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Thursday August 14 00:43:44 2008
Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!"
I just finished writing up a particularly nice use of the term "mmph!" but it's in a XXX film so I won't go into any detail on it.

However, that led me to think that there might be some particularly good uses of "mmph!" or other forms of gag talk in mainstream TV shows and films. Anybody got any recommendations?
Pat Powers
http://politicallysexy.blogspot.com/
Thursday August 14 02:20:35 2008
Sin Senos no Hay Paraiso - alert
I just saw that Catherine Siachoque was kidnapped at the end of Wednesday's episode of this Spanish-language soap. She was sitting on an office floor, her hands bound in front with a thin twine, her legs bound at the ankles, a white cleave gag in her mouth. She's barefoot and wearing a pink dress. Preview for tomorrow's episode (Thursday's) shows the guy dragging her about (still bound and gagged) and carrying over the shoulder down some stairs. Preview also shows her no longer gagged, but apparently chained up in a basement.

Sin Senos no Hay Paraiso airs at 9:00p.m. Central time on Telemundo.
Dextor
Thursday August 14 11:31:30 2008
Bad Reputation
I found the image below from the 2005 flick "Bad Reputation" on Bad Cinema Diary. It's not in the database. Methinks it ought to be. Anybody know of it?
http://www.bondagerotica.com/extras/badreputation05.jpg
Pat Powers
http://www.bondagerotica.com
Thursday August 14 12:23:52 2008
Re: Jenna Fischer kidnapped (sort of)
Despite wrote:

> Have you heard about Rainn Wilson's new movie, The
> Rocker? He just started up about the greatest viral
> marketing campaign ever. From a blog post on Jenna
> Fischer (Pam on The Office)'s MySpace:
> "Hey there Jenna's MySpacers!
> My name is Rainn Wilson and I've kidnapped the lovely
> Jenna, put her, bound, in the trunk of my firebird and
> logged onto her MySpace to send out this bulletin.
> To free America's sweetheart, Pam Beesly, one half of the
> magic which is 'Jam', you must attend my new movie, 'The
> Rocker', which opens August 20th.
> As soon as the film grosses 18.7 Mil, she will be
> released and given a peach smoothie."
> He's even started a website to chronicle his ransom
> attempt. No footage of particular interest here yet,
> other than some frigging hilarious videos. This might be
> worth keeping an eye on, if only for the comedy value.

We could always hope for something to pop here. And occasionally dropping messages - as I'm trying to do - about actually seeing Jenna rather than just Rainn Wilson talking about her might lead to another way of thinking if all of these videos weren't shot like a month ago.

Or it could all be for nothing. But hey, what are the chances we'd see Jenna Fischer bound and gagged on The Office? Unlikely, so I'll take any chance I can get.
Goten
Thursday August 14 13:36:27 2008
Armed Reaction
I have to admit I wouldn't mind watching this show.The damsels B&G here are really gorgeous.Hope MajorJohns shows some more.
David
Thursday August 14 14:39:03 2008
Peking Opera Blues
I first noticed the lovely Brigette Lin on MajorJohns.I had to admit I was drooling at the scene,where she's B&G on the bed.Very nice!
David
Thursday August 14 15:25:04 2008
Band of Slaves-Two Ronnies
This was great stuff.I lost count of how many pretty damsels were B&G in this.Think it was in series 5,so the dvd for that shouldn't be to long in coming.All the girls appeared very tightly tied.A much treasured gem for me!
David
Thursday August 14 16:51:38 2008
Claire Forlani Quote
I read an interview Claire Forlani gave for her movie "Beer For My Horses." She said: "As an actor you get used to being uncomfortable. If you're not in freezing cold water in the middle of winter then you're bound and gagged."
She said this movie was probably the most fun she had on a set, but mainly because she liked her country music co-stars.
CD
Thursday August 14 17:51:46 2008
Weeds -- Elizabeth Perkins gagged
Well, over the years, I've learned never to look a gift horse in the mouth, which is to say: never criticize a full-treatment scene too heavily, especially when it relates to a long-adored cutie who -finally- gets a scene.

That said, I can't help but be disappointed about the scene in Weeds-Little Boats scene, for a couple of reasons--the gag makes her look bad, and to be perfectly honest, she's ages in ways that don't exactly make her look like the sweetie of From the Hip and Big, among other films.

But yes, I do protest too much. I realize those films were about 20 years ago, and it's not like she's let herself go. She's still attractive, but she doesn't look anything like she did in her prime.

And I do love Weeds, a brilliantly written show. I didn't see this particular episode (no Showtime where I'm working this week), but I'm guessing she's gagged with a maternity bra, since her character is working in a maternity retail shop/front for a weed trafficking organization.

I guess it comes down to a usual debate among Brian's Page denizens--does a full-treatment scene with a long-awaited hottie count if the circumstances are A) she looks nothing like she did in her prime and/or B) it's not exactly the best scene under any circumstances?

The examples are many--let's say Candice Bergen, Elizabeth Taylor and Elizabeth Montgomery, among others. (Maybe it's all about Elizabeths?) And then there's the hotties who WERE in their super-sexy prime but got horribly shot, horribly edited scenes, a la Mia Sara (that still kills me), Christie Clark/Rosalind Allen, etc.

(BTW, I'm guessing I don't need to specify the scenes--hell, there's a reason Brian has a database, and I figure most of my fellow regular readers already know the sources by heart.)

But all things considered--a scene's a scene, and better to have an imperfect one, even if it's majorly imperfect, than no scene at all. And least that's what I'm thinking.
http://www.elizabeth-perkins.org/gallery/albums/weeds_caps4/normal_Weeds2008_4x09-112.jpg
Tex
Thursday August 14 18:26:36 2008
Re: Weeds -- Elizabeth Perkins gagged
Tex wrote:
> Well, over the years, I've learned never to look a gift
> horse in the mouth, which is to say: never criticize a
> full-treatment scene too heavily,

This is the stupidest-looking gag I have ever seen. This scene deserves all the criticism its viewers can conceive.

> the gag makes her look bad,

This is an understatement. She is still an attractive woman, despite visible signs of aging. Her gag definitely detracts from her attractiveness.
Hadji
Thursday August 14 18:27:15 2008
Re: Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!" or gag-talk
> However, that led me to think that there might be some
particularly good uses of "mmph!" or other forms of gag talk in mainstream TV shows and films.

Anybody got any recommendations?
~~~~
A couple that I'm partial to:

Use of "Mmmph" (Comedy category):
Judea Brittain in "Beach Fever" (1987)

Use of Gag-talk other than Mmmph (Drama category):
Elizabeth Montgomery and Mary Ann Hagan in "With Murder in Mind" (1992).



Kinky-napper
Thursday August 14 19:35:05 2008
Re: Weeds -- Elizabeth Perkins gagged
Hadji wrote:

> > the gag makes her look bad,
> This is an understatement.

What a bummer!
Thursday August 14 19:52:25 2008
Cabin by the lake
Has anyone seen the mistake on it? It's pretty funny if you ask me. If you have a copy of the video, do watch it. when they are walking on the bridge thing to go onto the boat... both of them have lost their shoes, but a few seconds later, from a different angle, you see one of them still wearing one heel then losing it.
Anyone ever notice that?
Lugie
Thursday August 14 20:11:24 2008
Re: Weeds -- Elizabeth Perkins gagged
Tex wrote:

> I didn't
> see this particular episode...

Does anybody know which episode this is? I don't see it in the DB. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Wavy
verywavy@yahoo.com
Thursday August 14 21:02:26 2008
Re: Cabin by the lake
Lugie wrote:
> Has anyone seen the mistake on it?
> when they are walking on the bridge thing to go onto the
> boat... both of them have lost their shoes, but a few
> seconds later, from a different angle, you see one of
> them still wearing one heel then losing it.
> Anyone ever notice that?

No, I never noticed this. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I was too focused on the bound and gagged actresses, particularly on their faces, with the black electrician's tape across their mouths. I surmise that it required several takes to film that scene to the director's satisfaction.
Hadji
Thursday August 14 21:03:40 2008
Re: Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!"
Favorite comedics: Robin Dearden in Knight Rider,Kate Jackson in Scarecrow&Mrs. King, Yvonne Craig in Man From Uncle, Elizabeth Hurley in My Favorite Martian, Sandra Nelson in Taking the Falls

Favorite dramatics: Andrea Sawatzki in Das Experiment, Terror Among Us, Natalie Krill in MVP, Kate Mulgrew in Stranger is Watching.
MadFish
Thursday August 14 21:10:40 2008
Re: Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!"
I always liked Lynda Carter trying to tell the guy there was a bomb when he was untying her.

Thursday August 14 21:24:31 2008
Re: Cabin by the lake
Hadji wrote:

> No, I never noticed this.

I'll try to find a way to make caps and see if I can show ya what I mean.
Lugie
Thursday August 14 21:52:00 2008
Re: Cabin by the lake
Lugie wrote:
> Hadji wrote:
> > No, I never noticed this.
> I'll try to find a way to make caps and see if I can
> show ya what I mean.

Mistakes are inevitable in any endeavor undertaken by human beings, including the filming of movies. As I stated in a previous post, the scene probably required multiple takes to film to the director's satisfaction, and the personnel responsible for maintaining continuity between scenes neglected to check the feet of the bound and gagged actresses. This oversight wasn't a major one, since most viewers would be focused on the upper bodies of the two bound and gagged actresses. A lot of attention would be directed to their gags, strips of black tape which were quite noticeable against the actresses' fair skins.
Their ankles were secured as well; they weren't being walked by the villain, but were instead hopping. This must've been when you noticed they were barefoot. The oversight would be noticed when the villain was fastening their ankles to the weights, so as to facilitate drowning them. Most people, myself included, would've forgotten about the fact that they had been barefoot when they were on the dock, so entranced would we have been by the fact that they were bound and gagged.
Hadji
Thursday August 14 22:11:26 2008
Re: Weeds -- Elizabeth Perkins gagged
Tex wrote:

> And then there's the
> hotties who WERE in their super-sexy prime but got
> horribly shot, horribly edited scenes, a la Mia Sara
> (that still kills me), Christie Clark/Rosalind Allen,
> etc.

Yes, Tex, that Mia Sara scene will ALWAYS kill me! She deserved so much better - ok, so WE deserved so much better from that Caroline at Midnight scene! Ah, those big brown eyes and fantastic cheekbones and lips, my goodness what a crime she was barely visible with a tape gag. I would have held a serious grudge against director Scott McGinnis forever, but eventually I learned that he had given us a decent scene in Shadowhunter, which had Angela Alvarado suspended by her bound wrists & cleave gagged for a decent amount of time. But to stash one of the loveliest young actresses ever - who's now one of the loveliest forty-something actresses, btw - in the dark in the background with a barely visible tape gag is deflating. Obviously I would have preferred to see her get the full treatment in her 20s or 30s, but I would happily welcome a scene now, too.

Hopefully the DiD gods are listening.
Ice Cream Man
Thursday August 14 22:13:33 2008
Re: Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!"
FOr dramatic, I would have to say Monica Bellucci in Irreversible, for obvious reasons.
Thursday August 14 23:04:50 2008
Re: Best dramatic or comedic use of "mmph!"
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> I always liked Lynda Carter trying to tell the guy there
> was a bomb when he was untying her.

Or, Loni Anderson telling Lynda "I've got a knife" in the "Getting in Shape episode of "Partners in Crime."
Bob Nielsen
robertwnielsen@q.com

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