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Saturday August 27 01:58:47 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
An OTN, are they serious lol?!? Hope it morphs into a nice tight OTM at least if it isn't turned into a cleave. Deidre wears a cleave really well. At least she did 35 years ago when John Black took her for a bondage camping trip. Ahh, DOOL Memories(sigh....)
Saturday August 27 05:55:45 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
I’m a bit curious tho, there are multiple ladies that already have 2 scenes or more in this soap opera but Arianne Zucker’s character only got it once and it was 18 years ago. Is the chance really that low for her character to get kidnapped or something? I’m not really following the story of this show so yeah…
gigglegagger
Saturday August 27 08:17:46 2022
Ball Gags in Soap Operas?
I was thinking that soap operas have so many scenes with different gags, usually cleave gags or tape gags, but anyone has any scene in mind where a damsel from a soap opera got gagged with a ball gag?
Saturday August 27 08:32:57 2022
Sympathetic captors
Hi, first message (I've been lurking for a while - thank you for all the contributors here and on the video page).

Simone Kessel is chained in the hold of a ship in "Return to treasure island"(1996 version). It's an example of a scene where both the hostage-taker/abductor and the kidnapped women are supposed to be sympathetic. In this case, the guy presented as the hero of the piece is actually friendly to the woman for most of the movie but here he has been angered by a misguided betrayal. Later, they make up again.

There is a similar situation in the French movie "Cartouche, le brigand magnifique". Here, the hero of the movie is a bandit/revolutionary who is fighting oppressive nobles and kidnapping a high ranking noblewomen. The kidnapping is certainly not consensual/faked, but later in the movie she turns to his point of view and helps him.

Another example can be found in the Sandokan The Great movie from 1963. In this case, the hero of the movie is a Malaysian bandit/freedom fighter/revolutionary who fights the Britisch governor, and he is abducting the latter's niece (she is bound because she actually stabs one of his men while resisting) to use as a hostage. Later on, she is completely on his side.


So, do you know of other examples in a similar vein? I mean situations where the following is true:

-the captors are sympathetic/have generally good intentions/are presented as good guys (though mafia types may also be presented as protagonists in a mafia series, I would consider them bad guys in this context; the movie/serie has to present them as being in the right)

-the captured damsel(s) are themselves not clear villains; they are either innocent villains or if associated with villains (by blood bands, for example), not presented in a negative way by the movie/series.

-the captors don't mistreat the captive(s) beyond what is necessary to keep them hostage

-the captors have a more or less defensible reason for the kidnapping

Any other scenes outside the ones I've named?

Maybe "the big hit" is a borderline example, where the kidnapper is himself blackmailed to kidnap the girl, on the other hand a movie like "Tie me up, tie me down" doesn't qualify for me because this is closer to such typical soap scenarions where a lunatic kidnaps a women with the idea to marry her, only it works in this case.
B52
Saturday August 27 09:29:36 2022
Re: Sympathetic captors and sympathetic damsels
> other examples in a similar vein? I mean situations where the following is true
-the captors are sympathetic/have generally good intentions/are presented as good guys
~~~~
A common movies/TV scenario would be protagonist(s) on the run take an innocent hostage or break into her home:

Faye Dunaway in "Three Days of the Condor" (1975).
Blythe Danner in "Sidekicks" (1974).
Diane Keaton in "Sleeper" (1973).
Mary-Louise Parker in "Red" (2010).

Protagonist doesn't believe damsel's story:
Amanda Ooms in Young Indiana Jones ("Barcelona, May 1917").

Protagonists kidnap villain's moll, because other legal options aren't available:
Ursula Andress in "Red Sun" (1971).
J.T.
Saturday August 27 09:59:49 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
On August 27 2022 gigglegagger wrote:

> I’m a bit curious tho, there are multiple ladies that
> already have 2 scenes or more in this soap opera but
> Arianne Zucker’s character only got it once and it was 18
> years ago.

Like someone said on another topic regarding gags, it's like a spin of the slot machine, where it lands nobody knows.

This is two gag scenes for Lauren Koslow in the past year, and Marlena has been tied up a few times lately as well.

Regardless, this has to be the oldest trio of gagged females in history. Evans is 61, Koslow 69 and Hall 74.
Saturday August 27 10:07:49 2022
Taissa Farmiga 50 states of straigh
Another scene for this beautiful girl who is possibly one of the handgag queens on the screen.

She has an handgag on the last minutes of episode 2x03. Its not a great scene but its decent and is Taissa i fall in love of her :D
Phillp
Saturday August 27 10:20:36 2022
Re: Sympathetic captors and sympathetic damsels
Probably a few soap opera scenes. such as with Peyton List
Saturday August 27 10:31:11 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
On August 27 2022 (unsigned poster) wrote:

> An OTN, are they serious lol?!?

Lol thought the same thing! The coloring in that screenshot is kinda weird, maybe it's a dream/fantasy sequence? It's especially weird since she's right next to a tight cleave. Doesn't make much sense at all

Killer Bee
Saturday August 27 11:37:55 2022
Dead for a Dollar (2022) - Rachel Brosnahan
The premise of this upcoming western also staring Rachel Brosnahan gives hope before taking it away later.

"In 1897, bounty hunter Max Borlund is hired to find Rachel Price, who is allegedly being held for ransom in Mexico by Elijah Jones, an African American army deserter. During his search, Max discovers that Rachel willingly fled from an abusive husband to live with Elijah. He is also forced to confront his sworn enemy Joe Cribbens, a professional gambler and outlaw who he had sent to prison years before"

Movie out on 09/30. Will also premiere in Venice in a few weeks. Something to keep an eye out for.
Saturday August 27 12:17:50 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
On August 27 2022 (unsigned poster) wrote:

> Regardless, this has to be the oldest trio of gagged
> females in history. Evans is 61, Koslow 69 and Hall 74.

Yes you are probably correct....although fortunately all three are still fairly hot and have aged extremely well!

regarding Marlena's extremely lame OTN gag, this may be just wishful thinking but in the alternate shot that was posted afterward, it's an overhead-type shot and it looks like it was taken after the ladies have been ungagged. It looks like all three have some sort of dark cloth hanging around their necks, including Deidre Hall (if I am seeing correctly!).

So it may be she WAS gagged with a "regular" & more realistic gag and for some reason a wide OTN gag was put on, maybe over it or after the ungagging. It definitely looks like the cloth used to gag her is part of Marlena's plaid outfit and it seems odd that Orpheus would use Marlena's belt, scarf, etc. as a gag but a black cloth for the other 2 ladies.
Oh well...I guess we will find out soon!
JP
Saturday August 27 13:06:09 2022
Re: Taissa Farmiga 50 states of straigh
On August 27 2022 Phillp wrote:

Damn right she's a hand gag queen, what does this make it now- six scenes? Two in American Horror Story, The Nun, In A Valley of Violence, We Have Always Lived In The Castle and this?

The one in We Have Always... was so unexpected (there's nothing like that in the source material), you'd almost think she's asking for them to be written in at this point!

Rock Lobster
Saturday August 27 13:36:09 2022
Re: Days of Our Lives
On August 27 2022 (unsigned poster) wrote:

> An OTN, are they serious lol?!?

Lol thought the same thing! The coloring in that screenshot is kinda weird, maybe it's a dream/fantasy sequence? It's especially weird since she's right next to a tight cleave. Doesn't make much sense at all

Killer Bee
Saturday August 27 14:51:06 2022
Re: Taissa Farmiga 50 states of straigh

> The one in We Have Always... was so unexpected (there's
> nothing like that in the source material), you'd almost
> think she's asking for them to be written in at this point!

Maybe in the new serie the goldid age there is something, i don´t kwnow, i haven´t seen
Saturday August 27 16:03:49 2022
Re: Dead for a Dollar (2022) - Rachel Brosnahan
On August 27 2022 (unsigned poster) wrote:

> "In 1897, bounty hunter Max Borlund is hired to find
> Rachel Price, who is allegedly being held for ransom in
> Mexico by Elijah Jones, an African American army
> deserter.

A Rachel Brosnahan scene in a Western has the potential to be an all timer if it pans out. Seems very less likely given the full premise.
Saturday August 27 16:33:42 2022
Re: Sympathetic captors and sympathetic damsels
On August 27 2022 J.T. wrote:


> Faye Dunaway in "Three Days of the Condor"
> (1975).
> Blythe Danner in "Sidekicks" (1974).
> Diane Keaton in "Sleeper" (1973).
> Mary-Louise Parker in "Red" (2010).
> Protagonist doesn't believe damsel's story:
> Amanda Ooms in Young Indiana Jones ("Barcelona, May
> 1917").

Thanks for the suggestions.

Also thanks to the person who suggested Peyton List, I guess her scene in "As the word turns" from 2014.
B52
Saturday August 27 18:35:48 2022
Re: Dead for a Dollar (2022) - Rachel Brosnahan
Looks like an epic Western, plotline very reminiscent of 1966's The Professionals. Directed by Walter Hill no less! If Rachel's initial kidnapping is staged by her lover then the best we can hope for is a scene where the bounty hunters grab her back, or she gets captured by a rival gang. Really looking forward to this, and any f/t scene for Rachel will just be a welcome bonus.
Saturday August 27 18:50:28 2022
Re: Dead for a Dollar (2022) - Rachel Brosnahan
"Set in 1897"...my favorite era for Western films is the very late 19th to very early 20th centuries(think The Wild Bunch, The Last Hard Men etc). Gives you a nice mix of classic Western sixguns and early model self-loaders. Great cast too. Hope Rachel can get something somewhere along the line, will make this film absolutely perfect!
Anon
Saturday August 27 21:13:24 2022
Re: Avery Konrad in FROM Ep 6 season 1
On August 21 2022 baltiman wrote:

> Two brief scenes within the first 15-20 mins of this cute
> actress cleave gagged and tied to a chair in this new
> horror/fantasy show.

Was there a capture sequence in the previous ep? Skimmed thru but can't find any.
Sam

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