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Wednesday December 07 00:49:57 2005
Black Canary
This post was moved to The Trading Forum.

Poster: jasper
Reason: Off-topic.
The Moderator
Wednesday December 07 02:51:10 2005
Re: gagging the Black Canary
A Blooz Fan wrote:

> The Penguin used special Penguin Silencing Cloth. No,
> seriously, it's just a comic book.
> few make logical sense.

Like how the damn Penguin keeps getting out of jail? Why the hell do those comic book writers allow this REPEAT OFFENDER to be paroled??
Rick DiPietro and Arron Ashram
Wednesday December 07 04:57:33 2005
Re: gagging the Black Canary
Rick DiPietro and Arron Ashram wrote:
> Why the hell do those comic book writers allow this REPEAT OFFENDER to be paroled??

Because they could be one of us and enjoy having catgirl repeatedly get B&G? :)

Kerhop
Wednesday December 07 06:46:53 2005
re:lynda carter
thanks guys for suggesting ebay for the lynda carter dvd, its on its way......

that was just too obvious an option..doh!
jack
Wednesday December 07 07:40:10 2005
Home & Away alert for UK viewers
Sorry I can't be me more specific with any of the important details but I didn't get this info from the net.
Apparenty, new girl Holly Brisley's character Amanda is tied up and gagged in a bedroom. This episode screened pretty much straight after Holly came on the show, mid July (possibly the week Mon 11th - Fri 15th)
I was pretty disappointed to hear what I missed! Hopefully someone in the UK can grab it when it comes around.
Wednesday December 07 08:14:05 2005
Laura Prepon
Iwas looking for something competely unrelated and came across an annoucemnt for a movie called Karla (Formerly called "deadly") which will be a movie about Karla Homolka. THe movie will star Laura Prepon and is supposed to be out in Nov. 2005. Anyone heard or seen anything about this....a scene certainly seems possible...considering the topic.
Wednesday December 07 09:28:46 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
(unsigned poster) wrote:

Apparenty, new girl Holly Brisley's character Amanda is
tied up and gagged in a bedroom. This episode screened
pretty much straight after Holly came on the show, mid
July (possibly the week Mon 11th - Fri 15th)
I was pretty disappointed to hear what I missed!

My OZ mates have this 'in the can' and are forwarding.
Probably will be available on Major John's this month
sometime.
Major John
http://www.bindher.com
Wednesday December 07 13:45:19 2005
OLTL?
Anything occur today?
cc
Wednesday December 07 15:58:55 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
Major John wrote:

> My OZ mates have this 'in the can' and are forwarding.
> Probably will be available on Major John's this month
> sometime.


Someone promote this guy to Lieutenant-Colonel ('Leff-tenant'-Colonel in Canada)
Wednesday December 07 16:19:33 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
> Apparenty, new girl Holly Brisley's character Amanda is
> tied up and gagged in a bedroom.

Sounds like an A+ scene
http://www.bessiesbodysecrets.com/before/holly.jpg
http://www.sexiest100.org/gallery/hollybrisley,1/
Wednesday December 07 16:26:31 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
> Sounds like an A+ scene

"In a nice, 10 second scene we see the beautiful Holly mmphing through a tape gag, bound and helpless in a sexy black dress"

Wednesday December 07 16:30:34 2005
Re: gagging the Black Canary
Tapemaster wrote:

> (unsigned poster) wrote:
>
> > Hadji wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Then why couldn't she simply exercise her
> powerful
> > vocal
> > > cords to get rid of the many white cloths with
> which
> >
> > > she's been gagged countless times?
> >
> > They are comic books, ie: fantasies, not realistic
> > dramatizations of real events. They make it up as
> they go
> > along to fit the current plot, there is no logical
> > explanation as to why she did it one time, but not
> > others.
>
> Yes, it IS a fantasy. However, fantasies have their own
> type of "internal logic." If a "fact"
> is established in one story of a series, then later
> stories in the series need to maintain that same
> "fact." If you care about the story, then there
> MUST be an explanation.
>

Thank you, Tapemaster, for your supportive comments, and your phenomenal memory at recalling the issues in which the Black Canary was bound and gagged. I concede that comic books are nothing more than illustrated fantasies, but even they must adhere to some rules of logic.
Superhuman powers need not be validated by scientific principles, but some form of logic must apply in a comic book story. Logic must provide the underpinnings of the comic book universe. In fact, Marvel Comics used to offer an award called a "No-Prize" to readers who pointed out logical errors in their comic books.
As Tapemaster stated, once a "fact" has been established about a character in one story, this "fact" sets a precedent for other stories in which this character appears, and must apply to those stories.
If the Black Canary can be successfully gagged with an ordinary white cloth tied over her mouth, then she should not be able to dislodge such a gag using her Canary cry. If she was able to employ her Canary cry to free her mouth in this instance, then she should've been able to use it to free her mouth when she was gagged all those other times.
Hadji
Wednesday December 07 16:31:55 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
"AMANDA’S FLAT - Scott approaches the partially open front door. He enters - and sees the things are strewn about. Amanda screams out - and Scott runs to her. Amanda is bound & gagged. Scott removes the tape from her mouth, and Amanda says that someone broke into her flat (end of ep)"
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Wednesday December 07 16:40:47 2005
Re: gagging the Black Canary
A Cards Fan wrote:

> Tapemaster wrote:
>
>
> > I just thought of a much better explanation: In the
> story
> > that you mentioned, the gag was TIGHT enough, but it
> was
> > made of a material that was not strong or thick
> enough to
> > withstand Black Canary's sonic scream, and that all
> the
> > other times that she was gagged, the gags WERE made
> of a
> > material that was strong and thick enough.
>
> You're really putting way too much thought into this.
> It's a fantasy. Of course not- no one does. Comic
> books are fantasies, adolescent male wet dreams- they are
> not things that are subject to rational means of
> inquiry.

You're absolutely right, comic books are illustrated fantasies; so are the books, movies, and television programs that are discussed on this message board. The point of this message board is to discuss bound and gagged damsels, and if we discern any logical inconstencies about the manner in which they are bound, gagged, or both, then we mention it in a post.
I wanted to entertain speculations from the regular contributors to this message board as to why a bound and gagged Black Canary was able to dislodge her gag using her special pwer in one story, when she couldn't do it before.



Hadji
Wednesday December 07 16:45:07 2005
Re: Laura Prepon
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Iwas looking for something competely unrelated and came
> across an annoucemnt for a movie called Karla (Formerly
> called "deadly") which will be a movie about
> Karla Homolka. THe movie will star Laura Prepon and is
> supposed to be out in Nov. 2005. Anyone heard or seen
> anything about this....a scene certainly seems
> possible...considering the topic.

There's a handgag for one female victim, and a tieup/blindfold scene of another one in a school uniform.
There is a (VERY) slight chance of seeing Laura Prepon bound and/or gagged during a consentual sex scene, since there are a bunch of Karla Homolka bound and gagged sex photos on the web.
Although, since those consentual photo sessions aren't that relevant to the main plot, I doubt the filmakers reenacted them taking those pics.
Anubis
Wednesday December 07 17:20:38 2005
Re: Home & Away alert for UK viewers
(unsigned poster) wrote:

Someone promote this guy to Lieutenant-Colonel
('Leff-tenant'-Colonel in Canada)

Thanks for the support - but MOST likely, given my record , to be court martialed and demoted to private .......
Major John
Wednesday December 07 17:33:51 2005
Re: gagging the Black Canary
Tapemaster wrote:

> I just thought of a much better explanation: In the story
> that you mentioned, the gag was TIGHT enough, but it was
> made of a material that was not strong or thick enough

Great post!
You inadvertantly hit the nail on the head when you said you THOUGHT of an explanation.
Comic books rely on a healthy imagination, the reader fills in the gaps between panels. That really is the essence of the medium, without the reader to connect the dots in their mind, it's just a fragmented mosaic of iluustrated panels.

They aren't going to spend their extremely limited page space on an explanation detailing how a gag was tied, what it was made out of, and then compare the density of the cloth that it was made out of to the other 100 or so gag scenes.

Just simply assume she got lucky and it wasn't the same cloth, or it was looser than usual. Use your imagination.

The problem with everything being spoon-fed to people these days, is that it hinders their mind and leaves unable to think up their own reasonable explanations. They want all their thinking done for them by someone else.

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