 are very well sealed, staying on through much cheek puffing and lip stretching. It can be done if directors and actresses care enough about verisimilitude. I wonder if duct tape became so popular because it can be torn off the roll instead of having to be cut off as surgical tape does. |
| Mad Dan |
| http://www.dansdidnts.com |
| Saturday August 23 05:46:14 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| Mad Dan wrote: > I wonder if duct tape became so popular because it can > be torn off the roll instead of having to be cut off as > surgical tape does. Are you sure that surgical tape needs to be cut off? Can't it be simply torn off a roll? I use sports tape to gag girlfriends, and it can be torn off a roll, though not as easily as duct tape. |
| Hadji |
| Saturday August 23 06:03:22 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| Hadji wrote: > Mad Dan wrote: > > I wonder if duct tape became so popular because it > can > > be torn off the roll instead of having to be cut off > as > surgical tape does. > Are you sure that surgical tape needs to be cut off? > Can't it be simply torn off a roll? I use sports tape to > gag girlfriends, O Lucky Man! >and it can be torn off a roll, though > not as easily as duct tape. I'm thinking about the tape worn by Yvonne Craig in "The Brain Killer Affair, and the zinc oxide adhesive cloth stuff that comes on tin reels. It's supple as heck, but you can't tear it off; it requires fairly sharp scissors, which of course would be available in a medical situation. I don't know about the kind of sports tape you mention, Hadji. Is it similar to Elastoplast strapping tape, with the adhesive on the outside of the roll? I have a roll of that dating from the 1970s, and it still sticks perfectly. I can't tear it off the roll. I understand it is still made to the same specifications. The other common medical tape, Micropore, is easily torn and has a rather weak adhesive. It is also translucent. |
| Mad Dan |
| Saturday August 23 06:18:47 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > It seems medical tape might be more secure too, judging > by these caps. > The final credits of some broadcast versions of "Cry Terror!" have a superb painting of Susan Hampshire chair tied and gagged with the same medical tape. A partial and inferior version of the painting is on the DVD cover. No such scene appears in the final cut, but there is speculation that it might have been filmed. Gabrielle Drake was also in the same hostage situation in the show. The mind boggles at what could have been... |
| Mad Dan |
| Saturday August 23 06:25:58 2008 Re: Crazy for Love |
| MT wrote: > Saw this title in Blockbuster tonight. > Movie called Crazy for Love has a photo of > Natasha Lyonne wearing a straightjacket on the cover. There is a short scene of Lyonne straitjacketed and carried from an ambulance into a mental hospital. |
| Greg |
| gb9304@yahoo.com |
| http://greggerbits.tripod.com |
| Saturday August 23 06:41:16 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| Mad Dan wrote: > Hadji wrote: > > Mad Dan wrote: > I wonder if duct tape became so popular because it > can be torn off the roll instead of having to be cut off > as surgical tape does. > > Are you sure that surgical tape needs to be cut off? > Can't it be simply torn off a roll? I use sports > tape to gag girlfriends, > O Lucky Man! You said it! > and it can be torn off a roll, though not as easily as > duct tape. > I'm thinking about the tape worn by Yvonne Craig in > "The Brain Killer Affair, and the zinc oxide > adhesive cloth stuff that comes on tin reels. It's > supple as heck, but you can't tear it off; it requires > fairly sharp scissors, which of course would be > available in a medical situation. > I don't know about the kind of sports tape you mention, > Hadji. Is it similar to Elastoplast strapping tape, with > the adhesive on the outside of the roll? I have a roll > of that dating from the 1970s, and it still sticks > perfectly. I can't tear it off the roll. I understand it > is still made to the same specifications. > The other common medical tape, Micropore, is easily torn > and has a rather weak adhesive. It is also translucent. The sports tape I mention does not have adhesive on the outside. It may be sold in a metal container, but usually isn't. It is opaque and white in color. It is designed for comfortable application on the skin. Though it isn't called surgical tape, its uses are similar to those of surgical tape. It is used to bandage wounds and prevent injury. It can be torn off a roll with some effort, but the fact that some effort must be expended to tear it off indicates that it is intended to be cut off with scissors. This fact then begs the question: if surgical or sports tape is more difficult to remove from a roll than duct tape, then why was it used to gag actresses for so many decades? Wouldn't duct tape have been more expedient? Imagine a villain awkwardly wielding a pair of scissors to cut off strips of sports tape with which to gag his female captive. |
| Hadji |
| Saturday August 23 07:49:37 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| Hadji wrote: > This fact then begs the question: if surgical or sports > tape is more difficult to remove from a roll than duct > tape, then why was it used to gag actresses for so many > decades? Wouldn't duct tape have been more expedient? > Imagine a villain awkwardly wielding a pair of scissors >to cut off strips of sports tape with which to gag his >female captive. A sharp knife or a razor, which a criminal was more likely to carry, would do the job just as well. Up to around the early 1960s, adhesive tape was simply cloth with glue on the back of it. Weave was dense and often complex as in the elastic tapes. It was accepted that you'd have to cut it. Then came the kind we now know as duct or gaffer tape, essentially a soft plastic with a simple cross-woven fabric backing of variable density and quality. The best is still very expensive. I'm sure the ease with which this could be torn off prompted the development of more tearable yarns for use in fabric tapes. I've just looked at the fabric medical tape used on Karoline Eichhorn in "Der Sandmann". It seems to tear off the metal reel easily, but the villain may have given it a preliminary nick with his razor. |
| Saturday August 23 08:05:11 2008 Re: Interesting Comic Book Bondage |
| Batman to the rescue! Pity it wasnt a group of female MP's! Caroline Flint.....ideal!!! Still,Cherie gagged, fab |
| Ged |
| Gedlee2000@yahoo.com |
| Saturday August 23 08:13:47 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > I'm sure the ease with which this could be torn off > prompted the development of more tearable yarns for use > in fabric tapes. I've just looked at the fabric medical > tape used on Karoline Eichhorn in "Der > Sandmann". It seems to tear off the metal reel easily, but the villain may have given it a preliminary nick with his razor. Sorry, that was me. I have another roll of early 1970s fabric medical tape, called Johnsonplast. It is flesh coloured, with zinc oxide adhesive on a metal reel. The weave is a simple cross, and I've just discovered it can be torn, but not as easily as duct tape. It has a ragged edge with loose strands when torn. A third reel, of Paragon brand, is white and somewhat thicker. It cannot be torn off the roll. Tearability would thus appear to have been introduced around the end of the 1960s. |
| Mad Dan |
| Saturday August 23 08:34:05 2008 Music Video |
| Can anyone name some music videos that have gagged damsels in them? |
| Danny |
| Saturday August 23 09:04:14 2008 Re: Music Video |
| Danny wrote: > Can anyone name some music videos that have gagged > damsels in them? I know Fleetwood Mac definitely did one.I'm sorry,but don't know the name of the song,but it showed an actress B&G set up as bait,to lure the hero in,but she sacrificed herself to stop them.Hope somebody else can help you. |
| David |
| Saturday August 23 09:42:09 2008 Re: Music Video |
| Danny wrote: > Can anyone name some music videos that have gagged > damsels in them? Fleetwood Mac's video with a bound and gagged lady is called "Everywhere" and is based on the poem "The Highwayman" A better one is "Street of Dreams" by Rainbow, which has a "Secret Life of Walter Mitty" type scene in it. Belinda Carlisle (Lead singer of the Go-Gos) did a solo song called "I Get Weak" (a very un-Go-Go like ballad) where she sings "can't walk" and it shows a close up of her ankles tied loosely (in heels, sorry foot fans!), and "can't talk" which shows her gagged with a scarf... There are couple of very brief flashes of lots of bound and gagged people (Damsels and Putzes) in Ronnie James Dio's "Last in Line"... |
| Moraxian |
| http://www.moraxian.us |
| Saturday August 23 10:16:00 2008 Re: Music Video |
| Danny wrote: > Can anyone name some music videos that have gagged > damsels in them? In the Database search enter in the Medium Box: Other and in the Description Box: Music Video There are 90 entries that you can go through for the gagged ones If need further assistance, let me know |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Saturday August 23 10:29:07 2008 Gagged Japanese damsels |
| I've always noticed,that some Japanese DIDs have been OTM gagged,but the cloth goes over their nose!Makes you think,if the actress can breathe ok! |
| David |
| Saturday August 23 11:07:27 2008 Re: Music Video |
| Danny wrote: > Can anyone name some music videos that have gagged > damsels in them? Anthrax's "Black Lodge" features a young Jenna Elfman playing a hooker chloroformed and kidnapped by an older couple who strap her to a chair to transfer her life force to the older woman. Does that count? |
| TBirdSC |
| Saturday August 23 11:28:57 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| >Hadji said > Then came the kind we now know as duct or gaffer tape, > essentially a soft plastic with a simple cross-woven > fabric backing of variable density and quality. The best > is still very expensive. I have just returned from Fetishcon 2008. While there I attended a seminar on mummification where duct tape was descussed. The lecturer was adament about NOT using duct tape directly on skin. It seems the crosswoven pattern in duct tape is made of fiberglass which can get into the skin pores when they open because of perspiration. This causes irritation, rashes and possibly other, more serious allergic reactions. Southbound |
| southbound |
| Saturday August 23 11:58:17 2008 Music video |
| Thanks for all the help guys!!! |
| Danny |
| Saturday August 23 13:10:37 2008 pictures |
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| The Moderator |
| Saturday August 23 15:34:13 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| (unsigned poster) wrote: > It seems medical tape might be more secure too, judging > by these caps. > Is this scene from Cry Terror? I looking for this scene for years |
| Mandraketube |
| Saturday August 23 16:20:00 2008 Update |
| I updated my site with 2 movies in the contribution section plus some staues in the art section Ciao |
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| paolo |
| http://www.italianmoviefan.it/ |
| Saturday August 23 17:08:40 2008 Re: Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers |
| Mandraketube wrote: > Is this scene from Cry Terror? I looking for this scene > for years Yes, that's Francesca Rita Giovanni. |
| Saturday August 23 18:58:12 2008 arms rubbed |
| hey, does anyone know of any damsels who had their arms rubbed after tied up? |
| jake |
| Saturday August 23 22:35:53 2008 Re: arms rubbed |
| jake wrote: > hey, does anyone know of any damsels who had their arms > rubbed after tied up? Are we talking armed rubbery here? |
| Pat Powers |
| Saturday August 23 22:49:54 2008 Re: arms rubbed |
| Pat Powers wrote: > jake wrote: > > hey, does anyone know of any damsels who had their arms > > rubbed after tied up? > Are we talking armed rubbery here? We talkin' 'bout the ol' "Indian burn"? What 'bout a "wet willie"? Anyone ever see a bound and gagged damsel get a wet willie? Also, I've seen some *serious* wedgies, but not in mainstream media. |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.vansfiction.net |
| Saturday August 23 23:00:34 2008 Re: Bad Girls Bit Gag Scene |
| DB wrote: > I have the complete scene recorded but sadly this doesn’t > add much to the explanation. I have studied the scene at length and written an article for my site about it. I think they did a good job of visually presenting the gag, but that they miffed it in almost every other respect. I was so pissed off by all the missed opportunities surrounding the scene that I was reduced to using colorful metaphors and such a lot ... I'm sure JayL will enjoy that. You can check out the scene at my homepage link if you're interested. > I assume that one of them picked it up during their tour of > Amsterdam’s “Red Light” district on the evening before > Dockley’s capture (she was working in a bar there). Well, of course you have to assume something like that, because you don't know, because they didn't show you. Because no one's interested in seeing Shell Dockley fight like an animal to avoid going back to prison. That would be far too dramatic. > Continuing on the WIP theme, the new show “Prisoner: X” > looks worth checking out. Sadly the male: female ratio > is skewed heavily in favour of men. I guess they > couldn’t find enough women interested in it. > http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a124713/virgin1-confirms-prisoner-x-cast.html Thanks I'll definitely check it out, but given that HBO is doing a US version of "Bad Girls" I have much higher hopes for it. Being a premium channel series, frequent nudity is going to be de riguer, and given that the HBO original programming people are under a lot of pressure to produce something as ratings-intensive as Deadwood and the Sopranos, both of which pushed the envelope in several respects, I have high hoeps that the US version of Bad Girls will be a lot better than the Brit version, from my POV. |
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| Pat Powers |
| http://www.bondagerotica.com/articles/women_in_prison_movies/bad_girls/bad_girls_bit_gag.html |
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