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| Sunday June 22 01:14:06 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Raffish wrote: Unless Unsigned Poster is prepared to foot > that bill, I must thank him for his concern and respectfully ask him to find a different cause. Forgetting about the legal aspect, does it bother you at all that you are selling someone else's work? You could, of course, rationalize that you are providing certain users with a "service", but you still have to know you are selling something that really isn't yours? If someone was able to download your clips as you put them up, and sell them, I doubt if you would think that was a good idea. |
| Still confused |
| Sunday June 22 02:14:03 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Still confused wrote: > does it bother you at > all that you are selling someone else's work? You > could, of course, rationalize that you are providing > certain users with a "service", but you still > have to know you are selling something that really isn't > yours? If you don't mind me saying? More passaround, than selling. Times I had 20 guys after something. Almost went broke on the beer money with the mailing costs. Raffy was one of the guys that stepped up so nobody got turned away. If he's asking the boys to contribute to the effort, is same as claiming the show his and selling it? I just say this as Brian R is really cool for telling his buds not to worry about the costs, but it does cut into beer money. |
| Jay L |
| Sunday June 22 02:21:57 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Still confused wrote: > Forgetting about the legal aspect, does it bother you at > all that you are selling someone else's work? Well, first of all, I haven't made a penny from my site since I relaunched it. My host and I agreed that we'd keep the membership fees as low as possible to keep the site in the black as opposed to the red. What is left after the ISP charges goes to him, and I've tried to make sure that I'm delivering enough content that this isn't all that much. :) Let's get the profit motive thing out of the way, because it doesn't exist. In fact, Raffish DiDClips 2.0 has cost me thousands of dollars since its launch two years ago. The more interesting question, therefore, is: should I be making someone else's work available for free? My belief is that making short, excerpted DiDclips available -- even for a recent theatrical release -- does nothing to damage the typical production company's bottom line, and in many cases might even increase that bottom line. Granted, I don't have the numbers to prove it, but I'm fairly certain you don't have the numbers to prove the contrary either. > If someone was able to download your clips as you put > them up, and sell them, I doubt if you would think that > was a good idea. You doubt incorrectly. I think it's a fine idea. I've made no secret about this while you were busy being confused. |
| Raffish |
| Sunday June 22 03:33:37 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Raffish wrote: > The more interesting question, therefore, is: should I be > making someone else's work available for free? > > nothing to damage the typical production company's bottom > line, and in many cases might even increase that bottom > line. Granted, I don't have the numbers to prove it I do, take my local sitcom "Il était une fois dans le trouble". The 10 or so Yanks I've passed this to are 10 more than would be interested in Canadian sitcoms down there. I figure the show's owner probably giggling at the free exposure it getting |
| Jay L |
| Sunday June 22 11:11:06 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Jay L wrote: > Raffish wrote: > > The more interesting question, therefore, is: should > I be > > making someone else's work available for free? Wow! This is some debate I stirred up... I was just concerned over the legal repercussions of the whole thing & how the affected webmasters might view this. I remember something similar happening to one of my all time favorite sites, Underground.com, years ago. Some guy was selling his password info to others & once the webmaster caught wind of it, he just decided to shut down his whole operation. I would hate to see that happen to some of my other favorite sites... |
| MagickRat |
| magickrat@live.com |
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/didclips/ |
| Sunday June 22 11:34:45 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Raffish wrote: > Well, first of all, I haven't made a penny from my site > since I relaunched it. <<< The fact that your business isn't making money is in no way connected to the fact that you are stealing the underlying material. A crook doesn't get off because he can't fence the stuff he sold at a profit. > The more interesting question, therefore, is: should I be > making someone else's work available for free?<<< Since the material isn't yours in the first place, that's not a question that makes much sense. Someone else doesn't get to decide what happens to MY property, or how it's used. Is anyone likely to sue you? No. But that doesn't make it right. The first law we should obey is what is moral. I am sure you know that stealing is wrong, right? > My belief is that making short, excerpted DiDclips > available -- even for a recent theatrical release -- does > nothing to damage the typical production company's bottom > line,<<<< But it's still not yours. If someone steals my car, does not damage to it and returns it, they are still stealing it. Again, you are assuming that you can take something that isn't yours simply because you believe it's appropriate. That's the key point. "You" believe. Did you ask for permission from the copyright holders to do what you are doing? Of course you didn't. You just did it anyway. THAT is the problem. and in many cases might even increase that bottom > line. Granted, I don't have the numbers to prove it, but > I'm fairly certain you don't have the numbers to prove > the contrary either. Nor do I need to, because I am not making that argument. I am simply saying you are stealing something that doesn't belong to you, and then selling it. It's sleazy no matter how much you try to rationalize it. |
| As confused as I want to be |
| Sunday June 22 12:37:13 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| MagickRat wrote: > I remember something similar happening to one of > my all time favorite sites, Underground.com, years ago. > Some guy was selling his password info to others & > once the webmaster caught wind of it, he just decided to > shut down his whole operation. No, what happned with the Underground was that they hadn't updated in months, and were still charging peoples credit cards with a million "We'll have new content soon" excuses, until they got so many complaints about it that they had to shut down or issue refunds to all those people, and they opted to shut down rather than be accused of credit card fraud. Then they posted a message on their site about how ingrateful people are for always complaining about the lack of updates, calling them backstabbers and things like that for not "sticking it out" when the site was having problems. That's the truth of the matter, I remember it clearly. |
| Clarifier |
| Sunday June 22 12:59:40 2008 Re: Need 2 sell |
| Clarifier wrote: > That's the truth of the matter, I remember it clearly. For some reason, & don't remember it going down like that. And the attitude really isn't needed either... So the lesson I've learned today is : Don't get involved, even when you think you're doing the right thing... |
| MagickRat |
| magickrat@live.com |
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/didclips/ |
| Sunday June 22 13:08:43 2008 Recent discussion |
| Let's bring this to a close. |
| The Moderator |
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