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| Tuesday December 06 00:40:18 2005 Re: Y & R |
| Any bondage with Lauren????
Nothing happened today, However the baddies are planning to go after someone who is going to take a trip on a private boat. No idea when or what they plan. |
| RON |
| Tuesday December 06 08:54:46 2005 Eliza Dushku - Off Broadway Play |
| Eliza is currently in an off-broadway play entitled "Dog Sees God" - in the NY Daily News interview she mentions 'institutional wear and handcuffs' - anybody seen this play? |
| http://nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/370212p-314927c.html |
| Tuesday December 06 12:02:08 2005 Tatu |
| Like the cover for their single! |
| http://eng.tatysite.net/photos/index.php?photo=2244 |
| Tuesday December 06 13:00:34 2005 Re: Tatu |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Like the cover for their single! > http://eng.tatysite.net/photos/index.php?photo=2244 Excellent. Great to see they've moved on from their pseudo-lesbian days to new sexual-shock value tactics. |
| ss |
| Tuesday December 06 13:09:01 2005 Re: Tatu |
| ss wrote:
> (unsigned poster) wrote: > > > Like the cover for their single! > > Excellent. Great to see they've moved on from their > pseudo-lesbian days to new sexual-shock value tactics. If they's just been gagged, I would've bought this CD. Wasn't there any duct tape lying around the studio? A couple of strips placed strategically over their mouths would've greatly increased sales of their albums. Lots o guys would've found a picture of two hot brunettes bound and gagged in leotards to be irresistible. |
| Hadji |
| Tuesday December 06 16:17:03 2005 gagging the Black Canary |
| The Black Canary is a DC Comics character whose special power, in addition to her fighting prowess, is a hypersonic cry. In order to neutralize her power, villains who had managed to capture her had to gag her. She was, consequently, bound and gagged regularly.
She was typically gagged with the standard cloth tied over the mouth. I read a short story in World's Finest Comics in which she was captured by a trio of buffoonish brothers who were criminals. They held her bound and gagged in a trailer while they taunted her with sexist, male chauvinist remarks. She was gagged with a white cloth tied tightly over her mouth. These comments enriled the Black Canary, who rather easily got rid of her gag by a simple vibration of her vocal cords. She then proceeded to beat the crap out of the chauvinist brothers. This made me wonder about the most effective method of gagging the Canary. She has been gagged countless times by the standard white cloth tied over the mouth, and most of the time, she has been unable to remove her gag by simply using her vocal cords. Why was she able to get rid of her gag so easily in the aforementioned short story? The Penguin once had her gagged with a white cloth, which she couldn't remove using her vocal cords. All she could do was make indignant "mmmph" sounds through her gag. She has been gagged by methods other than the standard white cloth over the mouth. The villain Hellgrammite bound and gagged her with a white adhesive substance that completely mummufied her, and in a recent DC Comic, she was gagged with what was basically a metal ballgag. |
| Hadji |
| Tuesday December 06 16:37:25 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Don't forget that crappy Lori Laughn scene from Bird of Prey -- the most taunting thing ever for us gag snobs, with that crap-lodged-up-an-arse voice restrainer -- THAT WENT AROUND HER FREAKIN' NECK.
I shun that scene to this day. Terrible. |
| X |
| Tuesday December 06 18:41:13 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Hadji wrote:
> > Why was she able to get rid > of her gag so easily in the aforementioned short story? Because it was a short story, and the writer decided to keep the plot moving to have her get out of the gag quickly. |
| Tuesday December 06 18:51:30 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > > > Why was she able to get rid > > of her gag so easily in the aforementioned short > story? > > Because it was a short story, and the writer decided to > keep the plot moving to have her get out of the gag quickly. Then why couldn't she simply exercise her powerful vocal cords to get rid of the many white cloths with which she's been gagged countless times? What was the difference between the gag the oafish brothers tied over her mouth, and the white cloth with which the Penguin had her gagged? Was the latter gag tied more tightly? Must a gag be tied with a minimum degree of tightness around the Canary's mouth for it to be effective? In the Green Arrow series that was intended for a more adult audience, an assailant breaks into her bedroom and overpowers her. Her hands are tied to the bedposts and she is gagged with a cloth stuffed into her mouth. She was bound and gagged in this manner while he terrorized her. Couldn't she have used her Canary cry to force the cloth out of her mouth? |
| Hadji |
| Tuesday December 06 19:08:02 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Hadji wrote:
> Then why couldn't she simply exercise her powerful vocal > cords to get rid of the many white cloths with which > she's been gagged countless times? They are comic books, ie: fantasies, not realistic dramatizations of real events. They make it up as they go along to fit the current plot, there is no logical explanation as to why she did it one time, but not others. You are reading too much into it, they require the viewer to suspend their disbelief for 15 minutes of entertainment. |
| Tuesday December 06 19:20:41 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Hadji wrote:
What was the > difference between the gag the oafish brothers tied over > her mouth, and the white cloth with which the Penguin had > her gagged? The Penguin used special Penguin Silencing Cloth. No, seriously, it's just a comic book. It's just a fantasy...by necessity, few fantasies make logical sense. That's not their purpose. Their purpose, as you know, is to entertain or arouse. |
| A Blooz Fan |
| Tuesday December 06 19:25:50 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Hadji wrote:
> This made me wonder about the most effective method of > gagging the Canary. She has been gagged countless times > by the standard white cloth tied over the mouth, and most > of the time, she has been unable to remove her gag by > simply using her vocal cords. Why was she able to get rid > of her gag so easily in the aforementioned short story? The story that you are referring to is from World's Finest Comics #261 (Feb-Mar 1980)- #262 (Apr-May 1980.) The story where Hellgrammite bound and gagged her was from World's Finest Comics #248 (Dec 77- Jan 78)- #249 (Feb-Mar 1978.) She was also bound and gagged (in her secret identity as Dinah Drake Lance with her naturally black hair) in World's Finest Comics #253 (Oct-Nov 1978)- #254 (Dec 78-Jan 79.) All three stories were written by Gerry Conway. In the story where she removes it, either he forgot that she wasn't supposed to be able to remove the gag with her canary cry or he couldn't figure out another way for her to escape (or be rescued.) Either way, it was a MISTAKE. I suppose you could explain it away by saying that the crooks didn't tie the gag tight enough. Black Canary CAN be silenced with a "regular" gag. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 06 19:30:10 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Hadji wrote:
> and in a recent DC Comic, she was gagged with what was basically a metal ballgag. In what comic book did this happen in? Was it "Birds of Prey"? |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 06 19:43:21 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > > > Then why couldn't she simply exercise her powerful > vocal > > cords to get rid of the many white cloths with which > > > she's been gagged countless times? > > They are comic books, ie: fantasies, not realistic > dramatizations of real events. They make it up as they go > along to fit the current plot, there is no logical > explanation as to why she did it one time, but not > others. Yes, it IS a fantasy. However, fantasies have their own type of "internal logic." If a "fact" is established in one story of a series, then later stories in the series need to maintain that same "fact." If you care about the story, then there MUST be an explanation. Hadji, like I said, let's just say that the bumbling brothers in that story didn't tie the gag tight enough, which allowed Black Canary's sonic power to leave her mouth and remove the gag. So, all the other times when Black Canary was gagged, it WAS tied tight enough. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 06 19:44:05 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > > and in a recent DC Comic, she was gagged with what > was basically a metal ballgag. > > In what comic book did this happen in? Was it "Birds > of Prey"? "Body Doubles" mini-series from 4 or 5 years back. Can't find the issue right now, but you can see her b/g in the background on the cover. The Body Doubles (a pair of ammoral, sexualy ambigious,foxy female assassins with a elderly gay male mentor and various Emma Peel-ish fetish outfits)were cool anti-heroes, and out of all the "gritty" 1990's characters, they deserve a comeback. Ammanda Conner pencils with Frank Cho covers would be nice... are you listening DC? |
| Kid Monster |
| Tuesday December 06 19:54:00 2005 Black Canary |
| One of the best scenes I can remember with Black canary was her getting tied hand and foot and gagged by the Joker back in the 70's when Joker had his own short lived series. She was driven around, lifted on top of a bridge, and did a little kung fu with her hands tied too.
I think it was either # 9 or 10. She wasn't in costume, but it was a great scene. The cover took advantage of the scene too. |
| Tuesday December 06 19:57:50 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> Hadji, like I said, let's just say that the bumbling > brothers in that story didn't tie the gag tight enough, > which allowed Black Canary's sonic power to leave her > mouth and remove the gag. > > So, all the other times when Black Canary was gagged, it WAS tied tight enough. I just thought of a much better explanation: In the story that you mentioned, the gag was TIGHT enough, but it was made of a material that was not strong or thick enough to withstand Black Canary's sonic scream, and that all the other times that she was gagged, the gags WERE made of a material that was strong and thick enough. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 06 20:14:24 2005 Re: Black Canary |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> One of the best scenes I can remember with Black canary > was her getting tied hand and foot and gagged by the > Joker back in the 70's when Joker had his own short lived > series. Actually, that scene is from THE JOKER #4 (Nov-Dec 1975.) She is bound and gagged as Dinah, so she has black hair. Unfortunately, she was not gagged on the cover. Here is a link to the cover. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=29189&zoom=4 |
| Tuesday December 06 20:19:57 2005 Re: Angelina Jolie |
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This post was deleted. Poster: (unsigned poster) Reason: Daniel is an idiot who repeatedly posts his requests to the wrong forum. So followups go away too. Sorry. |
| The Moderator |
| Tuesday December 06 20:22:25 2005 Re: Black Canary |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> Unfortunately, she was not gagged on the cover. In the story inside, not only is she gagged, but her hands are tied BEHIND her back. However, she is wearing the same clothing. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday December 06 21:55:17 2005 Re: gagging the Black Canary |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> I just thought of a much better explanation: In the story > that you mentioned, the gag was TIGHT enough, but it was > made of a material that was not strong or thick enough to > withstand Black Canary's sonic scream, and that all the > other times that she was gagged, the gags WERE made of a > material that was strong and thick enough. You're really putting way too much thought into this. It's a fantasy. When you have a fantasy in your mind- let's say, I don't know, in your head you are saving a DiD from an oncoming train or something-- do you ever pause to ANALYZE the logic of the situation (you know, the train schedule)? Of course not- no one does. Comic books are fantasies, adolescent male wet dreams- they are not things that are subject to rational means of inquiry. He could come up with an idea, you could, anyone could- how could anyone figure out who was right or wrong if it's just a dream in the first place? |
| A Cards Fan |
| Tuesday December 06 23:45:49 2005 Good day for cartoon bondage fans. |
| Released on DVD today were vol. 3 of TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES, which features two of April O'Neil's best bondage scenes ("Burne's Blues" and "Enter The Rat King"), as well as SUPERMAN vol. 2 (featuring the classic "World's Finest" two-parter with both Lois Lane *and* Mercy Graves bound & gagged) and BATMAN vol. 4 (which has a short but sweet scene featuring two of the Penguin's henchladies in the "Judgment Day" ep). |
| Robert Knaus |
| knauswalpole@aol.com |
| http://community.webtv.net/RKNAUS/SaturdayMorning |
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