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Tuesday March 30 01:03:49 2004
Re: Brian's Post- Per- Anything Goes Page
Jay wrote:

> Spellbinder series was described as a 26 chapter Serial,
> translated here as Les Maitres Des Sortileges here.

Not according to the IMDB, which lists it as a TV series.

Movie serials were shot all at once, then divided up
into short sections for theatrical play.

> Remember it,
> as later Purple Monster one aired.

Did Purple Monster air in segments on TV?

Brian R
Tuesday March 30 01:06:45 2004
Re: 24 [10154]
Per wrote:

> Change: To: Her hands are tied behind

Got it, thanx
Jay
Tuesday March 30 01:26:54 2004
Re: Brian's Post- Per- Anything Goes Page
Spellbinder Serial
"Not according to the IMDB, which lists it as a TV series."


Okay

"Did Purple Monster air in segments on TV?"

Yes,
believe it was 6am weekends or something.

Recall it, the scene in a house where the Martian rigged TNT was popular with the collectors. Why thinking split it.
Jay
Tuesday March 30 10:46:53 2004
Re: Per- Anything Goes Page
Jay wrote:


> Where probably losing you is the VCR Alerts part.
> As don't see any Danish alerts.

True, I've only visited that page once. Seemed it was all North American alerts, those are not interesting for me since I can' receive it. Also, I haven't gotten into making Danish alerts, since I am not aware of other Danes using Brian's page.

> So with serials like Spellbinder & Atomman, where one
> scene might run through 2 chapters, but gag in only one,
> splitting Serials makes it easier to post for the speific
> one of interest.

That should speak in favor of splits, if I understand correctly. Remember our little discussion about the "Tribe" scene that also ran over some 4-5 episodes?
I think that is a serial too, much like Spellbinder.

Language thing: To be honest, I wasn't really aware of the difference between "serials" and "series".

As I understand now, a series (She Spies for example) consists like a long row of eps with the same basic setting, but each with it's own finished plot, and sometimes with different script writers, guest stars etc, whereas a serial more has one prolonged (or several parrallel) storyline, not unlike soap operas. Do I get it? If so, "The Tribe" too is a serial.

Per
Tuesday March 30 10:54:04 2004
Re: Per- Anything Goes Page
How about "Alias" with it's cliffhanger ep endings?
A serial then, right?
The eps (ehh should I say chapters? are split here too.
Per
Tuesday March 30 11:25:20 2004
Re: Per- Anything Goes Page
Per wrote:

> Language thing: To be honest

Understood,
this why posted as detailed as I could.

I find those Australian shows more like the 40's Cliffhanger serials, than a TV show too.
But what Brian saying,
IMDB has it listed as TV Series, so set up like that.
Jay
Tuesday March 30 12:12:22 2004
Re: Per- Anything Goes Page
"don't see any Danish alerts."

"True, I've only visited that page once. Seemed it was all North American alerts, those are not interesting for me since I can' receive it. Also, I haven't gotten into making Danish alerts, since I am not aware of other Danes using Brian's page."


Yes, this the current tone on Discussion Page now,
why stopped splitting the Serials.

Back when the page started up,
you'd post your Danish alerts, then you'd get emails from the interested fellas in US asking you for it.
Then you'd go through the US ones, for them to send to you in return.
So same with Canadian Alerts, I still send most of tapes to the US.

With many Collectors, they particular about what scenes they want.
Normally entered gagged in the search, printed off all the entries, then asked for them.
Offhand one recall,
the Federal Operator serial. When it airing, there a popular scene in a barn, but a less popular scene in an airplane factory. Had to do with gags.
So, that airing in Denmark, and you trading, it handier to have the barn-gag scene separate.
Know which particular chapter to tape on which particular Sat mornings.

But as mentioned, with complaints to Brian about Foreign Alerts, then you'd likely be copying the chapter into one post. This why I didn't bother to split them anymore.

"That should speak in favor of splits, if I understand correctly. Remember our little discussion about the "Tribe" scene that also ran over some 4-5 episodes? I think that is a serial too, much like Spellbinder."

Yes, believe Tribe another Australian one.
I feel those Australian ones run just like the 40's Cliffhangers too.
But what Brian is saying, if listed as TV Series in IMDB,
then fellas will be searching for it as TV Series. So should be marked as such.

"I wasn't really aware of the difference between "serials" and "series".
As I understand now, a series (She Spies for example) consists like a long row of eps with the same basic setting, but each with it's own finished plot, and sometimes with different script writers, guest stars etc, whereas a serial more has one prolonged (or several parrallel) storyline, not unlike soap operas. Do I get it?"


That how I see it as well.
But we've been using IMDB for assist with the Search Feature for awhile now.

One of these that a bugger either way.
Jay
Tuesday March 30 12:31:25 2004
Re: Splitting Movie Serials
"Offhand one recall, the Federal Operator serial. When it airing, there a popular scene in a barn, but a less popular scene in an airplane factory. Had to do with gags."

Okay, meant Federal Operator 99:

Record number: 1610

Title: Federal Operator 99 (1945)
Medium: Movie Serial
Actress: Helen Talbot, Elaine Lange

Description: Episode 1: Hero is marched at gunpoint towards a closet. He opens the door and sees Joyce (Talbot) inside, her wrists tied, arms spread, to coat-hooks. Ankles tied together and a broad white detective gag over her mouth (short scene). Later in the same episode the Countess (Lange) is tied loosely to a overstuffed chair, hands at her sides. She is tortured (off camera) with a cigarette lighter to reveal the whereabouts of her safe deposit box. Later in the episode, the hero rescues her after obligatory gunplay and fisticuffs.

Episode 4/5: Joyce is strung up by her wrists together above her head (ankles also tied) and threatened with dismemberment via airplane propellor. She pretends to give in and gives the bad guys false information. The bad guys soon realize she fooled them and string her up again to force her to comply. The hero arrives and saves her.

Episode 6: The bad guys get the drop on Joyce and chair-tie her, with a thick detective gag. On screen tying of her hands behind her back, wound down around her arms, legs and ankles. Bomb set to go off, when door opened. Short scene.

Episode 9: Bad guys grab Joyce, bind her wrists behind her, detective gag her with a towel and stuff her in a laundry basket. She manages to free herself fairly quickly. Medium length scene.

Episode 12: Joyce is kidnapped, bound wrists in front, rope around arms too, and detective gagged with a white cloth so they can exchange her for one of the villian's henchmen.
(Short scene).

Helen is wearing a skirt and heels, in every scene. Elaine is wearing a dress and heels.

______________

Highlighted chapters the popular:

One question?

Record number: 476

Title: Purple Monster Strikes (1945)
Medium: Movie Serial
Actress: Linda Stirling

Description: Chapter 7/8: The Martian Gangster (Roy Barcroft) and his goons (Fred Graham, et al) have loaded a room with TNT, and rigged an 'electric eye', which will set it off upon the hero's entry.

Linda is bound tightly to a chair in the room. Tied hands behind, rope around her chest to chair, and ankles tied together, and to chair. She is gagged over the mouth, detective style, with a white cloth. Onscreen tying, and lots of struggling. She's wearing a (IMHO) unflattering dress and heels.

_______________

Recall this the popular one,
but wasn't there other scenes in this?
Jay
Tuesday March 30 14:42:22 2004
Re: Per- Anything Goes Page
Jay wrote:

> Back when the page started up,
> you'd post your Danish alerts, then you'd get emails from
> the interested fellas in US asking you for it.
> Then you'd go through the US ones, for them to send to
> you in return.

Jay, first thank you for your answers and thorough explanations. I am really learning today.

I had no idea the alerts page was supposed to function like that! I thought more like "ROB's VCR alerts" that I use once in a while. (Since I got cable I can get 3 German stations for example, and I'm not that good to decipher the German program guides) The guys there just tell when and where to expect a scene, and those interested who gets the station can tape it themselves.

I am afraid there would be some practical problems if I were to bring Danish alerts on Brian's. (Apart from the fact that 90% of the scenes shown in DK are from US or UK that most Brian's pagers got already). I got one good ol' VCR, and as you know, in Europe the VCR system is PAL, in America something incompatible.
So I couldn't just send a tape. I don't have what it takes to digitalize my tapes either.

(So far, my only attempt to trade: This guy from Arkansas and I agreed that I sent him a CD with German hi-quality MPEG scenes that I got from HtF, Ärtzin in Angst among others, and he would send me a VCR with an episode of a British scene. (I can't remember the name right now, was about a babysitter held captive and tied up for days, someone had called it the best scene from the 90ties in discussion) When I realized the video format difference I called the deal off, but I sent him the CD as a gift. So much for trading!)

> Yes, believe Tribe another Australian one.

New Zealand. Same thing.

I do not feel that strongly about splitting or not. What's more important is to get as many scenes into the DB as possible IMO. More than a year after they were first aired in America, I have found scenes missing from the DB from high-yelding series like She Spies and Charmed. (I put them in).
Per
Tuesday March 30 18:09:09 2004
Lois & Clark
Present entry:

Record number: 3086
Title: Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman (1993)
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Teri Hatcher, Ilana Levine, unknown
Description: Episode: "When Irish Eyes are Killing" (3.4)
Teri Hatcher and an unknown actress are lying on their backs and tied in a spreadeagle. Levine has her wrists tied to the arms of a chair. No gags.

I have the scene on tape. The "unknown" actress does not exist.

Suggestions:

Actress: Teri Hatcher, Ilana Levine.

Description: Near the beginning of the episode, Ms Levine's character is tied to a chair, wrists tied to chair arms, during a robbery in a museum. She has to attract attention as Superman seems more concerned with Lois' wellbeing than to untie her.

Later, Lois is tied 4-limb spreadeagled on a table for sacrifice. A struggle takes place between the Irish Druid villain (mastering green rays from his eyes) and Superman (the usual red X-rays).

In the midst of battle, a ray gone astray burns through the ropes holding Lois' feet, enabling her to make the villain trip, and hence lose!

No gags. Lois wears a beige suit , white blouse and heels.
Per
Tuesday March 30 22:36:57 2004
Re: Lois & Clark [3086]
Per wrote:

> Suggestions:

Got it,
thanx for the assist
Jay
Tuesday March 30 23:24:33 2004
Re: Per's Post
"Since I got cable I can get 3 German stations for example, and I'm not that good to decipher the German program guides"

Understood,
have to work with French titles myself. A bugger.
Here's what I do, if you want to try?
Start the tape off at start,
but grab a pad and write as many names down as can.
IMDB has that feature where you can bring up where actress worked with other actress, etc. It'll narrow down the titles to work with.
I've tried to make sure titles are all the same as in IMDB, so you can "copy & paste" to search the DB.

Normally they leave actress name alone in translation, so this system works abit.
And the German shows often have credits up early enough to do this and see if worth to continue taping.

"I got one good ol' VCR, and as you know, in Europe the VCR system is PAL, in America something incompatible. So I couldn't just send a tape."

They'd have to get it transfered.
I've had to do that. Bodyguards- Cindy Crawford movie was a popular one got from Europe.
Jay

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