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Wednesday February 10 00:12:29 2010
Re: Tightest Cleaves
John wrote:

> wb wrote:
> > I'm surprised no one mentioned Marlene Dauden's veay
>
> > tight cleav from Combat Killers.
> This whole scene has to qualify as one of the greatest of
> all time. The bondage is very tight and believable, the
> struggling intense, and the escape desperate. I can
> watch this one over and over and over and over and never
> tire of it. Only wish it were longer.

Or that one could even FIND this movie!. It has never been on DVD or VHS to my knowledge, and certainly never shown on TV. If one doesn't want to just watch it on his computer, a person is kinds outta luck on it!
I assume it can be found online but some of us prefer old fashing media one can hold in their hands!

JP
japfeif@aol.com
Wednesday February 10 00:46:31 2010
Re: Being Human

> Hey OutlawUK, great site, I went to it for the first time
> today.
> Question though: there were 2 actresses, Noel Francomano
> ("Crazy Love") and Cheryl Lyone ("Back
> Alley Butcher") whose movies were not even in the
> IMDB (I went there to see if the movies were available on
> DVD or video). Are you sure about those scene IDs?

I don't know if Noel Francomano's movie is out there or not but I'll vouch for the quote from her. I found her quote myself on the internet a while back.

CD
Wednesday February 10 00:51:02 2010
Re: Most Effective Gags

> Balding's scene in THE SILENT SCREAM or Kate Mulgrew's
> scene in A STRANGER IS WATCHING. Both gags had some mouth
> packing (an OTM gag in Rebecca's case & a tape gag
> for Kate), but in each case, the packing is seen for just
> a super brief shot as the gag is removed & she spits
> it out

Mouth stuffing adds so much. I love the German scene that's on the internet with the beautiful brunette who starts out tied in the chair and cleave-gagged with very visible stuffing, then spends the rest of the scene standing while the fight and rescue take place. I don't know what that's from but I'm sure many of you have seen it.



Wednesday February 10 00:55:34 2010
Re: Spitting Out Mouth Stuffing
Another surprise spitting out of mouth stuffing was in that old show "Counterstrike" with the good looking blonde actress who was being marched in the woods while tied and cleave-gagged. At the end when the gag was removed she spit out stuffing and it added to the scene for me.

And the episode of "Vegas" with the captured good looking Nun. She spit out mouth packing at the end, too, if I remember right.
Wednesday February 10 01:15:20 2010
Bree Williamson Quote
Bree Williamson was interviewed and asked about her recent electroshock scene on "One Life to Live." She said:

"The bite guard thing was a little creepy. I almost choked on it. When they did the scene of me choking I actually was."

Wednesday February 10 06:01:47 2010
RE: Cameron Diaz/Head Above Water
Well I suspect Ms. Diaz may be one of us. I mean we're talking about a girl who can choose and pick her scripts at will and somehow seems to have ended up with more than the normal ammount of scenes to her name.

I wouldn't be surprised if she suggested the packing and a lime happened to be the only thing to hand for it.
The Truth
Wednesday February 10 06:44:14 2010
Re: Being Human
rex wrote:

> (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > Outlaw UK wrote:
> > > Here are some stills
> > >
> >
> http://sites.google.com/site/damselindistressinterviews/
> > this is an irish actress called Charlene McKenna
> glad to
> > see a scene for her any idea where the video of this
> episode is?
> Hey OutlawUK, great site, I went to it for the first time
> today.
> Question though: there were 2 actresses, Noel Francomano
> ("Crazy Love") and Cheryl Lyone ("Back
> Alley Butcher") whose movies were not even in the
> IMDB (I went there to see if the movies were available on
> DVD or video). Are you sure about those scene IDs? Both
> scenes sound interesting & I'd like to find them.
> Incidently, one movie listed in the IMDB for Cheryl, RUN BITCH RUN! does look promising..anyone seen this one?
Thanks, rex

I can't find the scenes on the imdb either
I think that Noel in Crazy Love is probably a lesser known movie but I have found many references to it on the internet so I think its a genuine movie and therefore I would believe Noels account of what happened in it
I Searched for Cheryl in Back Alley Butcher and found some Dvd covers and a few stills and then I found quite a lengthy clip which I've posted on rapidshare
Warning it is quite dark and might not appeal to everyone

http://rapidshare.com/files/348624922/Back_Alley_Butcher.wmv

The Link is also on my Site


OutlawUK
outlawuk@hotmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/damselindistressinterviews/
Wednesday February 10 07:17:00 2010
Noel Francomano Crazy Love
> > Question though: there were 2 actresses, Noel
> Francomano
> > ("Crazy Love") and Cheryl Lyone
> ("Back
> > Alley Butcher") whose movies were not even in
> the
> > IMDB (I went there to see if the movies were
> available on
> > DVD or video). Are you sure about those scene IDs?
> I don't know if Noel Francomano's movie is out there or
> not but I'll vouch for the quote from her. I found her
> quote myself on the internet a while back.

Here is a synopsis of Crazy Love
"Crazy Love" is a whole different monster. It’s a very small and intimate cast. About a married man who meets a woman at a fetish party and tries to start a relationship that fulfills "his" needs. They go away for a weekend and everything goes horribly wrong. I play Beth aka the other woman who is basically an emotional invalid. I loved working on this film; Toby Rymkus (director) is always a blast on set. The best is when you know you've done something that he loves because all you can hear is this giggle coming from behind the camera.

OutlawUK
outlawuk@hotmail.com
http://sites.google.com/site/damselindistressinterviews/
Wednesday February 10 10:09:09 2010
Re: Most Effective Gags
JP wrote:

> I wonder about those things sometimes. Like Rebecca
> Balding's scene in THE SILENT SCREAM or Kate Mulgrew's
> scene in A STRANGER IS WATCHING. Both gags had some mouth
> packing (an OTM gag in Rebecca's case & a tape gag
> for Kate), but in each case, the packing is seen for just
> a super brief shot as the gag is removed & she spits
> it out (in fact, Rebecca's mouth stuffing can really only
> be seen using slo-mo or freeze frame). Little details
> like that are a bit puzzling. Kudos to the director (or
> whoever) for adding it, as it added realism to the gag,
> but as there is no real focus on it, and there are SO
> MANY gag scenes out there (especially OTMs) with no
> packing and still no sound from the heroine able to be
> heard, the director could readily be forgiven for
> omitting that little detail (kudos to the actresses too,
> as the packing must have made the gag more uncomfortable, and for a detail that is so fast it's almost missed).

Packing becomes uncomfortable to the actress very quickly so that's half the reason for the loosies.

As for the brief appearance of packing in some movies? Scenes like that are random film events, you dont know what will be seen in the 2 or 3 seconds it takes to film an ungagging scene. In a vanilla production you wont reshoot it if you dont get a good short of the packing coming out.

The packing is added because they want to sell the idea that the captive really is silenced, especially if the story has suggestions that rescue is possible (as is the case in all the scenes being mentioned.) Obviously the director thinks that a simple tape gag or cleave wont cut it, adds something more realistic but doesn't need the shot so badly that he redoes it if it's brief.
Tom Quin
Wednesday February 10 10:12:41 2010
Re: Spitting Out Mouth Stuffing
(unsigned poster) wrote:
> Another surprise spitting out of mouth stuffing was in
> that old show "Counterstrike" with the good
> looking blonde actress who was being marched in the woods
> while tied and cleave-gagged. At the end when the gag was
> removed she spit out stuffing and it added to the scene
> for me.
> And the episode of "Vegas" with the captured
> good looking Nun. She spit out mouth packing at the end,
> too, if I remember right.

The good-looking blonde who was so effectively gagged on "Counterstrike" was Sophie Michaud. The good-looking blonde nun who spent much of that Vega$ episode bound and gagged in the back seat of a car was Cassie Yates. I concur that the mouth packing made the actresses' gags more effective and dramatically enhanced the realism of the two scenes.
Hadji
Wednesday February 10 10:16:52 2010
RE: Cameron Diaz/Head Above Water
The Truth wrote:
> Well I suspect Ms. Diaz may be one of us. I mean we're
> talking about a girl who can choose and pick her scripts
> at will and somehow seems to have ended up with more than
> the normal ammount of scenes to her name.
> I wouldn't be surprised if she suggested the packing and
> a lime happened to be the only thing to hand for it.

This is a very plausible explanation. Ms. Diaz is a prominent actress who didn't have to star in a movie in which she would be bound and gagged, much less gagged with something stuffed in her mouth. The cloth may have been readily available to tie over her mouth, but she may, as you've speculated, have suggested that something be stuffed into her mouth in order to make her gagging more realistic. The lime may have been the only object available to stuff in her mouth.
Hadji
Wednesday February 10 10:38:46 2010
RE: Cameron Diaz/Head Above Water
Hadji wrote:

> The Truth wrote:
> > Well I suspect Ms. Diaz may be one of us. I mean
> we're
> > talking about a girl who can choose and pick her
> scripts
> > at will and somehow seems to have ended up with more
> than
> > the normal ammount of scenes to her name.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if she suggested the packing
> and
> > a lime happened to be the only thing to hand for it.
> This is a very plausible explanation. Ms. Diaz is a
> prominent actress who didn't have to star in a movie in
> which she would be bound and gagged, much less gagged
> with something stuffed in her mouth. The cloth may have
> been readily available to tie over her mouth, but she
> may, as you've speculated, have suggested that something
> be stuffed into her mouth in order to make her gagging
> more realistic. The lime may have been the only object available to stuff in her mouth.


Most likely they wanted the gag to look effective and improvised, after all Harvey Keitel's character hadn't gone there expecting to have to gag his wife (unlike most thrillers where the bad guys are expecting to have to subdue people.) By using the lime, which we assume they had for cooking, the director sells the idea that Harvey improvised something that kept her quiet from what he had on hand. By using packing he also shows why she couldnt alert anyone outside.

Tom Quin
Wednesday February 10 11:58:37 2010
Re: Being Human
Full scene in high quality has now been posted in Videos, for your enjoyment. :-)
Sam
Wednesday February 10 12:06:08 2010
Victoria Smurfit
Hello,

Maybe someone could help me with this one...

Does anyone know if Victoria Smurfit from Trial & Retribution (ITV) has ever had a scene ? In this show or another, even a minor one or a handgag ?

Sadly, there is nothing for her on database :((

Thanks in advance for taking time to read this

gogol
Wednesday February 10 13:40:37 2010
Re: Tightest Cleaves
The damsel from the soap 'Texas' had the tightest cleave. The villainess tying it really got into it
http://www.bondageparade.com/cap/Texas-AlexandraMcNeil.jpg
Wednesday February 10 13:57:24 2010
Re: Tightest Cleaves
Hopefully Ashley Greene gets one soon

http://www.newstoob.com/media/images/2008/11/1110_ashley-greene-maxim-001.jpg
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/133171/ASHLEY-GREENE-INTERVIEW.jpg
Wednesday February 10 15:08:37 2010
Re: Tightest Cleaves
JP wrote:

> John wrote:
> > wb wrote:
> > > I'm surprised no one mentioned Marlene Dauden's
> veay
> >
> > > tight cleav from Combat Killers.
> > This whole scene has to qualify as one of the
> greatest of
> > all time. The bondage is very tight and believable,
> the
> > struggling intense, and the escape desperate. I can
>
> > watch this one over and over and over and over and
> never
> > tire of it. Only wish it were longer.
> Or that one could even FIND this movie!. It has never
> been on DVD or VHS to my knowledge, and certainly never
> shown on TV. If one doesn't want to just watch it on his
> computer, a person is kinds outta luck on it!
> I assume it can be found online but some of us prefer old
> fashing media one can hold in their hands!


Actually, Combat Killers did come out on VHS. There's a video chain in the midwest called Family Video that had tons of old movies ranging from the 1960s through the 1990s for rent, two for a buck, and among them was Combat Killers. Once the film industry went entirely to DVD about three years back, Family Video chains began selling off the VHS tapes on the cheap. I bought up a few of them, but someone else bought up the copy of Combat Killers. I had a copy of the scene, so I wasn't too worried about the entire film itself. My point is that this film, and a lot more full treatment treasures from the VHS era, are available, just not as easily. There are websites out there for places that sell old films. If I can scare some links up I will post a follow up.

KEVIN
Wednesday February 10 15:50:34 2010
MÁS SABE EL DIABLO
didn't someone mention a scene in for this one involving Gaby Espino...do we know this for sure this novela ends this week
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x79/pixvirtual/us008/HMgax5GgEHGq.jpg
Wednesday February 10 15:58:40 2010
Heartbeat Update
lisa kay has a chair broken over her head at 37" ish!
next time we see her she has her hands taped in front with elastoplast from wrists almost to fingertips- about a rolls worth- and her booted ankles taped before being gagged onscreen with a huge strip of elastoplast that goes from ear to ear. Lots of close-ups before she kicks her captor at 42", he pushes her over and pc plod rushes to the rescue
-----------------------------

Update from Rob's Damsels Page
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2957/heartbeat.jpg
Wednesday February 10 16:08:21 2010
Re: Heartbeat Update
> lisa kay has a chair broken over her head at 37"

Not a big fan of that, unless it's a female villain then it's more slapstick. What's wrong with a nice chloroform or handgag/fainting??
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2995970857_55f4c28d50.jpg
Wednesday February 10 16:15:33 2010
RE: Cameron Diaz/Head Above Water
The Truth wrote:

> Well I suspect Ms. Diaz may be one of us. I mean we're
> talking about a girl who can choose and pick her scripts
> at will
At the time that this particular movie was made I don't believe (could be wrong) that Ms. Diaz had yet achieved the superstar status that might allow her to "choose and pick her scripts at will." Certainly doubt that she suggested using the lime.

Wednesday February 10 16:25:48 2010
Re: Heartbeat Update
So this episode was shown then? when and where please? sounds like a great scene to me
henry fool
henry_fool@lycos.com
Wednesday February 10 16:31:55 2010
Prime Time Scenes
Way too quiet lately. When's the next B&G scene coming up???
Wednesday February 10 16:41:40 2010
Re: Prime Time Scenes
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Way too quiet lately. When's the next B&G scene
> coming up???

Should've been Chuck on Monday. Bad guys saw Kristin Kreuk on video kissing Chuck so they called for a tech assist from her and she showed up alone. They wanted her for bait to lure in Chuck. They had the old museum curator dude b&g so what do they do with her? Lock her in a room and start pumping out the air. They could've done the same deathtrap thing but with her very tightly rope bound and gagged (cleave with packing applied on screen) since all she did is walk around, panic, and pass out so being unbound added nothing to the plot. Did I mention how sexy she looks in the tight blouse and tighter miniskirt...
Wednesday February 10 16:58:39 2010
RE: Cameron Diaz/Head Above Water
(unsigned poster) wrote: The Truth wrote:
Well I suspect Ms. Diaz may be one of us. I mean
we're talking about a girl who can choose and pick her
scripts...

She talks a bit about it in this old interview...from Movieweb:

What attracted you to do this?

Cameron Diaz: I look at scripts oftentimes; it's funny because the first time I really articulated it was in the next room. Somebody said ‘Was it Maggie that brought you in?’ I realized I don't pick films based on characters per se; I look at a script as a whole, I look at the full content, and oftentimes that gets me in trouble. Like how many times have I done a film where I've gotten tied up or I've had to get into cold water or I'm in a wedding dress. Those things are like ‘Oh, right, I'm going to have to spend all that time tied up.’ I didn't really realize that because I was looking at the whole script. Do you know what I mean? So I do that often times. I wasn't looking at Maggie going ‘Oh, she's dyslexic, she's a whore. Yes; I want to play her.’ I looked at the whole picture and the whole arch of all the characters in the story that they were telling, and I knew my place would be Maggie. I knew that I would be playing Maggie, but in this incredible story about these three women telling a universal story.
Gibbs
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NErdazuxDmMRuA
Wednesday February 10 18:15:19 2010
Re: Tightest Cleaves
JP wrote:

> John wrote:
> > > I'm surprised no one mentioned Marlene Dauden's
> veay tight cleav from Combat Killers.
SNIP
> > tire of it. Only wish it were longer.
> Or that one could even FIND this movie!. It has never
> been on DVD or VHS to my knowledge, and certainly never
> shown on TV. If one doesn't want to just watch it on his
> computer, a person is kinds outta luck on it!
> I assume it can be found online but some of us prefer old
> fashing media one can hold in their hands!

I have it on DVD. It is a region 2 DVD, but a regular release, NOT a bootleg. It took a while to find, but I do have it. It is so great to see with out the grainy-ness.
H
diddvd@yahoo.com
Wednesday February 10 18:58:17 2010
Re: Sisyphus
Kenny wrote:

> Apologies if this is old news but I only recently came
> across it.

Thanks a lot, Kenny! I visited the website and it sounds like a dream movie for me. I couldn't view it , unfortunately (don't know whether that's because my security settings block most movies or the site is kerflooey), but the stills were fun all the same. I'll look around and see it if I can find it anywhere else.
The Kindly One
Wednesday February 10 19:12:25 2010
The Gigolo episode from "Women : Stories of Passion"
Does anyone have the video or know how to get the "Women: Stories of Passion" Episode: The Gigolo (1997). Apparently this sexy dame hires a gigolo to fulfill her bondage fantasies (including ballgag!). Let me know.
donsean
Wednesday February 10 21:12:47 2010
Busty and Bad
This post was moved to The Video Page.

Poster: donsean
Reason: Off-topic.
The Moderator
Wednesday February 10 21:35:45 2010
Re: Sisyphus
The Kindly One wrote:

> I couldn't view it ,
> unfortunately (don't know whether that's because my
> security settings block most movies or the site is
> kerflooey), but the stills were fun all the same.

It should work for you -- check your plugins. It's some kind of embed, obviously, so check to see if you're running the latest flash. There's so much crap out there for embedding media that its hard to stay on top of, but fear not - this isn't a regional thing like several of the full episodes posted here (ie. SORRY THIS IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE USA).

X
Wednesday February 10 23:41:11 2010
Re: MÁS SABE EL DIABLO
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> didn't someone mention a scene in for this one involving
> Gaby Espino...do we know this for sure this novela ends
> this week

According to a website that tracks Spanish soaps, Mas Sabe El Diablo is supposed to finish February 12, 2010. So, if anything is going to happen to Gaby Espino, I would think it would this week or next before February 12th.

Does anyone what is suppose to happen to Gaby Espino's character? Is she going to be bound and gagged let me know thanks.
Peter Parker

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