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| Friday December 23 00:45:34 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? > It's an omnimedia sorta thingie ... with the SVU/CSI Syndrome dominating small-screen drama. Less gore ... same casualty count. If the representation of serial killers in mainstream media accurately reflected their percentage of the U.S. population, advertisers would falling all over themselves marketing the latest high-tech dismemberment devices to such a choice demographic. What was the last series with multiple bondage scenes in which you could be reasonably certain the bindee wouldn't end up dead and/or disfigured ... LOIS & CLARK? Seems like a long time ago ... |
| Biff |
| http://community.webtv.net/unlikelysource/TheCaseFilesofBiff |
| Friday December 23 01:11:23 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? Aren't you forgetting Van's First Rule? This stuff isn't made for DID fans. It is made for horror fans. Horror fans seem to like it (Saw was a big hit)and they are extremely cheap to make, so they are going to keep making them. And I doubt they care at all about how the DID community feels about it, and they really shouldn't. |
| Help |
| Friday December 23 01:17:28 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? You're absolutely right. I have no argument to put forth to those who find these movies sick and disturbing, or outright nasty -- and hence cannot enjoy any DiD material included in the blood-lust. Admittingly, I don't watch these films - EVER - for the DiD content. I've simply enjoyed the genre just as long as I've enjoyed watching DiD's onscreen (and off too, of course!). Regardless, as a die-hard horror fan, the added bonus of DiDs in horror films is inherently, a plus for me. Often the DiD depicted in films or mediums outside of the horror genre, in terms of legitimacy and realism, are outright stupid. Don't get me wrong -- I love the stupid DiD. Cheap tape gags, yarn-thin cleave-gags, it constitutes most of my favorite material -- But every now and then, seeing a horror DiD reminds me I'm NOT as sick as perverse some "outsider" (ie. those finding no stimulus in our shared activity at ALL) might think. I find it appauling, often, like Van, when in it's context of a horror picture. Of course, having studied film, and just with common sense I think, it's easy to turn off the illusion of the horror film and enjoy the DiD as-is. Regardless, I think part of it is simply that I've seen it all. The worst gore and horror ever - from giallo to american sleaze. It definitely makes it easier to watch the stuff that comes out in theatres today, and frankly, it's TAME in comparison. Try watching the damsel in "Giallo A Venezia", tied naked and getting her leg sawed off on-screen and having the same stimulus you'd get from say, Eva-overrated-Longoria. I accept, however, that ultimately, this is just one DiD/Horror-fan's opinion. |
| X |
| Friday December 23 01:22:58 2005 Just A Quick Follow-Up |
| Since I get real chatty at this time of night (you may have noticed as of late), I just wanted to throw in a couple cents in terms of what I meant by the "Illusion" of the film. Do you notice how different you feel about a scene when you watch the entire show/movie from start to end, having taken an active viewer role in piecing together the form of the medium (by form I mean all the stylistic and structural properties of the film/show like editing, mise-en-scene, etc).
I do. And this is why I find clips great in their own right, as edited content that doesn't aim to give any plot or character development, MOST of the time; however at the same time, aim to see the actual show or movie in it's entirety as well. To be 100% honest, I'd have to say the notion of the ACTRESS being tied and gagged as part of a shoot is often more appealing to me than the CHARACTER being captive. This might shed some light on my view of horror and DiD as well. Again, just some thoughts ... |
| X |
| Friday December 23 01:23:29 2005 eva longoria |
| Friday December 23 02:27:19 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? I worked in news radio at the time of Jeffery Dhammer's arrest, and I think that that was the cultural turning point. On mainstream radio during "Family hours" I was reading on-air reports of jars full of penises, attempted amateur brain surgery with power drills, necrophillia, and cannibalism. After that, the genie was pretty much out of the bottle, and little old ladies and housewives caught a glimpse into a world previously seen only by homicide detectives, corroners, and criminal psychologists. Any film or novel dealing with murder (and especially pathological serial murder) was held to a different standard than before. Like Van, I really miss the "Old days" when TV had lots of goofball cop/action programs that featured scenes where "Damsels in Distress" could be placed in peril with no real sense of actual danger, and without the sheer horror of real-world violence. The best "Holiday present" I have gotten yet this year was the video file of the hot blonde tied up in the back of the van from an old episode of "Lobo" that some kind collector posted on this page a couple of weeks ago. I remember getting my first woody ever watching that scene as a kid, and it was great to see it again, both as a hot scene and as an example of "The kind they just don't make anymore". That said, I have to strongly agree with the previous poster who wrote that it's important to remember that these are horror films, not bondage erotica. The average guy on the street does not watch these movies in the hope of seeing a girl tied up, and if a woman is bound, and then brutally murdered, he does not think to himself "That really ruined a good bondage scene". He probably thinks something along the lines of "Yeah, I saw B.T.K. confess on CNN, and that's how those guys really operate" or something similar. I have to admit, the bondage scenes in "The Devil's Rejects" did nothing whatsoever for me on a sexual level... but I loved the movie as a well-made horror-western, and if the bondage scenes had been more to my liking, it would have actually made it far less scary and much weaker as a film. |
| Kid Monster |
| Friday December 23 05:36:51 2005 Re: NFL Cheerleaders |
| Mad Dan wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > > > May I ask whether you can create photomanipulations > of > > professional cheerleaders bound and gagged? I'm sure > a > > lot of people who peruse this Website regularly > would love to see them. > > > Cheerleaders? Bit of an exotic species this side of the > Pond (our Welsh rugby team has Charlotte Church and > Katherine Jenkins as songleaders instead), and I can only > think of the names of three American Football teams, but > if you can point me towards some good source pics, I'll > certainly give it a go some time in the New Year. The > outfits are distinctly attractive, I find. > Pictures of professional cheerleaders abound in the American media. If you type "NFL Cheerleaders" in the search field on the Yahoo HomePage, the results wil direct you to a plenitude of Websites featuring professional cheerleaders. Also, there is a Website called the "Professional Cheerleader Blog", which I peruse daily, which is daily updated with articles and pictures of professional cheerleaders from the NFL, NBA, and other professional sports leagues. Furthermore, at the bottom of this WebSite, which takes an interminable amount of time to download, there are links to the homepages of every professional cheerleading squad in North America, and several outside North America. The aforementioned Websites should direct you to a nearly limitless source of images of professional cheerleaders. To further aid you in your quest, here are the names of a few popular cheerleading squads in the United States: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cheerleaders New England Patriots Cheerleaders Oakland Raiderettes Philadelphia Eagles Cheerleaders Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders Washington Redskinettes I hope this information helps. You're correct, the outfits they wear are distinctly attractive, but they're intented to be enticing to men. A lot of the regular perusers of this message board would love to see these ladies bound and gagged in theie cheerleading outfits. |
| Hadji |
| Friday December 23 06:42:29 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? > > "Saw", "Saw-II", > "Wolfcreek", "Hostel"? I don't care > if Raelee Hill, Naomi Watts, Nicole Kidman, & > Julianne Moore spend the first half of the movie dancing > naked & tying each other up... once the pointless > sadism starts, count me out. It's supposed to be > Damsel-in-Distress, not Damsel-in-Dismemberment. > > Don't get me wrong, the studios have every right to make > any movie they want & anyone with the price of a > ticket is free to watch... but don't expect to see me there. http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ This too shall pass. Someday soon a tv (or movie) producer will realize there is a market for shows that combine relatively harmless crime fighting with the wit and sex appeal of Sex and the City or Friends. This has already made plenty of money for certain book publishers. Probably won't be as many bondage scenes as we'd like, but the ones they'll have will be of the harmless, squirm around to get loose manner, not the disgusting torture mentality that you and I both find repulsive. |
| ss |
| Friday December 23 08:00:08 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| > Someday soon a tv (or movie) producer will realize there is a market for shows that combine relatively harmless crime fighting with the wit and sex appeal of Sex and the City or Friends.
Probably won't be as many bondage scenes as we'd like, but the ones they'll have will be of the harmless, squirm around to get loose manner, not the disgusting torture mentality that you and I both find repulsive. ---- Something like a (non-sleep inducing) version of "The Avengers" -- which did have as many bondage scenes as we'd like. :-) |
| Kinky-napper |
| Friday December 23 08:17:49 2005 Lazos Latinos Update |
| Hola a todos.
We have (for Christmas holidays) the4 Lazos Latinos Update with next scenes: - Luz María Jeréz on Silencio Asesino - Alessandra Rosaldo on DKDA - Christian Bach with a great hogtie on Bajo el mismo rostro - Margarita Isabel on unknown soap opera. I wish a happy holidays! Felicidades a todos Lazo Latino |
| Lazo Latino |
| lazo_latino@yahoo.com.mx |
| http://www.lazos-latinos.com |
| Friday December 23 10:21:12 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Help wrote:
> Van wrote: > > > Is it just me, or are we in the middle of a wave of > > movies specifically designed to rub our collective noses > > in pointless death & gratuidous gore? > > Aren't you forgetting Van's First Rule? This stuff isn't > made for DID fans. It is made for horror fans. Horror > fans seem to like it (Saw was a big hit)and they are > extremely cheap to make, so they are going to keep making > them. And I doubt they care at all about how the DID > community feels about it, and they really shouldn't. VAN's FiRST LAW: It isn't about the bondage, it's about the STORY. (Meaning: people make mainstream movies to tell a story, not present us with carefully crafted images of DiD's.) Am I forgetting it? The films I'm talking about may be good horror, or they may not (I've already confessed that if they rate an article in Fangoria & the publicity photos are variations of screaming face dripping with blood, I generally cross them off my list); but I realize they're doing their own thing. Want to make a movie that will make Tarentino say "Cool!": 10% suspense & 90% shock, gallons of fake blood, the Hero's Journey is a slide to death & despair? Hey, you get some finance, some actors, have at it. Maybe it'll be solid storytelling. Maybe it'll win awards & be cited in future reference books. Let me make my position clear. If they announced that Peter Jackson's next film project would be "Let's Go Play At the Adams", & the star was to be either Jessica Alba or Michelle Trachtenberg---I'd *not* be interested. For those who've read the book, the plot (in a nutshell) is the struggle of the heroine, who has been kidnapped & held in non-stop bondage by the children she was babysitting, to escape & save her life. She fails. In fact, she's tortured to death by the children at the end. We put up with a lot of crap to watch marginal DiD-scenes. We even {shudder} watch soap operas. All I'm saying is, for me, blood-gore-torture with no redeeming value is *too much* crap. And that's why I'm not violating my own Law. I know this type of Horror movie isn't about the bondage; I just can't stomach what it *is* about. |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Friday December 23 11:33:00 2005 Re: eva longoria |
| wb wrote:
> here is a few fake's of eva > Who did these fakes - brilliant! Any more? |
| JH |
| Friday December 23 12:57:40 2005 Re: eva longoria |
| JH wrote:
> Who did these fakes - brilliant! Any more? Those are excellent! But she does nothing for me and neither does her show (which will (likely) never have a scene, imho). |
| Friday December 23 13:19:08 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> And that's why I'm not violating my own Law. I know this > type of Horror movie isn't about the bondage; I just can't stomach what it *is* about. I think we need to remember that none of this is real. It's TV or the movies or fiction. Unless it's about a real event, no one was actually hurt or killed unless there was some sort of accident on the set. I know of true stories that are more gruesome than these things. A kidnapping victim was once held bound and gagged for days before the captors realized they weren't going to see a dime. So they poured gasoline on her and set her on fire. Then they left. She didn't die right away, though. Two days later, she froze to death. No movie or book or TV show can match that. |
| gasface |
| Friday December 23 13:22:57 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| I don't really think Saw movies are really stomach turning or anything though. If I had to pick one stomach turning movie so far this year with a DID scene it'd have to be The Devil's Rejects or something like that movie. So to me in the end, I go to see what movies I like and if it has a DID scene all the better. |
| Chris |
| Friday December 23 14:32:21 2005 Re: eva longoria |
| Yes, the fakes are nicely done! Keep up the good work! :D |
| KaoWi |
| shuthermouth@gmail.com |
| http://www.geocities.com/shuthermouth |
| Friday December 23 15:10:04 2005 Insaaf Ka Tarazu |
| I found this downloadable file for the Indian movie "Insaaf Ka Tarazu". It is a rape scene. The assailant gags the damsel, then rips off her dress. The scene cuts, then we see a close up of her bare feet tied (spread) and her arms spread. He removes the gag and does some talking. |
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| http://rapidshare.de/files/6459360/zeenat-aman-rape-insaaf-ka-tarazu-debonairblog-com.wmv.html |
| Friday December 23 17:48:28 2005 Well ... |
| While I won't hold my breath, I definitely WILL have my fingers crossed on this one. I'll be glued to this film for the next little while, hopefully finding stills a little more "relevant" to the community here than what I've posted. |
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| X |
| Friday December 23 17:49:56 2005 Woops. |
| And for the record, that's Jordana in the upcoming Texas Chainsaw Massacre prequel to the 2003 rendition. Not out for almost a year, but it's instilled some hope for DiD in my books -- Van, c'mon, bro. Even YOU would like to see something happenin' in this Horror flik. ;) |
| X |
| Friday December 23 18:23:07 2005 Re: Stomach-turning Cinema |
| Van wrote:
> Let me make my position clear. If they announced that > Peter Jackson's next film project would be "Let's Go > Play At the Adams", & the star was to be either > Jessica Alba or Michelle Trachtenberg---I'd *not* be > interested. After reading this post, I went to the library and found this book. I skimmed through parts of it and thought I would become physically ill at the end. I'd pass on seeing a movie based on it. |
| gasface |
| Friday December 23 18:29:44 2005 stomach churning cinema |
| In defence of Wolf Creek i have to say one of the scenes features Cassandra Macgrath tied and gagged in a shed, lots of struggling, no torture and an escape at the end. I'm sure if it were clipped and put on Major John's or one of the other sites no one would find anything offensive or repulsive in it.
Admittedly though the film itself is not to everyone's taste and i respect the decision of those who would chose not to watch such material. |
| moxx of balhoom |
| Friday December 23 19:33:41 2005 Stomach-churning Cinema |
| My last words on the subject (unless I change my mind):
In case it isn't clear, I'm not suggesting that my personal preference in movie entertainment is anything special. People should go see what they want. I *still* think the last several months have seen an *unusual* number of what I characterize as horror/gore/snuff films, but I won't bother doing some sort of half-assed statistical analysis to "prove" my point. ...& Jordana Brewster? She's been on one or more short lists to join the Dream Cast of one of my stories several times. Maybe she'll make it in 2006. ;-) ...& finally, I *know* movies aren't real. What's that got to do with anything? Actually, on an important level, fiction (including film) is *more* than real. As someone said (& I wish I could remember who), if Queen Victoria came back to life & read her many biographies, she'd remark: "My secrets are safe!" If Anna Karenina came to life & read Tolstoy's novel, she break down crying, & sob: "How did he know??" Could I wade through bloody drek like "The Hills Have Eyes-II (The Uncut (so to speak) Version) for a *REALLY GOOD* DiD-scene? I suppose so, but I'd hold my nose. There, *all* done! :-) |
| Van |
| vvvan@earthlink.net |
| http://www.restrainedtastes.com/van/ |
| Friday December 23 20:33:50 2005 Wolf Creek |
| A question;
I've heard alot about Wolf Creek, and the scene where Cassandra is tied up in the shed. The database states she is wearing no shoes; is she barefoot? Thanks in advance, Merry Christmas to my Brians Page friends, and God bless Fuzz. |
| Oz |
| Friday December 23 22:22:24 2005 serial bondage photo |
| Friday December 23 23:49:13 2005 This Year's Best? |
| I can't seem to think of this year's best in mainstream movies, so which movie does have the best scene this year? |
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