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Friday June 13 01:57:49 2008
DVR->DVD-R
the fool, Jay L: love ya, though I think you might be overcomplicating things a bit!

Anything any DVR can send to any TV, it can send to any standalone DVD-R recorder as well. Editing on a computer is nice, but it's not necessary.

You've typically got some three-wire cables: yellow=composite video, red/white=left/right audio. In the simplest case, just do this:

DVR -> DVD recorder -> TV

Same as you'd have done VHS -> VHS -> TV in the olden days, basically. Put the recorder on pause-record/pass-through/however-your-model-happens-to-work, get the DVR playback where you want it, and just go from there.

Of course, it gets a bit more complicated if you want to work your A/V receiver into the mix, or use a computer for editing, or work in HD -- but, absolutely, it's doable.
rob-roy's question
Friday June 13 02:45:28 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
rob-roy's question wrote:

> the fool, Jay L: love ya, though I think you might be
> overcomplicating things a bit!
> DVR -> DVD recorder -> TV Same as you'd have done VHS -> VHS -> TV in the olden days, basically.


I was under the impression the free Virtualdub download was used to clean up YOOTOOB videos and would allow for the lower-longer quality setting to be used instead of that 1hr? disk. Get all of that wicked movie that way

Loves you as well btw
Jay L
Friday June 13 02:52:41 2008
Re: DB Scene Times
rob-roy's question wrote:

> the fool, Jay L: love ya, though I think you might be
> overcomplicating things a bit!


Btw,
I haven't pulled out the notes yet on the scene time topic so don't start sqwacking about overcomplicating... that coming.

Actually, blah
"PBS" - "TV Land" - "CBS" - "NBC" - "USA" have some radical time differences.. just looking at it makes me want to call her a night.

Goodnight!
Jay L
Friday June 13 04:26:15 2008
witless protection
does anyone have or know where there are clips from this film please?
graham
Friday June 13 09:17:07 2008
Re: witless protection
graham wrote:

> does anyone have or know where there are clips from this
> film please?

They were up on Blockbuster Did last week but since replaced with this week's clips - guess you've missed
http://www.majorjohns.com/blockbuster.htm

Friday June 13 09:19:03 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Jay L wrote:

> I was under the impression the free Virtualdub download
> was used to clean up YOOTOOB videos and would allow for
> the lower-longer quality setting to be used instead of
> that 1hr? disk. Get all of that wicked movie that way

Think we might be talking apples and oranges here. Wasn't at least one of the original posters asking about how to do this without a computer anywhere near the mix?

Burning a YouTube video onto DVD is an exercise in alchemy, and nothing's really going to turn that lead into gold because the quality's already been lost on YouTube's end...but, sure, there are plenty of software tools that will help you do this if you're desperate.
Raffish
Friday June 13 09:45:24 2008
Re: witless protection
graham wrote:

> does anyone have or know where there are clips from this
> film please?

Planning on making public clips in the next few weeks, if you don't find them before then (it's right behind Funny Games in my Netflix queue).
Raffish
Friday June 13 11:22:31 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> Wasn't at least one of the original posters asking about
> how to do this without a computer anywhere near the mix?


Correct. Jeff and his favoured 40" big screen TV. I know all about that. ;)


***** nothing's really going to turn that lead into gold because the quality's already been lost *****


I see

but for one of the original questions. Could the poster drop that original quality down to grab 2hrs on his DVD instead of his 1hr, and use a Virtualdub download to clean it up?

==

This why originally suggesting using the lead up scene as a guide for going after a 2hr movie with his 1hr setting. "Live recorder" anyway, not an Editor so doesn't need the Titles. So he could sit on the pause button till he recognises the lead up scene from the clip.
Jay L
Friday June 13 11:31:37 2008
Re: witless protection
Raffish wrote:


Thanks for the help everyone think i must have missed them on MJ
Graham
Friday June 13 11:32:46 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Jay L wrote:

> > This why originally suggesting using the lead up scene as
> a guide for going after a 2hr movie with his 1hr setting.
> "Live recorder" anyway,

I use the 2hr (SP mode) instead of HQ. I don't notice much of a loss of quality. My DVD recorder has a setting of FR which will fit whatever schedule you have to fit a 2 hour disc. So if the movie on TCM is 1:30, it will adjust the bitrate to fit the disc.

3hr recordings start to get into the gray area and your going to really see the loss of quality. I use S-video from my sat dish to the DVD recorder and RCA from my VCR. That is probably why I don't see the difference in 1hr and 2hr settings. I would recommend to forego the RF cable since they do cause loss quality.
civil
Friday June 13 11:53:02 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
rob-roy's question wrote:

>
> Same as you'd have done VHS -> VHS -> TV in the
> olden days, basically. Put the recorder on
> pause-record/pass-through/however-your-model-happens-to-wo

That's the way I do it, except I don't have a DVR.

Another options is to buy some DVD-RAM discs for Amazon. They will allow you to edit your recording and crop out what you don't want. Plus they can go from machine to machine without being finalized. Some DVD-RAM discs allow to record start from some of HBO copyprotected airings, since DVR may not let the DVD recorder to dub them.

Yeah, Yeah, I know DVD-RAM have not been well taken by the general public, but beats the DVD-+RW discs. RWs cannot be edited. But with DVD-Rs only costing about 33 cents when bought in bulk and VHSs at about $1 a piece, I tend to record the entire movie on DVD-R when I don't exactly know when the scene airs. But I use 2hr recode mode anyway, but that is what I like and am happy with.
Friday June 13 12:02:51 2008
Re: witless protection
Graham wrote:

Actually, haven't moved them off the server yet, so just copy/paste the following for the next few days and it'll be there:

http://www.majorjohns.com/witless_protection.rm
Stephanie
Friday June 13 12:13:21 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
civil wrote:

> 3hr recordings start to get into the gray area and your
> going to really see the loss of quality. I use S-video
> from my sat dish to the DVD recorder and RCA from my VCR.

Interesting...yeah, I should be using S-video rather than composite from my TiVo to my capture box. My current AV receiver doesn't support S-video switching -- just composite and component -- but it's probably worth working around this with the direct connection while making clips. That or buying a new receiver. :) Thanks for the tip.

I'm still gonna evangelize on the DVR front. Why should you need to accept any loss in quality due to recordings that might be too long, or even to think twice about what setting to use on the DVD recorder for a live or scheduled recording?

Record on a DVR at highest quality. Set it to start three hours early and stop three hours late if you like, because, why not? Edit however you see fit, and burn to DVD at highest quality with either a set-top recorder or computer. Nowhere in this chain will you sacrifice what came off your satellite.
Raffish
Friday June 13 12:21:44 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> civil wrote:
> > 3hr recordings start to get into the gray area and
> your
> > going to really see the loss of quality. I use

Just to add another possibility which is what we use.
All Incoming TV connections go directly into our computer capture card (we don't even own a TV, but watch on the monitor)
Everything's recorded as AVI uncompressed and stored on the hard drive until edited / titled, etc..
Requires a high-end capture card and huge hard-drive space however - a typical raw clip will be 20-50 GB in size, and you have to continually edit/delete the originals to free up space & stay sane.

Stephanie
Friday June 13 12:25:20 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Some DVD-RAM discs allow
> to record start from some of HBO copyprotected airings,
> since DVR may not let the DVD recorder to dub them.

The DVR has nothing to say about it: it simply converts the digital recording to an analog signal, because that's its job even if it only costs $79. The DVD recorder then converts that signal back to digital and burns it.

In SD, in 2008, the quality loss from D->A->D is truly negligible.
Raffish
Friday June 13 12:45:18 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> Think we might be talking apples and oranges here.


Yeah,
you down there amongst the majority and recall were pretty cool in the "olden days". So put it this way:

Being I "out there", with no chance of re-air with the majority collectors, I had to set up loops, or tape multiple times on re-air to pass the favoured "First-Generation in SP mode" tape around. Where you'd take an olden-days copy and never in that discussion.

When went back through the posts, what read was similar. Just change to "Can I get an original in SP mode", same.
They have their reasons. I sympathise

This also where wanting precise scene times was discussed, obviously huh? ;)

I know Jeff, an interesting character.
Recall when the Major came to my place and saw my system, he shaking his head and on about "Got to get (me) on DVD", "Got to get (me) making clips" then everybody get the same First-Gen SP quality in one shot.
Most of the Collectors were pleased with this solution, except Jeff & co. Still wants the tape to watch on favoured home HD-Jumbotrons. I certainly wasn't offering an Editing software solution to him. I don't think I replied to his post over there.
Spoiled bugger, should tell him they don't sell tapes in the store anymore. No more B&G'd Fraus in 40" HD! ;)

==

Anyway, I got involved over there to bring discussion back to suggested solutions. Getting on about, or questioning the accuracy of someone whom taken a shot at it has caused problems in the past. You just know that post which will have the opposite effect of what intended, huh?

Follow now?
If not? I never good in English class so blame the Education system!
Jay L
Friday June 13 12:49:58 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> The DVR has nothing to say about it: it simply converts
> the digital recording to an analog signal, because that's

I was under the impression that DVR stored the DRM of the airing, and that the DVD recorder would recognize that as already having met the one copy requirement of being "copied" on the DVR.
civil
http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdrecorderfaqs/f/dvdrecgfaq4.htm
Friday June 13 13:12:11 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
civil wrote:

> Raffish wrote:
> > The DVR has nothing to say about it: it simply
> converts
> > the digital recording to an analog signal, because
> that's
> I was under the impression that DVR stored the DRM of the
> airing, and that the DVD recorder would recognize that as
> already having met the one copy requirement of being
> "copied" on the DVR.

I'm sure that's true if you're talking about a digital transfer. I've never run into it in the SD realm, because I've always gotten perfectly good results from exploiting the "analog hole." (As it were.) If the DVR can send it to my analog TV at NTSC resolution, it can send it to my capture box.

As far as I know, the only even remotely effective means of preventing analog copies is Macrovision, who may be up to some new tricks. Other than that, I still fail to see the difficulty.

HD = whole 'nother story, obviously.
Raffish
Friday June 13 13:14:33 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> but it's probably worth
> working around this with the direct connection while
> making clips.

Leaning away from daisy-chaining is another option to look at. "Sharing" with too many devices is a sure bet of signal loss.

I would love to have DVR, but don't have the power requrement, and don't like the idea of leaving the quad-core machine on all day for it to be used as a DVR system.

Netflix? I wonder what you use that service for??
civil
Friday June 13 13:22:02 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
civil wrote:

> I would love to have DVR, but don't have the power
> requrement, and don't like the idea of leaving the
> quad-core machine on all day for it to be used as a DVR
> system.

That's why you buy a cheap-ass standalone set-top box. Silly rabbit.

> Netflix? I wonder what you use that service for??

In case you're serious, I like to make clips from DVDs, and Netflix seems like the most economical and convenient way to do it.

(I tried Blockbuster Total Access for a while, but there were issues.)
Raffish
Friday June 13 14:18:37 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> civil wrote:
> > I would love to have DVR, but don't have the power
> > requrement, That's why you buy a cheap-ass standalone set-top box.
> Silly rabbit.

This silly rabbit doesn't want to burn my house down. PC and TV devices are on two seperate circuits. DTV converter and amplified antenae would exceed the power on the TV circuit and adding a DVR would make me have to unplug/plug everything to keep from overloading my circuit.

Might have helped if I had explained power problem earlier, not enougho outlets on that circiut. Plus when I ran my s-video/rca cables to my PC, I have a tendency to trip on the cables and have pulled my sat dish out of the cabinet.

So just bear with me, I tend to lose my train of thought pretty easily.
civil
Friday June 13 14:25:57 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Raffish wrote:

> > > Netflix? I wonder what you use that service for??
> In case you're serious, I like to make clips from DVDs,
> and Netflix seems like the most economical and convenient way to do it.

I was just placing a jab since I knew how most folks use Netfix. Economical?? Every notice that blue screen during DVD playback.
civil
Friday June 13 14:47:42 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
civil wrote:

> This silly rabbit doesn't want to burn my house down. PC
> and TV devices are on two seperate circuits. DTV
> converter and amplified antenae would exceed the power on
> the TV circuit and adding a DVR would make me have to
> unplug/plug everything to keep from overloading my
> circuit.
> Might have helped if I had explained power problem
> earlier, not enougho outlets on that circiut. Plus when I
> ran my s-video/rca cables to my PC, I have a tendency to
> trip on the cables and have pulled my sat dish out of the
> cabinet.
> So just bear with me, I tend to lose my train of thought pretty easily.

This sounds like an inescapable nightmare. All I can suggest at this point is the addition of a backyard fusion reactor, with a third circuit added by a skilled contractor.

> I was just placing a jab since I knew how most folks
> use Netfix. Economical?? Every notice that blue screen
> during DVD playback.

Every once in a while, yep. Then I power-cycle the capture box and it goes away. Same with any other DVD, really.
Raffish
Friday June 13 15:25:34 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Jay L wrote:

>Getting on about, or questioning the accuracy of someone
>whom taken a shot at it has caused problems in the past.
>You just know that post which will have the opposite effect
>of what intended, huh?
>
>Follow now?

Yes, and thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing, in different words.
Raffish
Friday June 13 15:41:47 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
civil wrote:

> I have a tendency to
> trip on the cables and have pulled my sat dish out of the
> cabinet.


Ha! What a maroon!

Oh wait... I do that all the time too. Forget I quoted Bugs Bunny, okay?

Suggest you go to Rona store and get the black wire shelving. Little more expensive than the cheap silver ones from Canadian Tire, but worth it in your wife will figure it "goes" with the room. No sqwacking about it.

I got 2, "L"d them, ran & tie-wrapped the cables in the back to the wall, and am able to run an extension cord in from another outlet. All neat and black wrought-iron is considered "mod".

This has passed the ultimate test. Know when your Mother, or Sisters visit and your wife goes mental wanting everything clean & spotless? Like inspection time? Passed that

Consider it
Jay L
Friday June 13 16:47:22 2008
Re: DVR->DVD-R
Jay L wrote:

> Ha! What a maroon!
> Oh wait... I do that all the time too. Forget I quoted
> Bugs Bunny, okay?
> Suggest you go to Rona store and get the black wire
> shelving. Little more expensive than the cheap silver
> ones from Canadian Tire, but worth it in your wife will
> figure it "goes" with the room.

My girlfriend thinks the wires all the hell over the living room are amusing enough, and has been known to grill me about exactly what each one does.
Raffish

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