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| Monday March 17 04:25:44 2003 Chameleon 3 |
| Record number: 2729
Title: Chameleon 3: Dark Angel (2000) Medium: TV Movie Actress: Bobbie Phillips (as Bobbi Phillips), Suzi Dougherty Just a detail: No she isn't. Gagged, that is. Doherty, that is. |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 05:34:29 2003 # 8533, typos and a question. |
| Record number: 8533
Title: Chinese Torture Chamber (1995) aka Chinese Torture Chamber Story Damn I made a few typos in one of the last sentencies. It should have read " ...one of them then suspended AOH, bound with red cloth strips" Then a question: I was in doubt whether or not to include this one. Same as the "bad girls" entry from yesterday. The border between these types of movies and regular commercial porn/bondage is kind of blurred. They are both in IMDB (Guess regular porn isn't?), besided I saw that the second "Torture Chamber Story" already was in the DB. What do you think? |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 10:31:39 2003 Dead Fire |
| Current entry:
Record number: 909 Title: Dead Fire (1997) Medium: Movie Actress: Lucie Zednickova, unknown Description: In the film's opening sequence, a cafeteria worker aboard a space station who has been taken hostage is shown sitting on the edge of a table, with her ankles tied to one of its legs, her hands behind her back, and tightly cleave-gagged. The psycho bad guys procedes to unbutton her blouse, tug her breasts from her bra and fondle them. Late in the film there's a brief shot of another woman with her wrists tied behind her, but it's too quick to be really worthwhile. First scene: Description OK. Restraints binding hands not shown, legs tied with thin white rope. Cleavegag white. Wears waitress uniform: shirt made in a shiny grey material, and a short white skirt. Her bra is white. Her breasts are...no never mind. Second scene: Actress Monika Schnarre. Hands tied together behind her back, not gagged. Restraints not seen. She is seen being led into a room by guards, then fondled by another blonde- it's the breasts again, but this time through the clothing. Wearing-and continuing to wear- a white sleeveless shirt and black pants. There you go Jay. |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 10:56:11 2003 Re: [#2729] Chameleon 3 |
| > she isn't. Gagged,
Got it, thanx for the assist here. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 11:17:06 2003 Re: [#909]- Dead Fire |
| > There you go Jay.
Got it, thanx for your assist here. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 11:34:20 2003 Credits to Jay |
| Just saw the result of an old entry, with a bit of new info added from myself. (Dead fire)
One comment: Way to go Jay!! I am impressed, it's so good! Precise, yet not leaving out any significant detail! A pleasure to cooperate with you! |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 11:47:02 2003 Re: [#8533], typos and a question |
| "It should have read " ...one of them then suspended AOH, bound with red cloth strips"" Got it, thanx "The border between these types of movies and regular commercial porn/bondage is kind of blurred." Understood, Not sure how they're rating with the republicans now in Hong Kong? Here's how judged under the old system: This one likely be rated HK CAT-III, with your erotica, horror, or bunch of courters go to to an abandoned area along with a killer, types. In Canada, Rated Adult movies are kept in a separate section, where CAT-III were in the main section along with the other movies. So figured it CAT-III okay for the DB. Realise this a rough guide, but I trust your judgement here. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 12:29:05 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| > In Canada,
> Rated Adult movies are kept in a separate section, > where CAT-III were in the main section Should add, Awhile back had this discussion with Brian and the fellas. As with majority of posters being from US, wanted to get an idea of US system? At time, visited US and went out to video stores to get an idea, but many didn't carry Rated Adult films. So, if this better answers? We have a US based Blockbuster Video chain store in my neighbourhood. Really neat, has a lot of new releases, but carries no Rated Adult films. Nor have I seen CAT-III films in them. Local based Rogers stores here copy the Blockbuster stores. They even hang TVs from the ceiling and sell pop & treats like in US. They don't carry Rated Adult films, but they do have CAT-III films. Only difference noticed between the two, is Blockbuster has the Canadian films in a separate section. Probably due to US films being more popular? But imagine if they picked up a popular CAT-III film, they'd have it on shelf same as Rogers store? This best can relate on the subject. But again, I trust your judgement here. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 13:20:42 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| First, this HK CAT-III i do not understand a word of.
You say you had a discussion with Brian and the guys. Yes, but what was the result? There must be some kind of precedence? As for Brian's page being American, and knowing the American fear towards anything sexy I agree let's not use THAT as a parameter. (Brian should you read this, know: I only do try to discuss the topic). Are there commercial porn movies in IMDB? If not we could use that: Movies allowed to enter IMDB are also allowed to enter Brian's DB. Would be a fairly rigid criteria, easy to work with. Or not? |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 14:59:38 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| Just tried to enter the name of a REAL commercial bondage movie into IMDB ("Bondage Apartment" from Archives BBS just off of my head) no hits.
Has this ever been discussed? Using IMDB'a criteria? |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 15:04:36 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| And yes OK now you said you trusted my judgment two times. Same as Brian said to you.
Nothing wrong with that, if you want ME to make the rules for Brian's Page! So OK I will. My entries go. Future entries from me: go. No kidding. |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 16:05:03 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| > First, this HK CAT-III i do not understand a word of.
Aye, realise was rough answer. Can't recall off-hand the Hong Kong Category III or "CAT-III" films already in the DB. So's try with US examples. Friday The 13th type Hong Kong movies where sexy girls get cut up and such, are normally rated "CAT-III". All sit on the mainstream shelf areas of the video store, so okay for DB. Shannon Tweed type HK movies are normally rated CAT-III, and on Mainstream shelf here, so's okay too. The plot for Man qing shi da ku xing (1995) aka Chinese Torture Chamber, sounds like these two examples, so likely classed CAT-III. Sounds okay for the DB to me. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 16:23:26 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| "You say you had a discussion with Brian and the guys.
Yes, but what was the result? There must be some kind of precedence?" Basically, had to be available from a mainstream source, and not the Rated Adult films. Since that time, Have posted the mainstream or main area of video store movies to the DB. What few Rated Adult scenes have noticed, have been posted on the Anything Goes Page. Off-hand, here is a Hong Kong movie that I'm pretty sure is rated CAT-III. Record number: 4302 Title: Raped By An Angel (1993) a.k.a Naked Killer 2 Medium: Movie Actress: Ng Suet Man And 2 Unknowns Description: Ng Suet Man plays a lady who enjoys force fantasies involving handcuffs with her lawyer boyfriend. The boyfriend turns evil, and after the break-up, handcuffs two other ladies hands behind them. Of course, the lawyer gets around to kidnapping Ng's character. She's cuffed hands behind, and in an interesting sense of humour? he draws a pair of lips on her tape gag. This is available on a mainstream shelf in main area here, so figured it okay for the DB. "Are there commercial porn movies in IMDB?" Yes, I've seen some Rated Adult movies in the IMDB |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 16:47:22 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| > And yes OK now you said you trusted my judgment two
> times. > Nothing wrong with that, if you want ME to make the rules > for Brian's Page! Go slow, that's not what I meant here. Was relating how I judge between mainstream, or not mainstream, based on what figured Brian wanted in his DB at the time. Getting back to your entry and question, Put the Chinese Torture Chamber IMDB page in the (homepage link) Didn't spot this first time around, but if you go down to "Certification", you'll see it's "Hong Kong:III". Or CAT-III like I expected. Also has a plot, so I'd bet more than likely it'll be on the mainstream shelf. Okay for the DB. I'll try and look up some Rated Adult Chinese ones on the Anything Goes Page. That figured weren't allowed in the DB. There is quick bondage scenes, but mostly sex, oral sex, ladies urinating, etc. You have to go into an adults only room to see these here, (normally a back room with a curtain hanging in the doorway). Hence, deemed them non-mainstream. I figured you have these same sectioned off Adult areas where you live, so's be able to judge by that if the film considered mainstream or not? |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| http://us.imdb.com/Title?0113757 |
| Monday March 17 17:54:01 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| >
> > This is available on a mainstream shelf in main area > here, so figured it okay for the DB. Both Raped By An Angel and A Chinese Torture Chamber Story are Cat III movies. Thats about equal to an R rateing here. Neither is a porn movie. |
| Mark C |
| Monday March 17 19:15:17 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
| > I figured you have these same sectioned off Adult areas
> where you live, so's be able to judge by that if the film considered mainstream or not? Maybe, I do not know. I very seldom rent video films (must be more than 2 years since last time) but as far as I can see when I enter a shop-to buy other things!!-, the Porn section is not divided from other films in most Danish shops. They are just on the top 2 or 3 shelves, with all the family films below. Anyway this rating system (Hong Kong 3 or CAT 3) I still have a little difficulty understanding. Maybe it will come. I understand the IMDB criteria would not work. Jay I hope you do not feel offended, or feel I put too much pressure on you. I know you put a lot of effort into answering my questions. I really appreciate that. I will propably still be in doubt concerning future mainstream / bondage entries but that will not kill any of us! Regards Per |
| Per |
| Monday March 17 20:42:07 2003 Re: Per's Posts- Anything Goes Page Posts |
| For Reference; Went through the Anything Goes Page, just so's I could reference some Rated Adult Chinese porn that I decided not to enter, and where different to Rated CAT-III. From June 11 2001 "Starts off with two Lady Police Officers chasing a suspect. They lose him and return home and bed one another. Next day, they catch up with him again. The suspected felon confronts one of the Officers, who is orally pleasured then bound hands behind nude. Then, second Officer enters and interrupts. She observes the situation, and sits down on a chair to watch and masturbate. Being dutiful to her Officer position and uniform, she slowly disrobes. However, soon our felon is orally pleasuring her as well. Then, the villian turns out to be a real glutton. Second Officer phones the Police Station for him, so that a third Officer comes over. Of course, within seconds, she is also being orally pleasured." From July 22 2001 "the one where the army fellas tie the lady to a chair and fondle/vibrator massage. But, I sent pictures of that one to some collectors, so those 'head shots' should still be available. Any advice on how to save them so they come out nice and clear? Thanx" Okay, recall these Chinese films as borrowed a digital camera to make caps. Frank J had them posted for awhile on his attic site, Not sure if still available? Didn't enter them into the DB as had to go into the Rated Adult section to rent them. These films are more sexual than CAT-III films. With more close-ups of nude individuals and their private parts and performing sexual acts. Where rated CAT-III Naked Killer was available with the rest of the mainstream films here, so figured it mainstream enough for the DB. Hope this alittle more descriptive than my previous posts on this matter? |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
| Monday March 17 21:36:24 2003 Re: Per's Question? |
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> Are there commercial porn movies in IMDB? If not we could > use that: Movies allowed to enter IMDB are also allowed > to enter Brian's DB. Would be a fairly rigid criteria, > easy to work with. Or not? Commercial porn movies, regardless of their IMDB status, are not appropriate for the database. |
| Brian R |
| Monday March 17 21:57:37 2003 Re: Per's Post |
| "the Porn section is not divided from other films in most Danish shops. They are just on the top 2 or 3 shelves, with all the family films below." Anyway this rating system (Hong Kong 3 or CAT 3) I still have a little difficulty understanding." Right, from Denmark, should make this easier to explain here: From Danish Film Classification: 15-Approval of the film for admittance of children from the age of 15 "Young people and adults aged over 15 are expected to possess an understanding of genre and to be able to deal with frightening films. Films containing a lot of violence or violence described in detail or violence, which is glorified or legitimated are placed in this category along with other strong films such as pornography. Whether a film is placed in the category of 15 or 11 depends on how realistically the violent scenes are described. If the violent scenes are taking place in a make-believe world the film might be placed in the category of 11 years instead of 15" Hong Kong Category III, aka CAT-III rating would be the same as the above Danish rating. It differentiates between Chinese general audience films, same as Danish Age 15 differentiates from Danish A ratings, or general audience. |
| Jay L |
| kdnpr@yahoo.com |
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