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| Wednesday November 17 00:25:23 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> How do you view it now? Is commerical product verboten > in all circumstances ... Up to Brian Asking my view? As related previous, I choose not to enter myself now, nor even mention some of the recent ones. Reasons being, Brian realised I not from United States, and did the models & myself a favour by allowing for me to relate the earlier SexTV & Sockpuppet show episodes. Till I found David Knight and Bindher whom did know how to relay them. Problem developed, where saw fellas from United States whom knew models and producers, and had the re-direct already set up on Anything Goes page, continue to post off-topic on Discussion Page. (Millionare show, or what have you?) Figured fairest solution to assist Brian, with Anything Goes redirect gone, was to no longer mention on this site. But again, this *the boy here* only Someone else enters, Brian okay with, then I okay with. |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday November 17 01:27:56 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> How do you view it now? Is commerical product verboten > in all circumstances ... or is there a transmutation > effected if it appears in a mainstream context? I've been thinking it over, and reading everyone's input. My feeling is that we've not been including such things in the database, so keep that going. So this, or the Sara Kozer: 1. Ok on Alerts. 2. Limited on Discussion. 3. Not for the database. Sound ok? |
| Brian R |
| Wednesday November 17 03:55:16 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Brian R wrote:
> Sound ok? Yes |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday November 17 11:46:58 2004 Re: Losing My Defence Partner |
| In general bit of advice here: When a fellow Brians poster is moving and says he's coming over with boxes of tapes, he's coming over with boxes of tapes...Prepare the wives about tapes being"all over the friggin place" ;) In reviewing tapes, and entries under review, first of many: Record number: 4700 Title: P.S. I Luv U Medium: TV Series Actress: Jayne Frazer Description: Episode: Unknown series regular Jojo (Frazer) is captured by a character played by Dee Wallace Stone, has her wrists and ankles bound and is taped gagged. Later, when the tape gag is removed, we see that she had a cotton wad packing stuffed in her mouth. This sounds exact to the 2 hour TV Movie Zinger provided. [1230} Also, she stuffed cotton into the mouth before the 2nd gagging. |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday November 17 12:02:09 2004 Re: Losing My Defence Partner |
| > Record number: 4700
> Title: P.S. I Luv U > Medium: TV Series > Actress: Jayne Frazer > This sounds exact to the 2 hour TV Movie Zinger provided. > [1230} That's the one but keep in mind that it's Rebecca Staab and not Jayne as the DinD |
| Wednesday November 17 12:04:47 2004 Addendum |
| Record number: 4471
Title: Mancuso, FBI Medium: TV Series Actress: Shohreh Aghdashloo, Lindsay Frost Description: Episode: Unknown Aghdashloo plays a Middle Eastern freedom fighter who is captured by her country's secret police, tied to a chair and forced to submit to a rough brand of questioning. Later series co-star Kristen (Frost) is captured by the same pack of thugs, tied to a chair and loosely detective gagged with a white cloth. She manages to escape by indicating she needs to go the bathroom and then slips out a convenient window. ___________________________________________ Lindsay Frost DOES NOT slip out the window. She looks out the bathroom window but finds she can't escape. She's retied and gagged. A bit later, one of the terrorists unties her and lets her go. |
| Wednesday November 17 14:24:01 2004 [5471] Touching Evil II (1998) |
| Later on in the same episode Nicola Walker as D.I. Susan Taylor is abducted by the killer.
Initially with a sack over her head, she is seen secured to a post in some sort of shed or outhouse.Alas she is not gagged. The scene is , as I recall, prolonged and reasonably, if atmospherically, lit. |
| Kenny |
| kenneth962@hotmail.com |
| Wednesday November 17 15:09:12 2004 Re: [5471] Touching Evil II (1998) |
| Kenny wrote:
> Later on in the same episode Nicola Walker Got it thanx for the assist |
| Jay L |
| Wednesday November 17 16:01:55 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Jay L wrote:
> The crew have filmed shoots in the United States. > The models and the say the fellas like "the > Major" commented on it. Show host Cynthia was almost > in there. Fella from California fancied her. > Another time a lady explained it as a tradition in > Japan. > Rest is all filming the filming. > > Similar to show you relating about? > The Sara Kozer material in the VH-1 program consisted of quick shots of her taken from commercial vids. I'm really ruminating more than advocating here ... but a case can be made that footage shot of the shoot, as it were, for the mainstream program should be treated as mainstream material. Beyond that, it can be argued that the Kozer-type stuff can be viewed similarly ... as the context of the imagery has changed by dint of its being in a mainstream program. One might go further, and say that a commerical vid shown in its entirety on leased or cable access has morphed into mainstream material. I think there's logic to all of the above ... but perhaps it's akin to that six degrees of separation thingie. You end up far afield of the original intent of the DB. Is that your thinking, Brian ... that it's the message rather than the medium? That simply because a commercial product appears in a mainstream context, that doesn't change its character? I guess it comes down to the nature of the DB. It is there to record every possible instance of bondage appearing in mainstream media ... or only those created specifically for mainstream consumption? If the latter, how do we view real-life protesters, arrestees, prisoners, etc.? Just tossing out some food for thought. |
| Biff |
| Wednesday November 17 20:56:44 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> Is that your thinking, Brian ... that it's the message > rather than the medium? That simply because a commercial > product appears in a mainstream context, that doesn't > change its character? That's correct. It's been this way for a long time. I relaxed the rule somewhat for Discussion, but not that much. > I guess it comes down to the nature of the DB. It is > there to record every possible instance of bondage > appearing in mainstream media No. > ... or only those created > specifically for mainstream consumption? Yes. > If the latter, how do we view real-life protesters, > arrestees, prisoners, etc.? Not appropriate. Hasn't been for quite some time. |
| Brian R |
| Wednesday November 17 21:13:47 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Brian R wrote:
> Biff wrote: > > > If the latter, how do we view real-life protesters, > > > arrestees, prisoners, etc.? > > Not appropriate. Hasn't been for quite some time. > I thought there might have been some entries for these. I'd agree regarding the last two categories ... due to the involuntary nature of their restraint and the circumstances surrounding it. But how does a protester, whose bondage (usually only being gagged) is self-induced, differ in essence (for our purposes) from something like that JAKE AND ALLIE dealie from a while back ... with her applying various gags to herself? I'm not really advocating for inclusion here ... call it an exercise in logic. |
| Biff |
| Wednesday November 17 21:19:36 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> But how does a protester, whose bondage (usually only > being gagged) is self-induced, differ in essence (for our > purposes) from something like that JAKE AND ALLIE dealie > from a while back ... with her applying various gags to > herself? > Let me possibly answer my own question ... is it a lack of an entertainment and/or artistic element? |
| Biff |
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