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| Tuesday November 16 00:38:15 2004 [10859] Alias |
| Wording change, I've submitted this before but it never got updated. (A couple entries were merged, the merger got them a bit confused, this clarifies it)
At about 11", Irina Derevko (Lena Olin) is locked into a round plastic container on the back of a beat up old truck. She is wearing indian clothing, jewelery and a red choker. 29 minutes into the episode, Sydney Bristow (Garner) is locked into a cage. She has her wrists handcuffed in front and is also wearing leg irons. From her cell, she watches the bad guys "talking" to her father in another cell down the hall. There are some shots of her looking through the bars and a glance at her cuffed wrists and ankles. Wearing fatigues. 39 minutes into the episode, Irina, now in prison clothes, is led back into her cell. Wrists are handcuffed behind her. The handcuffs are removed and she is locked into the cell. |
| AsbestosFilter |
| AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
| Tuesday November 16 00:40:12 2004 Re: [10859] Alias |
| Just to clarify, delete the existing text, replace with this in its entirety. Kill the grain bin reference if that is desired. |
| AsbestosFilter |
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| Tuesday November 16 00:54:48 2004 Re: Biff's Post |
| Jay L wrote:
> As recall, > CITY channel's SexTV show had eps that featured David > Knight's models. (Paige & somebody?). Close to > off-side for Mainstream. > Well, if what was shown were clips of commercial vids, that would be the same as the Kozer VH-1 situation. If they're being filmed by the SEXTV crew, I'd say that's fine ... and as I stated earlier, I don't know that the clips should be barred as a case can be made that their context has changed. > The fella whom posted the Park Rangers serial people > sqwacking about, related his intent was Mainstream > distribution. > I guess we need to define that term ... and if his stuff doesn't meet the criteria, hold off on adding it until it does. I don't think distributing solely via video sales qualifies. |
| Biff |
| Tuesday November 16 01:06:25 2004 Re: Biff's Post |
| Jay L wrote:
> Started re-directing to Trading Page for some recent Cage > Fan alerts. Perhaps continue this? Ok, I'm not going to go further on this matter after this message as to not upset the mod further (appologies) but since I never explained my reasoning, here goes. This database (and site) simply kicks ass. 11,000 entries - that's quite an achievement, especially in a group with such limited numbers as this. I don't think you would have any trouble arguing that brianspage is THE source for any did scenes, and is THE page to hear about alerts, etc. We certainly don't search anywhere else to find out whether x show had a scene or not. Do I really care about cage scenes? Not as much as seeing Jennifer Garner ball gagged and cuffed, but I'm guessing that someone, somewhere out there, does care. We have folks who like their damsels wearing tape gags, ball gags, bit gags, cleave gags, no gags, dental gags, blindfolds, no blindfolds, shoes, no shoes, handcuffs, chains, ropes, medical restraints, prison jumpsuits, schoolgirl skirts, nothing, knocked out / chloroformed, escaping / feisty / cowering in fear / spitting their drinks into the bad guy's face, et al. Heck, we even have people who love handgags (something that is confusing as hell to me) What it comes down to is this - If I see a scene with any of the above, even if I don't particularly care about the content - Do I cap them? Yeah, I do. Disk space is cheap. Besides, the more rare stuff is good trading material ;) Do I add an entry to the db if I see an episode with one? Certainly. It takes maybe 30 seconds. Why not. Our memories tend to suck after x years, it would be a shame to forget scenes because of lost brain cells. Do I add detail that is a bit more in depth than I particually care about? Of course. I realize that someone, somewhere out there is interested, and while I'm doing x, I might as well spend another couple of seconds adding detail that someone really cares about. It helps the db and makes it a wee bit more valuable to a slightly larger audience. This is Brian's page, so I'm going to not going to push cage / prison cell entries if you don't want me to, but it would be a shame for such a valuable resource to be missing on a good sized segment of the scenes out there. If you searched google for "pets" and found out that you had to search using yahoo to get any results about pet fish, you would think that is a bit weird. /Going to shut up now. //Sorry for dragging it out. ///I'm assuming that "cuffed, led to cell, locked in cell, uncuffed" is still ok ////And last but not least, thanks Jay. |
| AsbestosFilter |
| AsbestosFilter@yahoo.com |
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| Tuesday November 16 01:39:22 2004 Re: Biff's Post |
| Jay L wrote:
> Well, good question now that Anything Goes Page gone to > re-direct. And it's important to remember that I relaxed certain rules following the demise of AG. Basically, some concensual "news" items became on-topic. It's also to remember that the DB is not necessarily the same as Discussion. That's kind of what I want to hash out here. > As recall, > CITY channel's SexTV show had eps that featured David > Knight's models. (Paige & somebody?). Close to > off-side for Mainstream. This would probably be on-topic to a limited extent on Discussion. Limited to the what appeared and what the general treatment of the material was, but not as an opening to discuss the commercial stuff in any detail. > The fella whom posted the Park Rangers serial people > sqwacking about, related his intent was Mainstream > distribution. The problem there was that in spite of his desires for that to be a mainstream production, it didn't seem to happen. > Started re-directing to Trading Page for some recent Cage > Fan alerts. Perhaps continue this? Well, I don't want to use forums for other than their intended purpose. If people are looking for scenes, then fine, but it's not for discussion of them. Sometimes there is no place to redirect things, they're just off-topic and people need to find other sites. |
| Brian R |
| Tuesday November 16 01:49:33 2004 Re: Biff's Post |
| Subtle. |
| AsbestosFilter |
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| Tuesday November 16 03:20:02 2004 Re: [10859] Alias |
| AsbestosFilter wrote:
> entries were merged, the merger > got them a bit confused, Yep, recall merging those. Fixed now Thanx for assist |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday November 16 03:46:44 2004 Re: Brian's Post |
| "the DB is not necessarily
the same as Discussion. That's kind of what I want to
hash out here." "I don't want to use forums for other than their intended purpose. If people are looking for scenes, then fine, but it's not for discussion of them." "Sometimes there is no place to redirect things, they're just off-topic and people need to find other sites." Sure |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday November 16 04:08:03 2004 Re: Biff's Post- Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> I guess we need to define that term ... System using was based on Video stores. Main Room = Mainstream. Back Room (Rated Adult), & not even in the store was out. So say when I went to check the film one of David Knight's models was wearing a ball gag with those fellas riding around on bikes, it was in the backroom (rated Adult), so not in Database, though on shelf. |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday November 16 13:49:59 2004 Re: AsbestosFilter Post |
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"This is Brian's page, so I'm going to not going to push cage / prison cell entries if you don't want me to, but it would be a shame for such a valuable resource to be missing on a good sized segment of the scenes out there." Realise quick replies to Brian & Biff appear caused some confusion here? Cage scenes were discussed before by a fella believe from the UK? So going to relate intent more detailed. Example: The SexTV & Sockpuppet show models It a borderline on-topic issue, but Brian realised that fellas not from the United States (like me), wouldn't know who they are. So he allowed for them to be made aware, "Hey, you're on TV. Would you like it sent down?" etc etc. Worked out great Our friends Bindher & David Knight went to parties with a ton of models. So able just to send to them, they relay it. No more need mention on this site. This same intent for the re-direct to the Cage Fans. They around, so mentioned similar for their group. Then neither they "missing out". Trade page picked so if capper from that group came looking for say that Charlene Choi one? He could get ahold for his group. Future info related to him personal. (Which I'd done if recalled exact fella from UK?) Again, with no hassles on Discussion Page, no more need mention on this site. Figure fair all around "I'm assuming that "cuffed, led to cell, locked in cell, uncuffed" is still ok" Yes. |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday November 16 14:22:46 2004 Re: Biff's Post- Mainstream |
| Jay L wrote:
> Biff wrote: > > > I guess we need to define that term ... > > System using was based on Video stores. Main Room = > Mainstream. > Back Room (Rated Adult), & not even in the store was > out. > Todd's serial isn't "adult" in nature, so in his case it's just a matter of whether it appears in the mainstream section of vid stores ... which hadn't occurred at the time. Now, let's say that, for whatever reason, he shows it on leased or public access cable ... I'd think that would qualify it for inclusion, wouldn't you? But what about a true commercial bondage vid or "adult" vid with bondage airing similarly? So how many angels *do* fit on the head of a pin? > So say > when I went to check the film one of David Knight's > models was wearing a ball gag with those fellas riding > around on bikes, it was in the backroom (rated Adult), so > not in Database, though on shelf. > Well, I'm focusing on bits and pieces of a commerical vid that appear in the context of the larger mainstream program ... not the actual video. Does that change in context alter the nature of the material, such that it's now seen as part of a mainstream production ... and thus eligible for entry into the DB? And what *about* that tree in the forest? |
| Biff |
| Tuesday November 16 15:44:44 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| "Todd's serial isn't "adult" in nature, so in his case it's just a matter of whether it appears in the mainstream section of vid stores ... which hadn't occurred at the time." Yes, that's how recall it. "Now, let's say that, for whatever reason, he shows it on leased or public access cable ... I'd think that would qualify it for inclusion, wouldn't you?" Yes " But what about a true commercial bondage vid or "adult" vid with bondage airing similarly?" Yes, that what happened on CITY channel. "I'm focusing on bits and pieces of a commerical vid that appear in the context of the larger mainstream program ... not the actual video. Does that change in context alter the nature of the material, such that it's now seen as part of a mainstream production ... and thus eligible for entry into the DB?" I see. Good question Chose not to enter it at time. I had other options, and there was some problems developing that I'd wanted to assist Brian with. Brian may now have a different attitude toward it. |
| Jay L |
| Tuesday November 16 20:42:11 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Jay L wrote:
> " But what about a true commercial bondage vid or "adult" > vid with bondage airing similarly?" > Yes, that what happened on CITY channel. > A full commercial vid was shown ... or just clips within a program? > "I'm focusing on bits and pieces of a commerical vid that > appear in the context of the larger mainstream program > ... not the actual video. Does that change in context > alter the nature of the material, such that it's now seen > as part of a mainstream production ... and thus eligible > for entry into the DB?" > I see. Good question > Chose not to enter it at time. > How do you view it now? Is commerical product verboten in all circumstances ... or is there a transmutation effected if it appears in a mainstream context? (Yes, I like to play with my words ... but I always pick them up and put them away afterward.) |
| Biff |
| Tuesday November 16 23:56:52 2004 Re: Biff Post "Mainstream |
| Biff wrote:
> A full commercial vid was shown ... or just clips within > a program? The crew have filmed shoots in the United States. The models and the say the fellas like "the Major" commented on it. Show host Cynthia was almost in there. Fella from California fancied her. Another time a lady explained it as a tradition in Japan. Rest is all filming the filming. Similar to show you relating about? |
| Jay L |
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