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Sunday December 20 00:33:19 2009
Re: Top Villians from Soapnet
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> RBG wrote:
> > A special section about the top soap villians from
> the
> > past 10 years yielded these photos. And yes Sheila
> from
> > Y&R is one of the 21 villians.
> What show was the second picture of the brunette sitting
> by the tree with the blonde from? Was the red thing at
> her neck a gag?

That picture is from The Young and the Restless, a sequence that aired over three episodes this September. The actress tied up is Tammin Sursok. The thing hanging around her neck is a scarf that was used to very unconvincingly cleave-gag her a couple of times. Best part of this sequence was a tight handgag as they hid under a bridge as some police walked nearby.
Dextor
Sunday December 20 03:41:47 2009
Re: Really Sticky Duct Tape
This post was deleted.

Poster: (unsigned poster)
Reason: I didn't really pay close enough attention the first time through, but this was abusive. I'm getting tired of people taking pointless shots at other participants. Really tired. Follow-up deleted, sorry for not catching it in the first place.
The Moderator
Sunday December 20 05:50:40 2009
Re: Really Sticky Duct Tape
The Moderator wrote:
> This post was deleted.
> Poster: (unsigned poster)
> Reason: I didn't really pay close enough attention
> the first time through, but this was abusive. I'm
> getting tired of people taking pointless shots at other
> participants. Really tired. Follow-up deleted, sorry for
> not catching it in the first place.

I expected you to delete my post, Mr. Moderator, but I at least hope the imbecile who authored the abusive post that initiated my retaliatory post read it. Even though you had to delete my post, I hope you agreed with it to some degree.
Once again, I apologize for the breach of decorum, but I just wanted to make my point, that no one will intimidate me from freely expressing my insights. You know that I try my best to adhere to your rules, and will continue to do so, but that post really angered me.
Hadji
Sunday December 20 09:19:39 2009
VCR alert title correction
The episode of THE PERILS OF PENELOPE PITSTOP that I posted a VCR alert for today is NOT called "Tall Timber Trouble". It is called "Tall Timber Treachery". When I posted the alert, I got the title from the DirecTV grid, which had it wrong.
Tapemaster
Sunday December 20 10:39:21 2009
Random Tape gag thought
Had a weird and random thought and thought i'd share the thought.

Black gaffer tape / electrical tape, while in theory effective with a well behaved damsel, can easily be pushed off, so not a logical gag, whereas a cleave gag is kinda the most logical, and readily available to the average villian!

So one wonders when in film the first tape gag was used. Any thought from the assembled geniuses.

And the random part of my thought was this - i wonder if one day, on a set, a grip or gaffer offered his black tape to gag someone, and so started a trend!
JD
Sunday December 20 12:29:54 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought
It all depends. Unless you work at it, cleave gags aren't all that effective.

If you apply pressure to a tape gag, it can force the lips closed and keep them quiet.
Danny
Sunday December 20 12:46:44 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought

> Black gaffer tape / electrical tape, while in theory
> effective with a well behaved damsel, can easily be
> pushed off, so not a logical gag, whereas a cleave gag is
> kinda the most logical, and readily available to the
> average villian!
> So one wonders when in film the first tape gag was used.
> Any thought from the assembled geniuses.
> And the random part of my thought was this - i wonder if
> one day, on a set, a grip or gaffer offered his black
> tape to gag someone, and so started a trend!

Some brands of tape are alot more sticky than others,Ive also found rolls that are old become more sticky.Ive used cheap wal-mart tape that easily falls off Ive also used Nashua brand tape that was hard to get off and even left glue residue on the models face,so it can be very effective.
Steve W
underduressnet@hotmail.com
http://www.knotsotight.com
Sunday December 20 15:04:08 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought
JD wrote:


> So one wonders when in film the first tape gag was used.
> Any thought from the assembled geniuses.
> And the random part of my thought was this - i wonder if
> one day, on a set, a grip or gaffer offered his black
> tape to gag someone, and so started a trend!

You're guess is probably not far off target. There is always gaffers tape, duct tape and more than likely medical tape (in the First Aid kit) on every movie set.

A tape gag can be made very effective, especially if it is wrapped tightly around the head, and stuck to itself along with the skin. It will keep the mouth shut, preventing intelligible speech, and reducing the victim's noise. If the mouth is stuffed before the taping, sound can be reduced effectively as well, although the risk increases.

The main reason Hollywood uses one or two strips of duct tape over the mouth is because it is easy, quick and cheap. They primarily use white tape because the stage lights will shine off any tape, but if the tape is white, the shine will not stand out...
Moraxian
http://www.moraxiansgalleries.com
Sunday December 20 16:06:59 2009
R.I.P. Brittany Murphy
Farewell...
http://bondageparade.com/cap/CherryFalls.jpg
Raffish
raffish@bondageparade.com
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/actress-brittany-murphy-dead-at-32-.html
Sunday December 20 18:11:48 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought
JD wrote:
> Had a weird and random thought and thought i'd share the
> thought.
> Black gaffer tape / electrical tape, while in theory
> effective with a well behaved damsel, can easily be
> pushed off, so not a logical gag, whereas a cleave gag is
> kinda the most logical, and readily available to the
> average villian!
> So one wonders when in film the first tape gag was used.
> Any thought from the assembled geniuses.
> And the random part of my thought was this - i wonder if
> one day, on a set, a grip or gaffer offered his black
> tape to gag someone, and so started a trend!

Someone on this online forum actually told us about the first instance of duct tape being used to gag an actress in the movies and television. This occurred sometime during the early 1980s; prior to this, white tape was used.
You've posed an interesting question, however: when was tape first used to gag an actress? Prior to the use of tape, actresses were gagged with cloths tied clumsily over their mouths.
I've also noticed that an actress is often gagged with one strip of duct tape, which is reused after the actress is ungagged. Are movie studios so cheap that they can't spare more than one strip of duct tape to gag an actress?
Hadji
Sunday December 20 20:17:28 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought
Hadji wrote:


> You've posed an interesting question, however: when was
> tape first used to gag an actress? Prior to the use of
> tape, actresses were gagged with cloths tied clumsily
> over their mouths.

Good question that prompted me to take a look at my records. The first case I have listed of a tape gag is from 1935 - Murder On a Honeymoon, with the elderly Edna Mae Oliver
as the victim. The first instance I found which anybody would actually want to watch was from 1936 - Yellow Cargo with Eleanor Hunt.

I'm sure there must have been earlier instances than these - including some possibly lost silent films.
Gagster
Sunday December 20 23:19:55 2009
Re: Random Tape gag thought
Moraxian wrote:

>> The main reason Hollywood uses one or two strips of
> duct tape over the mouth is because it is easy, quick
> and cheap. They primarily use white tape because the
> stage lights will shine off any tape, but if the tape is
> white, the shine will not stand out...

I would also think that most Hollywood actresses would object to having duct tape wrapped around their heads, getting all gummed up in their hair. Whenever someone here mentions how wrapping tape around the head is the most effective way to gag someone, etc., it usually doesn't get mentioned that removing the tape would most likely yank half the lady's hair out from the back of her head!

And I doubt this just applies to the "big name" A-list actresses. I imagine even a lesser-known actress could say to the director "hey, if I'm gonna be gagged, could we not wrap tape all around my head & yank all my hair out? A strip or two across my mouth will get the point across I'm gagged" and I imagine most directors would say "sure".

JP
japfeif@aol.com

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